15 Build Your Own Electric Car: Driving the Car
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- With the electric conversion complete, let's hop in the car and go for a spin! We talk about shifting without a clutch and the electric car driving experience.
This is the final section of the original BUILD YOUR OWN ELECTRIC CAR DVD, and includes end credits and previews for other titles.
For some great ideas on different vehicles converted to electric, check out the listing at the EV Album! www.evalbum.com
This video is one segment of an instructional video I created in 2010 from a home-built electric car I made in 2008. Of course, battery and motor technology has advanced quickly since then, and affordable, commercially-built, Electric Vehicles are now a reality.
This video series covers ONE low-tech and simple way of converting a car to electric. Many of these same ideas and techniques still apply to go-karts, motorcycles, boats, and lots of other projects. We hope that you enjoy watching these videos and learn a little something from them.
There are still a few copies of the original DVD for sale. Besides the video, the set also has a DVD-ROM with photos, web clips, and documents from the project.
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Just watched the series and it was excellent, you tube is a fantastic learning tool , we should all be grateful that guys like yourselves take the time to allow the rest of us to learn and experience new things. Thank you
Thank you!
@@BenjaminNelsonX All we needed are electric wheels and battery pack, car we have. Way nobody even holy man Elon Musk don't put that on the market. It will be most ecological and economical move for the PEOPLE! Put battery pack where is the engin, change wheels and that's it.
I am new to the whole electric car thing but of the videos I've recently watched I noticed your controller has features that other builds do not. I'd like to thank you for breaking things down comprehensively and speaking clearly!
Great Video!!! Amazing to see analog electric gauges (lovely old school)! Keep the great work!
Shifting without a clutch at 7:40 ! This is what I hoped to see in the video
What a great introduction to DIY electric cars. Hope you keep these posted forever since I'm not quite ready to start my project. Thanks! Subscribed.
Really a inspiration for millions of people. Fantastic work Ben.
Outstanding in many ways. A work of art and science.
Love this series!
just watched the whole series this was a nice introduction, thank you !
Very good information! Thank you for making these videos!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Great informative series, thanks Ben
Thanks brother, That was a very awesome tutorial. In fact am very much interested to make one for myself. Am in Nairobi(Kenya)
Good work. Nice series.
Wow, congrats on the finished project!
Hay thanks Ben that was really informative an very interesting. Really appreciate your effort on the videos an for your time. All the very best from the Republic of Ireland. M
Great job! Love your videos
Truly you have inspired me towards conversions of gas to electric cars. EVs are the future. Thank you so much
cool video's and thanks good info for what I'm looking to do.
Awesome! You would want to replace every single filament (incandescent) light bulb with the LEDs too.
Also, have you ever done or thought about a Ultra capacitor bank that could step in when the high Amp demand comes and tops it self up when cruising, when breaking (have re-gen coils coupled in the drive line and also from a semi flexible solar panel put on the rough to trickle charge)... Just some ideas. Nothing you havn't thought about no doubt.
Thanks for the awesome content Ben. Cheers.
Awesome man. Apreciate that
amazing job!! congrats
You're a nice guy and a very good teacher thanks for sharing !
Thank you!
You worked so hard....like your sprit
Wonderful! just watched the whole series, really informative. Wish I could meet you in person to appreciate and admire the effort you have put in this project.
Thank you!
I loved your simple down to earth explanations for everything. I even read your story about the registration hassles you went through. I watched the whole series. Very informative, even my very creative wife could do this following your series.
Your content is incredible i lovec it
Awesome vid Ben, you've got a great channel here!
Thank you!
Well done sir! ! I'm making a list already
Great video mate
Great job . well put to gether .
Bless this dude
I stayed up very late and watched all 15 part.
Very interesting and informative video, great work! If you ever do another video on driving the car I think many people, including me, would like to see the MPH gauge included in your battery and ampere gauge, picture in picture view, just a suggestion. In closing, great work on this video!
Im planning on making a hybrid Scion FRS, and most of this seems like it will help
Bro that's awesome!
Thanks a lot. I most probably be contacting you when i am designing mine.
You have a nice way, thank you
I'm halfway thinking of doing same with my 3rd gen camaro but want to keep clutch and rwd.
T5 and 350 current setup
By not using a clutch in your conversion you will wear the gearbox synchronisms much faster. A barebones clutch and clutchplate with a reduced mass would have done the trick. However, you can not reduce to least because there is some heat dissipation taking place and you need some of the thermal inertia in the iron plate to prevent a cook off.
I've watched the series and it's great 👍🏽👍🏽. Thank you very much for sharing them through CZcams. I am just curious; since you removed the clutch from the transmission, can you change gear while you are driving like regular car?
Please just watch the video. I cover this.
czcams.com/video/B41BlafQOYU/video.html
Nice makes me think about going electric and using a home solar recharge power station for the batteries.
Hi Ben, can you share the list of components used in your car. Excellent diy video.
badass man so cool
I am saving these videos with my other automotive dreams!
I have all sorts of videos. Take a look on my channel. More videos on electric motorcycles, solar, and more!
I saved them to my *DIY* play list
verry nice video Benjamin, eric from the Nethetlands
Is the controller handling regen? And what about regen and shifting gear in the same time ? Nice job by the way ...!
It gives me many thoughts about dc to DC converters power gain during declaration or breaking / some other way to asorb power
More efficient ways .. even adding a few hundred watt solar panel to the roof possibly adding some miles to battery life. Possibly even acceleration during sunny hours. So many thoughts I guess ill find out while building my own what matters and what truly doesn't ;). Thanks for sharing
great vids ..........thanks
I think I would put the lights on a separate system batteries charged by Solar. Great vid as usual.
Hi great video :-)
Thank you sir..
Sorry for naive question. How do you switch gears while in motion? How do you disconnect shaft to select higher lower gear?
Mate. Get rid of those crimp blue connectors. A Bit of corrosion gets in there and you have a bad connection. Always solder wires or strip the wire and use a proper crimp. I am looking forward to building my own electric car. Great videos. Thanks.
Do you have more info on the voltage/amperage under say full accel to freeway speed and cruising at freeway speed? I'm interested in how it does at say 70mph.
Whats I should keep in car Do I have to keep vacuum pump in 2013 Hyundai velostor. It has electric steering.
love EVs.
you covered everything but one thing Ben ! what about the A/C & Heating ? and defrost system ?
300mpg.org/projects/electro-metro/heat/
Throughout the test drive you were not changing gears. How does the clutch work with the electric motor connected to the transmission
Hi Ben, Thanks for showing all the various stages of building an electric car. It was certainly an eye opener, the detail to work was most comprehensive.
What modifications were necessary in order to change gears without having to use a clutch mechanism, or did I miss that part?
All I do to change gears is let off the accelerator, pull the stick out of gear, wait about 1 second, put it in the next gear. That's it.
Without the weight of a flywheel or the content spin of a gas engine, it goes right into gear.
Frankly, I generally didn't shift. Much of the time I would just put the car in third gear and leave it there.
Love you very much
Basically with bits and pieces you did a Conversion the possible cheapest way,.....works!
Nice serie 👍🏼
I own a citröen C5 2,0 hdi from 01, witch I would love to convert to electric
But there are "a bit more" going on under the hood than in the metro 😏
Like the suspension, brakes and power strewing, aircon and other things I haven't thought about.
So I might be in for a pretty big job, but still I would love to do it some day
I would love to convert my old E-class. But sadly Germany's regulations are so tight and the inspection costs to get it road legal so high... that I probably get off cheaper by buying a new electric car..
brilliant.
Awesome
I really want to do a conversion like this, but school keeps getting in the way. I may do it next year... hopefully. Anyway, I was wondering, how long did your battery pack last? There is a junk yard near my house that has a ton of suitable lead batteries that can be revived and used. How many miles should I expect it to run before I need another battery replacement? Also, how many miles did your motor's brushes last?
Damn cool
That's pretty amazing! I'm so intended to do such a thing here in Brazil where the fossils combustions are way more expensive than there in the US (its a shame while our country is self sufficient petrol provider). Thanks for sharing this content with us. Cheers!
Is it because the throttle pedal is not stepped on so that the dynamo is not overloaded so there is no power going to the transmission?
Can you shift gear like normal from 1st through 5th?
Hi everybody. Super!!! Till this point can't wait to see how the accelerator its hooked up the to the motor. Or if some knows probably I missed the part lol thanks in advance
The throttle simply sends a signal to the motor controller, which then powers the motor and controls its speed.
Please see: czcams.com/video/Epg4qFfIiYY/video.html
@@BenjaminNelsonX thanks awesome job!!!
I wonder if the open source controller could be modified to give regenerative braking?
You've had that ammeter almost pegged for quite a few seconds during the drive. Have you ever blown that 175A Slow Blow fuse?
Great videos! I think that for many the range of this type of car would be too small. I could't use it to commute to work unless I lived less than 10 miles from work, I usually have been closer to 20-25. Maybe with a LiIon battery option that might be possible.
Generally, I've had a 500A fuse in the car, but I had a few salvaged lower voltage fuses in there to start. I DID blow one once when I was intentionally showing off to a friend. I was accelerating hard and had the car in a higher gear than usual (which puts more of a load on the motor, drawing more current.) Fortunately, we were very close to my house, but still embarrassing to have to walk home and get another fuse. After that, I carried a spare in the glove box, along with a single wrench required to change the fuse. Never had an issue after that...
This open source controller was never specifically designed for regenerative braking, and the motor used in this car isn't a style appropriate for regen. The ring-leader behind the project, Paul, has gone on to work on a few other projects, including building an all-purpose control board for salvaged Nissan Leaf parts. See those at: pandspowerelectronics.ecwid.com/#!/P&S-Circuit-Boards/c/16287307
The battery pack in this car (10 years ago now!) was USED lead acid. It was never high performance, but it was cheap! The entire project, including buying the car, was about $1,300. In 2018, salvaged batteries from crashed electric cars like Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts are a bargain and can provide great range!
How much power does the motor have you are using here? I'm just wondering how much power it must have for decent constant power and not overheating.
This is awesome we do not have electric car in my country Sierra Leone but after this COVID19 Problem I will send you an email to make arrangements how I can buy on to be the first to own an EV here . I am soji a renewable energy engineer
Hi, great clear videos, thankyou.... But may I ask, how did you power your power assisted steering ??
Easy. This car doesn't have power steering.
One of the reasons that I chose this car to convert to electric is because it's such a simple vehicle.
There are lots of electric power steering units out there nowadays. A person could get one from a junk yard and adapt it to their car.
It DOES have power brakes. I mounted a 12VDC vacuum pump to replace the vacuum which would have otherwise been created by the engine.
Ok I just watched your series. You went with a standard transmition without a clutch. Can you shift gears while driving and would it allow you to go faster and use less amps? I understand when you said about a automatic trans, figuring out how to attach/connect. But would be better since a automatic shifts for you as you go faster?
Here's two articles I wrote that I think answer your questions.
300mpg.org/projects/electro-metro/going-clutchless/ and 300mpg.org/projects/electro-metro/transmission-for-an-electric-car/
This is impressive, what did you do re the heater? Did you install an electric one?
I used a combination of a 12V defroster and a 120V preheat system. See more at: 300mpg.org/projects/electro-metro/heat/
What about heat? How do you run the heater?
What was u feel any draw back with power waste with battery
thanks
Great work Ben! I was wondering if your upshifting was easy because it was a series DC motor. I'm told up and down shifting with an AC motor can be a bit grindy because the motor stops spinning fairly quickly (regen does that).
I never had any issues with shifting. I'd just let off the accelerator, take the transmission out of gear, wait about a second or so to let the motor slow just a tad, then shift into the next higher gear. Frankly, most of the time, I was in either 2nd or 3rd gear, so there just wasn't that much shifting overall.
If a person is designing a clutch-less AC DIY car, then you would want to have control over regenerative braking before shifting.
My friend, Tom, did an AC powered Dodge Neon. He had a button on the stick shift that automatically set the electric motor to a certain speed. So, he would just press the button, then shift. It was slick. Search my channel for Dodge Neon for videos on his project.
czcams.com/video/KcCHNKHFTvU/video.html
@@BenjaminNelsonX I was just wondering how that could be done when I read this comment. Presumably the motor needs to spin to enable the synchromesh in the gearbox to correctly match the speed of the gear to that of the shaft as the gear is engaged. I'm guessing two rotational speed sensors are needed and some electronics to set the motor RPM to the correct speed. How is the input RPM related to the gearbox output RPM? Is it a constant ratio?
@@AnthonyHigham6414001080 Sorry, I'm not much of a transmission guy. Keep it simple. In my Geo Metro, most of the time, I just put it in 3rd gear and used it like DRIVE in an automatic. No shifting even needed. No current commercial AC motor cars use transmissions. Just single speed gear reduction.
I followed most of your videos. You look like my cousin almost in the same age as him too! we always been interested in DIYs and projects. so much respect man.
The videos are so easy to understand and steady and full of simple information!
the fact that the video quality feels like 2000ish makes it even more enjoyable.
I have a math test tomorrow but just found your channel and forgot about the test.
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I have a question by the way, *does the EV conversion work with Automatic transmission?*
if so, do you have to remove the torque converter? and on the other hand does it shift with EV low rpm?
You CAN convert a car with an automatic transmission to electric, BUT it will be more complicated and less efficient.
Just start with a manual transmission car.
Here's another option - with so many commercially-built electric cars now out there (and in just yards) you might be able to get an electric motor and the matching gear reduction unit, and put the whole thing in a car. You would then just have to hook up the drive-shafts to the wheels.
BenjaminNelson I’m definitely looking forward to follow this project on my own. I’m just low on budget as of right now. How did you do the paperworks? Any smog needed? Did you have to report the engine swap to dmv for title?
very fun.
What about heat, have you thought of a alternator mounted to a drive wheel? Thanx cool series .
I live in an area with relatively cold winters, so YES, I have thought about heat. Read about it at: 300mpg.org/projects/electro-metro/heat/
BRAVO,,,,,,,,,,,,,
great work,,how do you get away with inspections..? or how legal is to do the modifications..?
Modifications are perfectly legal. Before making modifications, check with your insurance professional and Department of Motor Vehicles. In my case, I had to have the vehicle inspected in person. Read the whole story at: 300mpg.org/2014/08/03/red-tape-and-electric-cars/
Very cool. Did you keep track of the weight difference? You added a lot but removed a lot too.
Yes, I took the car to a drive-on scale at a landscaping supply company just up the road from me. It was right around 1800 lbs when I started, and about 2,000 lbs when I was done. That's the difference in weight of one passenger.
Around 60lbs in 10gal of fuel. I originally thought it would be much heavier. Nice!
Can you Shift while moving. ?
Expected the voltage go high on acceleration,bit confused about that why? but pretty cool thanks
With any battery, as you draw a lot of current, the voltage of that battery will drop. It can be VERY noticeable in lead-acid batteries.
Lithium batteries have a much more “flat” voltage response to heavy loads.
Keep in mind that we are measuring at the battery. If we measured at the motor, it would be zero volts with foot OFF the accelerator, and whatever the maximum battery pack voltage is with the accelerator all the way down.
@@BenjaminNelsonX thanks and now I do understand the point.
thats all great but how many batteries and how did u hook them up??????
The original setup in the car was only 72V - six 12V batteries connected in series.
I've run the same motor setup at up to 144VDC - twelves 12V batteries in series.
Thank you for the videos! What are the issues I would run into if i were to go with a direct drive instead of using a transmission? slow acceleration and trouble with steep hills? less efficiency with stopping and going?
All of the above...
Generally, we think of "Direct Drive" as placing a motor right on the driveshaft.
Hub motors directly drive an individual wheel and are popular on electric bicycles, but tend to be heavy and inefficient and have "unsprung weight".
Trucks sometimes have a motor (or two "Siamese" motors) connected directly to the driveshaft.
Most electric motors are designed to spin faster and then be geared down for their actual power output. Using a motor at low speeds, high torque, and high current, tends to mean poor acceleration, issues with heat, and needing a large and powerful battery pack.
It CAN work well with a large motor for something like a drag-racer, but for typical real-work driving, we usually have a motor running through a gear reduction somewhere around 8:1.
In a small front-wheel drive car like this Geo Metro, I don't know how you would do anything one might consider "direct drive". Attaching a motor to the existing transmission is the most logical and straight-forward thing to do.
300mpg.org/projects/electro-metro/transmission-for-an-electric-car/
@@BenjaminNelsonX Thank you for the reply. You gave me all the information I was looking for. The setup I was thinking was pretty much exactly how the students did it in the van you salvaged a while back.. Maybe a Siemens/dmoc 645 combo, in a van, mounted where the transmission would be and attached to the driveshaft with a u-joint.. No need for crazy acceleration and all that. czcams.com/video/sgYURJryI_4/video.html
Can we know the difference with an automatic transmission car
Nice series no doubt, just wondering did you consider doing regenerative braking to?
the problem with brushed dc motors is that you can't have regen braking, because in order to do so, the magnetic fields created by the battery ( electro magnet) would have to rotate inside of the coils of the stator to produce energy ( just like in an alternator), but since the magnetic fields are set in one place and can't rotate, you can't produce any energy
Isai De La Vega I was thinking about AC motor as replacement for current DC he is using...
Warlock I too prefer ac motors rather than DC, and with an Ac motor You can use regen braking
Thank you sir.. For this perfect knowledge.... For this vehicle, does it require license?? And any permissions required to build it???
This is a regular car. It needed nothing special beyond standard requirements.
Rules on motor vehicles vary greatly from one state and country to another. Make sure to check your local requirements before beginning a project.
czcams.com/video/NY1LUdk0BhM/video.html
Do you use recuperation? And can you find some aluminum rims + neodymium magnets for the rear axle, for some little experiments with eddy current ? :-D
Fortunately, in the us, you have something easier to test something like that 😁👍
Do you have regenerative on deceleration?
Does your car draw more amps because your meter only goes to 300 amps?
This is an old-school DC Series-Wound motor. They do NOT naturally work for regenerative braking.
The ammeter has nothing to do with how much power the motor CAN draw.
I only had a 300A ammeter, but I was using a 500A motor controller.
The ammeter just pegs all the way to the top if I hit the accelerator hard.
at 7:35 minutes, when the gearshift from gear 2 to neutral then you move to gear 3 without a clutch plate, is it not going to damage the gear, given the dynamo still spinning and turning the presneling. how is the explanation?
Well finding the sweetspot is the key i assume
Benjamin nelson are you going to do an upgrade to lithium ion batteries to your geo?
I built this car 13 years ago. Unfortunately, car uni-bodies don't last forever in my area with all the salt we use on the roads in the winter. This car has been retired. (I kept the motor and other EV components.)
If I still had this car, YES. I would upgrade to lithium. Other than used lead-acid batteries, I was always very happy with how the project turned out!
Could you hook up a generator to kick on when the batteries start getting low or just have a generator running at all times?
Yes. That would be a "Plug-In Hybrid".
I experimented for a while with an LP generator in the car.
czcams.com/video/xXVi-g4jWqI/video.html
Here's a whole write up on it: www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Plug-In-Hybrid-Car/
Mother Earth News used to have plans for a hybrid car that had a mid size lawn mower engine under the hood with a 300 amp Sears generator. After 20 miles you could pull the lawn mower engine to recharge the batteries and have a really long range. You might think of trying that for your next project.
I have a set of those plans! I was at an event one time and somebody gave them to me!
I later did experiment with running this car as a hybrid. I used a propane generator I got from a friend who is an RV mechanic. Overall, it worked pretty well. You can see videos on it at: czcams.com/play/PL34AB83CBC78800E4.html
Besides charging the EV at home. Where are the charging stations located? You know, like fuel stations? Besides that, I'm hooked. I'm gonna start planning ASAP.
I was very impressed and the end of the video when you pulled into your driveway and stopped in front of the camera and how quiet the car sounded. Nobody would hear you coming, lol.
There are thousands of public EV charging stations out there A great place to search for them is at: www.plugshare.com
Thank you for the info.