Stopping Computer Companies from Lying | Asia's PC Test Equipment Megafactory
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We visited Longwin in Taiwan, home of some of the most advanced testing equipment in computer hardware. This is where everything goes to get tested at some point -- or where the equipment is bought to do the testing, in the case of companies like Cooler Master, NZXT, or Hyte (as a few examples). This company is incredibly efficient, employing just a few engineers to run all the machines, and its primary purpose is education and testing, with profit as a secondary. The founder regularly teaches courses at local Taiwanese colleges regarding thermodynamics, mechanics of flow, and more. The place is an engineer's playground.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Gigantic Testing Lab
01:16 - Altitude Testing, Wind Tunnels
04:48 - Engineer's Playground
09:45 - Lasers
16:35 - Thermal Testing
23:52 - Demonstration of Flow
26:00 - X-Ray Validation
29:20 - The MEGA Chambers
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Hey! We have a lot more factory tours coming up! There are some super cool ones in the works, all the way down to individual components that go into the parts you buy. We're really excited about it! In the meantime, check out our Factory Tour playlist containing dozens of videos spanning years of tours around the world: czcams.com/video/druiwE_GjRI/video.html
Your still in Taiwan? Oh wait. I was thinking of China.
Not bad apart from the microphone scratchiness/ clothing rubbing..... I found the Factory look quite Educational. Thank you. Next Time try and remove or not make the mic scratching.
Very intresting. Cause most Coolers today ain't limited by heat capacity like the TDP rating advertises, but by actual heat transfer between materials and ultimately air.
Impressive! Interesting!
Testception
1:48 man. That giant yellow lever opening that chamber is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I would have been squeeing with delight being in this lab. Thank you for bringing this to us GN!
It's the small touches that count!
@@GamersNexus Did they finally have to drag you from there, kicking and screaming, "NO...Please don't make me leave"? 🤪 😜 🤪 😁 🤣
I agree. Idk why but fascinatingly simple and beautiful mechanical part for a pressure chamber. Love it.
What is 'squeeing'??
@@CougarCat21 To squeal with excitement or delight.
The level of access you had is seriously impressive. Kudos to Longwin for allowing you to do this. Hope to see more like this in the future.
This 100 times this, big thanks to Jospeh for letting Steve toy around and show us all those machines :D
It is crazy how they let Steve just touch knobs and levers.
Simple he isn't Linus xD
I mean I'd let Steve touch my knob
He's not Linus, thats why :D
Steve learns everything in 5 seconds so it's no problem obviously.
These factories love the attention. Some of the places he has toured aren't exactly the most glamorous on the product development line.
I really enjoy these factory tours. Really puts into perspective what’s behind the part you plucked off the shelf and or just received in the mail.
Absolutely! The context is so valuable as reviewers too because it helps us better understand how things are made and what limitations they have!
@@GamersNexus Love this mindset - I bet it helps give criticism to the companies too as you can give better insight on what may need to be improved from the manufacturing side by a company.
@@GamersNexus The factory tours are interesting in general, but this is definitely the most valuable aspect of it. It seems like it will really help maximize the constructiveness of feedback/suggestions/etc... in addition to just keeping companies honest.
It is so important for consumers to understand how testing is done. Gamers Nexus does Journalism.
I think you forgot "The best" :)
Not only that, at best, companies, especially well known ones, will think twice (I hope) if they state something which isn't true
@@zachansen8293 yeah, it is. I could say that a GPU I made ran at 20C in testing, but I was testing outside in Siberia. How things are tested matters, and it’s important for people to understand how a company got those numbers, EG how they ran the test.
@@zachansen8293 it is. If you are dishonest about your product and claim a ton of bullshit that either doesn't exist in the product or doesn't work that way or even does anything, you can validate or invalidate that. Which is pretty important. But much more important is this for actually making a product being good and accurate in its designed job that it serves in
And for a consumer? Well it actually helps to understand how things work and why are they done in a specific matter before you go out and start screaming "But X feature is actually doing something!", "No it does not, here we tested that and here is how"
@@J_KM654 We're all consumers, and we buy things all the time not having a clue what they are or where they came from, from computers to food. Sometimes you just gotta trust.
The factory tours are one of the best things you do, tied with teh actual investigative journalism (Artesian, exploding PSU, case on fire...) and the Newegg visit.
Love the factory tours! Thanks to the whole GN team for the commitment you guys put into these videos.
Steve looks so excited. Like a kid in a candy shop! Great video Gamers Nexus! Hopefully you guys got out to the tech market, that was a really fun video.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Fun to see Steve giddy with excitement.
Taking moments like this to work with companies to get a tour that no one would even think about and sharing it with your community is amazing. Great Video, thank you for sharing your passion and always posting insightful content.
Reminds me of the stuff Discovery Channel used to focus on, before they switched to reality garbage, I love it.
Joseph is an absolute unit of a human being. He has dedicated his life on trying to think of what needs to be measured THEN figuring out HOW to measure said idea/concern/need. The thing is he has to invent these things and THEN invent something to make sure it is as ACCURATE as possible and possibly invent ANOTHER thing to make sure the first component can do what IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO! Absolute legend
There are techtubers who seem like paid ads and there is GN doing real journalism. Great as always!
Getting paid ads with real journalism is a win-win.
@@triadwarfare True, but that's not what i meant. What I was thinking about are tubers overhyping products and shilling for corporations.
@@triadwarfare It doesn't exist. This is clearly calling out LTT which are more or less long form commercials.
I could almost feel through the screen how excited you were to be their. And I don't blame you. I have a feeling you will be having a new machine coming in asap lol.
Watch this to see the tech version of Charlie in the Chocolate Factory. I’ve never seen Steve gush with such enthusiasm and enjoyment.
This was maybe the coolest place you've visited yet. So many interesting testing chambers and equipment and the place looks spotless. A dream workplace!
The entire time you can see Steve's gears turning in his head "how can we justify buying all this". This was a really cool and informative video. I absolutely love seeing these types of videos, because you can actually see the joy you have for your work and not just benchmark numbers. Absolutely love this content even if it may not get the most views, people really need to check them out.
I'm extremely surprised how hands-on they let you be with all the testing setups.
Steve was certainly excited going over each one considering that most of the time I was like: "Steve, please take a breath you're about to pass out explaining all this so quickly." XD
It's always cool to see the surface-level physics that goes into thermal design and effectiveness. Mad props to the team at Longwin for their work, and letting you guys tour their factory!
This is what this industry needs. Thank you. I will always support pro-customer/consumer objective testing of products. You're a hero.
If you guys didn't know, we (the hifi community of AudioScienceReview) also changed the whole industry by measuring hifi gear. It works. Now JDS Labs and Schiit Audio are making good measuring products to compete with the better Chinese audio products that have measured better for years, and now everybody knows.
Attack Angle or Angle of Attack is a common term all pilots learn. Basically the angle of a wing vs the relative wind direction (angle too high you stall). In this case I imagine a component being angled against the wind in the tunnel to test things.
Great video, guys! The flow demonstration apparatus was super interesting. To be fair, it was all really cool. But the flow machine in particular is what made me jealous of you all. I have a background in physics, and I would have loved to have been there to see it in action first-hand. I'm definitely going to check out the book when it gets translated.
Maybe for the second channel, would love to hear input from the team if anything you saw at this testing center is giving ideas for new tests y'all wanna do on your side, or modify existing tests, and how you would try to meet those goals on a more modest budget. Or, if you can get numbers from the testing center, get an idea of how your tests compare to theirs for accuracy / precision
You all are some of the only guys doing serious tech journalism right now. Constantly putting out unbiased reviews of almost every major prebuilt and pc component that gets released to show us the best ways to spend our money. Then you go above everyone else to get us inside peeks into how all of these parts come to be. Thanks for all your hard work!
THIS is why you have THE BEST pc channel on youtube. i know, that even if a video looks like something that wouldnt be of much interest to me, you will run through the info fast enough where it doesnt get boring, and slow enough where we can follow along, and make it super interesting.
you guys rock.
im so glad your tours are back! these places are awesome
Steve's language journey is taking wild rides.
Joseph explaining thermophysics probably amounts to a boss fight.
Steve playing with those load cell probes like they were fidget toys had me dying a little on the inside if I'm honest.
I'm so glad you guys can travel to Asia again, these are some of my favorite videos.
The level of nerding out that Steve (and likely the other staff there) achieved warms my heart.
this is just so cool ?? like wow and the owner of the company is so invested in all of this and happy to share his knowledge and let ppl see how it all works, honestly so wholesome and amazing, i also love how much they test for mobile devices cooling and such bc up until a few years ago the thermal solutions for mobile devices (especially phones) were a joke tbh, and cant believe its so few people doing all this like wow, thank you so much for letting us see these kinda things!
These tours are something to adore. Nice one GN!
That X-Ray machine is basically like a CT scan at the hospital. You rotate the stage instead of the machine, but the image treatment afterwards uses the same math (which goes way above my head). It's not easy to get right in terms of resolution, x-ray contrast, etc. The amount of cool stuff you can do with those machines is amazing though.
Those ultra-thin vapor chambers are interesting. Maybe they could be used as the fins on a desktop cooler, all connected.
Or maybe they could be put inside the fat AMD CPU heatspreaders.
Steve, your enthusiasm for stuff like this *always* a treat to behold. Thanks for the look-see. 😉👍
Really like these factory coverage ones. Something completely out of the ordinary. Thanks Steve and crew!
Kinda reminds of me shows like "How it's made". Really quite awesome to get the tour of a facility like this while being at home.
I love the work you guys put in while in Taiwan. I'm also loving this addition of factory tours and deep-dives.
This is the best factory tour yet! This was amazing! I would love to go see some of these places myself...I can't wait for the next one!
I could tell the excitement you all had, kids in a candy store. Just imagine if you had access to all this. Always exciting to see these factory tours, keep up this great content!
Love this stuff.
Thanks for taking time out of your lives to share this with us?
That was incredible. I so appreciate this kind of content from you guys. :)
3:47 You guys missed an opportunity here. Like you do in component reviews, you should have put up the "experience barometer" on the left of the screen, showing how many years (seconds?) of experience Steve has at doing something, and then show the word, "expert" next to it!
Man, Steve was absolutely in hog heaven here. Sure is easy to tell he loves all this fancy equipment.
Great content. Always interesting to see behind the scenes on the way equipment is tested.
These factorie tours are awesome but this one is my favorite so far! So much science and technology here to put hardware to test, it is amazing!
Love this content! So cool to see how these components are put through the ringer to see if they do what they say they do. The xrays of the heat pipe is amazing, much more complex then I would have thought!
Seeing all this testing equipment has me so excited for when you and LTT fully finish and figure out y'alls testing equipment.
It's gonna be so good for consumers to have two prominent tech YT'ers breaking down products in the same way these companies do.
Much love to GN and the tech Jesus himself for helping to keep the Corpos in check!
I might add that I only found out about y'all through some older Jayz2cents video where he called you Tech Jesus.
I'm so happy I did, y'all have the best content.
LTT labs is a pipe dream, Linus is in over his head
@@ms3862 I guess we'll see. I don't see the point in being negative about something that could be a good thing.
Plus they have 9 employees for it and a lot of the equipment. I've been seeing some updates on it and it's pretty close.
I just appreciate the effort being put into these things. GN and LTT are putting in a lot of effort to give us better data to make better decisions. So again, I don't really see the point in being negative.
I didn't realise GN was collaborating on the LTT lab. That's awesome.
@@Farzlepot oh I don't think they're really collaborating. They're just both doing the same thing. So that means you can go to both of them to confirm their numbers between them.
This was very well made! Not one time was i thinking "Yeah yeah, you can skip this part, i wanna see what's next", i just found everything interesting. Great job!
Love this content. Won't see it anywhere else on YT. You guys are awesome.
G'day Steve,
So Awesome to get some more of the Taiwan Factory Tour, Learning that these Testing Machines exist & how they work is Awesome
Team, it’s obvious that the team has had a crapload going on. Super cool to see you so stoked to be in such a cool place and soooo happy to be there.
There are some interesting words of wisdom scattered around the lab.
@2:45, the sign next to the wind tunnel says something like, "Comet hit Earth, instant annihilation".
@9:45, the sign underneath the blurred out Mona Lisa says, "your fundamental understanding (lit background information) determines what you see".
Another crazy cool tour! You guys at GN are amazing!
Incredible facility with some amazing equipment. Great tour!
Awesome as always GN! Steve and Crew glad to see more content from your trip over there.
super cool that you got access to this tour.
So cool to see how some of these tests are done, thanks Steve!
These tours are amazing, such an indepth look behind a curtain, you'll usually never have the chance to look behind!
Amazing video! I think you did a great job of breaking down the machines for a wider audience.
Big props to the owner using his hightech equipment to create educational materials. The world needs more people like that!
And for all the people who may not have been following the youtube tech space for a decade I also want to shout out the old LTT factory tours. In perticular the Cherry tour from 2014 has some really cool testing setups and (imo) is criminally underrated with just 1.5M views.
Absolutely love and appreciate this work guys! I usually am siloed on the CompE side so great to see this kind of coverage
Thanks for bringing us this kind of information. This is truly special content!
These factory tours are fantastic.
I absolutely love looking behind the curtain at how these things are tested. This is the kind of thing I got into engineering for. Every time you do a review and show off a new type of testing, or new methodology, I absolutely love it. The CPU contact force testing was a special favorite of mine, along with the 12v connector testing.
Inspired in part by these types of videos, and GN acquiring a fan tester, I decided to try my hand at making a water cooling radiator tester. Using some old components I had around, I was able to create a prototype that was, in my opinion, pretty successful. It was no where near as professional as these machines, but I learned quite a lot from the first revision, and some day I would love to make another revision and do some real testing.
Thank you for doing these tours and showing us how its done.
LOVE this type of work steve - can totally tell the passion and thats always the best work on your part. my wife is telling me i'm fam boying out, and i am - keep this kind of material coming! lets get that in office fan update next !!!
THANKS STEVE!
You and the crew are presenting amazing information again for our education and enjoyment.
THIS is why I am a proud supporter of your efforts.
I encourage everyone who can to join your patreon so that you guys can continue to bring us this fantastic subject matter.
Very cool stuff, great job Steve and thank you Jospeh.
awesome, i love how solid all the mechanisms are
I love this kind of stuff, Im a hardware guy myself and this is the shizzle of stuff. Thanks for this, just AWESOME!! Also, them letting you fondle the testing equipment is awesome as well.
I love these factory tour videos. I wish I were there in person like you were. 🤓
great content, I love these, thank you for making it!
Precision is satisfying. That includes production and testing.
I love these vids. You do a great job at explaining everything to us. Thoroughly enjoyed every moment.
This is pretty cool! Pretty fun to see Steve so excited, like a kid in an amusement park for the first time.
daaang, this is just a fun video. I'm so excited you got to see all this cool stuff in person, thank you for showing us
Very interesting video, thanks for making it, lots of cool stuff showcased.
This video was freaking cool. I really enjoyed it. I like it when you make videos like this when you're able to.
Intro scene: I love that huge computer fan behind you Steve, it's just like the front one in my Cooler Master HAP 500 case!
Thank you for this tour! A lot of people don't realise the work that goes behind getting to do these tours. Thank You Gamers Nexus team!
Very interesting video, thank you for the walkthrough.
Steve is like a little kid on Christmas morning with these factory and engineering tools, and ya just love to see it!
Thorin Oakenshield knows more about computers than I anticipated.
Is that who I am now?!
@@GamersNexus Hundo P.
Absolutely impressive and exciting! Love the excitement in your voice!
I love these videos, thanks guys 👍
This is just Steve going through heaven and showing us all the cool toys they have there. And I'm all here for it.
A lot of great info, thank you!
Our man Steve in the field sure can hold a lot of information.
Very cool video.
these are my favourite videos.
Like, I love the others, but these are a look behind the scenes that I never thought I'd see, so like, damn! Nice!
that flow thing was so cool. I could watch that for days.
It never even crossed my mind to factor in altitude for cooling… Glad someone else has done that work.
It is really cool how longwin is navigating this line between practical affordability and thoroughness. Recreating otherwise less critical or mundane components of products so they can be exactly controlled and consistent for the object under test interfacing with them. Very impressive
Omg. GN's content just keeps getting better and better. Love it!
Looks cool. Great video. Thanks GN
Wow that's a lot of testing equipment, y'all must have been giddy around all that. Most I've been around in person is an integrating sphere x2. Truly amazing what goes into our little products we buy.
this is super cool thanks GN for this great vid
So very cool, great info to know how it is used! Thanks.
2:51 The sign behind Steve "彗星撞地球", "瞬間毀滅"
Translates to "Comet strikes Earth", "Instant destruction"/"Destroyed instantly"
I'm curious why they put that there.
Steve your fandom is showing lol I love his enthusiasm with the topic and the factory tours in general. Great vids
All I can say is well done. Incredibly educational video. Thank you
That's all pretty neat stuff. Thanks, Steve.
wow so cool to be allowed into this kind of a place and show us