Drenching a red hot brake rotor - what'll happen?
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In this episode we test the limits of our Supra's brakes without the car even moving an inch.
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Customer: "I don't care how badly my brake discs are warped. Just replace the pads and don't try to scam me again."
Lol :)
I'm one of those people who changes pads, like, 5-6 times before swapping out the rotors (when ideally you should replace them every 2-3 sets of pads). With my driving new rotors warp pretty quickly anyway, might as well continue using them.
@@SwapBlogRU I am the same. I have even warped.my rotors back straight again eventually!
@Kris Nicholson I do not know how it is there, bit in Ontario Canada, it is cheaper to replace rather than machine.
@Kris Nicholson I'll get there. It's just that I'm stupid and I put all of my money into my engine, and deal with stuff like tires and brakes like you would if you were Russian.
It’s reassuring that even the crappiest rotors hold together in far more brutal situations than I’m likely to ever create.
I mean they are designed to take extremes why do u think carbon rotors suck ass cold but are amazing on a race car your car is never gonna put that speed and braking force on a car but people are dumb enough to think because they're more expensive they're better
I mean rotors are just Iron. No matter how cheap they are, its the OTHER Components.
@@wolfitsolutions5502 there are a lot of grades of iron, some are softer some harder, just like other metals.
@@Njazmo I'm sure being DOT approved there has to be a MINIMAL requirement that the material has to be before it can be safely operated on a vehicle. Therefor as I stated, even the cheapest DOT approved rotor will do the job for basic driving. Its the other components that matter more. But the keyword is BASIC DRIVING. That means don't be doing Dragstrip runs on entry level braking components. As there are more durable braking solutions that are not only better for that but Safer. But for normal street driving it would be truly overkill. You would get better performance if you just used a bigger caliper and Master Cylinder. Also fluid plays a big role too.
3 hard breaking from 100kph to 0 and use a water hose. That will do. He is using hp car breakes so i think its 2x times durable then daily car.
"the brakes have started to fade"
Yeah, fade away from reality
haha
Christine's radio comes on by itself, playing: " Not fade away"
'Fade to black' by Metallica
Russian Haynes manual:
To check rotor runout, jack the rear of the car up, remove wheels, run engine in 1st gear and hold a 13 mil spanner up to the rotor.
If it scrapes, the rotor is warped and you can ignore it.
it's an old mechanic trick btw :)
@@BruceCarbonLakeriver low cost dial gauge
ITS TOTALLY WORTH AND FREE WAY TO CHECK IT! :)
Pretty cool thing to learn, definitely will be using that as a quick trick rather than pull the rotors off and put them on the machine from now on
@@jameshunt5316 yep :D
"What would happen in the worst case scenario?"
Garage 54: We show, you learn!
More blyat maybe?:)
Hydraulic press channel blew up a rotor but they didn't use water, they just floored it till it got hot enough to explode. They caught it in slow motion too.
@@jldude84 That was a sick video. Everyone should watch it if they didn't already!
@@joe125ful dis guy got enough to go around :D
czcams.com/video/efeZuaPwLAY/video.html
Finally a video with the Supra. I was starting to think it was a cardboard fake lol
It is not a factory made Supra.
That's not a supra, by a mile. It's a fleet trim base level Z8. The 2022 86 is an admission that lineage matters and this thing is missing a few hundred horsepower. Toyota execs need to get out of Japan for a second... They seem to think 80km/h is in some way scary fast. In Texas, toddlers go that fast.
@@ch4.hayabusa wait what...?
@@ch4.hayabusa you know that a stock supra does not come with a 1000 horsepower but with 200 hursepurse! Ok
@@ch4.hayabusa its LS swapped ok but it is a supra
The rest of the Supra world “I’ma keep my baby in the garage today, there’s a slight chance of rain”
Some Russians “let’s see how close to burning my Supra down I can get, without actually burning down”
That’s why I like this channel, not afraid to do stuff and answers a ton of automotive questions no one asked lol
my u ttube pllay button to u
"Everything is on fire as usual"
- Garage 54
🤣
im your 54th like what a coincidence
@@MrWaheedulHaque 😊
@Hello Even how are you doing
What's more amazing to me is that the brake fluid withstood all of this, better than anything else.
That fluod is junk now
I was curious what fluid they were running as well... had to be DOT 5 or whatever their equivalent was. I'm also impressed it didn't burn the seals out of the pistons, or, if it did, the pistons still worked, and more importantly, released.
"I believe the best parts for your car are the ones installed at the factory" Pretty much nothing on the Supra behind him is OEM 😂
Life isn't always perfect
there is a difference between mechanical parts and aftermarker bumpers.
You know that too
He's talking about cheap replica parts vs OEM.
Not aftermarket.
😆
@@1one3_Racing yeah, like those they sell at AutoZone some are pretty good, but most are quite crappy.
"Everything is on fire, as usual..." hilarious reaction and exact the reason why I love this channel. 😀
I have a theory: maybe the reason the used rotor held up better was because it was heated and cooled so many times prior to this experiment It essentially tempered itself while the brand new rotor was just soft iron
It essentially got quenched into a steel bomb
This is the theory behind bedding in.
We need a video just talking about the Supra build.
its on their Russian channel czcams.com/play/PLRK2xkMno6VZh6QLbQr0vULxNavUeNdHQ.html
@@geoacuraisuzu me who is slavic but doesnt speak russian 😂
Its not supra without 2JZ
@@patrikvnencak2923 MK5 is not a supra?
@@patrikvnencak2923 it’s a conversion
Love it 21:05
"Oh a rotor on fire nothing new today"
Another day in the sweet land of mother Russia ;)
"I hate brake rotors!"
-Ivan, probably
Welcome to a new episode of "Just Rolled In".... Customer states "I changed my brakes myself, and my brakes aren't working properly"!
Yep, I think you passed the eutectic point at some point in the experiment!
Proves how tough discbrakes actually are! Reassuring actually!
Except on road bikes.
@@SoulAmazing92 True, but still the best option for safe stopping power. I used to broker bikes and have had over 200 including all the "big boy" R bikes.
Now take that damaged brake rotor and spin it up to about 5000 RPM and see what happens.
spin it on the crazy high rpm diff setup!
That’s pretty standard rpms for a rotor in final gear
Not much
Typically 4th gear is 1:1 to the engine RPM, meaning them having it in 6th has the rotor spinning faster then engine RPM, I assume they went to at least 4 or 5 thousand engine RPM so even in testing they went past 5000 RPM at the rotor
@@lrz98gaming5 You're forgetting the final drive ratio through the rear differential which should be somewhere between 2.5:1 or 3.5:1.
Any chance of a video walk around of the Supra?
maybe
Thing is drift kitted out the wazoo. Would love to rip it, but the V8 is sort of a boner killer. 2j love
@@bakedandsteaked hey, there's still the turbo whistle. Not everyone likes led zeppelin I guess.
fuckin ls swap man
@@jakubvalenta4189 it’s a 1uz
These guys make some of the coolest content for cars. They answer questions that I never knew I had, but also questions I do have and can't answer like what is looks like in your engine when it is freezing and you don't let your car warm up.
The smell of brakes burning is disgusting... I have no clue how they can tolerate that. Thanks for the entertainment though, and thanks to BMI Russian for the translation as always!
Do you remember them running the diesel van on brake fluid? Pretty sure they can't smell anything any more.
In Russia, brake burn is a national colonge distributed to all men.
My best friend introduced me to your channel and I truly love what you guys do!!! Nothing but love and respect for you all and your family's guy's!!!
Today on Linus Tech Tips: WATER COOLED BRAKES
I have always wondered what would happen. Now I do. Thank you guys. Love your channel as always!!!
Great to see the boss is back!! Glad you're okay mate!!
I was expecting the rotor to grenade like when Hydraulic Press Channed did it with a Fiesta.
Lol you need more heat and bigger temp differenec..heat brakes on 1000C and use liquid nitrogen - 275C when brakes increasing heat so temp difference is 1275 +- in lets say 2-3 Seconds or less!
That was a great one
@@joe125ful nah, they just floored it and waited for the disc to go on it's adventure.
good vid from beyond the press i enjoy the mayham they pull off
@@fie1329 But its boring way way you know..
Great video as Interesting to see results, back in the late 80s I never replaced discs on front Mk 1 Escort just the pads and drove the car like I stole it, remember one night I had brake fade from heavy driving and braking, pulled over to find glowing red hot discs and heard this clunk, literally half the disc fell out onto the road, opps, then very slow drive home, I still only change pads but always check my disks for wear and warping and drive a lot slower now 😃😀
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I have watched many brake torture tests, but i am confident to say that these Russian at Garage 54 guys are totally crazy. The level they bring matters to is worth the admiration for courage and persistence.
Good job boys, keep it up. Love from Macedonia
That supra looks sick af
Yeah, V8 supra... So sick that I'm on verge of vomiting
@@GarrisonsMadHouse glad you noticed me, well I'm just a normal person who watches lots of videos. Commenting helps the video maker right
@@warrior8154 He's trolling you :D
@@MegaSockenschuss He didn’t say anything bad. He only said that he sees him everywhere.
@@MegaSockenschuss nope he isn't
First time we get to see the " Supra" in action and it starts with some good Garage54 experiments :)
Glad you're feeling better. Enjoy your videos and crazy ideas to much to have you go and die on us.😊
I like how BMI Russian changes his voice for this dude
I love how BMI Russian throws in American, British and Australian terms as though they are second nature.
@@twentyrothmans7308 A good interpreter knows what terms will be understood by his audience.
@Hello Jay how are you doing
@@lydialas8759 Hi. I'm good. How bout you?
@@jpress69 I’m good thanks for asking I hope we can get to know each other if you don’t mind
That’s the rotor they show you at the brake shop waiting room to sell you new rotors 😏🤷♂️
I'm curious to see how a solid non-vented rotor does.
Nuclear meltdown
🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷 ;)
gia sou andrea
Pretty sure they'd either warp or shatter from temperature shock.
The water never touches the rotor when it’s super hot. Leidenfrost effect ftw
It still does
It's nice to see young dudes enjoying their selves with engineering, excellent, keep it up lads 😃
To be honest, the older disc would have been more properly broken in with its use before the tests. Meaning the molecular formation would have been better. The new one more or less went straight to hot tests and abuse so it would have been weaker. This is what I have heard and seen from tests of alloys like what rotors tend to be made of. So given that aspect, if they could have gotten new but properly broken in rotors instead of fresh off the shelf then it would have been a better test of aftermarket parts and OEM parts. So I consider this test more of a fresh vs properly broken in parts.
I was thinking you might want to look at the suspension parts, the brake flexi hose, the diff and hub ends of the driveshaft as extreme heat would have travelled up any contact points, certainly I would imagine at least the hub side of the driveshaft oil seals and UJ bearings likely damaged. The caliper too I imagine is toast as you can see the valleying in the disc where the caliper is allowed to move excessively creating uneven wear.
Lol i love that about this channel
Time and effort is of no consideration for Garage 54
Disc brake operating temp is 300 Celsius when they aren’t braking
@@spannaspinna Even a regular cars braking under little load on a flat surface the rotors get outrageously hot especially in the summer.
Glad you're feeling better! Always an interesting video
Priceless Supra. Turbo V8. Flooring it while on jacks with rear brakes applied. 107% success rate 🥳
The new guy is doing a good job
Id like to see this with motorcycle brakes. I have free-floating brake rotors on my Kawasaki, maybe that would help with the warping
"Driving in a spirited manner." Love it.
Good to know everyone is in good health.
Getting those rotors that hot is totally destroying any temper that thing had.
This was surprisingly beautiful to watch. And educational. Win-win.
Greetings from Texas! Love the videos y'all keep it up. Beautiful supra btw
That Mk4 be looking slick tho
Yeah!
"Everything is on fire, as usual". Sounds like a typical day.
This is awesome ! Finally some real experimenting!! I bet that brake fluid is literally boiling hot lol
"everything is on fire as usual" - Garage 54
Amazing 🤣
You should build a dedicated brake destroying rig, and then run it till it literally falls apart.
No shell to damage in that case.
The narrator, doing a voice, for different host is hilarious and I love it
That effect of the water not touching the brake rotor is called the leidenfrost effect, where the surface of what the fluid is touching is much greater than the fluids boiling temperature, the fluid closest to the hot surface will rapidly boil causing an air gap between the surface and the fluid. Therefore the fluid won't have contact with the surface :)
Toyota makes the best parts hands down no comparison, very impressive test I was really surprised the chinesium held up that long and I'm extremely surprised it didn't fly apart
The new Supras are made by BMW.
Just want to throw this out there because I like you guys and people are sue happy - maybe don't say your face masks prevent all types of viruses, don't put that liability on yourself or your brand! I love you guys, be well
USA is sue happy no life. They are Russians, they live life. Even if someone from US goes there and purchase it, and they sue for no reason then they will just disappear. 😉
Stop thank us : D the content you guys give is mint
Glad to hear you're well!
Yes, definitely Chinesium brake discs.
And very pleased to see Vlad is better too!
You should have showed the brake fluid colour before and after the experiment.
These boys are famous. Greetings to our hero Vlad and the garage. God bless your health.
Glad you are doing well bud. Love your show.
Nice to see you again big guy...stay safe always..
what if you make the engine hot and than throw cold water at the engine and what if you rev a cold car (like very very cold) to redline
A sentence you don't hear every day....."everything's on fire as usual" 😁
Yep. I can attest to this. A sprint on the highway topping out at 300kmph with a 500hp RS4 B5, then taking the exit to a washing street, trying to power wash all the dirt off my car, steam coming from the brakes and after that one of the brakes was warped instantly.
Thank God this mad scientist is ok, love your channel guys, get well soon
Try to quickly cool down a running hot engine by injecting cold water into cooling system.
You know the shop's gonna just REAK for months!!!!
Seeing the cooling veins working is so cool
Happy to see you back, Vlad!
Surprised the caliper survived the test 😅😅😅😅
PS This is why not to spell when tired after work lmao Thanks @Josh Hernandez
I saw a caliper I must have missed the caliber🤣🤣
Those brakes were well over 800 °C based on the glow colour
Those laser thermometers can't pick up the temperature of the shiny metal.
They measured with the wrong device.
They proof the point. No need to be accurate.
@@CyberlightFG yes i just wanted to point out. When they were yellow glowing they were over a 1000 C!
@@jansvasta2146 good point. The Hittites started working in iron around 1500 BC. They didn't need thermometers to do it.
@@the_mowron I sometimes do primitive pottery, love when the clay glows like that :D
You guys need to do this experiment in such a way it actually helps other racers by using some high carbon steel racing rotors compared to regular street, and maybe even middle of the pack rotors. Also, be a bit more easy on the heat as that is never going to happen on the street. Heat them up to molton hot, but not the entire thickness of the rotor, just the surface as would happen on the street, and then splash them several times, but not douce them in water, make it more realistic. I used to come home at night with my EBC Yellow pad setup, and the EBC slotted rotors were lava hot, and glowing. These brakes would stop just as well hot as they did cold, probably better, with no fade. This set lasted me a year of heavy duty street racing, but I was shocked they lasted that long with the amount of hard braking I did. For about $400 a set, (smaller car, larger cars will be up to several hundred more) It's totally worth the cost even if you don't race, especially if you don't race. The braking force will stop your car in a shorter distance, and there is virtually no fade for those who travel mountainous roads frequently. 👍✌
The older bull is now letting the younger bull do some of the bucking, and that's how it should be, we miss ya Vlad, but hope you're enjoying your off-time, great video guys, thanks for sharing.
".....like a Russian steam bath....."
Finnish dude goes to his sauna, pours some water on warm rocks, relaxes.
(edit:) Cyril: "let me show you how it's done."
When you don't have a steam bath, but you've got a cozy garage.
World of Warships got MORE, and I mean WAY MORE than their money's worth for that sponsorship. That is the sickest looking advert I've ever seen lol
awesome video fellas. Always wanted to see this one done. Now I wonder how bad the wheel bearing is after getting that hot...
This chanel is unique, brilliant work guys 👍🏻
"Everything is on fire as usual. "
next episode: What would it take to grenade brake rotors!
1 holy hand grenade of Antioch.
Lulwud 🥴
@@niknik7470 watch Monty Python: Holy Grail.
What shall we call you?!?!
TiM tHe eNcHaNTeR!
@@jumpspace7414 i have been forced to endure the absolute torture that is that stupid movie. If you like it, then it's funny. If you don't, its a bad movie that tries too hard too be funny but still fails miserably. Its very cringe. I do however get the reference 👍
@@niknik7470 First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy brake rotor, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.
I go with BrakeBest Select Premium Ceramic brake-pad sets, they're like $40(for both front and right), with OEM-style store-bought standard-rotors $20 each side(front and right), and last 2-3 years hard driving. $100 for safe driving. If the vehicle is over 8-10 years, I replace the brake calipers and pistons, and evaluate the condition of the brake lines.
I burnish the brake pads onto new rotors, meaning just after installation, take the vehicle on a test-drive, for the first braking surface-mating, get up to 30mph/45kph, then brake medium-hard(but smoothly) until a complete stop, wait 30 seconds for pads and rotors to cool, then repeat 30mph/45kph, then brake medium-hard until a complete stop, total of 10 times. That ensures the brake pads and rotors have the material mated into them enough that you could safely drive with the vehicle, without a long-break-in period of 200 miles or so. So with brake-burnishing you can get the vehicle safely back onto the road with traffic, can be done in the first 5 miles.
I do this every so often on my delivery car since it like to drag and I haven't bothered to fix it yet. I had one so hot that you can feel the heat just from standing near it. It happened to rain that day so I parked near a drain spout to cool it off. It sizzled and howled for a few minutes but it cooled off and drove on it for another 4 hours. Still haven't changed it yet lol.
I would like to see a "brake rotor vs pressure washer", where you use the pressure washer _while_ you're braking to see if it raises in temperature or not lol
It's gonna raise the temperature since the brake is spinning at over 1000 rpm. its clearly gonna heat up faster than water dropping on the brakes
And your brake fluid is fried also. It's as useful as water.
Cooked the greese in the wheel bearings too
Glad to see bossman is back. Take care bossman
13:25 - "the brakes are starting to fade" 😂😂😂😂
Do same with ceramic ones and use deep frozen stuff:)
I would bring that car to the dealership, telling them there is a slight noise under braking
i knew the outcome of this form experience in my life but never red hot like that nothing happens they warp sometimes ive thrown the cheap break pads on my 4x4s all the time and just check them regularly to know when to replace one getting more worn on one side then the other it becomes a chore after awhile i love this channel though great stuff
That’s my kind of party brother. Good work!
IS THAT
*_IS THAT A SUPRA_*
13:45 yeah that's what i figured, rapid cooling with water from the pressure washer has caused the disc to cool unevenly, resulting in those big stress fractures all the way through the disc from its outer to inner edge, if you kept trying to use this it would explode into fragments and tear into the car, its also caused one of the two vented discs to warp pretty badly
1:12 "We'll compare what happens to a good brake rotor, and one that's completely *ROOTED* "
HAHAHAH - The translator has been living in Australia!
In Australia with our Falcons and Commodores, OEM brake rotors are the ones to steer clear of. When new, these cars brakes didn't take long to warp under normal use- making the pedal pulsate. Anything aftermarket ( short of buying Chinese) is an improvement.
Hot weather maybe?
My intrusive thoughts: *Touch it*
I'm quite curious what would happen with a cross drilled rotor. Would the extra stress points cause the rotor to break apart?
Probably, I’ve seen them com apart before and this is a very extreme test
Yes
That's why they don't use them on race cars
You want to feed water at any pressure behind the disc where the vents start. Should easily be thrown outwards then cooling from the centre
That was a very cool combination of awesome and terrifying!
moral of the story: don't buy cheap stuff ...
as the saying goes: if you buy cheap, you buy twice.
@@MegaSockenschuss Non-led bulbs be like
Kermit the frog does translation.
Glad you are doing well!
As soon as o seen this I know it will go boom