How Fast Can We Spin A Titanium Skateboard Wheel?

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  • How fast can we spin a titanium skateboard wheel? There's only one way to find out. I made a custom wheel in pursuit of our goal of reaching 200,000 RPM. We used our 60,000PSI waterjet to spin it up to outrageous speeds.
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  • @WaterjetChannel
    @WaterjetChannel  Před rokem +217

    What would you guys suggest on how to get our RPMs higher? Our next three strategies are to try lighter materials (magnesium or carbon fiber), hollowed out wheels, and finally smaller diameter wheels. At this point those seem to be our only bottle necks, anything we’re over looking?

    • @Jinklenuttz
      @Jinklenuttz Před rokem +25

      Rutts in the titanium

    • @retrocompaq5212
      @retrocompaq5212 Před rokem +31

      VTEC

    • @ToughestHentaiMaster
      @ToughestHentaiMaster Před rokem +17

      Tungsten?

    • @slickpickle6996
      @slickpickle6996 Před rokem +43

      Smaller diameter titanium wheel and spray paint it white and then put a nice thick black sharpie line in order for your tachometer to get a clear reading :)

    • @GoogleToobUser
      @GoogleToobUser Před rokem +8

      Cut a groove in the side of the Ti wheel (and make sure it still balances). Then, using the water drops as a time reference using a black and white checked board with known measurements (like they use in myth busters) you should be able to get an accurate account for the time and rotation of the wheel.

  • @JustHarrison395
    @JustHarrison395 Před rokem +1827

    Should have just drawn a white line on the wheel

    • @______926
      @______926 Před rokem +55

      Exactly 😂

    • @FamTech.
      @FamTech. Před rokem +34

      Yeah that is what is was thinking😂

    • @WaterjetChannel
      @WaterjetChannel  Před rokem +490

      We’ll certainly give that a try. We were a bit rushed with filming and didn’t have many marking options handy.

    • @dw.203
      @dw.203 Před rokem +44

      That or a piece of tape or they could have scribed a line on

    • @DirtTrackRacing410
      @DirtTrackRacing410 Před rokem +71

      I love white lines

  • @yourbifriendaspen3629
    @yourbifriendaspen3629 Před rokem +950

    If you're asking if it would produce a sonic boom, that's a no. A spinning object doesn't produce the kind of compression force needed for a boom. A sonic boom is produced when air is compressed at a faster rate than it can expand itself. The wheel would have to be moving, not spinning.
    Since the wheel is a uniform shape, there's nowhere along the wheel for air to accumulate and compress.
    As far as producing a different pitch or tone, though... That's beyond me. I'm not familiar with that part of physics

    • @DoubsGaming
      @DoubsGaming Před rokem +37

      This makes sense, took a few physics classes and somehow missed that red flag. Though this does beg the question, could you start something on fire purely from air resistance in this fashion.

    • @yourbifriendaspen3629
      @yourbifriendaspen3629 Před rokem +32

      @@DoubsGaming yeah, i think so. Pretty sure that's what happens when objects enter Earth's atmosphere. It's part of the reason designing spacecrafts meant for re-entry are so difficult.

    • @mishkamcivor409
      @mishkamcivor409 Před rokem +23

      You can actually hear the fan blade tips becoming supersonic on moder high bypass turbofan engines, it maes a very strange buzzing sound, so its definitely possible but in this case unlike a turbofan this wheel is completely smooth so like you say I don't think it would create any notable disturbance in the air, who knows though I'm not an aerodynamisist or an engineer

    • @iRA_mkb
      @iRA_mkb Před rokem +3

      bearings

    • @leatherfart1822
      @leatherfart1822 Před rokem +7

      @@mishkamcivor409 the thunderscreech planes propellar would also make a visible shockwave because of how fast it was going

  • @MushookieMan
    @MushookieMan Před rokem +67

    I'm an engineer. The limiting factor on wheel RPM is parasitic drag from air resistance and bearing friction; not the weight of the material. If you had low enough friction, the outer surface would achieve the same velocity as the jet. The best way to achieve lower air drag is to polish the surface of the wheel, and place the whole contraption in a somewhat airtight cylindrical container, so a rotating mass of air can form around it, instead of accelerating the stationary air in the room. But by far the biggest improvement could be had by removing the grease from the bearing. After all you only need it to work once.

    • @Peter_Cordes
      @Peter_Cordes Před rokem +8

      I think I've only seen one other comment correctly pointing out that a lighter wheel wouldn't help.
      IDK what mechanism they're even imagining for a heavier wheel to have more drag. With good bearings, the extra weight on them should be negligible compared to air resistance. If the wheel isn't perfectly balanced on the same axis as the bearing, a lighter wheel wouldn't wobble as hard. But I think wobble must be low enough to be pretty negligible, or something would probably break at those speeds.
      Wheel *diameter* on the other hand is a significant factor. The outer edge of the wheel can only reach a linear speed of at most the water jet speed. The larger the wheel radius, the lower RPM for the same linear speed.
      Cutting a groove into the wheel (or just shrinking it) would give the water jet a higher "gear ratio" in turning the wheel.
      ----
      Interesting idea about a housing to allow rotating air. It would still have to allow water from the water jet to escape so it couldn't be airtight everywhere, but yeah you could maybe get a shroud around it that would encourage air to move around it.
      (Unless you were driving the wheel by a different mechanism, like electromagnetism, like a DC motor at a distance? Then you could put it in a low-pressure / partial vacuum bell jar or something. Makes me think of some modern hard drives that use helium.)

    • @xxn0cturn3xx
      @xxn0cturn3xx Před 11 měsíci +4

      Im also an engineer, they need to use ceramic bearings if they want to achieve such high rpms with lower friction.

    • @RovingPunster
      @RovingPunster Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@xxn0cturn3xxWhy ceramic and not tungsten carbide ?

    • @saab35draken39
      @saab35draken39 Před 27 dny +2

      @@xxn0cturn3xx They are using ceramic bearings lol

    • @Sugarsail1
      @Sugarsail1 Před 17 dny +1

      @@RovingPunster better yet, why not sapphire bearings?

  • @AuburnTigers111
    @AuburnTigers111 Před 6 měsíci +74

    This is the type of unhinged video that got me hooked on youtube back in its early days.

  • @johnrobert3816
    @johnrobert3816 Před rokem +414

    Take it from a guy who mass machines titanium on the regular, whatever speed you think you should be running at, halve it. Most machinists who are unfamiliar with the material go way too fast and destory any cutting edge you once had. Bi-metal band saw blades will cut it but have to be sharp and run slow, 300 series stainless slow. Cutting it on the lathe, use carbide and go a hair slower than stainless steel speeds.

    • @76Arfa
      @76Arfa Před rokem +25

      Agreed, also a steady stream of coolant on the tip of the cutting tool helps too

    • @bp8652
      @bp8652 Před rokem +10

      Is there a reason they didn't just use the water jet instead of the bandsaw for the rough cut?

    • @johnrobert3816
      @johnrobert3816 Před rokem +11

      @@76Arfa I truthfully don't have an answer for you. I am primarily a lathe operator but I can guess that cutting over a round surface can be a challenge on the jet because it gets deflected but I really don't know. Also the struggle may have just been better content.

    • @shirothehero0609
      @shirothehero0609 Před rokem +10

      I also cut much Ti and Inconel. When I discovered cermet inserts my life changed.
      Now, I ENJOY Ti, Inconel and hard machining. Maschosicism at its finest.

    • @kevenc
      @kevenc Před 11 měsíci +5

      Agree! Titanium (especially the machinable grades) isn't hard to machine as long as you go VERY slow. I was making a titanium pen (yeah, go figure) and lost several drill bits center cutting the middle out until I realized I was just going a little too fast for the heat. I slowed down just a little and it cut beautifully. Once it starts grabbing, the heat skyrockets and something breaks. It's almost like copper, but not that gummy. Despite the hype, titanium is softer than steel, but harder to machine unless you go slow.

  • @PatrickAdairDesigns
    @PatrickAdairDesigns Před rokem +752

    Try making a magnesium wheel but press fit a titanium sleeve around the outer diameter to give it more strength. Should hit crazy high RPMs as magnesium is significantly lighter than even aluminum.

    • @spintt
      @spintt Před rokem +84

      It would accelerate faster, but should reach the same rpm. Also be careful as magnesium fires are troublesome

    • @joli22
      @joli22 Před rokem +16

      wouldn't one of the materials stretch more than the other and cause significant problems?

    • @matthewmorgan582
      @matthewmorgan582 Před rokem +5

      Beryllium? although it'd be mad expensive.

    • @feelinghealing3890
      @feelinghealing3890 Před rokem +42

      I feel like *magnesium* and a *water*jet could be a funny combo

    • @themonkeyspaw7359
      @themonkeyspaw7359 Před rokem

      @@matthewmorgan582 They would die from berylliosis. Do not fuck with that shit.

  • @wowscrypt
    @wowscrypt Před rokem +44

    You could possibly increase the max speed at the outer diameter by creating a tophat shaped wheel. Point the waterjet at the smaller diameter section and the larger half may move faster than the water from the jet just like higher gearing in a car. It will however be harder to spin.

  • @MM-jn2ny
    @MM-jn2ny Před 4 měsíci +5

    This is the first video of yours that I've watched and while waterjet videos don't exactly peak my interest the comedy/editing will keep me watching haha, keep it up

  • @1rstTry
    @1rstTry Před rokem +249

    Bearing will affect the sound/harmonics. Can’t use the previous frequency. Next time don’t anodize it so there is more contrast for the meter!!

    • @bobmcbob4399
      @bobmcbob4399 Před rokem +42

      or heavily anodize half the wheel to create contrast that stays on.

    • @______926
      @______926 Před rokem +22

      A white line on the black wheel would have worked just fine.

    • @minimalskill6592
      @minimalskill6592 Před rokem +17

      Or to just grind off the anodize in a line

    • @1rstTry
      @1rstTry Před rokem +11

      @@minimalskill6592 minimal skill but maximum brain

    • @Henning_S.
      @Henning_S. Před rokem +6

      You need a white mark on a black wheel, these tachometers don't work very well with black marks on white wheels, because they need short impulses of a light surface.
      But usually they don't work above 100,000 rpm....

  • @JBMetalShop
    @JBMetalShop Před rokem +208

    First, use a silver or white line for contrast to get the Tachometer to work. Also, the titanium wheel would most likely have a different resonant frequency especially since you changed the bearings. Bearings are usually the noise maker anyway and since you upgraded them the frequencies almost certainly wouldn’t correspond to the same RPMS. You very likely exceeded the RPMs of the aluminum wheel with this experiment. Keep it up, i love this stuff, it’s why i like engineering!

    • @dubfunk1886
      @dubfunk1886 Před 4 měsíci +4

      My first thought was using a white paint marker. Nice

  • @Ofna211
    @Ofna211 Před 4 měsíci

    Great entertainment. I can tell you have working around this shop forever as your ability to cover all ideas or theorys with tests along with funny spats makes this very fun to watch! Great job!

  • @danieldimitri6133
    @danieldimitri6133 Před 4 měsíci +3

    The trick to ti on the band saw... 1 flood coolant, 2 brand new Lennox blade! 3 turn the band speed as low as it goes, I don't care if the Internet gave you a different speed. If it's a variable speed, turn the adjuster till the band stops moving then turn it up till it barely works. If it's a multi speed, put a vfd controller on the motor to slow it down. I've been able to turn induction motors down to 15 hz which is 1/4 speed. It might even go down to 10hz. As for the lathe, If it's a fairly heavy lathe you can take pretty heavy cuts. If you have lots of cooling like a CNC you may even be able to go a reasonable RPM. Ti likes CNC lathes. Continuous cuts are good. Thick chips are good. Prefer a feed/rev relationship over higher rpm. Thin chips are bad, high rpm is generally bad unless you have the cooling capacity. For a manual lathe use power feed and if you want to be safe use a very low rpm. Always use new sharp tools. For a milling machine, well if it's CNC use climbing cuts and a fixed feed rate, no slowing down for corners. Use healthy oversteps. A thin chips will harden the work and break the cutter faster than an abrupt 90 corner with a heavier volumetric load will. If you are manually milling, you may be able to face it. But good luck profiling it. It hates conventional cuts and heat. But climbing cuts heavy enough to punch through the work hardened surface will likely draw the work into the cutter. You can try locking the gibs and letting the leadscrew pull through the friction. But a CNC with ball nuts is just a more reliable way to work with it.

  • @mattd1188
    @mattd1188 Před rokem +93

    This whole channel feels like a post-apocalyptic Waterjet Channel where a lone survivor stumbles upon the location and partial ruins of the Waterjet Channel and started making videos to keep from going insane.

    • @Glensen
      @Glensen Před rokem +4

      Yeah, wtf happend to the channel?

    • @prestonjohnson3259
      @prestonjohnson3259 Před rokem +9

      The good people left and the channel died

    • @xJagaimo
      @xJagaimo Před 11 měsíci +2

      they never made a video about it makes me think the channel and the other guys parted on bad terms?

    • @prestonjohnson3259
      @prestonjohnson3259 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@xJagaimo I heard somewhere that they moved to a different position or something, it’s just not that good without them tho

  • @the.other.ian.
    @the.other.ian. Před rokem +149

    Since the titanium isn't gonna get gouged out as much, to maximize the speed you are gonna want to have it hit the wheel further out so the water stream is hitting at an angle closer to tangent of the surface of the wheel.

    • @tz8785
      @tz8785 Před rokem +9

      Also it would likely be a good idea to move the jet away from the axis as the wheel expands.

    • @amarissimus29
      @amarissimus29 Před 11 měsíci +26

      You're giving advice to someone who can't even bother to fit a bearing properly. Also someone who's best idea for spinning wheels quickly is to unbalance them as fast as possible. Also someone who thinks puns and bad accents are the height of wit. etc.

    • @HowToGuroo
      @HowToGuroo Před 11 měsíci +7

      @@amarissimus29 yes because you are much more capable funny witty etc....get a grip

    • @SirPunch2Face
      @SirPunch2Face Před 11 měsíci +9

      ​@@amarissimus29I bet you still get invited to all the parties and end up with all the beautiful women.

  • @FrankHeuvelman
    @FrankHeuvelman Před 11 měsíci +3

    I like your sense of humor.
    Makes me feel at home.

  • @TheTechAdmin
    @TheTechAdmin Před 2 měsíci +2

    10:11 If you had the world's first 100% energy transfer device; which would technically be breaking the rules of thermodynamics simply by the small distance.

  • @PrincipalAudio
    @PrincipalAudio Před rokem +66

    The peak frequency of the fundamental tone on the Titanium sample reached a maximum of 953Hz (on my spectrogram). That equates to 57,180 RPM.
    I'd throw out your tachometer, and ignore any previous readings. Working out new speeds based upon the previous rpm measured with it will be giving falsely high results for everything. They can pick up false signals (harmonics) and give you twice the speed or more.
    Here's my measurements:
    *Resin + Titanium Shavings:*
    429 Hz * 60 = 25,740 RPM
    *Copper:*
    332 Hz * 60 = 19,920 RPM
    *Titanium:*
    953 Hz * 60 = 57,180 RPM

    • @PrincipalAudio
      @PrincipalAudio Před rokem +6

      @ 12:50 in the video, the peak reading is ~924 Hz, which equates to 55,440 RPM.
      @ 13:02 in the video, peak reading is ~1320 Hz = 79,200 RPM.

    • @DoubsGaming
      @DoubsGaming Před rokem +7

      Someone else did say that different bearings produce different sound signatures so doing another series of tests with only ceramic bearings would also give a more accurate result.

    • @retrocompaq5212
      @retrocompaq5212 Před rokem +7

      @@DoubsGaming denser materials sounds different too

    • @PrincipalAudio
      @PrincipalAudio Před rokem +5

      @@DoubsGaming Good call! I think the difference in sound would mostly come from higher harmonics and intermodulation (which can produce frequencies lower than the fundamental). But still, would be great to keep everything constant except for the material being tested. 👍

    • @PrincipalAudio
      @PrincipalAudio Před rokem +3

      @@retrocompaq5212 Aye, you're right about the different sounds. I should probably make a video on this - after my audio interface is repaired for the 2nd time in a row.
      Differences in sound characteristics usually come from frequencies higher than the fundamental. Usually, the fundamental (1st harmonic) is the one to look at, as it'll be the one that represents the rotation speed (except in cases of strange vibrations). But usually you can see these other vibrations starting to occur in the spectrogram and ignore them.

  • @HeisenbergFam
    @HeisenbergFam Před rokem +22

    Legend has it the wheel spins faster than Sonic

    • @TrevorD19
      @TrevorD19 Před rokem +1

      Lol😊

    • @D0BR0VECE
      @D0BR0VECE Před rokem +3

      Go away Walter!

    • @tone618
      @tone618 Před rokem +2

      waltuh you aint supposed to be here waltuh

  • @Smooth327
    @Smooth327 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I hope there is a part 2 to this video where you try different kinds of lead or metals. This was top 3 of videos you have ever done in my opinion. I want to see 2 bullets fuse now and hope you get it done. Good Luck and God Bless

  • @flomojo2u
    @flomojo2u Před rokem +5

    Make sure it's perfectly balanced, I could tell just from the hand spin it was off balance since it ended up swinging back and forth around the heavy side. The imbalance is going to cause the bearings to wear unevenly and cause more friction. Use a hobby propeller balancer to get it as close as possible to perfect. I would also suggest rounding off the corners and trying to shoot for a flattened sphere shape to avoid air turbulence. Good luck!

    • @Infernostar18
      @Infernostar18 Před 3 měsíci

      I just commented that the heavy side is the bottom which makes it act as a pendulum. Knock a couple grams off until it goes away. Its typical to see a bunch of drilled out spots on engine crankshafts to balance them. Same could be done here. Just drill or mill off a little bit of material.

  • @jakobchuchman5982
    @jakobchuchman5982 Před rokem +27

    Here's an idea to get the tachometer to read. You guys electrocuted it so it turned blue, well dip half of it In the solution so it becomes a different colour than the other half. I don't know how the tachometer exactly works, but it's how I think it does, it should be able to give a reading. And it won't rub off like the sharpie did.(I have no idea if it will actually work but it's an idea)

    • @Mrshotshell
      @Mrshotshell Před rokem +2

      Tachometers like that usually use reflective tape strips that you put on the object to have a stable signal

    • @RIGeek.
      @RIGeek. Před rokem +3

      The proper thing would be to put a retroreflective strip on it.

    • @Mrshotshell
      @Mrshotshell Před rokem +2

      @@RIGeek. Most laser tachometers even come with some

    • @RKroese
      @RKroese Před 11 měsíci +2

      ​@@RIGeek.Can't. You can't put anything on or take anything away.
      IF it sticks, it causes a disbalans which is very dangerous at those speeds.

    • @MartII89NL
      @MartII89NL Před 3 měsíci

      This idea of discoloration is kinda decent does not have to be 50% of the wheel consider 5% to 10% to get some kind of stripe.

  • @matthewlambermon-southam4418

    my guess would be the tachometer functions on contrast to generate a differential pulse wave, then just spits out pulses per second to pulses per minute to get RPM, the blue anodization may have hindered the contrast (red laser), so maybe try a white spray paint and the sharpie black line, a wider black line may be beneficial because at higher RPM the contrast would produce a fainter pulse signal for a thin one with respect to the sensors sample rate.

    • @GerinoMorn
      @GerinoMorn Před rokem +1

      or anodise just half very dark....

    • @zombieregime
      @zombieregime Před 11 měsíci

      At the speeds they're trying to measure itd probably be best to do half black non reflective and the other half white very reflective. That way instead of trying to catch a quick blip the meter has half a rotation to sense the change in intensity. As long as its capturing one up and one down level change per rotation it will remain accurate. Also, itd be a helluva lot easier to deduce on high speed.

  • @Gunbudder
    @Gunbudder Před rokem +3

    you calculate the upper limit on rotational velocity for the titanium wheel. the wheel will never spin faster than the surface velocity of the water hitting it. so you use the formula to convert surface velocity of a wheel to rotational (using the radius of your wheel) and that is your absolute upper limit. you know it will actually be less than that because the frictional forces of the bearing and the air will slow it down. you can combine all frictional forces into an overall coefficient of friction. you can get the drag coefficient for a stationary spinning wheel from an engineering data table, and you can get the coefficient of friction for that bearing from the supplier (or just do ceramic on ceramic). my WAG would be the actual rotational velocity maximum after friction is probably 80% of the frictionless value.
    The slowmo doesn't actually tell you the whole picture though either. it appears to be spinning 3 frames for full rotation, but you could be spinning a lot more than that. the sample rate of the camera could be relative slow such that the wheel spins multiple times per frame and simply shows up in a different location. there are a LOT of formulas for calculating and accounting for this to try and get a range of possible values.
    also the frequency is going to be tied to the density and volume of the disc, so it wouldn't map perfectly to the aluminum disc

    • @pahom2
      @pahom2 Před 4 měsíci

      They can make a step on a wheel with smaller radius and point a water jet on its surface. This would make it spin faster and the outer radius wheel surface may indeed break the speed of sound then.

  • @RANGER73CPT
    @RANGER73CPT Před 11 měsíci +1

    You have few things you need to work out with yourself but other than that you are somewhat entertaining to a guy who never smiles. Take that as a compliment...

  • @minikawildflower
    @minikawildflower Před rokem +4

    RIP Dr Pepper who made the ultimate sacrifice for this video

  • @sac3528
    @sac3528 Před rokem +10

    If you're gonna keep bumping up the RPMs, you'll need a better measuring method. Get a very small disc magnet, drill a hole in the side of your wheel (not the circumference, it'll get thrown off, just the side, as close to the bearing as you can to avoid imbalance), JB weld it in, balance it, and then use a read head pulled out of an old tape deck, hooked to an oscilliscope, to measure the speed of the wheel. An optical tachometer just isn't gonna keep up at these speeds, although you may have better results spray painting it black, and then adding a retro-reflective white strip.

    • @eduardopupucon
      @eduardopupucon Před rokem +2

      instead of a tape reader couldn't you just use any inductor or even a piece of coiled copper? the charge generated by the magnet could be detected by an oscilloscope, and since you basically made a monophase generator, you could measure the frequency of the current you generate, and instead of embedding a magnet which could cause imbalance you could electro-coat a part of it with something ferromagnetic

    • @eduardopupucon
      @eduardopupucon Před rokem

      another idea would be to find a way to couple the wheel into a car alternator, that way you already have everything built into

    • @sac3528
      @sac3528 Před rokem +3

      @@eduardopupucon Sure you could, but a tape head has the advantages of being readily available, cheap, and most importantly - has a really high frequency response. You could use any old coil of wire, but at 100khz+ ... well I'm no electrical engineer, but at some point you'll have to actually think about the design of your coil so that it can actually produce a signal at those frequencies, and why bother doing that when you can use one where someone's already done all the work for you?

    • @crimmy838
      @crimmy838 Před 10 měsíci

      It's better to treat the magnets like a small generator, whatever wattage you get out of it can be measured at lower more accurate speeds, then that wattage number can get you a good estimate on how fast its turning at higher rpm, works for 20k rpm liter bikes at least

  • @JustinKoenigSilica
    @JustinKoenigSilica Před 2 měsíci +1

    2:30 I think it also helps that they're constantly showering the workpieces in hundreds of liters of coolant per minute

  • @mattt198654321
    @mattt198654321 Před rokem

    Your presentation and editing have gotten better... Keep it up

  • @sandyleask92
    @sandyleask92 Před rokem +7

    Im sure the harmonics would be completely different between the materials and bearings used. The pitch used between them for estimates can't be reliable

    • @JasonMitchellofcompsci
      @JasonMitchellofcompsci Před rokem

      The right way to do it would be to take samples from different parts of the video, find a part where you could measure it with the tachometer, and watch the corresponding line travel left to make sure you are tracking the right one. Picking out "maximums" on a spetrograph is kind of bullshit.

  • @DP69264
    @DP69264 Před rokem +37

    Where did the original guys go?

  • @joanrucker1568
    @joanrucker1568 Před 20 dny

    Holy shit man You deserve your own show!! This is awesomeness🎉 You sir have just gained a huge fan:) Not like a fan fan, a fan😅

  • @handstanddiarrhea
    @handstanddiarrhea Před rokem

    Holy Sh*t you just made me so damn happy with the "Will it Blend?" reference.

  • @wesleyboyer6654
    @wesleyboyer6654 Před rokem +5

    Haven't seen Strongbad in a hot minute

  • @120297
    @120297 Před rokem +4

    It's not a waterjet channel video without a taste test. Good job.

  • @tannerbean3801
    @tannerbean3801 Před rokem

    Yes, the drag on the wheel exponentially increases, the faster it spins.
    I would not rely on the tone of a wheel of a different material to estimate the speed of the Ti wheel.
    Measure it optically. If you have to, use an oscilloscope to probe the IR photodiode on your chinesium harbor freight tachometer, then count the frequency with the oscilloscope.
    Adjusting the position of the wheel vs the stream might help you in two ways 1. Optimizing the momentum transfer from the water to the wheel by 1a. Getting as close to tangent as possible without 1b. Reducing the amount & duration of water contacting the wheel before flying off 2. Reducing the friction on the bearings by reducing the downward force from the stream (the closer to the center of the wheel = more radial force & friction on the bearing and the less torque/ tangential momentum transfer to the wheel).
    Probably the best thing you could do to make this experiment easier is scuff a stripe on the wheel to reflect, sharpie the rest black. Setup your chinesium tach on a chinesium tripod, tap into your chinesium tach photodiode, connect an oscilloscope, monitor from a safe distance. Then start playing with your...
    Position of the jet.
    Then you're set.
    Bet.

  • @larrykent196
    @larrykent196 Před 2 měsíci

    Some good precision machining the bore, and balance it when your done, the balance will greatly improve your rotational speed before failure. This very cool, thanks for sharing. Cheers!

  • @capnskustomworks
    @capnskustomworks Před rokem +4

    I think fully precision machining the wheel is gonna end up being a needed step to really optimize it, that oughta get some interesting results! And I wonder if machining a groove in a resin wheel and then encasing wire might be cool? That’d be a fun comparison to this wire one! Ye could even try making a batch with different material wire, maybe?

  • @locouk
    @locouk Před rokem +12

    Try using a fan to clear the water mist
    Also, thread a reflective bolt into the side so you can get an accurate tachometer reading.

    • @Sharpless2
      @Sharpless2 Před rokem +1

      that would unbalance the wheel very badly and would increase the mass. Both of those things would yield much lower RPM.

    • @locouk
      @locouk Před rokem

      @@Sharpless2
      Drill the side, thread it and insert a bolt. Cut it flush and do the same on the other side at 180° to keep the balance.
      The cut bolt end could be painted to reflect the laser tachometer.

    • @Henning_S.
      @Henning_S. Před rokem +2

      @@locouk why put painted bolts in the wheel? It is much easier and more effective if you just use black spray paint to make the whole wheel black and then paint a quarter of the wheel white

    • @quantumleap359
      @quantumleap359 Před rokem +1

      @@Henning_S. Easy, cheap, and will work a treat. I think many are overthinking this.

    • @TantalumPolytope
      @TantalumPolytope Před 10 měsíci

      @@locouk The bolt will definitely have a different density to the titanium so that would unbalance the wheel a lot

  • @saltysteel3996
    @saltysteel3996 Před 3 měsíci +2

    Some bullets spin close to 300,000 RPM in flight. It's crazy how they stay together without exploding as soon as they leave the barrel.

  • @imperialinquisitor510
    @imperialinquisitor510 Před 7 měsíci

    Finally, someone tackling the BIG questions!

  • @ranndomundead9112
    @ranndomundead9112 Před rokem +7

    you could cut out a little tab/wing on the side of the wheel that will receive air resistance instead of water, possibly allowing you to test the sound barrier idea

    • @yourbifriendaspen3629
      @yourbifriendaspen3629 Před rokem +2

      That might work. It is spinning, though... You would probably have to make almost a small cupped indent on it to catch air so it can compress.
      I do wonder if that would work, though... 🤔

    • @DoubsGaming
      @DoubsGaming Před rokem

      @@yourbifriendaspen3629 I feel like the drag would prevent him from getting to the speed required, I don't remember where I saw it but doesn't drag increase with speed? If that's true then in that case it might not be possible considering how fast it's going.

    • @yourbifriendaspen3629
      @yourbifriendaspen3629 Před rokem

      @@DoubsGaming I'm not sure, actually. It's definitely affected by speed, though. I'll look it up

    • @yourbifriendaspen3629
      @yourbifriendaspen3629 Před rokem

      @@DoubsGaming yeah, drag increases with speed.

    • @jonnyperales9284
      @jonnyperales9284 Před rokem

      ​​@@yourbifriendaspen3629 it will increase but with testing there might be a sweet spot on size of resistance

  • @robertsmith4681
    @robertsmith4681 Před rokem +10

    I wonder if this sort of thing will end up being turned into an actual manufacturing process to go along casting and stamping ...

  • @uploadsnstuff8902
    @uploadsnstuff8902 Před 3 měsíci +1

    No amount of money would make me get my hands that close to a screeching titanium cylinder.

  • @sootamander4398
    @sootamander4398 Před 2 měsíci

    Was not expecting a flashback to my childhood 1 minute into a water jet channel video

  • @arthasmenethil2201
    @arthasmenethil2201 Před rokem +4

    Next time use Liquid Paper. A black Sharpie over a dark surface won't work.

  • @mtboy33
    @mtboy33 Před rokem +8

    Check out the fitting of bearings on good downhill longboard wheels. Bearings are always a super tight fit. Also taking advantage of how durable titanium is, you should hollow it out a bit. Like a titanium whiffle ball. I think the groove it cut in those resin wheels really affected how it was spinning.

  • @aeriumsoft
    @aeriumsoft Před 10 měsíci +1

    0:57 strong bad fqhwgahds reference???!!
    as a former homestar runner addict you got me good

  • @maytronix7201
    @maytronix7201 Před 11 měsíci

    Great video man. I wish I had access to a shop and materials to do goofy fun stuff like that.

  • @radium4194
    @radium4194 Před rokem +4

    Ok that was really cool

  • @beardedxj
    @beardedxj Před rokem +17

    Have you spun nickel metal yet? Would also be cool to see the titanium wheel lightened up and see if you can increase that spead. Maybe Nurle the outside too for extra friction with the water and media.
    Awesome video, now i need to convince my company to let me try some experiments 😂

    • @RKroese
      @RKroese Před 11 měsíci

      Nurgle!?
      Heresy!!!

  • @molinobeer
    @molinobeer Před 10 měsíci +1

    You want to make it go really really fast using the same wheel and setup? Put the wheel on a slight tilt so that the water jet can it the side of the wheel. Then accelerate the wheel to the maximum (until frequency stops climbing) like you do here, but then move the water jet head to the side of the wheel starting from the outter diameter, and moving slowly in the direction of the center. The closer to the center the faster (RPM) the wheel will go, because the water speed is constant so is the surface speed wherever the water hits the wheel, and in a smaller diameter that means higher RPM. Just remember moving the jet slowly because the inner it goes the more rotational inertia it has to overcome in order to accelerate the wheel. To mesure the RPM you can paint a white stripe in the wheel, or paint the side white and put a black stripe.

  • @STA-3
    @STA-3 Před 11 měsíci +1

    7:17 nice pun with the earth/ground wire!

  • @fearlabsaudio7815
    @fearlabsaudio7815 Před rokem +3

    I got about 56300rpm using a spectrum analyzer on the audio. 1 rotation = 1 period/rotation. It made a fundamental tone at roughly 938hz * 60.

  • @mybackhurts7020
    @mybackhurts7020 Před rokem +6

    I broke the titanium rods in my back😅

  • @mikejennings7779
    @mikejennings7779 Před 10 měsíci

    Love the slapstick interludes, lad

  • @szili76
    @szili76 Před rokem

    If you continue like this the universe will implode

  • @MrAPCProductions
    @MrAPCProductions Před rokem +4

    The Cheat is to the Limit, cmon fhqwhgads .

  • @planetrob555
    @planetrob555 Před rokem +17

    "How do we measure that?" With white tape or paint. Damn. Also, SURELY you can set up a safe system to read the RPMs without having to run up to it after it's already slowed down a bit. Danger isn't entertaining regarding these types of tests...at least not to me.

    • @chrisbarnes4383
      @chrisbarnes4383 Před rokem +1

      Pfft, the entertainment level is directly proportional to the danger level.

    • @TranceFur
      @TranceFur Před rokem

      This whole video gives off unintelligent energy.

  • @thatonelonelyeagle5398
    @thatonelonelyeagle5398 Před 11 měsíci

    What you can do is cut the titanium wheels front to a slight conical like face instead of it being flat so that as the waterjet spins it the more in it goes to the center the faster it'll spin (may possibly break time and space with this method lol). Great video!

    • @zombieregime
      @zombieregime Před 11 měsíci +1

      Imagine causality being broken, not by physicists in a deep dark secret lab, but a couple of dudes messing with a waterjet when the bosses back is turned 🤣

  • @jimhiscott2918
    @jimhiscott2918 Před rokem

    My father owned his own machine shop for 22 years. He took on a lot of aerospace projects. He too did not like working with titanium. I remember the companies always wanted any and all materials that were cut or machined off for recycling

  • @Jinklenuttz
    @Jinklenuttz Před rokem +3

    if you were to machine rutts in the wheel you may get higher speeds since the water has something to grab

  • @doctor_red788
    @doctor_red788 Před rokem +3

    damn thats fast

  • @mikewhitley1183
    @mikewhitley1183 Před 5 měsíci

    There is a fine line between genius and insanity, good luck with your travels

  • @dougsmith5873
    @dougsmith5873 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Assist with air and paint it black with a white or silver mark to measure RPM . Get fingernail polish that matches the silver tape that was supplied with the tachometer. The air will serve two assisting properties. The motion and lower the pressure due to that Bernoulli thing.. You could also use an air bearing for reduced friction. Make a steel spool that fits the profile of the titanium and pump air out of the center of the spool. Replace any grease the bearing might have with WD-40. Good Luck

  • @josephholt7971
    @josephholt7971 Před rokem +3

    Does anyone know what happened to the original hosts of this channel?

  • @Youshallbeeatenbyme
    @Youshallbeeatenbyme Před 11 měsíci

    The strong bad reference earned you a new sub. [:

  • @stauntssantana
    @stauntssantana Před 3 měsíci +1

    3:10 the forbidden flashlight

  • @memesreview5675
    @memesreview5675 Před rokem +6

    Make a wheel out of sodium metal

  • @AsitShouldBe
    @AsitShouldBe Před rokem +4

    nice job 😁

  • @christophresmerowski1824
    @christophresmerowski1824 Před 11 měsíci

    Fascinating. I'm not a skater (73) and it's 3:45 am. Watched the whole video in the middle of the night. LOL

  • @RT-mm8rq
    @RT-mm8rq Před 11 měsíci +1

    Might drill small holes into in the side and through the wheels, taking out material to lighten it up and also creating a surface that you might be able to get a reading.
    Just make sure every hole is precisely located to maintain balance.

  • @AndyFromm
    @AndyFromm Před rokem +17

    It's just not the same without Licky & the Bald Guy... rip

    • @thewiddler1746
      @thewiddler1746 Před rokem +3

      Then go find something else to watch ?

    • @poisonapple15
      @poisonapple15 Před rokem +3

      I forget. Where did they go?

    • @Decodeish1
      @Decodeish1 Před rokem +4

      @@poisonapple15 never said, one youtube comment source (saying they work with them) said that they got promoted. not strong enough evidence though

    • @poisonapple15
      @poisonapple15 Před rokem +1

      @@Decodeish1 Ah ok :/ thanks

    • @carolinacoreas7716
      @carolinacoreas7716 Před rokem

      ​@@poisonapple15 they have their own car channel

  • @henryg2960
    @henryg2960 Před 3 měsíci

    I think if the jet can move slightly so that once it’s spinning fast, you can make the jet that it only hits side of titanium. May get that speed. Nice video, new sub. ✌️

  • @Gesely
    @Gesely Před rokem +2

    Love the strong bad reference

  • @chrispynaples
    @chrispynaples Před 11 měsíci

    This is the thing that keeps me up at night. 😂😊

  • @calvinwright5040
    @calvinwright5040 Před rokem

    Sounds crazy! Use 1/2 white and black too see it better. Love the video

  • @bluewaterboof82
    @bluewaterboof82 Před 3 měsíci +1

    5:28 Interesting fact: In high-power rocketry they mix titanium sponge into some of the solid fuel motors and the result is a beautiful shower of sparks from the rocket as it blasts off into the sky.

  • @thelonemoomin
    @thelonemoomin Před 11 měsíci

    As Colin Chapman once said "If you want to go faster.... just add lightness" thats your answer right there my boy. Now go get that sound barrier broken, im intrigued as to what will happen.

  • @DanielBenzs65AMG
    @DanielBenzs65AMG Před měsícem

    I didn’t like how few cuts i had on my hands so i decided to change that😂 genius!

  • @SMGPERFORMANCE16
    @SMGPERFORMANCE16 Před 11 měsíci +1

    It accounts as ALL OF IT. -certified googler here.

  • @kenny240
    @kenny240 Před 3 měsíci

    I work with CNCs, and one of my customers mass produces medical components, many of which are made from titanium (since it’s 1 of 2 metals that the body won’t reject), and it’s really not that difficult to work with compared to some other really hard alloys. Just keep a steady stream of coolant on the tools, and if you can get that coolant at a really high pressure, it’ll help break a chip. Also, having the right inserts for the job really helps.

  • @jasondweber
    @jasondweber Před 10 měsíci

    Love the strong bad reference!!!!

  • @Edgunsuk
    @Edgunsuk Před 3 měsíci +2

    m8 you are just wrong, titanium is a brilliant conductor, i make titanium knives, and you simply can't hold them for 2 grinding passes without cooling them down whereas you can make 6 in carbon steel before needing to quench, but I'm with you on the saw, takes me like 5 1mm cutting disks to cut out the shape of a 9-inch blade, and it usually kills the angle grinder, PS you can't measure it because you anodized it there is not enough color difference between the pen and background .... DOH! PPS'm also a British army-qualified gunsmith you will not get a sonic boom from it if that is what you're hoping for as it does not pass through air.

  • @Slowmo896
    @Slowmo896 Před 11 měsíci

    Ok I subbed this is cool..hope it gets better

  • @Hossdelux
    @Hossdelux Před 11 měsíci

    I was not ready for the strongbad clip hahaha

  • @alexfranklin6009
    @alexfranklin6009 Před rokem +1

    You should machine a spot for a magnet and use a hall effect sensor to get the rmp. It would also be really cool to see the power you could genarate from it.

  • @jekser2329
    @jekser2329 Před 10 měsíci

    when you used the titanium shavings as a moustache, i subbed

  • @davidwaynemain
    @davidwaynemain Před 11 měsíci

    I enjoyed the recap at 1:49
    And the joke about needing a water jet 😂😂
    I didn't know i wasnt subbed but after our lesson in French at 3:50 i checked and was not. Am now. Good stuff. Funny good. Love from Kentucky.

  • @BestinKillerBK
    @BestinKillerBK Před 11 měsíci

    The double let’s grove tonight caught my ass so off guard 😂😂

  • @benlarivee9625
    @benlarivee9625 Před rokem +1

    first video ive seen, next level commentary

  • @natedturtle
    @natedturtle Před 11 měsíci

    12am: i should probably go to bed now
    2am: Well well well, lets see what happens when you spin a titanium wheel at supersonic speeds!

  • @itwasaliens
    @itwasaliens Před 4 dny

    There is no way i would have stood close enough to get the laser reading. That looks terrifying.

  • @jwdory
    @jwdory Před 11 měsíci

    Loved how you ground extension cords.🤣🤣🤣 How many psi do you have to have to cut sandstone?

  • @DoYouuBelieveeeInLifeAfterLove

    The mass doesn't play that pivotal of a roll due to the upgraded bearing, at those speeds its main goal is just keeping the wheel balanced.

  • @cstalt
    @cstalt Před rokem

    Bearing hole was too loose. Use tighter tolerances and press fit it. Place nozzle closer to edge of wheel and make sure it’s centered on wheel width! Paint side of wheel white with a black line for contrast. Awesome vid!

  • @SeanQuinn4
    @SeanQuinn4 Před 3 měsíci

    I would be curious if having a more massive mounting solution would introduce more harmonic stability to the system. Your current setup seems secure yet lightweight/low mass, so it may be allowing that harmonic oscillation to leak more energy into the mounting setup.
    I think if you really want to get high rpms, you're going to want to clamp a high stiffness stud into an mini anvil of some kind, and get that on a thick rubber foam isolation mat.
    I think that could fit in your waterjet setup. The bearings are showing your other weak links now, and i bet if you put your hand on some of the mounting hardware while the wheel is as speed, it will be vibrating a lot. If you eliminate that loss, you'll eliminate some instability in the wheel rotational system👍

  • @erniemathews5085
    @erniemathews5085 Před rokem

    I'd much rather watch *you* wrestle with that stuff. Thanks for the work so we could watch this.

  • @powerbuilder0510
    @powerbuilder0510 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Those laser tachometers usually come with a few little reflective stick on tape markers for such cases like this

  • @tmrdarkstar85
    @tmrdarkstar85 Před 2 měsíci

    From someone that used to be a cnc machinist that worked with Titanium we used coolant / lubricant in all aspects , Ban saw had coolant/lube , As did the lathe and Mill and even then sometimes the machine would still catch fire if the coolant/ lube level was not paid attention to over the runs.
    Yes Titanium burns hot and it even requires a special extinguisher to put it out.