Why the low skill floor is so deceptive on 1000cc bikes
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Quick examples showing how tame these bikes appear and then some yappin' on what makes this class a regrettable purchase for many.
#motorcycle #gsxr1000r #supersport #1000cc #newrider #sportbike - Auta a dopravní prostředky
And yet people still say its not a bad idea to start on a 1000cc. Its absolutley comedic and I'm glad this guy pointed out the details to riding a 1000cc.
I get so mad when I see someone starting on one. They don’t even know what they don’t know.
A 250 cc dirt bike is a good starter bike. And, lots of off road practice.
Sometimes Darwin needs a little help, that's all.
I didn’t start on a liter bike but I had an r3 for a few months then a Daytona for a year and now I bought a speed triple rr and it has been by far the easiest bike if ridden for street use.
@@CorBor69that RR is on my list - one of the most beautiful bikes ever made. Once I’ve bought my wife a bigger house, I’ll buy myself one 😂
As a beginner rider, who decided to start on a 250CC despite everyone yelling id regret. Seeing this video makes me glad im learning to ride before im buying an actual rocket. TY sir
Regret is whiskey throttling a litre bike into the side of a tram at 35mph, one second after hitting a bump mid turn in a city street. Fun is learning to ride a bike that you're comfortable on, that you can make mistakes on without it or the law punishing you and that you can thrash a bit. In my country, when I first got my learner's permit, back in the days when dinosaurs were still considered a road hazard, we had a 250 restriction for learner and probationer riders. All these years later and I've never heard a single one of my piers say that they hated their 250 or that it wasn't fun. Quite the opposite, in fact. Enjoy.
One of greatest joy's of riding is opening the full throttle, whether you have to wait for the power or it is on instant,even greatest joy is to daily have a place to do it,with 250 the fun is guaranteed and fatal mistakes are more easly avoided.Always have a super bike as a second bike(or first,but then you have to have a second haha)
When I did my motorcycle license training, they had a tu250x for the first rides before upgrading you to the 650 the law requires you to take the test on. That little 250 was the most fun bike they had.
My first bike was a Honda CB 500 (PC32), I loved that thing so much. You could push it to the "limits" and go nearly full throttle in a corner without anything happening and what a nimble thing it was. Pretty happy with my bikes now but I still think foundly back to that time.
A 250 is just fun man. Its more fun to be fast on a slow bike, than slow on a fast one
Zero plans of starting on a 1000, and the first couple minutes of this video just solidified that. Barely moving your wrist and going 60 mph is crazy.
I'm 72 years old and have ridden all capacity motorcycles regularly from 16 years old to 55 and never had a serious accident. This has given me a pretty good idea of how motorcycle performance has increased over the years. My last bike was a YZF R1, so I can't speak for how fast this model is now, but I assume it is a lot faster. I stopped riding at 55 because I knew my mind and body was not up to the task of riding a high perfomance modern motorcycle.I think this decision was a good one, but even younger people should ask themselves this same question. I still miss riding bikes but car drivers appear to have got a lot worse over the years in terms of ability and road sense, so I'll live with my decision.
As you watch this video!? There are plenty of "modern bikes" out there that aren't land missiles. You don't HAVE to live with it.
Get yourself a Harley Sportster and fall in love all over again with the friendliest rhino you ever met.
@@AudfileUsed to have a Harley approx 25 years ago. Can't remember the model but I think it was a 1250cc. Frightened me to death. No brakes to speak of and grounded out everywhere. I have actually considered buying a sporster bur again I worry about the brakes/handling.
@@rogerwilson6367 get an 883r. It's only 50 hp. Low center of gravity, low seat, just enough torque for a great solo up.
72 is not old.😃.At 72 i still ride a K1300S,K1200S and GSX1300R, just put your leg over the rest takes care of itself.
Anyone who turns their brain off while motorcycling might be in for a bad day, unless your on a single lane road out in the middle of nowhere, and thats assuming no animals jump out in front of you.
Yeap you never turn your brain off I think he meant that its less stress because a Sportbike is far more rigid and even a small bit of gravel sends the handling sketchy and twitchy. Where as a triumph tiger or gs can just ride through bad surface and you dont have to do anything the set up is made to ride thro all terrains. I think thats what he is getting at.
lol I turned off my brain when doing the most basic part turning it on lil gas clutch out roll away, well my brain dumped clutch and stalled then slowly dumped bike while over extending my leg to save it lol. The first time i've ever dumped my bike and in the dumbest way possible.
youve never rode a cruiser or goldwing lol. Brain off in the sense you don't have to worry about much because you're just riding with the flow of traffic
@@GunflameI don’t turn my brain off not even driving a car, to much idiots on the road
It's not turn off the brain. What he means is that as compared to the attention span of 1000 supersport, it is "like" a turn off the brain. Let's not nitpick
I have a feeling this channel is going to blow up. This guy is hitting ALL the tiny, relevant details that, out of the millions of moto instruction videos, NOBODY is talking about. It's fantastic.
Means a lot man truly, thank you!!
Exactly man
@@skyoom12 amazing vids in a row! i appreciate your commitment! consistency is king. thanks for the smart tips. you might have saved a life! or a bike at the least.
Yeap, covering things that clearly he thinks about deeply himself and shares his thoughts with practical demo.
It's probably because this is a no nonsense content. Most content these days are just clickbait poor quality videos supporting people's bias on one thing/ego posting. This video is just19 minutes straight facts.
I have a 200cc 😂. I can hit about 70. I THOUGHT I wanted a 1000. Thank u . Now Im going to either a 4 or 600. Too much power. On a small cc , a small mistake may not be that costly. On a 1000, a small mistake can be the difference between existing or ceasing to exist. Thank u good sir. Might've saved my life and others. This deserves a sub.
Depending on your skill and how long you've been riding, jumping to a 1000+ isn't outside reality. You'd probably do just fine. Just remember that you have to be on your A game 100% of the time or the consequences could be very dire.
Try a R3 or Ninja 300.
@@jimstenlund6017 i can't recommend an r3 or a ninja 400 enough i have an R3 but ive ridden a ninja 400 and i wouldn't trade my R3 for a ninja 400
ZX4RR is also an option now, if a Ninja 400 or R3 doesn't cut it for you
A 400cc sports bike is the way to go tbh,zx4 rr seems perfect 👌 my rvf 400 was my favorite bike because you can drive it on feel like a racer but are not hitting crazy speeds instantly
I’ve been riding since I was 4-5 years old, I’m glad someone is giving proper advice without trying to sell something. Always wanted a 1000cc but no one could explain exactly what you did to me.
Bro lol… if you been riding since u we’re 4 or 5 and still haven’t jumped on a 1000cc then what are u doing… Don’t be afraid, be confident. If you have the experience riding since 4 years old you could easily jump on any bike u wanted. I been riding since I was about 8 or 9 and the only bike I’ve jumped on tht had “to much power” was a very early 2000s 250cc that just had insane torque everything after market..and the bike was stupid light. But I’ve jumped on 1000cc street bikes tht will never compare street bikes is a cake walk compared to a torquey ass dirtbike that is half the weight.. I’m no pro rider I don’t even wheelie but I got confidence on handling pretty much any bike.. if u know how to ride u can ride anything u want fr..
@@HanJukes Typical dick measuring. I've been riding for nearly 30yrs and never felt the desire to buy a liter bike. 600 class is all around far more useable and fun. There's no such thing as "outgrowing them" unless you are a professional racer.
@@HanJukes although I agree with you, its good that people should know their limits. if he been riding his whole life and still doesn't want a 1000 then he is probably correct on his judgement. know thyself lol. I feel like the video creator is over exaggerating on the powerband, but then again there's a lot of dipshits out there. I've also only driven a cbr1000 as a sportbike ( started on a cruiser) so maybe his gxr 1000 is way more powerful/sensitive, I've never tried.
Absolutely terrific content for beginner riders - bravo!
In the first minute or two I thought you were about to go in the other direction, and was getting pissed off. Glad I kept watching because you hit the nail right on the head with this one boss. Great way of putting things into perspective for people that normally can't understand without actually trying it
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I've had 5 bikes in 6 years riding time. My first 3 motorcycles were all supersports. I started out on a CBR600F. After like 2 years of riding (20k miles) I thought it was time to buy a 1000. So I bought a CBR1000RR (2012) as well. I adjusted to it quite quickly and it was fun for the time. I was so in love with the looks of it, it was my dream bike. Even though I loved the bike I sold it within 3-4 months. Why? Because I realised I could never use all of that power. But what I also noticed during these months, the bike didn't feel as nimble as the 600. Cornering and roundabouts took more effort to take. Riding it felt in many cases so restricted, where as on the 600 it felt like a feather in the wind. So after that I bought a CBR600RR, and many people thought I was crazy for doing that. To this day I still love the 1000cc bikes, and who knows I might buy one again someday. But definitely not as a bike i'd daily ride.
As some one that just went from an R6 to and R1, I thought I was never going to sell my r6, and this doesn't go for everyone, as a tall rider it was just too uncomfortable for me, not even the power (I've own a zx6r, still have a cbr600rr) the r1 I felt the most at home on and comfortable knee position is a lot better too, added bonus is the power, I just like feeling it even knowing I can't use it all
I have a nightster 946cc. I would like to know how it compares to. 600 or a 1000 since it seems (to me) a very powerful machine, tho the power should be wisely kept to straight roads.
as someone who rides all manner of bikes and atvs, from 350 pound 400ccs to 600 or 700 pound harleys, they mostly feel the same to me wether going fast or cornering, i think you need to spend less time talking about how hard it is to corner a litre bike and more time practicing your riding, because they arent that much different when you dont suck at riding them.
Not even in the same domain. A 1K is WAY faster.@@williamtaittinger4529
@c1fi364 You sound like a clown bud.
Nobody should take advice from a guy that can't notice the clear differences between how certain bikes behave.
I just wanted to say, this is god sent. I was looking at upgrading to a 1000cc from a cb650r. I've been checking reviews on the 04-08 cbr1000rr, 02-2011 R1s and 06-10 zx10r. Never have i come across the insight of what a 1000cc actually requires from the rider. Thank you for sharing this valuable lesson. I would say my experience is adequate.. i think i should stay on the cb650r awhile longer and really prepare for a 1000cc. Thank you so much again!
I just subbed to the channel ❤
Far as I'm concerned that cbr650r is one of the prettiest bikes ever produced and a bike I view extremely highly of. Definitely not a bad bike to keep around for a while longer :)
@@skyoom1 cb650r neo cafè is such a pretty bike, but i was also thinking to trade it for a vstrom 650 because i ride all seasons in the UK and need comfort lol. I only wanted a 1000cc for just riding during them warm days
@@KppG-dn6zf sounds like 2 bikes may be the solution you're looking for haha
This is funny, I also have cb650r, and I’m about to upgrade to either - 15’ bmw s1000rr or the new cbr600rr 2024 . I’m in Ireland I mostly do short spins in the mountain and some commuting.
@@KppG-dn6zf The Trident 660 is a pretty nice bike too, and very fun to ride
I fell in love with motorcycles because it gives me the same stimulus as flying a plane. It's so mentally active and when you accurately predict traffic and put yourself out of danger proactively, it feels like an achievement each time. That being said I love my RC390, banging gears to get up to 60 feels so fun every time. I'm planning on going for an S1000RR, and while I'm an extremely defensive and safe driver/rider, I feel like that amount of power being on tap gives no room for play in self-restraint or error (obviously more now with the computerized bikes.) This video was really a great reality check, thanks for this
Yeah I'm on a Ninja 400 right now, and I think I'd really be happiest with a 600 as I've heard you can have a similar chill riding experience to the little bikes when you keep the gears high and the revs low
@@36shadowboy I got a GSXF600 from 2001. bought it for 400euros. did my own maintenance for 100 euro. and new tires for 460 euro. Pretty cheap and reliable bike
Perhaps you could hire/borrow one (or something similar) before making the commitment. Faster and more powerful on a bike doesn't necessarily translate to more fun. It does for some, but not all. And going from something like your RC to the BMW isn't like going from a 152 to Vans RV7, it's like going from a Tiger Moth to an F18. It's a big step to take all at once.
You could well make the choice to take another step up the ladder before going for the all out 200hp bike. SV 650, R7 or even a super sport of some description.
Plenty of newer riders trade "up" from their "beginner" bike to their dream bike and before too long, they're regretting their decision. A mate of mine is in exactly that boat as we speak.
Don't get me wrong. Ultimately, the S1000rr might be the right bike for you. I'm not you and you're not me. I can't judge for you. But I wouldn't be surprised that if you hired one for a couple of days, you'd start looking elsewhere for your next bike.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Big thing is I was a BMW fanboy when it came to cars for a long time and I've wanted the s1000rr since 2014. I know it's probably not the bike that I think I'll love, but I'll only want to ride sport bikes for so long and during that time I gotta get the dream bike even for just a season
@@jacksonsingleton I get it. I really do.
This is exactly why lower power motorcycles are much more fun to ride. You still have to pay 100% attention to traffic/road situation, but you have much more forgiving control of the bike. And you can go full throtle and still be not too far from legal speed after few seconds of instead of liter monsters with which you would have gained speed that has nothing to do with safe riding on public roads (for you and others especially).
My Chinese 150 agrees with you !
@@jimstenlund6017 .. Inbetween coughing up pieces of engine.
@@HRRRRRDRRRRR No, mine is based on the Honda CG engine, it’s probably the most simple four-stroke single you can find. A guy in my Condor 150 FB group just put his up for sale with 23,000mi on it, still running.
@@jimstenlund6017based on. Not the same as. It's still a heap of junk
@@nohandlefound. Right, and I’m only imagining that it runs great, has both electric and kickstart…
The full-engagement dynamic of riding sport bikes is what pulled me into the life
I started at 19 years old with a Yamaha fzr1000. First time I'd ever ridden any kind of bike. Glad to still be around at 42 to tell the story!
i started at 17 on a gsxr 1000, i honsedtly belive that the best way to stay alive for an extended period of time as a rider is to start on a bike that you are forced to respect, it teaches you so many lessons about riding that you cant learn on a 400cc "beginner" bike
@@c1fi364 I highly doubt anyone at 17 had or will have the emotional maturity to be "gun shy" riding a literal bullet. The reason people preach starting small and gradually upgrading is that smaller bikes forgive mistakes due to performance restrictions. The reason you can get an over 400 cc license at 25 (at least where im from) is because you're expected to be more mature/responsible compared to your teens. Highly doubt a kid of 17 with a mind still ruled by his cock got any "lessons" of respect riding a GSXR 1000 of all bikes.
Yep. I ride the "Old man's gixxer", a GSXS1000GT+, and I fall in the "cruiser" category, but when the time is right, it can go full on Gixxer mode. After a few thousand miles, I ride it exclusively in "A" mode, but it has a few things the GSXR doesn't. One is the low speed clutch assist. It really helps in low speed handling, especially when one learns how to use rear brake and clutch feathering for control. Of course, the steering geometry and seating position are different, but what remains the same is that when you grab a handful of throttle, the horizon comes at you VERY fast. Even on a liter class sport tourer, one must have all of their riding wits about them, as it is still a very powerful motorcycle. But, for around town and daily riding, it's quite civilized, just practice judicious use of the throttle.
I love absolutely adore those bikes
im really considering the GT, I have an FZ1, and it falls flat compared to new bikes after 100mph, How does the GT stack up in a real world with new bikes?
@panrak123 considering that the model debuted in 2022, it's still contemporary. Keep in mind that the GT, the GSXS naked and the Katana are essentially the same machine with different plastics. I went with the GT +, as for a few hundred dollars you get the panniers that cost over a thousand as an add on. Plus, without the bags and with the very well designed front fairing, as one wag put it, it looks like it's "all tits and no ass". As for handling at speed, I found myself one time passing on the highway, looking at the speedo reading 110 and didn't realize it, the acceleration was so smooth in 6th gear, and the fairing is so good there was no real increase in turbulence.
@blandrooker6541 great bike!
I was set on getting one myself but opted instead for the Ninja 1000SX. Both are great bikes and I’m glad I chose a “liter bike.”
As long as you understand/respect the capabilities of the bike and exercise common sense (a waning commodity) you’ll be fine regardless of which bike you choose.
hope this channels pops off, really good content so far
Honestly! I was surprised he only has a month or so of videos based on how high the quality and info is. Definitely earned a sub here
Here is a story to not overestimate your ability / underestimate physics: I started on a 125cc at 16 and I drove quite aggressive. Right before I was allowed to upgrade to a big sports bike, I barely evaded a fatal accident on my 125cc. I was cocky, overtook a slow car before a turn and promptly needed to fit between two cars to survive. That barely worked out and I was cured from speeding. I did not buy a big bike yet (I am mid 30s now).
In 2012 I started out on a 1000cc (2002 Yamaha R1) with a graves 1056cc big bore motor in it that came out of a homoligated road race bike. I never went down on it and havent been down once since I started riding. Not saying it won't ever happen because its not a matter of if , its a matter of when. The key is to respect the power the motorcycle has, dont ride like an idiot, be aware of your surroundings, dont ride outside of your comfort zone or experience level, dont push yourself to keep up with reckless or more experienced riders, and always wear proper gear (helmet, jacket. Gloves, pants, boots). Staying fit and keeping your reflexes in top shape does help a lot with reaction times well. Sure you can open the throttle up here and there but dont do it when you shouldn't. Starting on a 1000cc isnt a bad thing, but it isn't for every rider.
Exactly. Respect the power, always. You do that, actually do that, and you'll be fine.
I'm into motorcycles because of the capabilities of the machines and the way they force my mind to focus on riding. It's really therapeutic for me to be so immersed in the finer points of my riding technique. My current ride is a Tuono 660 with 100hp, but your video lends me to think I'd really enjoy the bigger Tuono!
Ride your 660 for awhile, and then move up to the big one. You will like it. Do a GP exhaust and a tune. Tuono V4 is the best sounding engine you can buy, when you do the GP exhaust.
Take your time with the 660 the 1100 is an animal a light front end and it will 100% catch you out if you don't know what you're doing.
I appreciate the feedback guys. Just so no one thinks I'm taking the decision lightly, I'm on my third season on my 660, and I have a couple track days and an advanced rider clinic under my belt on that bike. I am also considering moving to something "between" my bike and the V4, like one of the Street Triples, but until I decide I'm going to keep racking up track days and rider clinics.
@@user-rv3jo8hq4n Get the Tuono V4. You will like it.
@@user-rv3jo8hq4nim excited for the day i get a 1k cc bike but also the idea of " lifting the front end " under accereration at almost any gear or rpm is wild. I will try to save money up and learn how to wheelie on my 2006 zx6r 636 before i look to upgrade now that the rest of my riding skills are much better
Ever grateful the AI landed me to your content. Bonus points for doing the video in the wet
This video is amazing! Not only does this video apply to 1k’s but also 600’s. This is a complete culmination of all the things I want to tell someone that wants to get their first bike. I have always advocated for smaller bikes because they are more forgiving, but never really could figured out what made them more forgiving as far as “less power.” My first bike was a 22 ninja 400 (now stunted) and seven months later I felt I out grew it, so I bought a 2008 R6S because I knew a 1k would be too much for me. I quickly realized how much BIGGER 1k’s are, I was able to have good throttle control over my R6 but there were still rare moments (even in the year and a half I owned it) where I forgot how much pull the bike had and ended up having a small whisky throttle. Always wanted an H2 but I knew I would never ride it because of how much power it has. Recently sold my R6 for a 15 Fz-07, absolute blast! I love the low end torque, but I can’t lie, I really miss that high end power and the sound of a screaming 6. All the best to you man! Hope to continue to see this channel grow!
If you have the skills this young bloke, is talking about and your body is fine with the seated position.
Get one, these bikes bring a smile to the dial every ride
there’s naked ones
Interesting demo indeed, thanks. Actually confirms my suspicions. I've been riding for 20 years and still won't go near such an excellent but unforgiving machine. Happy with my torque-before-power Triumph Street Twin which is very easy to ride and still faster than I ever want to go.
I didn't know this channel existed until this video showed up as a CZcams recommendation. I am so glad it did. It wasn't a ramble, it was a helpful insight, explanation and demonstration. Liked and Subscribed!
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen and I really liked it. The only thing I think you could have added would be a discussion of how fast that bike goes full throttle in first gear. I think that’s a wake up call for people as well. Keep up the good work.
This is excellent insight man. You cover all the small details to riding that I picked up in the process in of learning that I just never saw anywhere else, and it’s cool to see those little details amped up to the extreme on the GSXR. Keep it up.
I started on an 06 GSXR 1000 (been riding for a couple months), the 2 things I keep in mind is
1. Respect the bike
2. Be smooth.
I’m naturally a pretty decent driver, I’m always scanning for potential hazards, checking my mirrors, reading traffic, and understanding other drivers tendencies. So the focus when riding the bike kinda came natural to me, if anything it’s more fun since I have more control on my positioning and escape routes.
I absolutely love my bike and I know it’s bad to start on a 1000cc, but it was a gift from my dad (his old bike) so it was free and in great condition.
I don’t have the money to buy a cheap 300 then upgrade to a 400, then 500, then 600, I’m way too broke for all that.
I do speed, but it’s never like 186 through traffic, lane splitting and through turns and all that.
(Highest Ive been was 170mph WIDE OPEN road with no crossings or those u turn lanes on a highway and 0 cars. Hardly any traffic ever).
But even then, I hate speeding to that point because my cardo starts glitching out and it ruins my music.
I make sure to be cognizant of what I’m doing at all times. I listen to my gut feeling, I remain calm when some unexpected shit happens and I stay focused. I don’t doubt myself, but I don’t underestimate myself either. I’m on a bike, I feel free on the road, and I enjoy my time riding while I’m blasting music on my cardo. I take it as a blessing.
I truly love it.
I was like you too, I bought an MT07 and my experienced rider friends told me I would be a better rider if I started on a lower cc. Riding on the streets is really easy and yes you just need to be extra aware.
But People make mistakes like accidentally throttling after hitting a pothole or clutch in when turning then letting go or adding a little throttle whilst leaning. These are just mistakes beginners tend to make and if you start on a 400cc, its more forgiving.
Then you take it out on the twisties after 6 months and realize that you never understood the 1000cc's capabilities and either are going really slow or way too fast. Its just human, I came in the MSF thinking my experience with a smaller cc bike was enough but I learned so much I didn't knew. My advice is, if you're gonna buy that 1000cc, might wanna take some classes or really practice and understand the skills to riding and learn the bike's characteristics.
No Motogp rider has ever started straight in the top class being a rockstar of a rider. They all start at a beginner level and work they're way up. Now you think you're a better rider and can skip all that ?
That’s good you’re confident, just don’t let it turn to complacency. Always keep your head on a swivel, always. When you can get a smaller CC bike. You might enjoy it more because it’ll be a lot easier to ride
After 25 years on Sports Bikes 600's have always been the sweet spot for me, Love that dual personality of flat low down and screaming top end.
Hello from Manchester, England. I was probably about 10 years into my riding career before getting my first litre bike. Since then, I've had a few Fireblades, and a couple of RC51's (they take some mastering!). However, nowadays, I'm back with small bikes. I've a Honda CRF300L, and an SV650.
The reasons?
Primarily because I don't ride trackdays anymore, plus they are just too frustrating for me on the road. So much power, you never get the chance here to wind them up. Too many traffic police, average speed cameras and dashcam warriors around also.
For me, it's simply more fun now to ring the neck of a slow bike on the back roads....!
You have incredible views on all the topics you talk about. I love that you say people need 100% attention when riding a beauty like your Suzuki. You inspire confidence in me (I ride a 2005 Yamaha fz6) to enjoy my ride and work on my skill level. Especially after showing me how little throttle is needed on litre bikes to reach 60mph.
Watching this even though I'm going to be on a 125 for the next good while but still awesome to see an in depth explanation about how big these bikes really are, great content!
I love seeing your channel grow. I really appreciate the knowledge you share
For all those that like the gloves, they are Bison Thor.1's
the way you described the difference between cruisers and sportbikes got you a new subscriber :D
Most eye opening video I've seen. Switching from a 650 to a 600 this year and I think I'll be staying there for a few years.
Try a trackday!
Love the detail. The video feels very real. Excellent style. You're doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
I started on a FZ-07, and within 6 months I had ridden a Hayabusa.
I had some interesting moments on the FZ07 as it was, and I wouldn't recommend people start on something more powerful.
I do love riding liter bikes though.
PS. You hit some important points man. Great job.
Changing the class from naked to sport-touring or super sport needs a complete skill upgrade. Had a 600 Fazer and changed to a VFR800 - it was scary and uncomfortable that my so embedded skills were useless regarding the size, the class, and handling of the bike... Had to learn a new set of skills, research and practice alot. Your content is amazing debunking many myths about motorcycling and big cc engine bikes - the rider's skills are the ones that matter first. 👏👏👏🏍️
Great point bringing up the different classes.
Are a 1000cc supersport and a 1000 cc sports tourer both going to demand the equal amount of alertness?
Not in my.books. A supersport is a razor sharp scalpel and a sports tourer is a utility knife.
Both will cut you, but that scalpel is ALWAYS ready to mess you up.
I had a VFR800 and loved how smooth it was. Made a mistake and sold it. Now have a SV1000s and it does my head in. But it's more fun. I'm 80 this year.
Bought my first street bike last year, 07 cbr1000. These were all great points to consider for anyone shopping for theirs. It’s manageable as long as you respect it at all times, but that doesn’t mean it’s the right bike for you…it is very specifically for someone that wants to be in attack mode all day IMO.
I'm learning on a 250 and I do understand why I could have gone bigger but this video puts into perspective the difference in how the bikes react to the smallest of inputs much appreciated man
Great video!!! Great points and well said! I feel like this channel just hit the algorithm and is about to skyrocket in subscribers if you keep up the great quality😁
If you want crazy fun, reasonable comfort, torque, and the ability to "turn of your brain" a bit while in traffic, then a Super Duke R (get the full tech pack) is an excellent choice. It still has ~180hp, and will keep up with the liter bikes in basically all situations outside of WOT highway pulls. The SDR is marginally quicker in situations where the liter bike riders may feel compromised because of tarmac conditions. A ballsy liter bike rider will still be faster, but yeah, the SDR is in a league of it's own. It is the ultimate road bike, imo. I hope to enjoy mine for many years. The drive train is bullet-proof and abusable. I've got my fingers crossed for no electronic issues.
I really enjoyed this video. You very accurately displayed the "issue" with traditional 4cyl liter bikes. It pretty much comes down to feeling the bike, and not making abrupt inputs until you know what to expect. They are homologated race machines that just happen to be street legal.
edit: I just got to the part of the video where you talk about the 1290, lol. GG
Beat you to it 😂
That was a brilliant and unique psychological perspective skyoom !!! Much appreciated sharing your experience and insight that its the 'riders mentality' that determines 1000 sport or not.
The amount of views this video has shows peoples mindset. Everybody wants the biggest and baddest bike. I would have thought the video on Ergos would have had more views. Keep up the good work. Love to see the growth
This is a great insight. As someone looking to pick up my first bike with the primary focus being city commuting and fun, a liter is completely out of the wheelhouse of what I'd want. This insight just further solidifies my interest in a 4-650cc naked that seems like a good blend of of everything I'm looking for.
650-ish cc nakeds are the way to go for the most fun for the most time. It's why I've stuck to them for so long
This is great. Exactly what I would expect and yet people keep recommending me 1000cc bikes as my first. Watching this confirms my believe that I'll be much more comfortable on a 650 and have way more fun. Thank you!
Don't let people talk you out of that 650 saying it'll bore you or they're too slow either, wonderful class of bike with way more punch and capability than the "influencer" crowd will ever admit to
I ride a 400 as my first. It's a lot of fun!
@@skyoom1 dont have my license yet, but went to a dealership yesterday to get a feel for the z650 and I am sold.
@@Dr.BenjiBuddy Hell yeah man awesome bike, which color you leaning towards
@@skyoom1 I'm probably not getting it brand new, so it depends on whats available, but I'd prefer the black/green (pearl storm green) or the white/green (pearl blizzard white) :)
I got my first 1000cc bike at age 42, a 2005 carbureted Yamaha FZ1, I rode it for the first time after I purchased it! I was instantly hooked! I’ve since had a Kawasaki ZX14 a Honda CBR1000rr , a Triumph 675r, a BMW S1000rr and my current bike, at age 60 is a BMW S1000r,probably my last bike, and I absolutely love it, with riding modes from docile to manic!
Modern, fuel injected bikes are very rideable for most experienced riders. I don’t see the need for 600cc RR bikes with today’s technology, just my humble opinion.
By the way my favorite is split between the Honda and the S1000rr.
I rode dirt bikes for years before getting my bike license and starting on the the tiny cbr125! That little bike was an absolute blast to ride other than low power. I went to a 600 gsxr which I absolutely loved and had more than enough power to get into trouble. My mates all went straight to 1000cc or bigger sports bikes. Some of which almost died shortly after buying the bike!
Way to many people think even a 600cc bike is slow!
Similar background here. I think that is the way to do it. Learn the dirt, then the road. And start out on wispy and wimpy, until you learn to control the weight and power of the bike.
I went from an R3, to a 2021 MT09SP. That step up was HUGE, and yet, the MT09 is not even close to a GSXR1000 / R1. Great video
MT09 will keep up with most liter bikes until 100 mph. Then they will start pulling away fast.
@drewmoto732 yeh I'm aware. It's about 120kmh from my experiences pulling with one.
What a gem of a video. Instant subscription. Knowledge to words ratio is like the power to weight on a 1000. Thanks a bunch man!
Great video the exact points u said about being lazy and not fully focused is what caused me to crash my 2024 gsxr 750. The other day. U really have to lock in on any sports bike !!! Great video 👍🏿
Maaaaan the 2024 too that hurts, but more importantly glad you're alive!
Man , you didn't even have that thing 3 months!
what a great video, I started riding motobikes when i was a young boy and then transferred to street three or so years ago. Bought a klx300sm and it was the best purchase i could have made for my first street bike. Of course i wanted to go fast but something small to learn the feel of the street, riding, turning, braking, counter-steering on instinct was a life or death decision in hindsight. Got a gsxr 750 now and i can only imagine a liter bike on the road. You're playing a totally different ballgame riding that 750 around vs the supermoto. Absolutely excellent video, thank you for putting this into perspective. keep the content coming!!
I bought a Moto Morini 125 recently. I just want to enjoy local riding but have no experience of bikes. Honestly it feels fast enough to me! Great video.
Probably got lost in the other comments but asked before what gloves are they bro ?
Nintendo Switch gloves
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@@skyoom1 thanks bro didn't realize they were all custom actually really nice since its kind of hard to find gloves in colors I want
The way youre going about these videos is really interesting, appreciate it as someone about to make the jump from a 400 to a 600.
I think it's because you're going into detail about a lot of things other videos just brush over. Id love to hear you talk about the differences between a 600 and a thousand
One of the best videos concerning this specific subject, thank you.
I don't think people realize how the slightest bump of the throttle generates raw power so quickly. This is the best explanation of why TOO or NOT too buy one.
Amazing job. People who have never ridden a supersport or superbike will actually benefit from your videos. This level of insight is shockingly rare.
Sadly 99% of videos on these bikes only go as far as screaming while at half throttle below their power band as a means to convince people that only serious track riders should touch them.
I think what you said about being attentive is what makes them a bad idea for beginners. The margin for error is the problem. 1000cc are heavier than a 300cc or 400cc motorcycles but not drastically. The power increase to a 1000cc motorcycle is drastically different though. Obviously, starting on a 1000cc motorcycle isn't impossible, it's just increases the risk that most people aren't ready for. I have a 2022 Z900 (948cc). It's my 1st bike. I bought it brand new, and I have about 11k miles on the bike. I trusted myself to not take the power and weight of that bike for granted, and I've been good so far. At the end of the day, I think riders have genuine care for the safety of other riders. Either way, you made excellent points in your video, so thank you. Continue to be safe out there 👊🏾.
Side note: what kind of gloves are you wearing?
Exactly I noticed that I was progressing really slow on my MT07 because I was just programmed to be careful on everything so I never understood the limit of riding and sometimes even become too safe that I lost confidence in making a turn or things like that.
Most people think its being "safe" but its more about being attentive, having good judgement and taking action before its too late. "Respecting the throttle" dosen't really do shit because all you're doing is being mindful of the bike instead of scanning your environment. When you need to hard brake until you stoppie you'll freeze and crash because you haven't got the experience or not ready for the situation.
VERY useful demonstration. Thank you👍🏼 enjoy your riding season and may God protect you
Mate, these are banging good videos most people dont talk about. Keep up the content !
What a LEGIT educational tidbit? I'm glad you come from a pro perspective and I appreciate my newfound awareness of what exactly scares me about these bikes.
100% of attention & focus is the minimum safe zone. 9MPH (13 MPH was my guess) is thoroughly doable. But, add the twitch & up & over you go! (Ax me how I know!)
Am I capable of riding one? Yes, but I choose NOT too for a variety of reasons (enjoyment?) A lot of work but completely satisfying when done well!
Day to day, 900cc's seems to be just right. 100Hp/50+ ft./Lbs. seems to be enough for a spirited ride w/o the demands of 80% focus & once settled in- even less is needed!
What a great way to face the concerns, address the risk, identify the twitch risk, etc & so forth! Well done.
Excellent video. I've been riding my cbr 250 for quite some time now and want to move up to the gsxr1000r. This video was exactly what i was looking for.
That’s a pretty significant jump man. Enjoy, but be careful. I’d personally recommend getting a 600 before getting a liter bike, but as long as you respect the bike you should be fine.
You should go to a 650 nice. Literally perfect next bike. You won’t be able to comprehend the 1000 haha
Yeah same as above.
My self had 100cc couple years then 250cc bikes about 10 years
600cc 16 years
Finally a Gsxr750 for the last year. It's to fast on the road?
I love it BUT it's not as fun as a smaller bike.
I have never moved up cc till I can go flat out!
Enjoy the journey not the destination.
I started on a cbr500 and after a few months got a gsxr1000, which generally isn’t recommended in that order or time span.
That said, it was fine because I respected the hell out of it and kept riding in my limits and as I got better, I played in the power band, but rest assured, from a 500 to a 1000 is absolutely night and day. A 250 to 1000 is like crawling to Usain Bolt.
I’m currently on a 600 and love it - plenty of power, more forgiving than a 1000, and I can actually fully twist the throttle without entering light speed.
If you want more power and the high revs, check out a 600. If you just want more power, look at something like a 650/750
@@realgucman It seems everyone commenting has more experience with motorcycles. I appreciate the perspective. Perhaps the 1000cc sportbike is not what I think it is.
Wonderful video! Never seen anyone break it down like this. Thanks and ride safe!
You got my subscribe and I’ll tell you exactly when. When you were mentioning hitting a bump and blipping the throttle accidentally and how it changes the weight of the handle bars. I knew then you had experience and knowledge. I appreciate you giving me that info
Nice video! You reaffirmed why I love my Ninja 400 so much.
I am moving from a GSXR600 to Honda Fireblade 1000cc. I hope the transition will be smooth 🤔
And how was it? About to step up from a 600f4 to a 929.
The advice on riding modes is great. Completely agree with you
I love the 1000cc super bikes. They’re the best. You’re right here. You must have excellent throttle control and you cannot take a break mentally.
Best take I have ever seen on this subject. Keep it up man
Hey man. I used to watch a lot of the OG motovloggers when CZcams was blowing up, and GoPros and this whole thing was riding the wave. I dont really watch a ton anymore, randomly saw this in Suggested as I checked out a track day clip from somewhere else. Just wanted to give you a shout out, this is absolutely quality stuff. You're covering stuff newer riders or mid level riders need to see and understand. Major props.
Also, ChinMounts makes custom mounts for your GoPro type and helmet type, they make really good stuff. Get that camera off your chest and right on your mouth/nose/POV. Stay safe my dude ✌️
Thank you!! And agreed definitely need the chin mount upgrade but going to have to do some helmet shopping for something that will allow a better camera angle than my current shoei :(
Thanks for this kind of content! its greatly appreciated
Nice detailed video.
Been riding street since the late 80s, dirt since I was a kid in the 70s. Sold my liter bike last year as I never rode it much, as I spend most of my time on my Super Tenere. Ya, I went from sport bike guy to an ADV dork, but hey, at least I'm not on a bagger, that will have to wait until I hit 70! What I turned into as a rider is described perfectly at 8:38 which is aided and abetted by having cruise control. I live in Colorado and there are cool far away places to see, and a big comfy ADV bike with a big tank for long range is great for that.
Liter bikes are great for experienced riders due to their broad powerbands - they effortlessly thrust around at casual RPM and that is awesome. Liter bikes are bad for new riders due to their broad powerbands as the video explains so well. Liter class bikes on the cam are ferocious things that can't really be contained on the confines on the street. I did a few track days on my sport bike, that was an eye opener when it came to what the bike was casually capable of.
Still riding a KTM 300 XC dirt bike, that keeps me sharp on the street. Bought a Husky 701 Enduro to replace my sport bike last year. Being a hooligan, I might be in more trouble on the big thumper. It is Rottweiler tuned, and it does wheelies, lots of wheelies, and being a dirt biker I am powerless to resist. I am so screwed - was safer from the cops on my sport bike 😆
A liter bike supersport is an experience in of itself. It’s for people that love the art-form of riding and not so much touring. Great video. 👍
This was extremely informative and exactly what I needed. Thanks.
Awesome video. I'm actually buying a friend's 05 R1 in a couple of months. I haven't rode a street bike in probably 15 years and nothing above a 600cc. Seeing videos like this ease my mind.
I just got myself a CFmoto 450ss which is of course 450cc. I'm a new rider, and got a lotta back talk about not getting a 600 or 1000 from folks. I loved your video a ton man, and this is what I figured when I was out lookin' for bikes. lol. Glad someone really showed and explained it, perfect video. I'm happy with my choice, later on i'll move up of course, but for now i'm content with it. Cheers man.
Thank you for the GREAT video, very good in depth information that NO ONE ESLE IS TALKING ABOUT!! Very appreciate the content! Ride safe brother🫡
I live in a city and a Grom with a stage 1 tune, intake, and exhaust has been so killer. Of course I eventually see myself getting something bigger but for the city it’s so perfect. Great video!!
This is actually super interesting and I never see simple videos like this get posted, and I say that because I’ve genuinely always wondered about the ridablity of 1st gear on a liter bike, I always assumed it was like 20mph idle speed
I actually dont enjoy driving fast,but i love when my bike just picks up when i give it gas and i don't need to change a gear or two down,thats why i love 1000cc
I do the same thing every bike with cable throttle like you, take out the slack to gain the control you are demonstrating. You have to check though, after adjustment turn bars lock to lock stationary at idle and check for increase in revs. This is important for when slow tight manoeuvring not to add involuntary throttle input. Recommended 2-3 mm way too much for me.
This is the first explanation i’ve even heard that explains why liter bikes might not be for everyone, without suggesting “you can’t handle it”, or “i ride these, but you shouldn’t”. I can accept this way of looking at it, considering the type of riding i plan on doing- maybe i don’t “need” it. Really appreciate this video and your perspective.
"Don't shock the frame, don't surprise the tire."
Cool video. Loving my r7, getting an r9 when it comes out. This is helpful.
I'm a relatively new rider. This video explained a lot about these types of bikes. They're cool, but scare me. You've explained this at a level I've never heard before. Happy I am smart enough to choose a bike for the type of riding I plan to do. Thank you for a great video!
That El Camino just gracefully sitting in the background
One thing that's easy for many of us to forget is what it was like to be new to motorcycling. By the time I had my first 75cc two stroke I was ready. It was as close to a bicycle as I could get. 125 4 stroke, 125 two stroke, 500 four stroke, 250 two stroke. Then I got into street bikes. 500 shadow, 1700 cc Harley, now a 600 cc super sport. I like the forgiveness, I like HAVING to ride it hard when I want. Honestly as far as bikes go I just worked my way up and never rally had a chance to be overwhelmed. But that took a lot of years and a lot of bikes.
Two weeks ago I rode my brother's 1400 Concourse. Sport touring detuned inline 4 Ninja motor.
On paper our bikes look close, but the shear power it took to move that behemoth, it instantly commanded my respect. First bike in my life that made me think it's gonna get you if you're not careful. Granted gimme a day or a week I'd be OK, but I've been riding practically my whole life. Highly doubtful a beginner 20 year old riding around in C mode is going to recognize that and effectively adapt accordingly....
I remember the Yamaha RD350 from the early 2 stroke days. What I remember is very low power and it coming on so strong it would be wimpy until the front end went skyward and took off so fast you have to quickly go back on the throttle to keep from going over.
Great video. Couldn't agree more. I have been riding for 35 years and drifted from 1000 sports bikes to sports tourers. This year I thought, why am I buying sports tourers when I don't go anywhere? I really missed the concentration even at normal road speeds, it adds to the experience every ride. I bought a new ZX10R which has surprised me how placid it is at low revs. It still demands a lot of concentration and respect. If I'm tired, it stays in the garage. Top video, really great advice, cheers 👍
I had zero riding experience and my buddy helped me out after I bought mine because I was an idiot and bought a mt09 lol. Luckily I learned on his plated 125 and a dual sport 250. Throttle control was a learning curve on the mt vs those two, but it worked out really well. He didn't believe I'd respect the power, but I didn't expect there to be THAT much. And we're only talking 115-120 with the tune and pipe. I'm still on the fence about a R1 because it's TWICE as much power as I've seen. I can't actually imagine it, but holy shit does it sound like fun. Thanks for doing a really in depth video on low speed stuff though. I was always told they're like twitchy at low speeds with no throttle and clutch out. On top of that, I concede your point on having the driver aids off for a litre bike lol. I just can't get over the R1 sound and I don't want a mt10. Thanks for the video, dude. Ride safe!
This was a great video! Amazing how it takes off at 5-10%
Once watched someone posted himself riding a CBR1000RR Fireblade in gear 1 and up until it's max speed before needing to shift. It went from 0 to 148km/h (0 to 91mph) before hitting the limiter in just probably around 90 meters. 1000cc bikes are just different.
Love this video. Appreciate the real perspective.
Good organic content dude this is the way to go on YT now. Greetings from UK
Very helpful! Thank you for letting us know, kind sir.
Good video, I like how you mention being locked in and conscious at all times. I think that is good advice every time you ride, regardless of the size of bike. It also depends on the personality of the person and if they are going to ride beyond their skill level and put themselves in stupid situations. Very few people are of the mindset and awareness to have a liter bike as their first bike. I started on my dad's old Ninja 250R and learned a lot and getting track days/time is vital as well to be able to push yourself in a safe environment.
I'd like to see more of this kind of content. Subscribed
Thank you for this video. I rode a 750 GSXR before and was thinking about going 1000. This was very informative in my decision.