Amazon's The Rings of Power is DOOMED | Tolkien Fans' Victorious RATIO
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- The scouring of Tolkien: An Amazon's The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power trailer reaction.
"I should resent perversion of the characters"
- J.R.R. Tolkien
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I love how "killing the past" literally just means "forget about the good stuff and just accept that this garbage is the franchise now"
Hahaha spot on
Well-put! As I wrote above, William Faulker had a much more truthful quote about the past: "The past is never dead. It's not even past."
You said it
And they are still arrogant enough to get confused when people reject their bullshit.
Middle Earth as Tolkien intended is in the pages of his works, not on any screen....The books are all that matter, and no matter how many adaptations are made by film, nothing will EVER change that.
“The past is dead…” Sounds like something someone who doesn’t believe in tradition would say. And Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat the same mistakes of the past.
“Let the past die. Kill it if you have to” - Kylo Ren
The past was already killed when the "Allies" were tricked into war with Germany
Not traditions. History.
Makes you think.
It means the West and Western traditions, but lets be honest, it means doing away with the white population, who are the West and it's tradtions, except for the small population of elites, like the Biden Pelosi and Clinton Crime Families.
Y'know, for all the criticisms of the Hobbit films, and accuracy aside, I think it's fair to point out just how remarkably intimidating and powerful Galadriel was depicted as being, in a flowing, silken dress. Not in armor. She did not even carry a weapon at all. Yet see how much respect and deference a Maia such as Gandalf shows her, or how she is able to banish the shadows of Sauron and The Nine back to Mordor. I'm sorry, but the Amazon Galadriel looks weak in comparison, and does not command respect; instead, she's boorish and condescending. What a pathetic deviation from one of the most incredible characters Tolkien created.
I know right?
Amazon has objectively downgraded an elven queen into a generic Mary Sue action character. Guyladriel doesn't even deserve the level of respect given in the show. 😂
"Boorish" ..... yep. Nailed it.
"The past is dead. We either move forward or die with it."
Hmm... Have they considered the far more wise and poetic quote:
"The old that is strong does not wither
Deep roots are not reached by the frost."
Tolkien's works have already stood the test of time and generations. They'll still be here when the entire Amazon streaming service is defunct.
There is a very valuable lesson in Lord of the Rings that the whole "Female character needs to be a physical badass" agenda could learn from... One thing that Tolkien was very big on, and Peter Jackson did a great job of portraying in the LoTR trilogy is that, "Even the smallest person can change the course of the future." Hobbits typically lived very simple lives and didn't go on grand adventures fighting things. That's why Bilbo was so hesitant to go with Gandalf in The Hobbit and why he was thought of so differently by the other Hobbits when he got back. They thought he was weird, even a little kookie. The Hobbits in the Fellowship did not have the strength, speed, magic or fighting skill that the other characters had. That's what made their task so daunting. Sam and Frodo, two little Hobbits that had spent their whole lives in the calm, peaceful Shire had to travel to the heart of evil Mordor and destroy the ring amidst a giant war. They had the most difficult task of all, and through sheer will and courage they were able to accomplish that task. It's why Aragorn said in the end, "You bow to no one" and then bowed to them in spite of being the King himself.
You don't have to be the biggest, the strongest, the wisest, or the most skilled to make a difference in the world. The Hobbits were none of these and yet they were the most important characters in the end. Ironically, it was Galadriel who taught Frodo this lesson... the same Galadriel that they are trying to portray as a physical bad ass in spite of Tolkien never portraying her that way and even referring to her as being "slender," not muscular or cut like legolas was.
They don't understand that she doesn't NEED to be a physical warrior to be a bad ass... She already is one...
Well said! 👏👏👏
No, she isn’t. Fantasy is no genre for “bad ass woman” or any female character for that matter.
If you want to include people of color, minorities, women as flashed out characters, you are not a true Tolkien fan. He never did that, and would never do.
It's frustrating to see this in a lot of franchise I like. They destroy existing female characters by trying to make them 'strong' or 'impressive' in their own vision, and add unnecessary ones, writing them badly into a story.
Everyone screams 'woke culture agenda' but for me it's simply an element of overall bad writing and the lack of respect and understanding of the source material.
@@LucasGualbertoSilva I think you might have misinterpreted what the comment was about.
Also I disagree about women not being allowed to be bad ass, the problem isn’t that they can’t be it’s that it’s almost never written well however the original Galadriel was pretty bad ass. Bad ass doesn’t just mean strong it just means extremely impressive and her wisdom was second to none which made her bad ass.
@@nokh3382 I'm inclined to think Lucas was being sarcastic..? Lol
This is going to be CW levels of writing! Amazon are going to be very busy hiring activists writing hit pieces on everyone
who dares criticize this or cant stop laughing at this mess!
It’s got to be so easy to get hired as a “writer” for the Yellow Press. All you have to do is signal that virtue, write lies, label everyone you dislike ists & phobes & presto! you’re a “journalist.”
I feel like that's an insult to CW. The CW at least knows they're corny and cheesy and doesn't pretend to be super serious.
I think screenwriters are very special! Like their school! Which they didn't even manage to finish - because of the too high requirements!
Sorry for my imperfect English, but it's not my language!
Wait, new EFAP series to replace Batwoman? Suddenly I'm actually looking forward to this.
"hit pieces" is something woke activists can't do. You mean propaganda? Because that's what these freaks have been churning out.
I have watched every minute of the "Behind the Scenes" videos from the Lord of the Rings extended edition disc set, and every single one of those minutes absolutely glowed with a love, passion, and enthusiasm that comes from people who have a deep connection to, and appreciation of the source material. Everyone in those videos spoke of how great a responsibility they had, as well as what a privilege it was to honor Tolkien's work, and it showed on the screen. I mean, there were two guys that spent every day of the entire production for years, coming in, cutting, fitting, and gluing little plastic rings together to make the chainmail suits for every actor and extra in the film. That takes a dedication that could only come from a love of Tolkien's works, because I doubt the paycheck was that fantastic.
Fast forward to today, and the only sense I get from these people associated with the production (be it in Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Marvel, or Tolkien's works), is a disdain and jealousy for the source material and its creator(s).
The Behind the Scenes of LOTR is unreal to watch. Especially the costume design where they literally made chain mail by hand and inscribed poems on the inside of real helmets. That is why the films look so good in 4K because all those details are real and look amazing in high def.
I still have my extended edition LOTR DVD sets my dad bought for me back in the early 2000’s. I love all the behind the scenes content. Like you said it oozes excitement, reverence, and respect for Tolkiens world. Like genuinely the actors and crew had the time of their lives filming the trilogy in New Zealand. Amazon is a soulless corporation that’s why they have to hire people to pretend to be excited for this abomination. It’s so generic and see through.
@@laylahazard3919 Reverence! That's the word I was looking for!
If they were the inventors of Facebook, they would have invented Facebook.
well said.
Oof, the Return of the King scene at the end of video… “my friends, you bow to no one” really hits differently in light of this vandalism and absolute disrespect being shoved down our throats. I’m proud to see how the Tolkien “Fandom” is responding to this crap.
I think the most egregious and infuriating aspect of this and all the other woke hijackings of beloved, existing franchises is that those who do so make every effort to distort, destroy and dismiss what made said franchises beloved in the first place yet they insert every pandering reference from the originals in hopes of attracting the very fans they are insulting.
The most infuriating thing will be that basicly everybody, that is now complaining, will end up watching it anyway. So the evil still wins.
@@blablubb8615 Well as long as not millions of people are getting a Prime subscription only to watch the show they won't make financial profits from this i guess
@@blablubb8615 Not this guy.
@@blablubb8615 Αρνούμαι να παρακολουθήσω αυτό έκτρωμα που δημιούργησε η Amazon υπό τας διαταγάς του Μόργκοθ.
Well, much like orcs, Amazon cannot create new things of its own; it can only take and pervert what already exists.
Tolkien: "i didn't want to flesh out the orcs. Because if they were too 'fleshed out' that would mean they could be a people and i don't want to condemn an entire culture to villainy" (i'm paraphrasing but i remember a segment in one of the books where tolkien tries to explain that he didn't like making the orcs flesh out since that would villify a race, something that he knows is dangerous since...well WW1 and 2)
Amazon: lets flesh out the orcs to make them the victims and in doing this unravel even more crap
Yeah, wonder why the Germans vilified the people who destroyed their nation during WWI, and were in the process of destroying German culture, all while crashing the economy to the point people had suitcases full of money to buy bread. Yeah, but I guess you were taught that for "no reason at all, a guy just hated some people"....
Learn the truth. It's out there, and you'll learn they lied to us. Big time.
@@chance2413 still is no excuse to wipe out an zntire race or launch mass war that killed millions. I know thats their 'reason', i know my history. The war isnt at scrutiny here. Because Tolkien didnt want to just make a race evil, he didnt flesh them out, that way, should any braindead twitter idiot claim 'they are based on poc from africa' , it can be denied. Because no race is inherently evil
I would t consider Tolkien a great example of someone who was privy to struggles of others regarding race
@@jasonlang9074 What, because he was white? Is that the implication of your comment?
@@kp361 I feel a 'weeeell, y'know, a (white) MAN of his tiiiiime...' comment coming up...
This whole “let the past die” line is exactly the root of what is wrong with this entire attempt to display a bastardized version of Tolkien’s work. The message in LOTR is “there’s good in this world that is so fundamentally important, that it’s worth dying for.” There are virtues present like honor, courage and dignity. These inspire devotion, great love and willingness to sacrifice everything including one’s own comforts and life if need be to protect what matters most. “The past is dead,” message simply states “You should just give up and move on.” How can you think anyone can respect and appreciate characters calling themselves warriors who speak like this? It’s the same as Theodin saying “We’ve lost. We should just join the orcs, instead of “Ride with me!”
Fans have learned the languages Tolkien invented, named their sons and daughters, their pets, their boats and properties after Middle Earth's.
They have painted fan art, written fan stories, created web sites. They wear symbols and words on rings and pendants, decorated walls and furniture.
How can you go against such social phenomena? You can even make a reasonable work but you will hurt millions of fans in the process. You will pay for that.
Wouldn't be better to just detach your work from Tolkien's, tell it is a brand new world, with characters loosely based on literary works of the past?
Since your story is so different, Tolkien's fans would have had a hard time criticizing it, the (new) audience wouldn't be influenced and who knows, you might get a blockbuster.
This could be applied to a billion other franchises, but why feel personally offended?
@@aliahpersonous2893 Well, when you put time, energy and especially your funds into a source of entertainment/escape... Only for that source of entertainment/escape to be ruined when it didn't have to be!
That's like me coming into money, and getting the writes to Orange is the new Black and turning into a softcore lesbian porn for no reason!
"The past is dead."
Of all the red flags this is the biggest! The clearest sign yet that Amazon will desecrate and pervert Tolkien's work just like Melkor desecrated and perverted Arda.
The core of Tolkien's legendarium IS about the past, the lament for past glories and wonders, the Elven longing for those days, and the tragic disappearance of the past's magic as Middle Earth becomes more like our world.
This exactly! The fact that they would put this line into the teaser without any context forces us to conclude that it is actually meant to reveal their agenda, the betrayal of the core of Tolkien‘s legendarium! It’s ridiculous once you see it.
Exactly yes. Melkor's discord on display.
Yes, the mantra of the postmdernist.
You couldn't be more right. Tolkien was a conservative and a historian, and a man who loved the past. He would despise this series, of that I have no doubt.
I think its a huge red flag that weve kind of overlooked due to all the other red flags in this dirge promotion material, but it literally shows us that Amazon neither understand the works of Tolkien, or of Tolkien himself, we just cant underline more strongly how a line like "the past is dead" is the very antithesis of Tolkiens work. Its the kind of thing youd see in a school kids book report essay and as the teacher youd have to go to them and say did you learn absolutely nothing from reading these books ?
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Quite honestly I'm waiting for Galadriel and Elrond to pull off a "they fly now" when Sauron shows up, given how stellar the dialog already is.
2:50 this is the most baffling thing to me which makes me 100% sure they don't understand the source material and treat it like a cash grab.
The WHOLE POINT of the Lord of the Rings, which is, as a reminder, just a tiny portion of History in the great Lore Tolkien has built, is to rely on the fact Hobbits are unknown to most and discarded as unimportant folk across the realms when the events with the One Ring unfold. Except for a few very versed people (Gandalf being one), no one cares about Hobbits, because Hobbits haven't played ANY part at all in the great events of the world up to that point when Bilbo sets out on an adventure. It's the very first time Hobbits have an impact on the world History. It's at the core of the themes of both the Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.
So the Rings of Power shouldn't feature any Hobbits at all since the second age doesn't even remotely concern them (and that's why Tolkien doesn't mention them). Having Hobbits in the series is just 100% counterproductive fanservice. Counterproductive because it shows the lack of respect and understanding for the source material the showrunners have.
The “other hand and minds” quote they are using to justify their butchering of Tolkien’s work is very disingenuously taken out of context. Not only will they destroy what he created, they will twist his words and act like he would approve of them doing so. I’m not surprised of course, but somehow it makes this even more despicable.
Kinda makes me think of two passages of the Bible (no surprise there as I'm a Christian). If you're not a believer, I hope you'll indulge me anyway, but these two quotes seem so apt not only to what Amazon are doing specifically to Tolkien, and did to Wheel of Time, but to all such instances of this happening in all areas of the West right now:
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:20
But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
2 Timothy 3:1-5
@@Iluvantir Dang, Isaiah 5:20 could have been put there specifically for the woke leftists of today! And being a fellow believer, I will admit to you that I'm a bit unsettled by how closely our quote from Second Timothy describes modern Western society.
We live in an age where 'educated' people with a university education insist that men can have babies and that 'post-birth abortion' is a 'right'.
They are capable of anything.
@@solan7978 Whether you're religious or not it's easy to see how the Bible contains wisdom of people who've seen many nations fall.
It's no surprise that ideologies like Marxism which are natural enemies to Christianity explicitly end up doing exactly what The Bible warns of.
@@Iluvantir I have to say as someone who isn't religious, it's describing what we see now pretty well.
Galadriel was Elrond’s mother-in-law. Elrond married Celebrian, daughter of Celeborn and Galadriel, early in the Third Age, in TA 109. She bore him three children: their identical twin sons Elladan and Elrohir, and their daughter Arwen. What little information we have suggests that the family were on good terms. Arwen seems to have spent considerable time in Lorien, at least after her mother’s departure to the Undying Lands in TA 2510. While Frodo and company sojourn in Rivendell, Elladan and Elrohir journey to (unstated but obviously) Lorien to confer with their grandparents following the decision to send the Ring to Mordor. In the few scenes where Elrond and Galadriel are together, they are comfortable with each other.
Elrond and Galadriel were also colleagues. Both were keepers of one of the Three Rings. Both were counted among the Wise and were members of the White Council, founded by Galadriel. They supported each other’s efforts against the Shadow, and Lorien provided military aid to Rivendell and the forces of the Dunedain during their conflicts with the Witch-King.
It is possible that their relationship went as far back as the end of the First Age. If Celeborn and Galadriel spent any time in or near the Elven refugee settlements at Sirion or on Balar, they might have know Elwing and Earendil, and maybe their sons as well. Galadriel would have had dealings with Elrond from the early days of the Second Age onward, as Elrond was not only her kinsman, but was part of High King Gil-galad’s court. Galadriel and Celeborn may have resided in Rivendell for some time after the fall of Eregion (it is then that Elrond and Celebrian first met).
In addition to being in-laws, Elrond and Galadriel were blood relations. Elrond and Galadriel were both members of the House of Finwe, the royal house of the Noldor. Elrond’s great-grandfather Turgon was Galadriel’s first cousin. They were also related through Elrond’s descent from Elu Thingol and Galadriel’s descent from Thingol’s brother Olwe. Elrond was also related by blood to Celeborn, who was the grandson of Thingol’s brother Elmo. Celeborn was the uncle of Elrond’s maternal grandmother Nimloth,
Thank you! Elrond here may still have been young by certain elves' standards, but he was still at the very least centuries old, millennia really at the time of Numenor's fall, and Galadriel had a whole age of experience over him, there is no way they would speak to each other on such a base level, no matter how they might disagree. They show them young in this series, but that is wrong on pretty much any level you could think of.
This text gave me more joy than the entirety of the "Rings of Power" series.
You mansplain like every other toxic, entitled, bigot. You are clearly not a real fan, most likely just an aIt-right Russian bot. You are probably not even a Tolkien scholar.
No one in charge of this show knows or regards any of that.
More depth in this comment than the entirety of RoP
Wow - I can't believe Amazon in 2022 does way worse "giant tree" CGI than WoW did upon release. When I think the Two trees of Valinor I think trees reaching to the skies. Branches from horizont to horizont. Awe-inspiring. I've had dreams about Laurelin and Telperion. These aren't the trees of Valinor. These are two dinky novelty light-bulbs...
I rewatched the original trilogy after this. It is so utterly amazing how a fantasy film work feels so much like a real world. Even after having watched it probably over 20 times, its elegance can still move me to tears. This woke buckeg of feces will only make it shine all the clearer.
It feels real, for the simple reason that the films were made by... let me see, real actors, directors, producers etc etc. In short, people who knew their craft. One of the reasons so much rubbish is being force-fed to us - and I believe Rings of Crap will be the culmination of it - is that the newer series, films and the like are being made by people who are not good actors or competent writers, directors. The only thing they care about is their ego and this is SO obvious in this disastrous trailer. I actually feel embarrassed by it, it's so cringe worthy. And you get same feeling when a friend or acquaintance proudly show you their work and it's embarrassingly bad or mediocre. But, as strange as it may sound, I kind of welcome the Rings of Crap : let it be a complete disaster so that people can learn from it and say "OK, enough, it's time to hire people who are COMPETENT and know what they're doing, not manchildren". Oh, and the visuals ? Pretty so obviously FAKE. Just as it is with the fake actors and producers not being able to compete with the professionals who made the LOTR trilogy, so it is with "real" nature. You just can't replicate its beauty...
@@polychronistheo i agree. Last night an add popped up on youtube and i couldn't figure out if it was from game of thrones or rings of power. In the end it was dungeons and dragons. This stuff is so generic that you can't even tell it apart anymore.
The original trilogy really feels like a real world indeed, yet extremely mysterious in a magical way, it makes you want to be there for yourself, it's fantasy galore.
The shit they try to create now with the new show feel generic, with "It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like" quote. They went in with the wrong mindset, and it will affect the show negatively.
The rohirrim charge at Pelennor fields
The scene of Aragorn, et. al, bowing before Frodo, Sam, Pippin and Merry has more heart and true emotion than all The Rings of Power trailer put together.
I spent 9 years trying to convince my sister-in-law to watch Lord of the Rings with me. She always laughed and refused and thought my love for Tolkien was loopy.
She finally watched it in full, extended editions last Christmas. She absolutely broke down at that scene and sobbed. She screamed at the tv, she cheered, she laughed, she cried by the time it was all over. She absolutely loved it.
"My friends, you bow to no one." If I'm remembering that quote right... Yeah, I agree.
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@@asdf51501 Yeah that was a fantastic scene.
@@dementiabiden1621 Aaand now I need to rewatch the trilogy 😀
Something I noticed now: Tolkien's elves, while loving forests, don't dwell exclusively in them. Narogthrond was in caves, Gondolin was in a mountainous vale, most other 1st Era kingdom were pretty regular, built on plains and hills. 2nd Era also has Eregion (not very forested). Reducing the Elves to "hurr durr tree huggers" is another thing to my list of petty grievances.
Tirion is also not built in a forest. It doesn’t say that they only live in forests but they are so interconnected with plants and animals, protect and nurture the forests and also woke up the first trees.
yes, but I think we are expecting Amazon to have spent effort learning this stuff, and it increasingly comes across their only understanding of middle earth comes from watching the Jackson movies and probably the hobbit ones at that...on fast forward.
Don't forget about "how we can have Middle-Earth without the Hobbits?"
Seriously, creators seem to mostly care about the surface level stuff here.
I read The Hobbit when I had just gotten out of the military, and it was a great comfort to me. I only just got around to reading the Lord of the Rings books. I'm only halfway through the first book, but it captured me so much I ended up spending over a $100 on collecting all of the other Tolkien books I didn't even know existed just six months ago. I'm new to all of this, but my passion to stand the ground against the vandalization of this amazing story is as firm as anyone else's.
Keep holding that torch, Gary! We ride to you against these dark times!
Lmfaoooo "I haven't even read the LOTR books, but I care SO MUCH about keeping blacks and women out of it that it is now my PASSION! Thanks for standing up for this thing that is so important to me (that I haven't even read), racist nerd who makes CZcams videos!"
We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves-Peter jackson
It’s disgusting what they did with ‘Galadriel’. They’ve turned her into a mere ‘man’ with a sword. Her real strength and power used to come from her overwhelming presence, wisdom and personality. The kind of character that knew you better than you did and could make you surrender with a look. That’s what I call a powerful *woman*. Now she’s less powerful than a man and a quarter as powerful as a woman. The feminism and ‘diversity’ in this has watered down women and minority races by giving them the traits of the ‘traditional man’, which apparently they hate, so what are they trying to do anymore?
Her power also came from her great beauty (as it did for all elves as they were made by Eru Ilúvatar as exemplars of beauty to guide mankind in such things), but it appears we can't have that because of "the male gaze". (facepalm)
They want to destroy mankind period. If men are women, and women are men, and both no longer desires procreation due to wanting the same sex, then humanity dies.
Not even a man. A caricature of a man stemmed from feminist missndry.
They did ? It was what Tolkien did not what they did, the film makers was interviewed by one of the Tolkien loremaster (aka nerd of rings on YT), they actually did used Tolkien's letters and work to film the series. For reference too, and Tolkien did admit there was a time Galadriel was more of warrior like than a sage like : "[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats” - Tolkien Letter 348 In Peoples of Middle-earth and Unfinished Tales and Morgoth's Ring everytime Tolkien describes young Galadriel he feels the need to write "she was (both physically and mentally) strong, brave" "she was valiant" etc. Also same thing can be seen often in Nature of Middle-earth: "She was called Nerwen ‘man-maiden’ because of her strength and stature, and her courage." Reference: Tolkien Letter 348, Peoples of Middle-earth, Unfinished Tales, Morgoth's Ring, Nature of Middle-earth.
Not to mention she’s literally based off The Virgin Mary, who was not a physical fighter, but more powerful than any other man. The degradation of femininity is appalling.
I do appreciate companies like amazon and disney, diluting their near monopolistic powers, and encouraging people like Rippa to create their own stories for the people to enjoy!
Eric July is an egotistical jagoff and he won't get a dime from me. This self proclaimed comic book "expert" once threw a baby tantrum because I had the sheer audacity to correct him when he said "Galactus is from the previous galaxy....", to which he then doubled down on and proceeded to gaslight me for being a "troll" when I had subscribed to his channel for years. F him, sorry.
It's really true! Most of us could never have seen this coming! As annoying as everything has been with the woke, it HAS come with some backlash.... Hopefully there will be some justice some day...
Become the culture.
I also appreciate companies like amazon and disney pissing their money away down the sewer for our amusement whilst we get to sit back, point, and piss ourselves laughing at them. The more they spend the sooner they'll either 1) go bust and gone from history itself, or 2) wake up and change course and get back to what the paying customer wants: making good, well thought out entertainment.
Long live the RIPP
I love being a part of the Tolkien fandom, and I take pride knowing that we are one of the last bastions of integrity among modern media audiences. Thank you all for your efforts, together we may yet hope to overcome these dark times
WELL SAID and same here. I also take great pride in being a real Tolkien fan. We are united like NO OTHER fanbase has ever been, and we've always been united like this. We love Tolkiens works in his world with HIS messages NOT hollyweirdos COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA and AntiWhite RACIST HATRED they insert literally EVERYWHERE. They even get freaking OBVIOUS things DEAD WRONG; Like Ar Pharazon last king of Numenor; before he turned Evil he was known as "Pharazon the Golden" for his Golden blond hair, and also because even among Numenoreans he was a particularly strong and fast superman. And his queen Tar Miriel is described in her physical descriptions as fair BEYOND COMPARE meaning WHITE SKINNED and like all most others of the house of hador, golden haired. Except they race swapped her, most likely because she was the only one who REMAINED on numenor who was faithful to Eru Illuvatar(God in Tolkiens universe). Remember in commie horseshit WHITE MEANS BAD, NONWHITE ESP BLACK MEANS GOOD in their RACIAL HATRED OF BOTH OUR RACES and attempt to divide us so we don't combine forces and DESTROY THEM ALL like they FEAR. Its why Blacks defecting EN MASSE to the Republican party is SCARING THE SHIT out of our enemies in the left. They are TERRFIED because Black people don't wanna be beholden to the party that ENSLAVED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE and FOUGHT A WAR IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM AS SLAVES.
THEY NEVER MENTION THAT ON CNN OR MSNBC THE MAINSTREAM COMMUNIST FAKE NEWS "NETWORKS", OF COURSE.
It's sooooo baaaaad... I'm so thankful to Peter Jackson and everyone who worked on the original trilogy... They made it so good It's basically ageless and Amazon's LOTR series can't take that away :)
"A woman can only be empowered when she's one-upping a man. No matter how ridiculous the scenario". Gary was spot on with his description of the terrible intersectional feminism that's far too abundant in and dragging down most films coming out lately
These are the same people who believe women joining the workplace was a net positive for society when it was in fact the opposite.
What’s that particular quote from?
@@TheOmegagoldfish 5:30 in the video. Beyond that, not sure. Could've just been a good observation from Gary
@@Enclavefakesoldier wtf? Get out of here.
It gets at it's worse when they introduce a competant intelligent straight white male villain, and as soon as the villain makes constant with the female protagonist, instead of the female being smart or resourceful to overcome the intelligent and competant villain, instead they lower the iq of the villain and drag him down so the female protagonist can easily win without effort. It's so borrrrrrrrrrringgggggggggg.
"You bow to no one" - that scene STILL brings tears to my eyes. Lifelong Tolkien fan, read the books as a teen in the 70s. Peter Jackson's trilogy was almost a religious experience. Some quibbles with Jackson's adaptation, but overall it was magnificent.
And the musical score? Perfection.
The King bowing to the hobbits? It's a false note. The King embodies or incarnates Divinity, he bows only to the Pope in Christendom or in East, to an Enlightened Master.
@@gwynnapnudd702 There is no religion or worship in Middle Earth.
They should bow ...
To the mateiarchy
Middle earth is not earth.
@@gwynnapnudd702 don't ruin the conversation by bringing religion into it
For the most part I can ignore how terrible modern media has become by turning to classic works that are infinitely better, but this perversion and destruction of past works is beyond belief. I knew they would destroy Tolkien's work so I never intended to watch this, but it's existence infuriates me.
I know The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, and LotR to a fanatical degree and as such there are moments, even in the original trilogy, that bother me, but the overall tone and feel was such that you could tell the creators wanted to do Tolkien's world and characters justice. The Hobbit fell of the cliff for a myriad of reasons and now we have this abomination. It's existence is an affront to the millions of people world wide who have read and love Tolkien's works.
I will not watch one minute of this farce, but from time to time, I will be reminded of its existence and that is enough to warrant my anger.
Really puts it in perspective just what we are missing out on by showing us the "you bow to no one" scene at the end - that scene made me tear up and gave me goose bumps, and I seriously doubt the Amazon show will have ANYTHING that will come even close to moving us in the same way the Peter Jackson movies did.
I remember before the Jackson films, it was considered impossible to adapt Lotr. This is the most skeptical fandom I know... but not unreasonable, the Jackson films were embraced. Still, even in the original trilogy, some fans rejected Arwen, and I even remember we were doubtful of Gandalf after the first trailer, because he is introduced with the "is it safe" scene. So even when the product is about as good as its going to get, fans still were critical. Amazon is truly mistaken to think Lotr fans will just fall in line.
Amazon really thought that LOTR fans would be like MCU fans.
They will watch and defend whatever the crap studio produces.
How wrong they were.
@@Mridul.SThe only issue I have with LoTR trilogy is how they treat Gimly. I do not mind him being a bit of dufus, but like really who else out of Fellowship would be the best candidate to be a comedic relief. They did something *very* wrong with him. When the party discovers Balin's tomb he is heartbroken, falls to his knees and cryes out. In the books he just somberly lowers his hood silent. Both versions of reaction are fine with me (though I prefer the somber one), but at the start of the fight he's standing right on top of his kinsmans tomb and is like "Bring it on!". You treated it as sacred like 5 seconds ago mate!. Wouldn't it be better if he was allowed to savagely murder incoming enemies to the point when Gandalf would say something like "Snap out of it! We have to go!"? Any way Moria is one of the most memorable moments in the trilogy.
I really have a feeling we will all be surprised in the end. We have our doubts, but it may actually work in some crazy way.
@@vespenegas261 'Any way Moria is one of the most memorable moments in the trilogy.' Very true. It's the one thing in LOTR books that stood out for me, far above everything else.
@@MikeWhiskyTango Dude, i was in the cinema with my dad watching it for the first time. He never cared about LoTR, he just wanted to spend some time with me and when I told him "How about we see that" he was like "Fine. Why not". I already read the books so when drums started I wispered to him "This is going to be nasty". The figh and the Balrog scenes were enough for him to buy extended cut editions dvds afterwards.
Side note for Gary: The “ice climbing” scene could not be the Noldor crossing the Helcaraxë because there was NO sun LIGHT at that point. The Two Trees were dead and the sun hadn’t been created yet🤷
At that point there would have been starlight
@@cpt.riptide473 The scene is clearly during the day.
@@juliaj7939 Yes, I was pointing out that there wouldn't have been zero light, but if that scene is the elves crossing the ice, then that's an inaccuracy. Let's be real here though, if that's the case, it won't be close to the worst inaccuracy in the show
And Numenor wouldn't have had any non-whites since the world was flat at the time. They will do anything in utter disregard of the lore. Anything goes. Maybe Galadriel slays Sauron in this show.
@@Cowz19999
Then they should change the show's title into "Lady of the Rings" then. Lol
It seems to be lots of pedestrian, checklist “flash” and perfunctory substance. I’ll DEFINITELY give it a shot, but each one of us will *know* from the very first episode whether this is a labor of love and a work that preserves the wonder of Tolkien’s spirit … or if it’s a case of Bezos basically saying, “Bring me the head of a golden unicorn on a plate for the amusement of my guests!”
3:58 "What would Tolkien do?" *a picture of Tolkien giving a middle finger* ROFMAO
Imagine someone going to someone else's house, crashing their d&d game session, ripping up their books, writing down new garbage rules, totally changing how the game operates, installs an incompetent Dungeon Master, makes all the players change their class and race, then if you complain, you are called the toxic one.
Except no one is forcing you to watch is, which is why that comparison makes zero sense.
@@DaveTheFuckingBrave yeah a better analogy would be that someone comes in makes a new shitty rpg with terrible rules and replace D&D with it. Kinda like 4E, but with the politics invading 5e. Then they bully you into allowing everyone into your games or you’re a bigot, then the new folks take over.
@@DaveTheFuckingBrave seems pretty good to me
@@bertimusprime7900 nope, that’s again a horrible analogy because the old material (books, films) are not replaced. It’s literally just a new game based on the old game but you don’t HAVE to play it. No one cares if you don’t.
@@JustinRickerman I bet it does
I almost burst into tears with that snippet of King Aragorn and all of Gondor bowing to our beloved Hobbits 🥺 it’s the measure of how much love we still have for PJ’s adaptation to Tolkien’s masterpiece. This Amazon monstrosity however seems void of any depth, heart or soul. It is already DEAD TO ME ☠️
That is certainly a great scene and an intelligent interpretation of the Field of Cormallen scene in the book, in which Frodo and Sam are hailed by Aragorn and the crowd (Arwen isn't there) and Merry and Pippin are serving as squires.
I'd like to see this Nerdrotic guy tackle some of the more ill-advised changes from the book though.
That scene literally always gets me. When they all bow and the music kicks in I always get something in my eye, I'm not crying honestly.
"Women, do you feel seen?" hahaha I was thinking the other day how one of my all time favorite movies is Boyz N the Hood. I am whiter than Casper and not represented in that film, but who cares? It's a great story with relatable characters. I think those who are obsessed with being represented just have no self worth. And maybe they're right not to have any.
Agreed...
They're incapable of empathy. Which is ironic, since they will bandy that word around like they have exclusive rights.
100% agreed. In fact I've always thought the same. Its the same with all these SJWs, communists, cultural vandals, and MONSTERS that make up AND ACTUALLY USE excuses for why White People like us should be literally exterminated in death camps. I have LITERALLY heard several SJW commies make an "Argument"(if it can even be called that lol) for "why white people should be exterminated". THATS LITERALLY HOW THEY THINK. They are ACTUALLY that demented and that STUPID and EVIL.
" I think those who are obsessed with being represented just have no self worth. And maybe they're right not to have any."
It’s actually made me angry watching what happened/is happening to the franchises I loved growing up. And even into adulthood. Lord of the rings in particular, I owe my imagination to the detailed and descriptive writings of Tolkien. Absolutely gutted seeing these nonces ruin it 🤦🏼♂️
This is something I truly cannot understand: why are the creators of RoP so intent on trying to outdo either Peter Jackson's film adaptations or Tolkien's original story? Are their identities so fragile that they can't simply be humble? If you ever come at someone with the attitude "I'm right, you are wrong", it is going to piss people off, if for no other reason, pride and arrogance is damn unsightly to see in would-be professionals.
I mean they wrote Star Trek: Beyond, they definitely are overqualified for this job and we fans are delusional
A narcissism epidemic of biblical proportions is sweeping across the civilised world like wildfire. This is one explanation.
Because they cannot create, only warp and defile.
Pride is the deadliest of all sins, and the woke possess it in abundance, arrogantly certain that they are correct in all things.
Yes. Their identities are in fact as fragile as…snowflakes
Just makes you realize how much of a damn masterpiece Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy was.
the cartoon movie was and in my opinion, is still better. it didn't need 3 movies just to tell a simple story.
@@Skaarxiong1 what does the cartoon film have to do with the Jackson trilogy? The books have a ridiculous amount of content for 1 movie lol.
Hmm. Although Peter's LotR films are genuinely great, they also contain some serious departures from canon. The intellectual, noble, courageous Frodo of the book was turned into a pretty youth who was robbed of nearly all his heroic moments. Peter clearly favoured Sam's heroism over Frodo's, and it shows. It's painful for me to watch.
Also, I prefer Tolkien's emotional restraint to Peter's over-the-top bombastic approach.
I do love the films and am grateful for them, but they don't get everything right.
True, but those changes are nothing compared to what these teaser trailers display.
@@kingra2650 they're not nothing to me. Frodo is one of the best characters in the story, and this was a serious missed opportunity. ☹ I doubt I will ever see him portrayed as he ought to be. But surprisingly enough my life isn't ruined because of it.
I am 50 years old. I have read The Lord of The Rings. It was a difficult read for me, even as an avid reader. Tolkein's language is so beautiful and so far above my intelligence. This man was on a different level. I also very much enjoyed Jackson's trilogy, most especially the extended blue rays. Just the short bit you played at the end brought tears to my eyes. Those movies are art. I have Prime. I won't watch even a second of this bilge. Amazon can go to Hell.
My favorite part of the trailer was when Elrond morbed into the balrog and shot magma-lightning into Morgoth's penthouse chambers in Barad-dûr and then looked into the camera and said "You just Ringed your last Power." One of the moments of Middle Earth ever.
Peter Jackson’s lotr trilogy was so good (not as good as the books oc) that I teared up with that final clip of a king bowing down to the humble hobbits.
I still mist up when the King bows to the Hobbits in that scene but I’m sure it’s just my seasonal allergies…yeah, definitely allergies.
A scene which loses impact if the Hobbit race are demonstrated to have had an important part in history prior to it.
The Hobbits are meant to be insignificant, having extremely minimal impact on Middle-Earth. Yet 4 managed to change the fate of the world. The moment of the king bowing to these 4 heroes is lost if they decide “Oh nvm, the hobbits have always been important”
One of the things that drive me absolutely nuts about this whole Feminism Version of Tolkien thing is that the women in LOTR ARE powerful women;
Arwen helped persuade Elrond to put faith in Man and kicked Aragorn's butt into gear for accepting his responsibility as King (not even mentioning Arwen saving Frodo's life from the Ring Wraiths).
Galadriel is THE most powerful and wise of all Elves, gave the Fellowship the supplies they needed to help fulfill their journey, and she played a major role in Frodo's development in realizing the weight of his responsibility of being a Ring Bearer and warned him of the dangers of the corrupting nature of the ring.
Eowyn was a woman who couldn't stand by and watch her friends, family, and country suffer any longer without her coming to their aid. She leapt into action and faced the fricking Witch King, the one piece in Sauron's arsenal everybody was fearful of, head-on to save Theoden and killed him (with the help of Merry, of course, who Eowyn also helped give him support and encouraged him to take part in aiding his friends).
TL;DR Tolkien was plenty a feminist in that he still gave his female characters distinctive and strong personalities who played their own part in saving Middle Earth, just like how he did with his male characters. I absolutely detest the fact that in order to make a "strong" female character now, you just have to give them stereotypically male roles and powers instead of appreciating their roles and characters for what they are. How ironically sexist lmao
Very well put.
“I am no man” is one of the most powerful feminist moments in cinema history. Amazon is trying to make an entire series around that scene without actually understanding that females characters don’t need to be carbon copy of males to be strong.
Please don’t slander Tolkien as a feminist, though.
Tolkien was Catholic not a feminist in the slightest. Feminism is cancer no matter how one tries to paint it.
@@samaritan_sys Agreed. Tolkien's portrayal of Eowyn is, if anything, explicitly anti-feminist.
Eowyn is a noble, courageous, but deeply miserable character who goes into battle out of desperation. She's literally described as "seeking death." Her prowess and ability to fill a male role gives her no satisfaction or inner peace, and even her victory over the Witch King only brings her closer to despair.
She only finds healing when she connects with Faramir, a man she can respect and trust in the male role, and consequently, finally let her find peace and joy in being a woman.
This idea that a bunch of hobbits sat in the woods and put bails of straw on their heads is what's making me think "STOOPID!!!"
You can, and often should, move forward, but if you do so without knowing who you are and from where you come from, then you cannot properly plan and know where you are going, and such individuals only become lost.
Our history is a priceless treasure that sadly so many have taken for granted. It was not only meant to informs us of who we were, and explains who we are, but reminds us who we should become--better than those who came before us--NOT by forgetting or dismissing their contributions, but humbling acknowledging that we stand on the shoulders of giants and are only able to reach as high as we have because of those that came before us--sacrificing their blood, sweat, tears, even their very lives paid for what we have today and get to enjoy.
Therefore, those who forget, subvert, and/or replace their past, are condemning themselves to repeating the same errors of the past thereby regressing and not progressing as are meant and ordained to do.
“There is a way that seems right to a man, but it ends is the way of death.” (Proverbs 16:25)
“That which is has already been, and what is to be, has already been; And GOD requires an account of what is past.” (Ecclesiastes 3:15)
Leftism is an immoral ideology that only creates narcissist, division, poverty, misery, destruction, and death. It destroys the heart, mind, and soul of all those who consumed the leftist poisonous cool aid made from leftism’s rotten fruits plucked from leftism’s Tree of Deceit. (Matthew 7:15-20, 12:33; Luke 6:43-45)
Leftism creates narcissist, and a society in which its population consist mostly of narcissist cannot and does not endure. Which is why, throughout human history, ALL leftist (aka pagan) societies have fallen, in the same manner that the first human city/civilization that LEFT the RIGHT way of GOD fell, so too will all who follow in the steps of arrogance and ignorance (Genesis 11 & 19)
Joshau 24:15
John 8:32 & 14:6
Psalms 28:7
Strength and Honor!
New quote for Amazon, showing up in the comment section of the main teaser:
“But as the theme progressed, it came into the heart of Melkor to interweave matters of his own imagining that were not in accord with the theme of Iluvatar; for he saught therein to increase the power and glory of the part assigned to himself.”
JRR Tolkien
Ainulindale, The Silmarillion
Nice Ainulindalë catch.
Evil cannot create, only bankrupt. 💸
So, Jeff Bezos IS Melkor...I always suspected it!
Some angels stopped singing, confused at what was happening, others, even more confused (and in a preluge of what would come next) started following Melkor's theme. BUT even with those intermitions, Éru Ilúvatar himself started to improvise and, somehow, managed to appropriate Melkor's brightest notes from his intromission into Éru's whole composition. Time and time again, Melkor tried to derail the whole thing, only for the main theme by Eru Iluvatar to return triumphantly, even getting supported by Melkor's apparent intromissions. And when the song finalized, Ilúvatar showed all the angels and archangels how with their melody they had shaped the whole world and its history
This is the best comment.
What would Tolkien do? Tolkien would use his mastery of language to write a letter with beautiful prose, detailed descriptions, and about 150 different ways of calling this show an insult to not just his legacy but to art itself. While also finding a way to insult the show runners in such a way they would have to pull out a dictionary to understand it.
He wouldn't have had to write a letter, he simply wouldn't have let them have the rights to start with. At least without guarantees
You all do realize the Tolkien estate absolutely hated the Peter Jackson films. Yes they wouldn't like this, but they hate the adaptions you all like and think it was a disgrace as well. So the purity test is kinda funny.
He could hit them with said dictionary to help them learn.
@@MrJay-be9wh Funny how his son simply said "they lack the seriousness of the books" yet he refused to elaborate how are they less serious
You do realize that we realize that you are a shill? Off you trot, that's a good chap.
Having recently read the Silmarillion, The Rings of Power is the most insane, stupid adaption I have ever seen. "Schizophrenic woke diverse fan fiction" doesn't even begin to describe it. I don't have to wait for the release to know that. I mean, the title itself is about something that basically happens after most of the chronology in the book is old enough to be considered legend.
George, I found you through "Rings of Power Teaser Shitshow | Reactions", and I'm very glad I did! You can turn a marvelous phrase, and (among other things) I love that you remind us of quotes from the great Tolkien himself.
I intend to go on to watch more of your videos, but I first must tell you how utterly beautiful the statues/action figures all around you are. Can I ask-- are they Hot Toys (which I first heard about from the folks at Friday Night Tights), or some other brand? Man, each of those figures are stunning.
The phrase that "elves have their forests to protect" just betrays how poorly thought out the dialogue is.
The elves that these stories are concerned about are the high elves or the eldar. They live in cities and castles in this time. Some live in underground fortresses built with the help of the dwarves. Only the sylvan elves who do not much come into these stories live in the forests but even they have buildings, halls and underground dwellings there. So elves do not mainly live in the forests in this age or any age.
Even when Galadriel later lead the elves of Lothlorien, they had houses and a city built into the trees. So they did not live in the woods even at that very perilous time.
Seems like this story is written by someone who knows elves live in woods and that's about it. At this stage Middle Earth still has more forests because the Numenoreans haven't cut all the trees yet. But the elves still do not live in forests.
That part was kind of the worst, it looked like a lazy introduction to a video game using the most generic descriptions possible. It's written like the audience needs everything to be kept simple and be explained to them... Doesn't bode well.
@@enjoythestruggle I honestly think, that's because their "desired" audience do need that kind of mental hand-holding and any social triggering removed from their entertainment.
"Faith and begorrah, to be sure."
''Houses and a city built into the trees'' is a semantic wordplay admitting they do live in trees. Treehouse means you live in a tree. Come on now.
Lol no didn’t you know Gondolin was just a big ass oak tree, and Rivendale a River Birch?
I don't want a LotR show to represent the modern world. I want it to represent Tolkien's world; the world that fans of all cultures and colors already enjoy and have enjoyed for decades. And if the show writers cared at all about LotR they would want it to represent his world as well.
I can't even imagine the amount of privilege and self-entitlement required to think you can do better than something as successful as LotR by injecting your own world view into it.
Spot on. In my early teens, Tolkien’s universe was my escape from this world. Fuck Amazon’s abomination.
Then don't watch it, guys. It's an adaptation. It's "based-on." It's not canon. It means nothing. Nothing about LOTR or Tolkien's work changes because of this.
The tantrum you're all throwing because you don't know what "adaptation" means is sickening. Seriously, if you can't understand how canon works, why are you EVEN reading Tolkien?
@@davemccombs Oh, don't worry, we WON'T be watching that woke wannabe GOT shitshow with Tolkien surface elements, but we WILL continue to defecate on it at every given opportunity. If you don't like that, too bad.
"I dont want to see blacks in my fantasy show"
@@NineToFiveGamerUC0079 Simón ese! Keep those tintos out!
Never going to forget Gollums last words as he falls into the fires of mount doom with frodos finger and the ring “ for f…s ssake throw that Amazon sshite in after me “ a true hero
My wife always cries at that ending scene from Return of the King. Obviously I would never choke up at such a thing....
I keep going back to how I felt when I saw one of the first trailers for The Fellowship of the Ring before it came out. It showed the shot from "the Ring Goes South" of all the members of the Fellowship cresting a hill. I got chills because I could tell exactly who every character was without having to be told by the casting choices, the way the actors carried themselves, the costumes, everything. With the rings of power trailer, I would have been able to tell maybe who Galadriel was if I hadn't known. The others I would have no idea, even the supposedly canon characters. And I've read the Silmarillion multiple times.
The Númenorians are an ethnic group. They come from three houses, practically perhaps even two, considering the Haladin and their fate. How exactly do we have a diverse ethnic variety in their segregated island kingdom?? That'd be like casting an ethnic variety in edo Japan, or ancient Han China, or the ancient vikings. They are either all white or all black, but they have to be an ethnic monolith at the very least.
I'll even go out on a limb and venture a guess at them being white, considering this quote from RotK, you know, a book which Amazon does actually have the rights to adapt:
"They[men of Lebennin] were reckoned men of Gondor, yet their blood was mingled, and there were short and swarthy folk among them whose sires came more from the forgotten men who housed in the shadow of the hills in the Dark Years ere the coming of the kings."
Yeah in the books numenorean people were very tall, white skin and grey eyes, with black or blond hair, due to his inheritance of the house of Hador and that of Beor. The only numenoreans that are not like that, are the Numenoreans who have mixed with the middle men of the middle earth, and even so during the second age the Numenoreans were not inclined to mix their blood with the blood of "inferior men", it is only until the third age when the numenorean blood is being lost by the miscegenation of the people of Gondor
As far as I know Númenorians were specifically desbribed as fair skinned. I don't remember where I saw it as it has been many years since I read anything Tolkien, but I will find out this information and update this comment.
You don't even need this quote, we know from other information that the Numenorians were Europeans in their visuals.
LOTR is a European story (specifically English) about native, ethnic European-type peoples (specifically rural English, City English, Welsh, Scots, Irish; with some Scandinavian and other European culture groups for flavour). Shock and horror that they'd (gasp) be fair skinned, having all the varieties of hair and eye colour that exist, etc. Who'd have thunk it?
@@Iluvantir This is so obvious and common sense that even I, back in my teenage years, could plainly see it.
Thank you Gary for consistently holding the line about the murder of Professor Tolkien's work, as well as the massacre of other franchises. The show gets wrong the source of Galadriel's power. It was not in strength of arms, but in strength of will, strength of spirit, power & intellect. She was more of a thorn in Feanor's side by sheer diplomacy, which is why left the Undying Lands in the first place. A true woman's power is found in her femininity, not in her pretending to be a man. Look at actual history, like Queen Eleanor of Aquitane for example. She never lifted a sword, but shook 1100's France & England or Queen Victoria in the late 1800's, who built an empire that the sun literally never set down upon by charisma & diplomacy. I know that this is not a popular statement, but it is true nonetheless. May your family, fans & channel be truly blessed Gary
Amazon says "the past is dead" in the deathday of Tolkien.
'The past is dead' is like spitting into the face of a person who loved someone who died for a something worth dying for...and then smiling smugly and waiting for applause...
Its sounds like a party slogan from 1984.
Amazon is committed to following the Netflix, Disney, Victoria secret path of destruction. I for one welcome it.
but then people like me would have no entertiment to watch.
@@thedoctor14blurayreviews75 gotta start looking elsewhere for the good shit. Lot of foreign media is killing our own with great stories, interesting characters, and minimal current year nonsense (if any at all)
THAT WAS ELROND? Seriously, I thought that was Mr. Tumnus with all those people and the peasant girl was Lucy who'd given up on her hygiene. I was.... wait... still waiting on Aslan's appearance.
God just seeing the scene of Aragorn bowing to the Hobbits still gives me chills and it sucks that we are never going to get that again!
"Galadriel his sister went not with him to Nargothrond, for in Doriath dwelt Celeborn, kinsman of Thingol, and there was great love between them. Therefore she remained in the Hidden Kingdom, and abode with Melian and of her learned great deal lore and wisdom concerning MIddle-earth."
J.R.R Tolkien The Silmarillion, page 105., HarperCollins Illustrated Edtion 2021
So much for a warrior Galadriel
“ Sauron is after me Lucky Charms” …….that killed me ! 😂😂😂😂😂
"A time before woke intersectional vandalizations of our beloved stories." A freaking fantastic description of most of the garbage produced from Hollywood these days.
But it’s important to remember that Tolkien himself envisioned a number of different people telling stories set in his world. “In his letter to Milton Waldman, it’s letter 131**,” Payne says, “[Tolkien] said he wanted to create an interconnected mythology that still would leave room for ‘other minds and hands wielding paint and music and drama.’ He wanted other artists to come after him and continue to push the boundaries of expanding what Middle-earth could be. It’s a terrifying but awesome responsibility to take the man himself up on his wish and continue his work in building out Middle-earth.
yes, but Tolkien did NOT want those different people to shit all over his work.
I'm not expecting anything and still manage to be disappointed almost every time in modern movies/series. Rest in peace my man J.R.R, glad you dont have to witness it.
Exactly. Every new Star Trek series. I've been duped 3 times in the past 3 years.
" You haven't seen what I've seen." Yeah, I've seen Peter Jackson's trilogy
Those "superfans" are just butts in seats, paid to be there. They couldn't even come CLOSE to comprehending Tolkien.
If they ever even read the books at all, (which I HIGHLY doubt) they were guaranteed just interested in the surface level aspects of the story. Names and places. Shiny gold and jewelry.
the meteor teaser is the most accurate thing to date, with the right perspective. the meteor is the show and we are the people of middle earth watcing it slowly crash and burn.
Underrated
As a true fan of the original works this just pisses me off. If there was a story I have always wished there was more of it's this one. I can't help myself when I hear of new works based on the world of Tolkien, wether it's a book, series, movie, video game, etc, I can't help myself the dopamine hits me instantly. Now to see what was a close to perfect work dissected by a bunch of participation trophy ass wipes makes my heart hurt.
Yur heart does not hurt alone. Many a hearts are suffering. & we will share in that egregious pain on Sept the 2nd
@Václav Hakaľ you haven't been following along for 6 plus years like must of us here have. These Satanists out themselves, we dont need to see it
Agreed. I'm all for games being made for our entertainment, and I'm even all for fans to write fan-fiction stories. If it comes from real fans of Tolkien's works then they are usually good for fun. I was a fan-fiction writer with a group of friends, writing in the Star Trek universe. It can be a lot of fun, we got to explore "possible changes" to various alien species (trying our best to extrapolate from the set Lore and Media what might have caused them to be X or Y way, etc), and got to create our own characters to play in that world. Our made up stories were for fun only and we never tried thinking it was canon or lore. I focused on Vulcans and showing that emotion might be suppressed but still there and tried putting some Vulcan characters into situations to see if it would make sense for emotion to be elicited, etc.
When Fan-Fiction is done by fans it's a homage to the original. It's why I don't mind "Shadow of Mordor" nor "Shadow of War" computer games. They sure butchered the timeline of established history to make those games, but just the feel of it, the look, the sound, the lore being relayed (changed in places to fit, but still changed RESPECTFULLY in order to make their Game-Fan-Fiction work), showed heart and love for Tolkien.
I'm mostly a purist when it comes to the actual two books Tolkien published (Hobbit and LOTR) but even then I understand why changes needed to be made when PJ did his first Trilogy. He and those working and acting in LOTR had heart and love and respect for Tolkien. I'm perfectly okay with games like SoM and SoW changing things up in order to give us gamers a fun playground set in Middle Earth to rampage through. I'm perfectly okay with fans making Fan-Fiction that may even change Lore and History of Tolkien's world in order for them to experiment and have fun in: so long as there is heart, and love, and respect.
Amazon are showing everything but Heart and Love and Respect. They are trying to pass this off as a "story Tolkien never wrote", but then missing the point as to why he never wrote it.
He had talent, respect for history, respect for himself, and respect for his readers. He wouldn't have abused his own established lore just to fit in with modern woke crowd. Certainly not as he was a devote Catholic, for pete's sake.
Convert that anger into action to develop and support alternative media that gets it right, instead of worrying about what the clowns are doing. We don't need corporations like Amazon or Disney, we need new studios and businesses supported by the people who actually have talent and compassion for their work.
@@reallue Amen; and we will make AMAZON SUFFER even more than they have made US suffer for their abomination. We will NEVER "accept" this. This WILL be boycotted by literally everyone who has ever read Tolkiens books.
Honestly I find this SHIT Amazon is doing even MORE offensive than The Last Jedi which intentionally was created to DESTROY Star Wars while shitting on THE FANS aka THE PAYING CUSTOMERS(and on Luke) in the process. We have seen the same song and dance a hundred times from the SJW commies before NOBODY BUYS IT. Nobody is gonna "give this a chance" like IDIOTS like to say. We all KNOW what this is. Its "The Last Jedi: Lord of the Rings edition" targeting Tolkiens life works, this time, instead of Star Wars.
How does one go about finding out ratios now that CZcams has stopped reporting thumbs down numbers?
Those who move forward without the past are half blind, as anyone with an interest in Egyptian mythology can tell you.
That last bit had me howling, great job.
It would be great if they could arrange for a re-release of the Peter Jackson trilogy with as many deleted scenes restored as possible on the same day that rings of power starts streaming.
I know what I'll be doing on Sept 2nd, and it wont be logging into Amazon Prime.
PLEASE someone make this a thing 💛
🤣👏👌
A famous nu metal artist once said: "Old does not mean dead, new does not mean best." Also: "I will not celebrate mediocrity. I will not worship empty shells. I will not listen worthless noises. I will not subject myself to selected, predictible choices." I think we can all agree that Amazon deserves a loud "We are not your kind!" in regard to this travesty of an adaptation.
Fred Durst, nice
You could flip that the other way around too and say that old doesn't mean good and new doesn't mean bad. By thinking in this way then you fall into the trap of also making the same 'predictable choices'.
I liked that quote a lot more before I saw the next comment and who said it😬🤣
@@korbendallas8488 Yes, my favourite member of Slipknot
@@leosalonen1564 Well, you could *choose* to read it that way, but I wouldn't and I'm pretty sure we know what the intent of the quote was. No one says "new" isn't potentially good, just that being "new" is not enough to be considered "best."
6:05 I’m guessing that is the first kinslaying. It is mentioned in Unfinished Tales that Galadriel fought to defend her kin in that battle. I believe that is the only mention of Galadriel ever fighting in the legendarium.
I know this is kind of reflected by my pfp...but The Children of Hurin would have been a magnificent story to adapt instead. The themes are lot darker and more adaptable to what a modern consumer unfamiliar with Tolkien might enjoy, yet it still has the beauty and lore-contextualization to please the long-time fans and people who have read and adore Tolkien's extended works. Plus....it's just a hell of a lot more adaptable to a show in general. Tons of characters, a realistic time frame for a TV series (it only follows the highly eventful life of Turin Turambar,) and tons of opportunities for insane sets; from Menegroth, Nargothrond and Dor-Lomin to the hellscape of Angband, the Anfauglith and the pinnacles of Thangorodrim. Imagine what the scale of the Nirnaeth Arnoediad could look like with a billion dollar budget.
“Don’t buy my book!” “This will make the fans mad, and that’s good.” Etc. The real problem is that studios haven’t figured out that a business should not hire people who prize their victimhood status as much as success. They are fine with failure because it reinforces the victim status they value.
They value their victimhood far more highly than success.
@@DetectiveBarricade exactly
Compare the Galadriel from the Jackson's trilogy who had an air about her that was powerful to this new Galadriel who wears armour but yet seems more fragile.
Galadriel never needed to wear armor and fight with swords.
Her power was beyond that of the physical world, what need would she have to use a pointed stick?
Gotta love the irony. The more tough you make someone out to be the more you reveal their insecurities.
Obviously Tolkien and the writers of the Jackson movies were sexist
And of course the people who morphed one of the most memorable and unique feminine characters of LoTR into a generic STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER are not the actual sexists
@@antonissamp6654 prior to FotR being released, there was massive outrage from some purists about the expansion of Arwen's role.
Some fans have very selective memories!
Funny because I think the actress can take the role of Celebrian, Galadriel's daughter, instead. She just look too young. She's even younger-looking than Elrond's actor. 🤦♀️ And putting armor on her and giving her that sword makes her look more ridiculous.
Brienne of Tarth is an example of a well-written warrior badass woman who still has her fair share of shortcomings and obstacles which (at least in the books) hold her back from measuring up to many of the better male fighters she encounters as well as with the complexities she exhibits of still wanting to be seen as a woman in the eyes of the man she loved as a result of her physicality. The end result is that when she does eek out a victory, it feels so much more earned and tense as the author has allowed her to fail before, especially in a series that goes through character deaths like it's going out of style.
Just one example, but there's TONS of well-written badass women in media who take a lot of flak or just get completely glossed over in favor of women who look like supermodels pretending that they could ever go toe to toe with a guy who's got half a meter and thirty kilos on her, and as such never struggles with any feelings of body image nor struggles with anything placed before them; not to mention any trauma they have is usually shallow and unearned, added for a cheap moment rather than to show a softer side of a character who's been molded by violence and combat.
I well remember the very first short trailer for Jackson's FotR. It showed the Nine Companions walking through a small gap at the top of some mountains. Even back then, it was clear that some sort of visual effect had been used to create the differential physiques of Gimil and the Hobbits and the rest of the Company. Nonetheless, there was something strangely otherworldy about the short scene which I felt captured something of the essence of Tolkien's atmosphere which made me feel the film's makers had fully immersered themselves in the trilogy and I immediately bought into what was to come.
The trailer/teaser for this new show lacks an authentic atmosphere and feels too much like boxes are being ticked which does not bode well. I'm certain Professor Tolkien never ticked boxes except maybe in a multiple choice question in a school exam. And I don't know about the dentition of the High Elves such as Galadriel et al but I'm guessing they would've had more or less perfect teeth and not gapped central incisors!
“The canons of narrative in any medium cannot be wholly different, and the failure of poor
films is often precisely in exaggeration, and in the intrusion of unwarranted matter owing to not perceiving where the core of the original lies.”
“He has cut the parts of the story upon which its characteristic and peculiar tone principally depends, showing a preference for fights; and he has made no serious attempt to represent the heart of the tale adequately: the journey of the Ringbearers.”
“Here I may say that I fail to see why the time-scheme should be deliberately contracted. It is already rather packed in the original, the main action occurring between Sept. 22 and March 25 of the following year.”
“The many impossibilities and absurdities which further hurrying produces might, I suppose, be unobserved by an uncritical viewer; but I do not see why they should be unnecessarily introduced. Time must naturally be left vaguer in a picture than in a book; but I cannot see why definite time-statements, contrary to the book and to probability, should be made,”
“The last and most important pan of this has, and it is not too strong a word, simply been murdered.” J.R.R. Tolkien
This. Thisthisthis!
The only real noticeable time-jump in Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy was the very start, between the Birthday Party and Bilbo leaving to when Gandalf returned and set Frodo and Sam on their quest to get to Bree. I believe the actual time period in the book is about 15 years or so between those two events, but in the film it seems to have only been weeks or months at most, thus Bilbo's aging seemed VERY fast. But all things considered, that time-compression is perfectly acceptable in film-making to keep people engaged and interested, and the "swifter aging" of Bilbo is (in film) easily deduced to be a "cold-turkey" reaction to giving up the One Ring after having had it for 50-70 years but not having been as corrupted by it as Smeagol was. Gollum didn't seem to have rapidly aged, but then he had possessed it for 500 years before it left him, so he was already well past the area of corruption and degradation that Bilbo had experienced.
BUT what about Stargate?!
@@Iluvantir It was a few months shy of 17 years to be precise. Frodo received the Ring on his 33rd birthday and left Bag End on his 50th. Gandalf returned a few months before Frodo set out on his journey.
@@sr71silver Thanks. I never remember dates and exact numbers.
I hope it flops so hard,that Amazon never again wants to do a thing like this and those who made it never again get a job in this industry.
If it survives,i hope it will have a 3rd season,just to prove that "every show gets better at the 3rd season" is bullmanure.
I hope it finally makes corporations like Disney and Amazon realize that going woke only leads to going broke
They'll move mountains in order to make a third season, come hell or high water. And they'll shill even harder than Di$ne¥ did for the movie Captain Marvel.
Not that it will help. ST Picard, Discovery, the 13th Doctor Who, Batwoman, they'll look good when compared to THIS turd.
When people ask me what film made me cry, I always say the "you bow to no one" scene. This generation will never understand the culmination of well told stories that lead to such a moment. They're all about instant gratification. That is why this will fail.
I fact checked; The Lord of the Rings, Appendix B, The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands), The Third Age + The Lord of the Rings, Prologue, I. "Concerning Hobbits" - Harfoots are indeed in the lore - "The Harfoots were the first to migrate westward into Arnor, and there the Dúnedain named them Periannath or halflings, as recorded in Arnorian records around TA 1050. They tended to settle down for long times, and founded numerous villages as far as Weathertop."
I can't help thinking that this was always going to happen. The film machine was always going to tear down Tolkein's works at some point in time. Why?
Because I remember way back 20 years ago when The Two Towers came out. And they were interviewing all the actors. One of them was Bernard Hill (King Theoden). He kept going on and on and on in his interview that the cast was white and the books were white because blah, blah, blah Tolkein was writing white.
And it really struck me as off based and odd. Why?
I'm not white, but that LOTR is a mythology based on ancient celtic myths in a fantasy version of England did not bother me. I wasn't seeking for it to mirror me because it was FANTASY. It never entered my head that there should be DIVERSE things in it.
So the fact that this actor kept going on and one about it had my alarm bells ringing.
Well the shoe just dropped. As it always would be and they knew it 20 freaking years ago!
its happening with every tv show adaptation nowadays unfortunately. Why cant they just stick to the source? its that easy
I tried finding this interview, but no luck. What should I search for? Thanks.
@Helsby
Still European culture , they don’t have the right to appropriate it
I'd have no problem with black(or any other ethnicity) elves/dwarfs or whatever, but write a new story, even if it was based(cough ripped-off) of Tolkien, I really think they're incapable of doing so at this point, they've done nothing but remake hosed down versions of all the good 70-80s movies the last 20 years. I refuse to give these idiots my money, so many good older/foreign movies to watch.
@@mikeyc4530 They obscure and reveal info at will online. I forgot the exact venue the interview was posted on 20 years ago. I wish I had kept it. But I didn’t realize them that they were planning to make a sacrifice of Tolkien’s work.
Shit. The last 10 seconds showing everyone knelling before the hobbits hit me in the heart. It also showed how Aragorn's crown looks a helluva lot more realistic than the plastic nose pieces the horses were wearing.
"the plastic nose pieces the horses were wearing."
That sums it up from first viewing unfortunately.
Plastic deep.
@Let Your L⚡️GHT Forever Shine ❤️ Isaiah 13:16
Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes;
their houses will be looted and their wives violated.
Yeah, those things looked just.. bad.
I got chills immediately and teary eyed at just that one clip even though I have seen the film more than a dozen times. Nothing will ever compare to Peter Jackson’s trilogy. It was the perfect time, place, and people. You can’t repeat that.
I honestly think, that this IP was not meant to make money for them... i think its more like "if it makes money, ok"
The goal was to destroy it movies wise... make sure it flops so much that eventually it would die out in mainstream media.
Therefore less and less persons read or watch something related to LOTR
And the reason why they want to kill LOTR is kinda obvious.
Hmmm...not sure I agree with this video. Moob armour aside, I thought these trailers looked OK. Also, I don't understand what's so wrong with Galadriel being a warrior. She was considered the most powerful elf in ME in the 3rd Age. She demolished Dol Guldur on her own at the end of the LotR story. She was pretty badass.
If "the past is dead", why are Amazon having anything to do with Tolkien, period? Why not write something from scratch, something woke from the ground up? We all know the answer to this question, which is the past isn't dead, it's all they've got to take anything from, which has an ounce of credibility and quality!
Can you imagine if they created something themselves?
Wokeists are generally bad storytellers and make bad stories, Neil Gaiman's Sandman stories being a rare exception to the rule.
It wouldn't sell and they know it.
Because they can't create, only destroy. They tie their garbage to the coat tails of greatness hoping that it will cover the stench of corruption.
Apologists: "You can't tell whether the show will be bad if you haven't seen a single episode."
Me: "I've seen my share."
You don't have to have seen something to know that either it will be bad or it's not for you. This was never for me from the second the first trailer dropped. And I only saw the Peter Jackson movies.
Msm quotas guarantee it will be garbage. As sure as the sun will rise tomorrow , this will be trash.
Ah, Dirty Harry always puts things into terms I can understand.
You know what's funny? My brother is knee-deep with the woke crowd, I got to meet dozens of them over the years, and not ONE gives two shits about classic geek culture IPs like LOTR, Star Wars, Trek, Marvel and so on. When they do watch shows/movies is queer stuff like "Modern Family" or some pretentious "cool" hipster indie shit. So I can only assume that a big portion of these woke renditions' income is provided by the non-woke fans. Crazy times.
If I go the pub and they serve me a glass of piss, I'm not gonna drink it no matter how much it looks like beer.
I am writing this as the commercial before the video is playing. I am so scared of the video because I do not want to see what Amazon has done to LOTR
The ending with u put of the scene with Aragorn and the hobbits just shows how vastly different and so much better PJ's version is. The entire time I watched Amazon's trailers I thought it was cheaply made, like the entire team was just lazy and it all didn't captivate me. When the scene with Aragorn came up, I suddenly felt pulled in and like I needed to pay attention.
Aye, indeed. Even now, that "You bow to no one," line, King Aragorn says is such a beautiful and heartwarming conclusion to that chapter of the story. What makes it even better is the Hobbits confused looks on their faces, as they are so sweet and innocent, they have no real understanding about the size and scope of what it is that they have just done for the world.
As if they are thinking; 'We're mere Hobbits... but why would you bow to us?' Yet we, the reader/viewer understand it and that is why Tolkien's work stands the test of time.
I rarely get emotional but that scene is beautiful as is 99% of Peter Jackson's interpretation of Middle Earth. Whereas this, is a cheap imitation with no heart, no soul but all-in agenda driven nonsense.
Anyone else notice that they've neglected to include the ONE (just ONE) characteristic we knew about the physical description of Elendil? He's supposed to be Elendil the Tall, not the Elendil the kinda normal. I understand wanting to cast a decent actor (5'11"), but wasn't there even one man that was at least 6'6" or thereabouts with an acceptable CV? If they can't get characteristics that simple to make sense, what else have they screwed up (beyond what's already known, such as the supposed "coastal capital" of Numenor).
I liked the portrayal of Elendil in the movies more. He looks too young, and Middle Men-ish. But let's not talk about Isildur...
In the book, Galadriel is 1.85, this Amazon Galadriel is 1.60. If they planned to make Galadriel a warrior, why didn't they choose a tall female actor? This Woman's appearance is not bad, but her voice does not suit Galadriel as well. On the other hand, all male characters in the LotR books is above 1.90. However in films, all male actors were under 1.85.
Elendil was 7 feet 11 inches. An absolute unit of a Numenorian.
Good point. The Numenoreans were a race of Supermen, both mentally and physically. How about the guy who played Christ in Mel Gibson's movie?
@@SuperNintendoChalmers1 Source: Unfinished Tales. It's in the notes to the Beacons of Gondor: Elendil was buried on (what became) the beacon-hill of Amon Anwar (the Halifirien)
"The past is dead ... we either move forward or die with it." So, why did Amazon chose to twist and mutate Tolkien's work rather than come up with something new and original to fascinate us with? "Because the profits would die and we either move our profits forward or die with it."
Lol! So well putted...
The funny thing is... If they just had the guts to make a cheesy middle earth clone/action movie with their own story, "Diverse and Inclusive" cast and "Not Hobbits/Elves/Dwarves/Orcs I'd have probably watched it and enjoyed it as a guilty pleasure.
Rings Of Power... I will not even watch that skin walker of a show if they paid me.
@@Tom-sd9jb We all know you will watch it though and secretly, if we just remove the entirety of LOTR from the lore, story line, characters and just block your ears every time someone says a familiar name, it could just be "The ring story, with a Narnia story line and a strange love interest in two people who have no interest in love, are eternal beings and dont look 20 because they're 4000 years old and fully developed. Also, Elrond literally looked the same during the main battle of the entire LOTR franchise yet, here, looks like he's just falled out of the womb.
"Galadriel didn't go to Numenor"... I think the trailer shows her sailing TO Valinor (sent there half-convinced by Elrond to "put down her sword") but she probably bails out and throws herself back into the sea... there she meets Halbrand... and together they sail back to Numenor. She wears the same gown/dress during the tempest shots shown.
Seeing him in that ice scene, I was expecting him to say ''see, I said Winter was coming''...
If only the other "Fandoms" out there were as connected and intelligent as the Tolkien Fandom! Mad respect to those Fans for trying to make sure this garbage gets absolutely demolished.
Amazon really thought that LOTR fans would be like MCU fans.
They will watch and defend whatever the crap studio produces.
How wrong they were.
The show seems incredible you are overreacting and bashing on good work done by thousands of good people disgusting
@@ricardomadleno564 incredible? Lmao wut... it looks like overproduced fan fic.. stop gargling the corpo sack
Its never going to happen.... You think all the basic fantasy fans not caring thaat much about how true the series is to Tolkiens work will care? No they will not. We are so outnumbered. Just wait. In october we will just be seen as angry fantasy incel hipsters with no lives.
@@ricardomadleno564"Incredible!!?"
you are delusional bruh!!