Why Captive Tigers Can’t Be Reintroduced to the Wild | WIRED

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  • Netflix's "Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness" has opened up the world's eyes to big cat ownership in America. Outside all the headlines-generating drama, the documentary casts some light onto the big cat black market. In the US, Tigers are illegally being sold, bred and kept as pets. Dr. John Goodrich, Chief Scientist and Tiger Program Director for Panthera, the global wild cat conservation organization, sits down with WIRED to talk about these concerns. Can these captive animals be reintroduced into the wild? Is it ever possible for a tiger to actually make a good pet?
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  • @mugin11223344
    @mugin11223344 Před 4 lety +5131

    No matter who wins, the big cats lose.

    • @hugozaanen7587
      @hugozaanen7587 Před 4 lety +61

      Carole baskins buys these tigers that get trafict, baskins actually uses her resources for a higher better goal then someone that runs a sexcult, was/is a drug pin or held teenagers captive with drugs.

    • @zickykane5206
      @zickykane5206 Před 4 lety +105

      @@hugozaanen7587 You're a complete idiot.

    • @hugozaanen7587
      @hugozaanen7587 Před 4 lety +14

      @@cn2673 that's sensationalist bullhshit

    • @hugozaanen7587
      @hugozaanen7587 Před 4 lety +21

      @@cn2673the murder is completely shaky at best. The cages is circumstancely, do they need more space, yes. Is it available, no. Not because she wants to cramp up these creatures. They cannot be left loose in the wild.

    • @oddbackgroundmusic8683
      @oddbackgroundmusic8683 Před 4 lety +29

      @@cn2673 The animals have smaller cages attached to their larger enclosure specifically so they can eat separately to prevent fighting. That is not their full time living environment. They are only in there for at most a few minutes, twice a day.

  • @rebeccaparke3453
    @rebeccaparke3453 Před 4 lety +4888

    With all the commentary about the various other crimes Joe Exotic and his friends have commited, it is honestly refreshing to hear an expert clearly state how this treatment of big cats is wrong and downright unethical.

    • @AwkwardYet
      @AwkwardYet Před 4 lety +22

      I thought that would be anything but unnoticeable

    • @homewall744
      @homewall744 Před 4 lety +15

      Unethical to raise captive tiger suggest it's better to just lose tigers since they will continue to diminish in the wild.

    • @jorgemendez4517
      @jorgemendez4517 Před 4 lety +31

      Same as that Carol Baskins

    • @taraterm3
      @taraterm3 Před 4 lety +54

      @@jorgemendez4517 who is the heroine here...help her support the Big Cat Safety Act.

    • @StAlchemyst
      @StAlchemyst Před 4 lety +42

      Shut up Carol.

  • @adamgrogory
    @adamgrogory Před 4 lety +2539

    "What happens to all those tigers? We don't know."
    That's insane.

    • @Ekaekto
      @Ekaekto Před 4 lety +91

      They are likely euthanized.

    • @Leo-zk9rd
      @Leo-zk9rd Před 4 lety +72

      Maybe sold for pelts or to China for medicine

    • @Redblueboy11
      @Redblueboy11 Před 4 lety +9

      adamgrogory they want to euthanize an endangered species.

    • @taniabn
      @taniabn Před 4 lety +32

      @@Leo-zk9rd that would be impractical, they would have to raise them fully for that (they disappear when they are less than six months old), which is very costly, since feeding a big cat it's outrageously expensive. Not even considering the costs of transportation of such a cargo to another continent.
      They are most likely euthanized or illegally sold to other people as pets

    • @Leo-zk9rd
      @Leo-zk9rd Před 4 lety +26

      @@taniabn you underestimate how much money there is to be made in the wildlife trade

  • @renleblanc2993
    @renleblanc2993 Před 4 lety +1359

    I'm going to commend the interviewer here - great questions and very well conducted interview!

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +5

      Yes, the questions that the doc should have asked

    • @tawandachristopher
      @tawandachristopher Před 4 lety +1

      Ren LeBlanc icedwhite mocha Truth Convoy people should avoid zoos and just visit game reserves in Africa (Tanzania) or India
      www.zanzibartourstransfers.com

    • @abdullahsagheer6543
      @abdullahsagheer6543 Před 4 lety

      Exactly, straight to the point no BS

    • @gd4812
      @gd4812 Před 4 lety

      Absolutely! many journalists seems to think that every interview is about themselves and not about the subject!

  • @liv97497
    @liv97497 Před 4 lety +678

    I love cats, and I absolutely LOVE big cats, and it would be an absolute dream to pet or hug a little tiger or lion cub. But I would never, in a million years, do it. Loving animals is about recognizing what's best for *them*, not indulging your crazy dreams to hold them or have them as a pet. Keeping a wild animal for yourself, or giving money to places that do that kind of thing, is the epitome of human selfishness. Animals do not exist for our entertainment.

    • @borealernadelwald
      @borealernadelwald Před 4 lety +41

      Tigers have always been one of my absolute favourite animals - so of course I'd love to cuddle a tiger. but I'm the same as you - I like animals to be able to live as true to their nature as possible. Watching Tiger King made me so angry, seeing big groups of tigers in small cages (they are solitary animals, goddamnit!) and the cubs being taken as soon as they are born just to be exploited for a few months. My heart is bleeding for those poor animals.

    • @lauryn5701
      @lauryn5701 Před 4 lety +17

      Texas Forever We don’t OWN wild animals.

    • @lauryn5701
      @lauryn5701 Před 4 lety +18

      Texas Forever The only thing you own is the trailer in the woods. Sit Down. Be QUIET. 🤫

    • @lauryn5701
      @lauryn5701 Před 4 lety +13

      Texas Forever Hushhhh 🤫 I think your mammy is calling you to eat your roadkill. If you help her set the dinner table, then you might be able to go huntin tomorrow.

    • @DeanaJacksonFrazier
      @DeanaJacksonFrazier Před 4 lety +16

      @Texas Forever The difference is dogs and cats are domesticated and tigers are not.

  • @NightshadeGoddess
    @NightshadeGoddess Před 4 lety +2169

    The thing I hated the most about ALL of the people (edit: in the show) is that they honestly believe that they do the best for these animals by keeping them in small cages and hitting them when they do what a big cat do. Also the excessive breeding and then stealing of the cubs can't be good for the tiger mothers well being...

    • @tessat338
      @tessat338 Před 4 lety +164

      In the wild, tigers breed every two years or so. In captivity, the female tigers are often bred as soon after they deliver as possible, as many as two or three times a year. This is terrible for them as they are not meant to reproduce this often. They end up having all sorts of health problems.

    • @taraterm3
      @taraterm3 Před 4 lety +116

      not Carole. Shes fighting for the tigers, visit her Big Cat Sanctuary website. Her cages are truly bigger than the show let on.She doesnt breed animals, she doesnt put on shows. Tours are held to pay for their care.

    • @LuuMonty
      @LuuMonty Před 4 lety +49

      taraterm3 she a murderer too

    • @jajaonnazaza
      @jajaonnazaza Před 4 lety +81

      taraterm3 I’m not defending neither Joe or Carole because she’s a hypocrite too because she’s still keeping Tigers and not breeding them in the way they can be reintroduced into the wild, most zoos have a program that breeds wild animals in large enclosures with very little human contact so they can keep their prime genetical instincts. So yea Carole really isn’t doing much as a so called “animal rights activist”

    • @NightshadeGoddess
      @NightshadeGoddess Před 4 lety +52

      @@jajaonnazaza yeah my thoughts exactly, she also bred these animals for the longest time. I think she's only found a better business model in this animal "industry" by pretending to be against breeding and such.

  • @caramelcoffees
    @caramelcoffees Před 4 lety +750

    it really bothered me that Tiger King engages so much in the drama and titillating gossip but never really addresses the animal abuse or WHY people like Joe and Doc are faced with so much criticism

    • @rzr2ffe325
      @rzr2ffe325 Před 4 lety +18

      The script was written to be entertaining.

    • @noodles1291
      @noodles1291 Před 4 lety +55

      caramel coffee it’s only purpose is to be dramatic. It’s misrepresentative on all fronts

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +13

      Jackson Galaxy covers this, as does this video.
      For info on how to contact your state rep to pass the Big Cat law, visit aldf.org. all you have to do is enter your name and zip code. It finds your rep, creates the letter, you click on "send"

    • @tawandachristopher
      @tawandachristopher Před 4 lety

      caramel coffee icedwhite mocha Truth Convoy people should avoid zoos and just visit game reserves in Africa (Tanzania) or India
      www.zanzibartourstransfers.com

    • @kK-ox7rk
      @kK-ox7rk Před 4 lety +8

      Well the documentary is about Joe......

  • @bjs301
    @bjs301 Před 4 lety +876

    A central Ohio man who had his own private wild animal park released his entire collection before killing himself in 2011. Law enforcement agencies had to find and kill about 50 bears, wolves, tigers, lions and so forth. Columbus Zoo officials were able to capture only a handful of animals alive. That's what it took to get legislation passed to outlaw private ownership of exotic animals here.

    • @rzr2ffe325
      @rzr2ffe325 Před 4 lety +43

      Those cops got to do something rare that day. Something they probably will never again in their careers. And that was gun down tigers by the bucketload.

    • @stevet5379
      @stevet5379 Před 4 lety +80

      Pathetic beyond description.

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +6

      For a form letter for your state rep, go to aldf.org and enter your name, zip code, and click "send"

    • @bjs301
      @bjs301 Před 4 lety +3

      @@LindaC616 Don't need one. As I mentioned, Ohio outlawed the practice following the 2011 incident.

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +19

      @@bjs301
      This is in regards to the national act, which would Ban private ownership at the national level. Your state representatives do have a vote in that discussion

  • @reachon7396
    @reachon7396 Před 4 lety +122

    Honestly i was completely uninformed about this, the thought did cross my mind, like why stop in captivity breeding if its an endangered species, but this interview explained it very well, support conservation zoos not roadside zoos

    • @professorbutters
      @professorbutters Před 4 lety +2

      Reachon Yep! The way I do it is, I donate to a sanctuary to take care of the ones here humanely, donate to an AZA zoo to help preserve actual species, and donate to Panthera, which tries to preserve habitat and keep wild tigers where they belong. It’s not tons of money, but every little bit helps. Check out Panthera for sure. They also have cool T shirts. And nobody paid me to say that.

  • @LagParty
    @LagParty Před 4 lety +421

    Why would someone want to own a huge, difficult to maintain and feed tiger when you can have a domestic cat that will treat you exactly the same?

    • @dl2839
      @dl2839 Před 4 lety +16

      Because they are crazy. I don't think that it should be illegal to own Tigers though, if you do that then you should make owning cats illegal, too.

    • @bxttersweetheart
      @bxttersweetheart Před 4 lety +106

      @@dl2839 Cats aren't the same thing as tigers even though they are both felinae and share common characteristics. Cats can live perfectly healthy and long lives as pets, they aren't an endangered species and they have been domesticated since remote times. Also, a cat can't kill you just by playing with you, unlike a Tiger. I don't see how you're making it as if Tigers = Cats

    • @dl2839
      @dl2839 Před 4 lety +10

      @@bxttersweetheart Should it have been illegal to domesticate Cats in the first place? Should it have been illegal to domesticate Dogs? Dogs can kill humans and they certainly could when they were wolves. Making things illegal just because you disagree with the practice is no way to run society.

    • @Inumakieyes
      @Inumakieyes Před 4 lety +43

      David Lieberman it’s illegal because they are one of the fiercest cats and will kill you in an instant if they want. And it has happened many times, then you are left with an endangered pet that’s stuck in their closure or they get loose and kill more people. It’s simple logic to see why it’s illegal. I don’t care about talking about the domestication of cats or dogs. Simply put, they are too big and dangerous to be kept as a pet

    • @dl2839
      @dl2839 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Inumakieyes Ever since Henry Ford tamed the model T around the American Mid-west in 1908, they have killed many humans in an instant when they want to. If people used your Simple-*ton* logic we would've banned the ownership of the dangerous and fierce beasts known as cars a hundred years ago.

  • @MJ-mp1fx
    @MJ-mp1fx Před 4 lety +207

    How hard would it have been for the Tiger King miniseries to include this info? They really missed an opportunity to say something important.

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +33

      Sadly I fear that it's because the average American mind doesn't want anything that sounds like school, and they would just turn off. They're catering to the reality TV crowd who need bright and shiny every 30 seconds

    • @EmeraldMara85
      @EmeraldMara85 Před 4 lety +24

      The Tiger King series was created by a very rich man, Eric Goode who has no trouble firing his staff during Covid-19 with no warning period. These kind of people is only around to make publicity and money while damning everyone else.

    • @mrteezy3915
      @mrteezy3915 Před 4 lety +3

      This info was in the show

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +5

      @@EmeraldMara85
      And the director a bit of a collector himself...

  • @veggiesama
    @veggiesama Před 4 lety +386

    This video should be required viewing for anybody who watches an episode of Tiger King.

    • @mollieconstance2159
      @mollieconstance2159 Před 4 lety +4

      Watching the show is just supporting it anyway since it’s not gonna stop anytime soon :/

    • @shanequenzer871
      @shanequenzer871 Před 4 lety +3

      This video wouldn’t exist without the tiger king moron

    • @EmeraldMara85
      @EmeraldMara85 Před 4 lety +1

      Or...you could just watch a summary of it in less than 20 minutes(instead of wasting too much time). And I don't want to give anything to Eric Goode who is very rich and yet fired his restaurant staff without any warning during this pandemic.

    • @andreiryancaballero8327
      @andreiryancaballero8327 Před 4 lety +1

      No, thank you.

    • @mandaryanne815
      @mandaryanne815 Před 4 lety +1

      I just refuse to watch it.

  • @mrblackbird6936
    @mrblackbird6936 Před 4 lety +94

    Sending a domesticated tiger in the wild is like sending a civilian to war with no training.

    • @mrblackbird6936
      @mrblackbird6936 Před 4 lety +23

      @Arrow Boy ik but it will struggle with survival. Imagine a tiger born in captivity. Food is given to most of it life, it not used to hunting. Plus, their habitat is being taken over by urbanization and for the tiger it entire life, they associated humans with food. This can lead to them being easily killed by farmers. Some wild tigers dont hang around human territory.

    • @kitwhitfield7169
      @kitwhitfield7169 Před 4 lety +9

      Maybe more like releasing a completely institutionalised person into society with no education, life skills or training.

    • @markburn4943
      @markburn4943 Před 4 lety +7

      Well if stray dogs and cats can survive I'm sure a hungry tiger in the wild will find a way to eat

    • @michaelgibbons4297
      @michaelgibbons4297 Před 4 lety +11

      Mark Burn key word stray they weren’t raised by humans

    • @markburn4943
      @markburn4943 Před 4 lety +2

      @@michaelgibbons4297 how do u think strays become strays guy somebody owned them at some point or another and we talking bout a 500lb tiger even tigers in captivity still have instincts

  • @highestqualitypigiron
    @highestqualitypigiron Před 4 lety +187

    They're such a special animal, it would be horrible to see them go extinct

    • @4belozero
      @4belozero Před 4 lety +1

      Lucian Leesonja that won’t happen

    • @senordoge2674
      @senordoge2674 Před 4 lety

      el negaro they’ll downsize to dog level

    • @vijg6914
      @vijg6914 Před 4 lety +2

      habitat conservation

    • @taylorf8758
      @taylorf8758 Před 4 lety

      Glad we can say that about animals but not races lol

  • @tylerjacobson8012
    @tylerjacobson8012 Před 4 lety +1847

    The title of this video should’ve been. “The actual important things that the stupid joe exotic tiger documentary forgot to talk about”. The ultimate victims in that stupid documentary is the tigers. They’re not built for captivity. They’re not meant to be domesticated.

    • @JoeyKlu
      @JoeyKlu Před 4 lety +9

      *Bump*

    • @aleahl4765
      @aleahl4765 Před 4 lety +78

      thank you for finally saying it. and them victimizing Joe Exotic

    • @homewall744
      @homewall744 Před 4 lety +11

      So it's better to have no tigers than captive ones? After all, captive tigers don't diminish the wild populations, and nobody really wants wild tigers.

    • @redheadedwoman
      @redheadedwoman Před 4 lety +43

      Thank you! So sick of all the hype and everyone ignoring the fact that tigers are not pets!

    • @CatIsMad
      @CatIsMad Před 4 lety +50

      Idk tbh it's kinda stupid to blame the documentary. They were just filming what was going on. Blame the people actually keeping the tigers

  • @falseflag7680
    @falseflag7680 Před 4 lety +707

    There’s no excuse for animal abuse!

  • @melantus
    @melantus Před 4 lety +415

    Did anyone skin crawl a little when that tiger roared at the end of the video. Yeesh, I don't know how anyone could think having one as pet is a good idea.

  • @Riley-iw4ot
    @Riley-iw4ot Před 4 lety +165

    THANK YOU for talking about what no one else is! This is what they should have talked about in the documentary, really disappointed in Netflix. Thank you for interviewing an actual expert and talking about the important issues.

    • @G83tv
      @G83tv Před 4 lety

      magicalgirlriley they did talk about this but it cut out.

  • @livf891
    @livf891 Před 4 lety +116

    It rly angers me that there are people buying “free joe exotic” tshirts. They’re so ignorant to the actual issues of the topic

    • @levyroth
      @levyroth Před 4 lety +1

      What's the actual issue? Joe is against the breeding and selling of big cats in the US. He proved his point by doing exactly that. The laws need to change.

    • @megalodon4586
      @megalodon4586 Před 4 lety +9

      @@levyroth People should listen to his employees, they all hate him for a reason. Netflix didn't show the worst of him.

    • @professorbutters
      @professorbutters Před 4 lety +1

      He’s a convicted animal abuser. The evidence is right on camera. I don’t wish him worse than what he has, but he needs a good long time to think about what he did. And based on some footage with Louis Theroux years ago, I don’t know if he could be trusted. He’d probably start up all over again, like someone who hoards cats or worse.

    • @alextran8188
      @alextran8188 Před 4 lety +1

      #FreeJoeExotic

    • @werroloco3112
      @werroloco3112 Před 4 lety

      You should be angry over things that matter

  • @raulruizdevelasco6215
    @raulruizdevelasco6215 Před 4 lety +16

    This video was so refreshing to watch. Its content is so much more educational than the actual documentary. Thank you so much, Wired!

  • @Crest28
    @Crest28 Před 4 lety +385

    Tiger king documentary has actually glorified domesticating big cats versus raising awareness on the actual crisis of big cats

    • @rzr2ffe325
      @rzr2ffe325 Před 4 lety +57

      If you're a simple minded viewer maybe.

    • @taylorkenyon1447
      @taylorkenyon1447 Před 4 lety +1

      tyson thao that’s how I viewed it too.

    • @9hoppybunny
      @9hoppybunny Před 4 lety +38

      ....how? the documentary clearly shows that these cats are mishandled, and portrays everyone who supports their captivity as kind of an idiot

    • @nairabee245
      @nairabee245 Před 4 lety +23

      Rzr2ffe a surprising amount of people are simple minded...

    • @getasimbe
      @getasimbe Před 4 lety +9

      @@rzr2ffe325 Exactly. I'm starting to realize that most people might be kind of simple because some of these comments are just head scratchers.

  • @goldeneagle295
    @goldeneagle295 Před 4 lety +112

    Thank you for making a video like this to explain why breeding tigers does nothing to help the wild populations, but only helps the people who breed them and exploit them for profit

  • @ogami1972
    @ogami1972 Před 4 lety +390

    "WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT ALL THESE TIGERS?".
    Godammit, america.

    • @onkelpappkov2666
      @onkelpappkov2666 Před 4 lety +20

      The answer was in the video. Tiger parts sell extremely well on the esoteric black market. Because tiger balls make your pee-pee stronk if you pray to Zukzuk.

    • @tawandachristopher
      @tawandachristopher Před 4 lety +2

      Michael Corley icedwhite mocha Truth Convoy people should avoid zoos and just visit game reserves in Africa (Tanzania) or India
      www.zanzibartourstransfers.com

    • @marquesproductions6098
      @marquesproductions6098 Před 4 lety

      Michael Corley free my guy joe

    • @pound4pound380
      @pound4pound380 Před 4 lety +5

      No where. Its no different than just throwing your dog out into the jungle. The domestic tiger population isn't a problem. I'm worried about the the tigers getting killed in the wild

    • @odanobuniggy3853
      @odanobuniggy3853 Před 4 lety

      Onkel Pappkov zukzuk? Please elaborate lol

  • @leeolsson5271
    @leeolsson5271 Před 4 lety +33

    Thank you so much for this! Somebody needed to bring this up!

  • @theonetheonlyw5483
    @theonetheonlyw5483 Před 4 lety +43

    All "domesticated" big cats should have their own massive sanctuary somewhere together.

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +1

      The ones that exist are doing what they can. Because each cat requires a large amount of acreage 1 big 1 would probably not be manageable. The one in Colorado is pretty huge.

    • @mints7349
      @mints7349 Před 4 lety +9

      Thats basically what Big Cats Rescue with Carole...Funny that the only person actively fighting it was vilified...

    • @gingerbadjie9670
      @gingerbadjie9670 Před 4 lety +2

      It’s called the wild. But humans are destroying it. Day by day. That’s where they need to be. Not behind bars.

    • @Coolrunnings007
      @Coolrunnings007 Před 4 lety +2

      kaki ob yeah because she killed her husband. Come on her cages smaller and not particularly good or even natural habitat. So nah she is not good

    • @spacesharkz6743
      @spacesharkz6743 Před 4 lety +7

      @@Coolrunnings007 Obviously you've never been there before. I volunteered for a short time, their habitats are not small, and they are very well maintained. All tigers have a pool, some even have a portion of a lake to swim in, and their lynx has an indoor air conditioned area for when he needs to cool down. BCR is part of the Global Federation of Animal Sanctuaries... so yeah, they're "good". Do your research.

  • @peoplesdreamsneverend2709
    @peoplesdreamsneverend2709 Před 4 lety +29

    9:17 You can see the suffering in its eyes. That's terrible

    • @PseudoLlama
      @PseudoLlama Před 4 lety +2

      I don't know... It looks like it got into cocaine.

    • @entropicpedro
      @entropicpedro Před 3 lety

      It looks like it's been given drugs

  • @bendizer04
    @bendizer04 Před 4 lety +25

    Thank you for asking the right questions. Watching that documentary on Netflix was grueling and depressing. Everyone in that show deserves to be behind bars and we should not allow private ownership of these beautiful creatures.

    • @gaylebaker8419
      @gaylebaker8419 Před 4 lety

      That's why Big Cat Rescue promotes the Big Cat Public Safety Act. Contact your Representative and Senators and ask them to support it.

  • @wellsr9280
    @wellsr9280 Před 4 lety +8

    Most tiger cubs actually die while being smuggled in foreign countries. How sad is that. The smugglers literally follow pregnant tigers around and then steal their babies. People are so awful.

  • @icedmocha5264
    @icedmocha5264 Před 4 lety +449

    Too bad Tiger King never focused on any of this. Shame on the documentary.

    • @tawandachristopher
      @tawandachristopher Před 4 lety +2

      icedwhite mocha Truth Convoy people should avoid zoos and just visit game reserves in Africa (Tanzania) or India
      www.zanzibartourstransfers.com

    • @ssh1487
      @ssh1487 Před 4 lety +3

      Louis Theroux’s 14th (i think?) episode on netflix featuring joe exotic is the zoo ethics documentary i was expecting tiger king to be

    • @ssh1487
      @ssh1487 Před 4 lety

      Louis Theroux’s 14th (i think?) episode on netflix featuring joe exotic is the zoo ethics documentary i was expecting tiger king to be

    • @marquesproductions6098
      @marquesproductions6098 Před 4 lety +1

      icedwhite mocha free my guy joe

    • @jessicamessica6327
      @jessicamessica6327 Před 4 lety +3

      Jackson Galaxy did a video on where the documentary failed.

  • @failtolawl
    @failtolawl Před 4 lety +22

    this 10 minute video spent more time on tiger conservation then the entire documentary series.

  • @phaslow4393
    @phaslow4393 Před 4 lety

    One of the best short videos ever on this issue. Thank you

  • @dylansimpson7831
    @dylansimpson7831 Před 4 lety +7

    Really hope more people see this. I've seen a lot of people on the internet thinking tigers make good pets and supporting the industry after watching tiger king

  • @writerconsidered
    @writerconsidered Před 4 lety +102

    We never domesticated big cats, we domesticated small cats, there's a reason for that.

    • @jorgemendez4517
      @jorgemendez4517 Před 4 lety +17

      Wel...because small cats hunt pests and big cats don’t

    • @chapterrv
      @chapterrv Před 4 lety +8

      Not sure if you noticed, but your entire comment rhymes

    • @suckapunch565
      @suckapunch565 Před 4 lety +8

      Actually, Ancient Egypt domesticated cheetahs, which is why cheetahs up to a year old can be tamed by humans.
      www.thevintagenews.com/2018/12/22/egyptians-cheetah/

    • @roshn.i
      @roshn.i Před 4 lety +1

      @@suckapunch565 they meow too

    • @a.k.salazr
      @a.k.salazr Před 4 lety +9

      suckapunch565 tamed and domesticated are not the same

  • @kirchoff4733
    @kirchoff4733 Před 4 lety +81

    Netflix Series never mentioned this once. Instead it presented Big Cat Rescue as a private zoo just like this breeding faciliy Joe Exotic was running.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Před 4 lety +9

      Well that's because it is a private zoo, on top of that it's not accredited by the AZA and most of it pens are smaller than Joe exotic's zoo. Also you are lying Carole says herself on the show that she doesn't breed them and just let's them grow old and die. So the documentary does make it clear she doesn't breed.

    • @icedmocha5264
      @icedmocha5264 Před 4 lety +21

      Yes. It's horrible how they misrepresented BCR. This documentary hasn''t done anything for BIG cats.

    • @julianrender8212
      @julianrender8212 Před 4 lety +25

      @@Alex-cw3rz it's not a private zoo. It's a sanctuary. It's a big difference.

    • @atomknight8361
      @atomknight8361 Před 4 lety +23

      @@Alex-cw3rz BCR isn't accredited by the AZA because they don't breed. Did you even watch the video?

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety +15

      @@Alex-cw3rz
      No, it is not accredited by the USDA as a zoo. That is Joe and Antle, because the USDA does not distinguish between professionally run AZA accredited zoos and roadside zoos like Joe's and Antle's which are ZAA accredited (basically, an organization that advocates for private ownership of exotics). Because Carol's does not breed, she qualifies as a sanctuary. They are accredited by the GFAS, which is hard to get and maintain.

  • @Greystorm1619
    @Greystorm1619 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video, I wish they had included some of this in the actual documentary

  • @LucknowCreator369
    @LucknowCreator369 Před 4 lety +2

    Every time when I see these magnificent animals in captivity,I felt extremely sorry and sad for them.
    I have seen these animals roaming in the Jungles of the Tarai region of the U.P, India, and can see in my imagination their beauty and grandeur whenever I wish to relive with them.

  • @SeymourDisapproves
    @SeymourDisapproves Před 4 lety +55

    "Animals that have never lived in the wild don't know how to behave in the wild."
    *Wow, who'da thunk?*

    • @stanley-elmagico
      @stanley-elmagico Před 4 lety

      It's actually correct even lions bred in captivity find it hard adjusting in wild with no regular timed meals

  • @ThatShyGuyMatt
    @ThatShyGuyMatt Před 4 lety +39

    It's ashame how people lost focus on the big cats of Tiger King. I mean their story of the industry is in there, but in the end people only talk about the humans. Even though Carol may be "less bad" when it comes to her rescue, there are still issues that remain.

  • @jasminewilliams1673
    @jasminewilliams1673 Před 4 lety +2

    I love how Carol baskin is so hated but she actually brought up some of these points talking about taking in the tigers only for the to liv and die in captivity

  • @dadoorsron
    @dadoorsron Před 4 lety +100

    The name of this show should be. "The Day in the life of an out of control Hill billie"

  • @safaa9654
    @safaa9654 Před 4 lety +128

    People watching that stupid show totally missed the point. Its extremely sad

  • @charleslaine
    @charleslaine Před 4 lety +72

    Next we need a show about animal cruelty at rodeos. Same thing, different animals.

    • @mitocaf1
      @mitocaf1 Před 4 lety +1

      Charles Laine they won’t talk about that, there’s was a channel that was trying to shut the rodeos but didn’t get support ..!!

    • @vucrew6096
      @vucrew6096 Před 4 lety

      Rodeos are just riding legally owned farmed longhorns. Those who want it banned have no idea what happens inside

    • @gradientmapabuser9875
      @gradientmapabuser9875 Před 4 lety

      Rodeos?

    • @sunshine3914
      @sunshine3914 Před 4 lety

      Livestock takes a lot less to maintain than your typical 200 lbs. wild animal.
      What you need to see is what goes on inside the slaughterhouses.
      Also, they need to expose many of the so-called dog “rescues” that breed & sell dogs.

  • @tyronetb3
    @tyronetb3 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank yall for this video, I found exactly what I searched for and more!

  • @Ashcash95
    @Ashcash95 Před 4 lety

    I need a video like this it answers a lot of questions about tigers and conservation, especially since Tigers are my favorite animals, & big cats being my favorite species. Truly an informative video.

  • @rowanwhy267
    @rowanwhy267 Před 4 lety +47

    Tiger: **slow blinks**
    No one:
    Not a soul:
    Me: **slow blinks back**

  • @technomancer4862
    @technomancer4862 Před 4 lety +7

    “Life, Uh, Finds a way” -Ian Malcolm

  • @groundzonepilot7536
    @groundzonepilot7536 Před 4 lety

    Very educational video, I enjoyed watching this 🐅

  • @solar0wind
    @solar0wind Před 4 lety +31

    I'm sad that in the documentary Big Cat Rescue was shown in such a bad light. They educate people about the issue of roadside zoos and are the only hope for many big cats that would otherwise have been killed. Also, the enclosures are much bigger than shown in the documentary.

  • @maryrabelo.s.wagner8346
    @maryrabelo.s.wagner8346 Před 4 lety +6

    For a second I read: Why can't stupid humans be abandoned and totally forgotten FOREVER into the wild?
    The fewer stupid people in this world the better.

    • @Laotzu.Goldbug
      @Laotzu.Goldbug Před 4 lety

      See that's a problem. One time we send all the stupid people to an island, and we just got Australia

  • @markobajramoski5661
    @markobajramoski5661 Před 4 lety +73

    I am just mad at humanity

    • @sirice1725
      @sirice1725 Před 4 lety

      As I continued eating meat LOL

    • @durktank5001
      @durktank5001 Před 4 lety +3

      yeah theres just so many flaws about humanity, countless problems even though we are the smartest organism on this planet.

    • @mr.x2567
      @mr.x2567 Před 4 lety

      Get a gun and shoot as many people who decide to step out of their house.

    • @FifaMaestroAdam
      @FifaMaestroAdam Před 4 lety

      @@sirice1725 tigers eat meat too

    • @CoolDrifty
      @CoolDrifty Před 4 lety

      The wild sucks, they’re better off in captivity

  • @kishores7034
    @kishores7034 Před 4 lety

    The questions were very good
    The interviewer & the guy answering are Top Notch

  • @Lannylog222
    @Lannylog222 Před 4 lety

    I love that this was all about the real issues! Something together kind both failed to do and failed to inspire in most. Bravo to Wired!

  • @mostlyharmlessrc3920
    @mostlyharmlessrc3920 Před 4 lety +5

    That's the right message - thanks Wired!

    • @dl2839
      @dl2839 Před 4 lety

      No it isn't, people should be allowed to keep their Tigers.

    • @ech78928
      @ech78928 Před 4 lety +2

      David Lieberman But why? More importantly why is it ever a good idea to own something like a Tiger in Captive?

  • @mikevasquez1103
    @mikevasquez1103 Před 4 lety +58

    Domestic Tigers are also non viable to re introduced into the wild because of poachers. Call it what you will but domestic Tigers should be seen as a stop gap against extinction and treated accordingly. I will agree absolutely that they should not be pets or curiosities because that is not their purpose.

    • @pyrovania
      @pyrovania Před 4 lety +6

      There was a genetic study of domestic tigers (or rather, generic American circus tiger descendants in captivity) and it was found that some of them were pure Siberian or pure Bengal (and not white) so those individuals could be useful in a breeding program. Most of them are Bengal-Siberian mutts.

    • @mikevasquez1103
      @mikevasquez1103 Před 4 lety

      @@pyrovania I don't doubt that. My main concern is the danger posed by poachers and factory farmers.

    • @mikevasquez1103
      @mikevasquez1103 Před 4 lety +6

      @LagiNaLangAko23 That would depend on the animal. For a wild tiger, that purpose is obvious as it is the Apex predator of its natural habitat. Domesticated Tigers on the other hand, are poor predators. They're not so great at killing efficiently which is why mallings by domesticated big cats tend to be far more greusome. They literally don't know how to kill people quickly. They don't know how to hunt because they're being fed. It could be said that many domesticated animals lack purpose.

    • @LindaC616
      @LindaC616 Před 4 lety

      @@pyrovania
      And as this video says, throw in the Malays and the ligets, and it's even more fun

  • @sandraarias424
    @sandraarias424 Před 4 lety

    9:30 GAVE ME THE CHILLS SO BAD

  • @kathryncarter6143
    @kathryncarter6143 Před 4 lety

    Excellent report. More people should see this.

  • @AyAy008
    @AyAy008 Před 4 lety +5

    9:09 *CHONK*

  • @TheWrongBalance
    @TheWrongBalance Před 4 lety +16

    The most dangerous animal is the human
    Even if the megalodon and dinosaurus still existed they wouldn’t stand a chance against humans

    • @Laotzu.Goldbug
      @Laotzu.Goldbug Před 4 lety +2

      Humanasaurus Rex

    • @leomoe433
      @leomoe433 Před 4 lety +1

      The human tribe, yes, but 1 human, even with a spear, is generally not dangerous to animals bigger than wolves

    • @wapiti7151
      @wapiti7151 Před 4 lety

      Ok, and? Nobody argued against that buddy

    • @arthurritis9629
      @arthurritis9629 Před 4 lety

      Tru dat brudda

  • @Raidcrusher
    @Raidcrusher Před 4 lety +2

    Oh, Stanley Tucci 0:58 😁

  • @small_juice_box
    @small_juice_box Před 4 lety +2

    In my opinion, the tiger at the end pacing back in forth gave me chills. It's hard to see what should be a ferocious wild animal have so much fear in its eyes. The roar at the end spooked me as it should for anyone. Tigers are powerful animals which makes it that much more heartbreaking to see them only being kept for someone’s next photo op. Conservations are doing their best but there’s horrible people out there doing the contrary...

  • @cjzanders5430
    @cjzanders5430 Před 4 lety +17

    @9:17- yeah, there’s definitely some trauma there. Looks like crack or ptsd in the eyes. Poor buddy.

    • @rehaan8
      @rehaan8 Před 4 lety

      let a guy open his eyes wider every once in a while :(

  • @madtingz2288
    @madtingz2288 Před 4 lety +7

    So when people say “put them back in the wild” that would technically be cruel?

  • @kateajurors8640
    @kateajurors8640 Před 4 lety +2

    A paper was released not too long ago saying all the different subspecies of tigers they're not really different enough to be different subspecies there are only two subspecies.

  • @titaniumapple1
    @titaniumapple1 Před 4 lety

    This guy clearly and succinctly explains his points - excellent

  • @Sik15
    @Sik15 Před 4 lety +12

    This is a topic I studied while going through community college & university. I spent about 7 years researching and writing about the subject! Every point made in this video I believe wholeheartedly. I still support AZA zoos, I support accredited sanctuaries, I do not support pseudo-sanctuaries and roadside zoos, and I do not support the idea of releasing captive animals into the wild.

  • @betaz1000
    @betaz1000 Před 4 lety +4

    I told this to ppl.. bred tiger in captivity can't be release because they can't compete in wild life . Releasing them is like suicide.. they comfy in captivity..

    • @zenldh
      @zenldh Před 4 lety

      Exactly, those who screamed they should be free bcs they should be able to seek for food is just a PETA level human. Survival isnt just about getting food. Lets say they arent be poached they will be killed by their competitions especially if released just like that without knowing which animals owned the area.

    • @kingabalos
      @kingabalos Před 4 lety

      zen0524 They can’t catch prey, and wild tigers will absolutely slaughter them

    • @zenldh
      @zenldh Před 4 lety +1

      @@kingabalos exactly, sadly a lot of people think that survival in the wild is just about the capability of hunting. look at our strays cats and dogs for example, if it is a murder-suicide for domesticated ones to be released in the street, why it isnt the same for tigers and lions.

  • @spaceuntil
    @spaceuntil Před 4 lety +1

    Amazing and informative video

  • @kvikram19
    @kvikram19 Před 4 lety

    This interview is seriously better than Netflix show, which is reality TV masquerading as a documentary. Here, someone actually qualified is speaking on this legitimate issue, and the interviewer is spot on with concise and useful questions.

  • @pyrovania
    @pyrovania Před 4 lety +43

    There are several good sanctuaries that take good care of their cats. It is not entirely a binary situation.

    • @777dark
      @777dark Před 4 lety +7

      it is, it's completely not about the treatment (and trust me "good care" is always a mask, big cats arent little pets just like that), it's about the fact that it does basically nothing for tiger conservation. They are indeed basically useless for anything else than "pets" and IF their "instincts" (mostly just a bad mood because of not being in the wild) they attack someone and then bam probably death, it's just bad this is just animal abuse, they need space too, the reason there are no GW sharks in captivity for example is they die, not enough room in any aquarium in the world. they need territory, the wild is not only where they are at their best, need to be, should be and where they are TRULY comfortable.

    • @sovietslug8699
      @sovietslug8699 Před 4 lety +13

      @@777dark The problem with that is there is no wild to return too. That's what bothers me about people who just say put them in the wild. It's not so black and white.

    • @failtolawl
      @failtolawl Před 4 lety +4

      The problem is that most are completely full.

    • @777dark
      @777dark Před 4 lety +5

      @@sovietslug8699 Well obviously, I didn't say that either. With these animals it's a lost cause, they have to stay there, it is very quick death in the wild for those animals. (no abilities, may not even know how to find even water, potential diseases not present in captivity and so on)

    • @wooiewowwhoowewewe5714
      @wooiewowwhoowewewe5714 Před 4 lety +2

      I know this might be a dumb idea but maybe this year for the charity of choice, MrBeast could go with a charity that relates to helping tigers ( i.e. donating to legit sanctuaries, doing arbor day again but regretting planting trees in regions where tigers live, etc). Judging the results of last year charity, I would say that it could go fairly well.

  • @alanbareiro6806
    @alanbareiro6806 Před 4 lety +19

    **expert giving logical arguments why keeping tigers in captivity is a bad idea**
    Me: WHY ARE YOU PRESSING YOUR FACE TOWARDS A TIGER?! DO YOU WANT TO GET NOMINATED TO THE DARWIN AWARDS?!

  • @Kittygory
    @Kittygory Před 4 lety +1

    I just realized that it’s been so long since I’ve seen their photos.

  • @mzs114
    @mzs114 Před 4 lety

    The last clip scared me !

  • @otomackena7610
    @otomackena7610 Před 4 lety +27

    5:12 answer is canned hunting. He lost a good opportunity to raise awareness about canned hunting and trophy hunting. Most of these cubs in petting zoo when useless are sold for canned hunting, killed for traditional Chinese medicine, fur etc..

  • @Chedda3000music
    @Chedda3000music Před 4 lety +4

    I think the biggest surprise for me while watching “Tiger King” was how affordable a Tiger cub is. I saw them selling for $2k-$3k, which is cheaper than getting a Bulldog. I always thought it was super expensive to get one but saw them selling these things like nothing. Crazy.

    • @E_MZ_
      @E_MZ_ Před 4 lety +1

      chedda 3000 yeah I was watching with with a friend and when they mentioned the price he was like “That’s it?!”

    • @dl2839
      @dl2839 Před 4 lety

      The real cost is food and shelter, just like it is for Clifford.

    • @kitwhitfield7169
      @kitwhitfield7169 Před 4 lety

      Mind you, bulldogs are a huge genetic mess all of their own...

  • @MaddRamm
    @MaddRamm Před 4 lety

    Those were good questions. Good job by the interviewer.

  • @doraperez5344
    @doraperez5344 Před 4 lety

    I asked my boyfriend this question yesterday and didn't quite understand.. This video cleared up so much questioning!

  • @jewelsymom
    @jewelsymom Před 4 lety +3

    Thank you for such an informative and intelligent look at this terrible part of America. It’s heartbreaking

  • @navdhillon7912
    @navdhillon7912 Před 4 lety +3

    The line about how the money used to run rescue centres would be better used for protecting Tigers in the wild...bravo!

    • @gaylebaker8419
      @gaylebaker8419 Před 4 lety +1

      That's why Big Cat Rescue donates to wild animal conservation groups.

  • @professorbutters
    @professorbutters Před 4 lety

    Oh, they interviewed Panthera! Thank God, someone did something sensible. They’re a great organization.

  • @Geox2020
    @Geox2020 Před 4 lety

    Good educational video.

  • @JoeyKlu
    @JoeyKlu Před 4 lety +10

    Thank you for explaining this. =__=

  • @padraigirvine4850
    @padraigirvine4850 Před 4 lety +6

    Soon there won’t even be a wild for the tigers to return to

  • @ternellrogerroger2687
    @ternellrogerroger2687 Před 4 lety

    Nice scientific journalism WIRED, headlines match the content!! ;D

  • @ArchWolfVegasEditor
    @ArchWolfVegasEditor Před 4 lety

    7:44 my mans is laughing and smiling like the Tiger was thinking about playing a prank, Na he’s tryna test u out.

  • @veganfurretfanatic
    @veganfurretfanatic Před 4 lety +3

    We know that captive tigers can’t be released, but they shouldn’t be in roadside attractions. They should be in a some type of sanctuary.

  • @cookeh_9195
    @cookeh_9195 Před 4 lety +7

    Honestly I don’t mind if they are kept in captivity as long as they are looked after properly

    • @zenldh
      @zenldh Před 4 lety

      thank you. a good backed sanctuary will be the best option. while at that, we need law to stricten and even ended private ownership, bad zoos, canned/throphy hunting, cuddle zoos and breeding farm situations. Kevin richardson's sanctuary is a good example of rescued big cats in captivity

    • @cookeh_9195
      @cookeh_9195 Před 4 lety

      zen0524 exactly

  • @Nonstopfilms100
    @Nonstopfilms100 Před 4 lety

    This guy is telling the 1000% truth wit no sugar coat ...straight to da point wit it

  • @al7amar2000
    @al7amar2000 Před 4 lety

    I think this interview should be ep 9 for tiger king

  • @supriya55
    @supriya55 Před 4 lety +56

    how can netflix promote that sensationalist docu so hard?! exploiting animal abuse

    • @MuraCasardis
      @MuraCasardis Před 4 lety +20

      Not to mention they framed Big Cat Rescue as villains and now a bunch of ignorant Netflix watchers are flooding the channel to dislike and more. They have no idea what BCR is about, all the things they've done over the years (the many rescues they did, the amount of money they put just to give medical treatment for sick senior big cats, and more). It's really sad and disheartening, but also so typical of these people to be morons.

    • @nicholasbarchak6860
      @nicholasbarchak6860 Před 4 lety

      @@MuraCasardis bcrwatch.com Juan Garcia

    • @ElanaVital83
      @ElanaVital83 Před 4 lety

      @@MuraCasardis BCR are just as much of a problem as the rest.

    • @gaylebaker8419
      @gaylebaker8419 Před 4 lety

      @@ElanaVital83 Get off of your silly, ignorant personal kick.

    • @gaylebaker8419
      @gaylebaker8419 Před 4 lety

      Money. That's all. Pure greed.

  • @YaYa-lj8ln
    @YaYa-lj8ln Před 4 lety +7

    The cat at 9:25 made me so sad...

    • @nanwijanarko1969
      @nanwijanarko1969 Před 4 lety +3

      Yeah... the fur, the pacing, but mostly the eyes. It has a crazed look, as if it's desperate..

  • @centanhotbox84
    @centanhotbox84 Před 4 lety

    10:01 smooth

  • @LucyHemmings
    @LucyHemmings Před 4 lety +2

    Tigers are my favorite animal. I think they’re beautiful creatures and cubs are so cute and adorable but I would never want to keep one as a pet. I understand they’re beautiful wild creatures and it makes me sad that people actually say “I want one.” I honestly haven’t watched the Netflix documentary because I know I’ll get upset, especially since people are saying it didn’t educate or get the point across that it’s wrong.

  • @roxannedunstanharvey4898
    @roxannedunstanharvey4898 Před 4 lety +4

    Was discussing this with the boy friend. It would make more sense to just regulate and license people. Just putting more hoops to jump through should slow the rate of ownerships and breeding

  • @stefan514
    @stefan514 Před 4 lety +27

    With all the nice cameras everyone has in their pockets these days... How are people still unable to film themselfes without it looking like trash?

    • @joecramp2987
      @joecramp2987 Před 4 lety +16

      Because it's a live call

    • @stefan514
      @stefan514 Před 4 lety +3

      @@joecramp2987 and as a reporter you aren't able to just do a video call and use your phone to film yourself as well or at least turn on some lights?
      It's their job. No problem with the expert looking a little rough, but if you play journalist you should at least try not to suck.

    • @onkelpappkov2666
      @onkelpappkov2666 Před 4 lety +6

      @@stefan514 Is it their job? I would assume lighting and camera issues to be mostly down to the lighting and camera crew.
      I mean, I'm glad when a journalist digs into a subject matter and asks proper questions rather than copypasting headlines. Sure could do with a little touch-up, I agree, but ehh.

    • @stefan514
      @stefan514 Před 4 lety

      @@onkelpappkov2666 as if turning on a light would be rocket science. How low is the bar these days? 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @beatsbykana
    @beatsbykana Před 4 lety

    there were a lot of layers to that show for sure

  • @gabrielfelixmunoz739
    @gabrielfelixmunoz739 Před 4 lety

    awesome video

  • @Cura_Edits
    @Cura_Edits Před 4 lety +6

    Hi hope yall staying safe in quarantine

    • @chapterrv
      @chapterrv Před 4 lety +2

      Likewise! Thanks for sharing the positive energy. It's much appreciated 🙏🏾

  • @YukihyoShiraki
    @YukihyoShiraki Před 4 lety +3

    I wish this video could be added to the documentary so that more people can be educated on this topic. Sadly, most people only care about the dramatization of the conflict between Joe and Carol and being able to discuss the general topic with others to show how they are in the know about this 'hot topic'

  • @leester9487
    @leester9487 Před 4 lety +1

    9:17 my cat when she wants to go out at 2AM.

  • @lakavathramakrishna5790

    Interviewee is Hobbes and he has a painting of Shaw behind him in his room