Jon Connington - ASOIAF Character Analysis
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Hello everyone! Today I'm analyzing my favorite #asongoficeandfire POV character, Jon Connington. What do you think? Is there anything I missed? What do you think of #houseofthedragon so far? Be sure to leave a comment, as well as like the video and subscribe if you enjoy. More #asoiaf content is on the way!
Thank you all for watching! This was a bit more laid back than my usual faire, but I had this thought and wanted to share this. I'll be back with more theories next week! Art in this video is by TheMico!
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00:00 Introduction
00:58 Youth and Glory
02:14 The Battle of the Bells
04:27 Griff
05:48 The Lost Lord
09:48 The Griffin Reborn
12:13 The Grey Hand
14:25 Jon Connington - Zábava
As with many characters in ASOIAF, Jon Connington is ultimate driven by love...
Or at least, love for a romanticized idea. Love for a distant memory. Love for a future than could have been.
For sure, JonCon's love for Rhaegar feels more wholesome than Robert's infatuation with Lyanna or Littlefinger's obsession with Cat. But like those characters, he is a lonely man living in the past.
I love those comparisons! It’s incredibly interesting to see how the expressions of this love or obsession tend to vary between each individual person.
Robert Baratheon was condemned to death by the Mad King when he had done nothing he was forced to fight or die. He didn't just fight for Lyanna, he also fought for his survival as well as justice for his friends. Connington was on the wrong side of the war but refuses to acept the truth because of his deep love for Rhaegar so he demonizes Robert, the rebels and the people of the Stoney Sept.
You forgot Cercei she is also in this idea of love with Rhaegar
100%
I think Jon Con parallels Jorah in that way. Jon Con loved Rhegar the same way Jorah loves Dany. Maybe Dany will die and Jorah will have to live the way Griff does, sad, homesick, and in love with a dead Targareon.
The Griffin Reborn was one of my favourite chapters from Dance with Dragons. Man past his prime with a lot of regrets and with only one goal. To make his ward the next King.
Finally, there is so little on CZcams about ageon and Jon con on yt. Finally, serious stuff
Order of the green hand.
Fr I listened to hours of content before Alt mentioned about Young Griff
Agreed
Faegon
If Jon Connington had actually burnt down an entire town to kill one man, even a would-be usurper, it probably would have had the effect of making Robert’s rebellion grow even larger and added another atrocity to the list of reasons to end the Targaryen dynasty.
It makes sense for Connington to think as he does, but the North, Vale, Riverlands, and Stormlands would be locked into revolt, and without dragons as super weapons, the threat isn’t really reproducible in the same way.
I know it’s fiction and what happens is what needs to happen, but greater cruelty isn’t really the savvy move and shouldn’t be confused as if it is.
You’re absolutely correct, as displayed by how quickly the Lannisters fell apart after Tywin’s demise. Connington idolizing that will likely play a key role in his inevitable downfall.
If he’d burned that town and killed Robert I doubt the Mad King would let Eddard live. Tully’s had to help their liege Lord so could be forgiven easily.
The episode happened the way it did to help the whole story of course. Yes perhaps Tywin would have forgiven Ned but likely the king would have been furious he’d let him go thus sacking his Hand and demanding Ned’s death. The bloke was unhinged as it was which lead to all this kicking off.
@@stevepirie8130Aerys was going to go sooner or later. It was just a matter of what would take him out.
This was awesome. J-Conn also gets my vote as most likely to burn King's Landing. Due to Dean Charles Chapman's revelation that Tommen was originally set to die in battle and suicide was a VERY last minute change, I've moved away from the idea that the Sept gets blown in the books. However, given Jon's past connection to a Sept I can't rule its incineration out entirely.
I wonder if he'll think Cersei is hiding in the Sept of Baelor during the sack of KL and order it burnt to atone for his failure to burn the Stoney Sept, except he'll be wrong and wind up killing loads of innocent people. So his "atonement" will be a worse failure than the first one ever was. To protect Jon, could team fAegon blame Cersei, painting it as a murder-suicide from a desperate woman after realizing she'd lost the battle? I actually thought that's how Cersei would die in the show after realizing she'd lost to Daenerys, but I digress. Even if the Cersei stuff doesn't happen, I still see a tragic end for J-Conn. Unfortunately. Awesome video as always!
One thing I find curious is the fact that we don't really know how Jon raised aegon. How does JonCon perceive him as an individual, not rhaegar's son?
That’s a great question! He thinks of Aegon as a son a few times, but it’s unclear if that’s just keeping up their Griff/Young Griff facade. Hopefully we’ll get more insight during his chapters in Winds!
@@QuinnTheGM
At the very least he views (f)Aegon as a surrogate son, pseudo-adopted perhaps
If you think about it- there’s a far darker and sinister echo of the Jon-f(Aegon) relationship in Littlefinger-Sansa (Alayne). They’re obviously different in extremely important ways- but these respective relationships might both involve the projection or transfer of love of the parent to their child. Both men are pretending to be related to the child of their respective great loves (uncle, father) to protect them & their eventual return to power. GRRM often likes to play with fulfillment, desire, and denial- he will both pay tribute to and dismantle romantic myths about heroes or knights but comparing Jon - Littlefinger actually shows how an individual’s relationship with the love of their past manifests in very different ideas and attitudes towards the offspring they constantly think of themselves in relation to.
I am not making a prediction here, to be clear- I think it’s just another way GRRM uses both authentic and performed familial ties to explore different, individual kinds of value systems which people act upon.
@@viviandarkbloom1447 thats crazy, good one
@@viviandarkbloom1447 i love this.
I always found it a bit weird that Aerys let Jon Con live, even in exile, after his failures in the war, given the facts that Jon was Rhaegar's friend, Aerys and Rhaegar hated each other, and the Mad King had disposed of previous hands that failed him in the war.
That’s definitely a bit of an anomaly.
I think it’s because
1. Varys didn’t subtly urge Aerys to put Jon Con to the fire
2. Jon Con failed but he didn’t question Aerys like his predecessor and successor as Hand did
You should do a Theon analysis next. One of the most complex and interesting character arcs
Jon Con is about to get in touch with his inner Walter White
Great job, Quinn! I agree with you- I think that destruction of King's Landing will be JonCon's doing/unraveling due to his ptsd and declining health. D&D have a history of merging stories of several characters, so I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case with bells as well.
Finally it's here
First off, sick thumbnail🔥 The analysis is also spot on, the shift in mindset is definitely from him realizing he has greyscale.
And I'd love a deep dive like this into Sandor Clegane. I've always had a sneaking suspicion that his affinity for protecting the Stark girls is because something bad (Gregor most likely) happened to his sister when he was a kid.
"I tried to grasp a star, overreached, and fell."
The time bomb Jon con carries with grey scale could go off to destroy the realm as George did want a sickness to hit the story sooner.
Argon is a perfect raised prince learning to rule for the people so he's definitely going to take a lot of land and possibly repeat magor and fight the zealots of the faith
By the time Dany shows up, Westeros is going to be a mess:
-Aegon’s probably just won a brief but bloody civil war and taken the Iron Throne
-Religious conflict
-A greyscale epidemic across the South
-Winter has came
-whatever the hell Euron does, or the consequences thereof
-And, of course, the real threat is the White Walker invasion/Long Night 2: The Re-Freezing
@@warlordofbritanniaThe Long Night 2: The Longer Night
Great stuff! I'm (re)reading one of his POV chapters now. Thanks for all your content!
Would love to see a analysis of Patchface, haven’t seen too much of him on YT
Also love your videos on ASOIAF! incredibly well done and your takeaways are well thought out
I’d love to do a video on Patchface! Such an interesting character.
If you’re gonna do more character analyses, I’d love to seen one for Brienne, her POV in Feast is probably my favorite in the whole series, at least so far, and I’d be interested to hear what you think and your analysis
Brienne is one of my favorite POVs too.
Arya in ACoK and ASoS was great as well, along with Jaime too
Good job. Lord connington and Victorian greyjoys chapters are my fav. Pov chapters as well
Victarion...damn autocorrect lol
Thank you he’s one of my favorite POV characters in the series too. My favorite simp in asiof by far.
Jorah will always be the simp closest to my heart ❤️
Great video. Argument for Connington still being a heart in conflict with itself might be saving Tyrion, who he hates, because Tyrion saved someone he loved. And abandoning the plans they'd spent a generation working for because he contracted greyscale and just wanted to get on with it so he could get home before he died, even though it was a significant gamble.
WOOOO I’ve been looking forward to this one 👌🏻
Man I can't wait to see what Jon Connington and The Golden Company do Winds of Winter.
The combination of Aegon the Heir,the history of the Golden Company and Jon Connington's mindset of "Doing what Tywin would do"
And the desperation/extremely limited time span due to the Greyscale infection that's inflicted Jon Connington is just a powder keg.
I just found about your channel yesterday, keep the videos going, they're awesome!
If you keep posting on Jon Con and Aegon you may have just found a goldmine of rarely talked about plots on youtube
I’m fully on team Aegon in Winds, so I’ll likely post more in the future!
interesting i really never thought about the similarities between John Cons thoughts and what it may mean for the burning of kings landing but actually makes sense
Great video man. Such a under appreciated character. I love his 2 chapters and all of the shy maid chapters some of my favorite in asoiaf.
Keep doing character analysis, the format is entertaining and interesting
That thumbnail art is just beautiful. The beard and cloak kinda remind me of Sl*ve Knight Gael from Dark Souls games
Great recap of a character who came into the novels late but was very interesting to follow.
thank you for what you do!
i am for sure similarly as passionate about the subject matter
I'd love to see more videos like these!
The image in the beginning was my Desktop wallpaper through my senior year in high school
Great video man!
You've gotten me more interested in JonCon, your video seems him to be a loose cannon who I am excited to see in the books
Great video dude!
ASOIF videos. The content keeping me hopeful
Jon con is my favorite character!!! Awesome vid
Do your students know that you're secretly famous? 🤣 Can't wait to see you doing collaborations, and you should totally do a video on Jaime in this style. Jaime is my favorite and I know you'll explain to everyone why that is the case. On another note though, it occurred to me that Jon con doesn't have to be the one to spread greyscale. Tyrion and Aegon were exposed too. Thoughts?
I wouldn’t call myself famous, but they do not, and I prefer to keep it that way lol. I’d love to do one of these about Jaime! It might end up like an hour long, comparing his arc to Jon’s two chapters, but it’d be worth it.
As for the others having greyscale, it’s a definite possibility! I think that Aegon is more likely to have it than Tyrion, as it would’ve likely manifested at some point during Tyrion’s Dance POV. Aegon is a bit of an unknown in a lot of regards, and having greyscale could very much add to that.
Great vid! Don’t see the enough on Jon Con!
Great video. More please.
Love it. I wish winds would come out lol
Do Victarion and or the drowned man!
I think the biggest flaw with the show is that they did not include Jon Con and Young Griff. That’s why the story became so aimless by the later seasons. Simply adding these characters would’ve helped a ton.
I wonder what Jon Connington will do if he finds out Young Gryff is not Aegon Targaryen, he is so devoted to Rhaegar's legacy so I'm not sure he would want a fake Targaryen on the throne on the other hand he raised young Gryff as his own son for years so whatever choice he chooses would be heartbreaking for him.
He might already be dead or nearing death by then anyway. And if not, then perhaps the shock could kill him.
Do a Martell analysis
"Griff" is clean shaven and doesn't grow his beard until he begins his voyage across the Narrow Sea. "...to his surprise, it grew in, mostly, red."
Doesn’t this have pretty significant implications for the fAegon theory?
If part of Jon Con’s motivation to put Young Griff on the throne is that he was in love with Rhaegar Targaryen and wants to do right by Rhaegar by putting his son on the throne… That means that at the very least Jon Con believes that Young Griff is the trueborn son of Rhaegar Targaryen. So Jon Con is either being deceived by someone who wants to put fAegon on the throne, or he knows that Young Griff is the trueborn son of Rhaegar Targaryen, making the fAegon theory false.
I would love to see Jon Con meet Jon snow after Jon comes back to life and learns who is parents are and the possibility that he was named Jon after his father's best friend
I was just wondering where/when George confirmed JonCon was gay as you say in the video? It was already a headcanon of mine (and I mean it seemed like Martin was trying to hint at that in JonCon’s POV), I’ve just not heard that it was confirmed before
Martin confirmed at a signing that a POV character in Dance was gay, and out of the four new POVs (JonCon, Barristan, Quentyn, Mel), JonCon seems to be the only one who fits the bill.
www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/5457/
JonC is great!
Not sure if this is answered somewhere but where is Robert's army during the Battle of the Bells? Where did they go? Why is he alone?
It was just after one of Robert’s only defeats, the Battle of Ashford. His army had been killed, scattered, or pushed back, and he’d ended up at Stony Sept.
Lord Randyll Tarly had beaten Robert’s force allowing the loyalists to siege Storm’s End where Stannis held out supplied by the Onion Knight.
maybe Connington was Snow's namesake instead of Arryn.
Considering that GRRM doesn't generally DO coincidence, did anyone else notice that in his PoV chapter we get the line "All men must die."? I'm not saying there HAS to be anything there, but what I AM saying is:
Valar Morghulis
Every day I find myself wishing Tyrion had grayscale instead of Jon Con. I know it's part of his story but darn it felt so unfair, loved the fact that he was a PoV.
I kind of wonder if JonCon learning the ‘truth’ of FAegon’s heritage (ie he is a Blackfyre and not actually Rhaegar’s son) will change his loyalties …?
Jon and rhaegar are kind of like the flip of brienne and and renly
Finally, our beloved redhead !!!
JonCon may spread greyscale amongst Mace Tyrell’s forces..
No? That’s not how the disease works
I love Jon Con, Blackfyres and my favourite Golden Company.
I wonder if he was right...
Would the rebellion have ended with Robert dead?
Or would Ned have been able to take command of the forces and lead them to the battle on the trident?
Or would Rhaegar have offered good terms and they would have settled a peace?
So many characters in this story have this delusional love infatuation with Rhaegar well I guess not so many but it’s just funny to me that Cersei someone who rhaegar never even met was completely obsessed with him and still is during the time of the series and Jon connington although he was friends with the prince his feelings for the prince were never mutual. In conclusion, Rhaegar is a riz god
It's okay Jon we all hate The Bells.
I’m interested on your opinion on N&A = J?
I think the evidence for R + L = J is overwhelming.
What would JonCon do if he is confronted with knowledge or proof that Aegon isn't what he appears to be?
Well that conflict with himself will soon return once he finds out his beloved’s son is not really his beloved’s son but the ENEMY of the house of his beloved… what do you think he’ll do in that moment? The kid he raised as his own turning into the enemy of that who he loved most in his life…
Idk if Roberts head on a spike woukd have ended tge rebellion then and there. It was eay to late for Ned and Jon Arynn to bend a knee, and likeky too late for Hoster Tully
Would Jon betray young Griff for jon snow if he finds out that snow if legitimate and Griff isn't?
If Dany burns down King's Landing in the books I think it will be because there is a grey scale outbreak and burning the city will be the only way to prevent it from spreading through the rest of Westeros. I think Jon Connington will start that outbreak but not intentionally.
But that’s not how the disease works.
I still think Jon will get triggered by the bells ringing in King’s Landing and do something reckless.
I feel like he has a pretty solid chance of getting rid of his greyscale he he chops off his hand but also goes to old town for treatment
He’s currently marching away from Oldtown, and cutting off a limb doesn’t always stop the spread. Plus someone else could catch it from the severed arm. That said, there’s definitely a chance he cures it! I do want my favorite character to live.
@@QuinnTheGM well that’s why I said he’d have to go to old town, because just cutting it off isn’t a sure thing, but in regards to people catching it from his hand, he could just burn his hand and bury it lol
Considering Jorah is sort of merged with Jon Con in the show, and Jorah does end up going to the citadel to get cured, it’s quite possible that you’re right.
Why did Ned give him the name Jon ?
Jon Arryn, who raised Ned.
@5:00 Nah bro, Tyrion figures out who Griff is at their first meeting. Near the end of their conversation, he talks about strange, possibly legendary creatures including (and he puts a lot of emphasis on this part) "winged lions," AKA griffins. Griff is no fool and immediately realizes that Tyrion is too smart for his own good and knows who he is, and he probably would have just killed Tyrion then out of the paranoia with which he lives his life, if it weren't for the fact that Tyrion has plot armor, so he settles for threatening Tyrion and leaves it at that
Has anyone wondered why Rhaegar would name 2 different sons Aegon?
I don’t think he did in the book, which is good.
Well Young Griff isn’t actually Rhaegar’s son. That’s sort of the point.
@@VOTE_REFORM_UK not talking about young griff. Talking about Jon Snow and the baby that was dashed in the sack of kings landing. Wasn’t that boy’s name aegon as well? Even if that’s not young griff wasn’t Elia’s son named aegon?
@@QuinnTheGM so in the book Elia’s son wasn’t named Aegon?
In a simple world John Connington is actually Arthur Dayne in disguise. Septa La More is Ashara Dayne. Young Griff is actually a Stark with Ashara and Ned being his real parents.
There are some similarities to Walter White as well
Ha, wish I’d thought of that! Great point, seeing as both are men who receive a diagnosis that means certain death that causes them to act incredibly impulsively.
"I am the one who rings"
jon con : "aegon! we have to capture kings landing or gus is going to kill us"
feagon : "jon what the fuck are you talking about?"
How do you believe JonCon would react if he learned that Aegon was indeed a fake? Furthermore, if he discovered Jon Snow to be Rhaegar's bastard son, how would that change things? Do you believe JonCon's bond with Aegon would cause him to turn a blind eye and disbelieve that revelation, or would his "I will not fail the son" mantra make him pursue Jon Snow to help Rhaegar's child?
Obviously, I think it's pretty unlikely Aegon's legitimacy gets revealed that definitively (I don't believe we'll get a straight answer, though perhaps elusions from Varys), and it's possible that by the time Jon Snow figures out his own parentage, JonCon is dead, but it's an interesting "What If" that I'm curious about your thoughts on.
Even if it were revealed to him, I don’t think JonCon would believe it. I imagine he’d assume it must be a lie, because he can’t have done all of this for nothing.
Do you think Jon-Con could go mad when he learns Jon Snow is Rhaegars actual son and Y. Griff is a black fire?
I think he may already be mad by that point, but those facts certainly won’t help.
He could be dead by then tbh.
surprised you only briefly talked abt faegon theory, jon con finding out that aegon isnt really rhagars son could end up making jon con betray young griff
I wanted to focus more directly on Connington here, and I’ve talked about FAegon a fair bit (most notably in my Battle of Steel Video).
If (as I believe) he is fake, I'd bet that Jon knows that. Even if he doesn't know, Jon is committed to Aegon's cause, so a betrayal is unlikely (nobody would leave alive FAegon's chief supporter if his cause fails).
what do you think will happen when connington realize that his Aegon is a fake Targaryen and not actually Rhaegar's son? will he still go down the plan or will he snap and felt betrayed?
U know, as a queer person, I think that Jon Con is actually pretty great representation
Who's this crazy OC you made up, since he's not on the GOT tv show and there fore not real
Well if R+L=J and if its found out that JonCons Aegon is actually a Blackfyre I wonder would JonCon still support faegon of Jon/Aegon or whatever Jon Snows birth name would be?
While we’re on a tangential topic, I don’t think (f)Aegon is ever going to be “revealed” to be a Blackfyre, just heavily implied at times. It’s not in George to just have a plot twist come up like that; plus, who/how would that come up? The only two people who presumably know (f)Aegon is a Blackfyre are the ones who will never tell.
That being said, I strongly believe Jon Con will have a key role in Aegon’s defeat and death. He will fail the “son” just as he failed the father, but this time through causing the destruction of a city by causing a greyscale epidemic while Dany is besieging King’s Landing…I suppose that only differs in slight detail from your own predictions.
If GRRM ever manages to finish the series then ideally ALL these hanging plot threads will be wrapped up definitively, or leaving them unresolved will be thematic to the story.
For example, If fAegon takes the throne and we never completely resolve whether he is a Targaryen a Blackfyre or something else entirely, It won't matter because ultimately "power resides where men believe it resides".
But that's the plus side of a character like Bran. He can reveal things for the audience definitively because his point of view is not fixed to his current time.
So I hope we find out, but if we don't I hope at least it is thematically satisfying, and not something like a character's hard-earned road to redemption being undone in a single episode. #neverstopshittingonseason8
"" Rhaegar, want your pants "" man...Jon con at harenhall 😅.. Big stag wins..
Am I the only one who believes that Aegon is the real deal? I see a lot of disbelief in this comment section.
I think the evidence is overwhelming that he actually isn’t
The thumbnail art of jon connington is weirdly proportioned
Like his arms are too small
Please do not use a white background - it is blinding on modern screens
Sorry Jon con is really Boring and plain, how is it that he's your favorite character and by far????
His story is kind of crazy though.
“Crazy for no reason and commits lite war crimes?” Oh man ok.
In a simple world John Connington is actually Arthur Dayne in disguise. Septa La More is Ashara Dayne. Young Griff is actually a Stark with Ashara and Ned being his real parents.