New rFactor 2 Online Experience

[@MichiHoyer]

Guys, please note this is still in Beta!
Studio 397 greatly appreciates your help if you have issues whether that is with VR or with the game itself. Therefore please, if you have a problem. Get your trace logs from the moment game-running when you encountered the issues and save these trace logs. Then please go to the rFactor 2 discord channel: discord.gg/CruX93K
And post the issue (short description) including the trace-log in the channel #online-bug-reports

[@pcraenme]

The Online UI looks really well designed. Great work by Studio 397!

[@MichiHoyer]

I agree. Very well done. This is well deployed IMO

[@nortski78]

I actually really like the hidden elo. Just displaying what rank you are ie bronze, silver etc gives it a bit more of an esports feels similar to CSGO, Valorant etc.

[@JaredPaul01]

yeah, its a nice not having it as a main focus.

[@MichiHoyer]

Well yes I think the Ranking range is more accurate in comparing the drivers anyway

[@everythinggaming7938]

Lets hope its going to work well on release because people do not have patience it seems, and rfactor2 deserves a chance as the driving experience is the best out there

[@MichiHoyer]

We had more than 120 participants in more than 4 races yesterday's evening and appart from.results not getting processed in one occasion I saw no technical fault whatsoever. This is much more stable

[@edwhalley5]

200 participants in the rookies tonight. No issues

[@MichiHoyer]

@@edwhalley5 this is AMAZING news

[@everythinggaming7938]

@@MichiHoyer very nice my ultra wide monitor died so now i cant sim race just waiting to save money to get triples and then ill join you all !!

[@MichiHoyer]

@@everythinggaming7938 no way. Thats unlucky. What happened to it?

[@gregglasscock7470]

Thank Jesus we have this. Rfactor2 is the sim I main. It's the best and I have played them all for 100's of hours.

[@MichiHoyer]

Awesome man!
I agree, rFactor 2 is the best sim indeed. Lets get this going

[@kevbarber]

Thanks Michi for helping people to get the best out of rfactor2. It can be hard work for a novice like me but the driving experience is worth it.

[@MichiHoyer]

Honestly, take your time and dive into it! You will enjoy the experiences

[@Tudkno]

Having the elo hidden and given a category is better overall I think. I feel it is less stress when racing as I have had friends that would refuse to do a particular race in other games because they didn't want to lose rating. In other games where a certain position may lose you rating and see that happening straight away, here that same position may mean you are still within the range for say Bronze 1.
The system is pretty similar to how other online competitive games work like League of Legends and such.

[@MichiHoyer]

I agree with you. I think the rank or range of rank takes away the psychological threat of seing a minus in front of a changing number and therefore takes away the pressure to succeed

[@danielfowler899]

I agree with you. People measure their ePenis against others, and as a recent video by DaveCam pointed out, people don't join certain races if they think it may negatively effect their ePenis rating.
Irs all about racing and having fun, the ePenis rating is purely there for match making.
SR is.much more important IMO

[@MichiHoyer]

@@danielfowler899 very true that. I mean after all we all want to rank high, so its natural to a certain extend yes I see the issue.

[@alex_n.]

I think the hidden Elo is very good, they really thought about the SR and DR and I like it

[@MichiHoyer]

Thanks for your feedback. Yeah I agree with you. I also love to see which actions are giving an impact on it

[@JaredPaul01]

I like that ELO is some what hidden. I feel people judge other drivers by their rating in sims like iRacing. It creates a "I'm better than you" mentality. I prefer to judge someones racing by the performance on track when racing them.

[@MichiHoyer]

I very much agree with this too.
The hidden elo just does not create this sort of "natural" judgement when comparing specific numbers. So having the ranks is absolutely fine IMO

[@mram6311]

Thank Gamer Muscle for introducing this and mentioning you. I haven't opened rfactor2 for a while and will check it out today.

[@MichiHoyer]

I just did that. You gave me the missing puzzle to resolve my misterious gain of subscribers this night hahaha. Just watched his video and thanked him for it!

[@curtyos]

can we just label you the savior of rfactor pretty sure you were like the only dedicated sim racer on rf2 so yea even if its unofficially you probably helped with this change

[@MichiHoyer]

Mate I'm overwhelmed. Thank you for the lovely words.
I think many people on S397 and MSG have done their jobs and I really hope they can fix the small issues soon.
All my videos and information on it will go for nothing if this dies...

[@curtyos]

@@MichiHoyer i actually bought rf2 some years ago (you were in an f2 or f3 league back then) this system in its infancy looks to be something that might at least make iracing make the much needed changes that it requires im loving that s397 and honestly im suprised im praising MSG they decided to actually compete now i might actually have to learn to road race.... (league hunting i go!)

[@MichiHoyer]

Could you find a league in the end :)? - What do you think about Le Mans Ultimate in the meanwhile?

[@_wyans]

I've done one race, I love it. I don't spend a lot of time these days racing online but the race I did was genuinely intense and everyone was very fair

[@MichiHoyer]

Ah that answers my question form a second ago I guess :D - thanks for letting me know your experience. Are you usually a lot on iRacing I guess tho?

[@PixelTherapy_85]

I love this!! I am going to stream this all week!

[@MichiHoyer]

Looking forward seeing you on the track tonight!

[@jopereirapt]

I expect hidden ELO to be less stressful for me (just a personal experience kind of thing, like % in smartphone battery 😉).
With this, rF2 is among the best overall UI already. Fast, clean, reliable (?)!
Great job S397!

[@MichiHoyer]

I think the real reliability is a bit early to say still, but I think even despite this is a beta system, I think it does a good job indeed.

[@jopereirapt]

@@MichiHoyer The ranking system will take a while to test properly, but the UI is proving to be good. I still keep the question mark there. As you say, it's to early to jump into final conclusions.

[@MichiHoyer]

@@jopereirapt having a questionmark there is alright and should be remaining there until a few weeks after official full release in the build. We will see how that looks then

[@EspLaHonda]

Nice Video 👍

[@MichiHoyer]

Thank you so much! Appreciate you like it.

[@EspLaHonda]

No problem 😎@@MichiHoyer

[@MichiHoyer]

How do you like rF2 Online?@@EspLaHonda

[@EspLaHonda]

@@MichiHoyer I had only tried the practice server several times and still have to get used to my new racing setup. But for me this is the best simulator in my opinion. And the experience in the Practice Server mostly worked very well. Except a few times, but it's a beta and we have to be more patient.

[@MichiHoyer]

Well, I think it will sadly never leave the deeeeep beta stage.

[@johnduncan5117]

As a sometime chess player also, I'm quite used to ELO as a measure of performance and would prefer to see it. Maybe there could be a way to publish it without making it so prominent. But not a deal-breaker by any means.

[@MichiHoyer]

Yeah as much as I really like the ranking system to be "intransparent" I wanna call it even, as much I would still appreciate to have a quantification on what a bonk has caused or what a clean lap has given you as a bonus etc etc.

[@renebarelds9945]

Hi Michi, can you tell me why the beginners event are open for anybody? Ik my last race the where 15 drivers, 3 with Gold en 7 with silver ranking... A win or good result is almost impossible for a real rookie! I think it's fair that people race against their own level drivers.

[@MichiHoyer]

I think that has to do with the way the system works. With just 15 driver registered it only creates 1 single split, despite the diffrent level of drivers though.
However, when you have more people registered then the system will create splits according to your rating.
Also I think i am a guy with one of highest Driver Rank rarings and i am just at Silver I
What you are seeing in gold is people's Safety Rank I assume.

[@renebarelds9945]

@@MichiHoyer Thank you for the reply, I appreciate that! There were 3 splits for that race, more than 50 people. Yes I am talking about Gold Safety Rank. My choice of joining a server was automatic so the system can rank the drivers. It;s look like that it didn"t work well for this race. I think ( that's my humble opinion ) it's fair that when you reached Silver or Gold that people race in that classes and not in the beginners series anymore. For entering the Intermediate and Gold classes you need the silver en Gold Safety rank, that's what the system ask for joining, driver rank does;t matter. I agree you are a guy that deserved a high Driver Rank end Safety Rank for your skills and speed and clean racing!!

[@MichiHoyer]

Thank you for the kind words mate! Much appreciating the lovely words!
However, the servers are asking you to have Silver or Gold Safety Rank for being eligible to race.
Once registered it (should) sort the drivers into divisons - highest X / all drivers go to split 1 then the same size to split 2 and then 3 and so on . That split up is based on the Driver Rank not the Safety Rank tho

[@nephildevil]

The safety rating in iracing is a vulnerability easy to exploit by not racing, but just driving slow like a grandma, some even dont do the qualifying run to avoid crashes or slipouts. But then when you get out of rookies with a tanked irating, sht becomes suddenly serious and you have to get a good position or lose points, something u've totally not trained for.

[@MichiHoyer]

I think same happens here though. Although I think there is less impact on the SR overall, as the rF2 system allows way more lenience on the calculation for safety ratings

[@nfdrummer92]

Do we need to pay for hosting a server? In AMS2 we can create a multiplayer lobby for free

[@MichiHoyer]

You need to pay for the short period server from rFactor 2 yes.
However, you are still able to.host your dedicated server for free. It all depends how you want to go for it.
For setting up your own server you find a tutorial on my channel

[@CossiFreak88]

Hi Michi,
I installed the release candidate earlier and wanted to take part in the competition servers.
Unfortunately, I get a timeout error message on every server.
This is not the case on the normal servers. Do you know what the reason could be?

[@danielfowler899]

It's probably due to them hitting their AWS limits. It's a known issue.
If you register for the race, you should be able to get in.

[@MichiHoyer]

@CossiFreak I think this afternoon they were hitting their capacity limits in the server architecture. I think that should be fixed soon.

[@aprosimracing]

I don't hace access to it. What suppose does one have to do to accept the competition rules? Thank you.

[@MichiHoyer]

What do you exactly mean. You need to start rFactor 2 and then go to the online section. In the top right corner you may need to create an account on race control :)

[@aprosimracing]

​@@MichiHoyerplease disregard it, I got it. Thanks for your reply. Best

[@MichiHoyer]

Thank you ! still helped me looking around haha

[@arcangelkq]

Hi all, thanks for the informative video Michi, i just want to ask anyone that may know about the issue with VR when trying to join the online practice ( timed out to session ). I've tried posting it on their discord server but nothing came back. the second thing i wanted to ask is, will they be introducing a system for when you want to join but have not got the Track, that the sim will give you the option to download it for the Practice/race....

[@MichiHoyer]

Hey Arcan. Sorry to hear about your issues in VR. I will forward that.
about the content missing question - I would love to try myself, but I own all available content so I cannot. i will try to find answers on these :)

[@OnWheelsTV]

It's annoying. I tried it, and looks to have no news, only problems, which in rFactor 2, has much as that makes me sad, let's face it, it's normal. First I tried to get to a novice session, with the USF17 at Mores. I have both contents, but could never get to the server, with the message 'missing content'. Then, the competition changed to the BMW M2 at Lime Rock Park. I joined the server, but could never get to the car and on track. One guy was on the server when I joined, was also not able to get on track and eventually left. Another guy joined as I was there, after a while also did not go on track and also left. And this is it. It's always a problem, annoying. I really like the physics of the sim but something here simply doesn't work.

[@MichiHoyer]

I am afraid that you are very unlucky in this regard.
I have done 5 races in total there now. Only once, the result did not get processed correctly. therefore giving us no ratings and rankins impact.
Any other race started and went absolutely flawless.
There is 2 known issues.
One is the practice servers seem to be not working well also latency wise when they get to full
and the other one that the races dont start if more than 10 splits are created

[@zoltanbazso6247]

previous-release does not work?

[@MichiHoyer]

What do you mean the previous release does not work?
Currently it does. VEC is racing on 1133 which is old release. New rF2 online is on 1134

[@zoltanbazso6247]

@@MichiHoyer
thanks

[@MichiHoyer]

No worries

[@matthiasgrunwald895]

Geil

[@MichiHoyer]

Aber Hallo!

[@zoltanbazso6247]

I don't have that

[@MichiHoyer]

You need to currently opt in for the release candidate on steam

[@hockeytard1]

Mitchi have you had any problems being able to join some races? I don't know why but every time I register for a race and try to join practice for the race, a new screen pops up saying that I can't join the server. It gives me two choices, go back to the main menu, or close rfactor 2. I have tried restarting the game etc, but it's not working. Very disappointed so far.

[@gagipro92]

Beta dude, beta

[@Tudkno]

It is a known issue to the devs, practice servers are filling up too quickly so you get a timeout, the actual race session still works so you can still register for them.

[@gagipro92]

​@@Tudknoand they reached AWS quotas for their account

[@hockeytard1]

@@Tudkno
Thanks for your response. I tried that but when the race was supposed to start I couldn't get in. The next day I noticed that I was registered for the race and my result was DNF but I couldn't get into the race to begin with.

[@kevbarber]

I've had that too. I just kept trying and then got in after a few attempts. I wonder whether it's just practice servers filling up quickly as there are a hundred or so people trying to get in at the same time.

[@Sweatydave1]

Signed up but accidentally put in wrong email address for verification, now when I try to update my info nothing saves so not receiving a verification email…I know it’s in beta but any ideas of a work round anyone? As usual rf2 driving me up the wall😂

[@JaredPaul01]

Get in contact with studio 397, i'm sure they will help reset it for you.

[@MichiHoyer]

I would go to the rFactor 2 discord and let them know about both, your mistake and the issue that it cannot get updated

[@Sweatydave1]

Thanks for the reply, I’ll do that although I can still register and race so something is a bit off👍

[@MichiHoyer]

@@Sweatydave1best is to go to the rf2 discord server and post your issue in #online-bug-reports
they are greatly appreciating the feedbacks.

[@seebarry4068]

I like it. Deleted iracing.

[@MichiHoyer]

Get in there man! Thats the way. Now we just need to get more and more people over to rFactor 2

[@serhatyildiz7377]

I though that ı am watching this video in slow motionn 0.75, why you aare speak so slow mann like you are reading articles from paper :D

[@MichiHoyer]

Thanks for the feedback mate! Important criticism. So yeah, I was reading slow (and maybe also silent) because it was in the middle of the night when recording. However, I wanted the video to be extremly clear and easy to follow. But next time, I speed up the speech! thanks a lot!

[@serhatyildiz7377]

@@MichiHoyer np, thanks a lot for the content!

[@MichiHoyer]

@@serhatyildiz7377 you are welcome. Glad you generally enjoyed it, besides the slowmo speech haha

[@RedditSideways]

Bro youre speaking in .5x

[@MichiHoyer]

Yes. Loud and clearly so everyone can follow me :)