"ana, Topson & Miracle" -Ceb on the best player he ever played with (mechanically & overall balance)
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Miracle was dominating pro scene for a long period of time, it took a lot of time for other pro players to figure out his playstyle and strategy.
Ive never seen someone as good as miracle when it comes to the combo of things you should know about the game, and i cant agree more about what ceb said about every single one of them
Miracle the 🐐
The Miracle God. Greatst fan of him.
Nah he sucks
Prime miracle destroyed everything in his path.I remember CZcams was all about miracle matches you wouldn’t see anyone else like now.All channels showed only his games for more than a year.I have watched his games and I still don’t know how that dude did it but he gave it his all always and never gave up like never that’s what I liked about him
Overrated
I just realized it too btw, the first thing utube showed to me when I searched about Dota back then was Miracle at most.
Yep. Miracle was nuts nuts
That's a throwback - 2016 CZcams was absolutely dominated by Miracle- clips, highlights and pub games. Truly a different breed back then, but other players are reaching his skill ceiling now, e.g. Nisha, Yatoro.
Not as pure playmakers though. Yatoro is a better carry for sure. But overall I don't think anybody has reached Miracle peak yet.@NamesAreTaken
I mean the things Miracle did and the plays.. They were truly next level. Back then people couldn't believe it was possible to be this good at Dota.
prime miracle is like watching a smurf plays on pro lvl
There was this pro game where Miracle was playing TB and his team was just getting picked off and dying all game. He was massive but he couldn't 1v5 the enemy team, so he got radiance on TB and delayed the game forever lol eventually his team caught up and they won. Idk if that was on OG or with Kuro, but I remember watching and thinking this game is hopeless cuz the enemy team will eventually catch him and throw everything to kill him and game would be over. But they never caught him. He wasn't the top in mechanical stuff but he is probably the best player at deciding how to use his farm to win the game. It isn't as simple as getting all damage and being unkillable, some games he takes his farm and creates space for his team to catch up. Another game where he was playing carry tiny and got a late blink + shadow blade and kept picking off the enemy team while split pushing. Wish he comes back in some team
yeah, sad, but he wont be winning any crap with the way how kuro is doing right now :(
He is mechanically one of the best too
Ahhh the good Ol Radiance on Illusion heroes. That was a broken 3v3 strat before in dota 1.
His illusion heroes macros are insane. He cut 3 lanes.
:/ I swear jerax never gets love.
That said, ana and topson were mechanically gifted. They werent the wisest dota players, but they had a niche and a focus that was hard to replicate.
Still, jerax never gets enough love in these moments.
I wouldn't say Jerax is mechanically strong, but his read in the game is off the charts. Game sense wise would definitely be Jerax.
Oh no a 2 ti winner and recognized by the whole community as a legend is not loved, OH NO :((((((((((((( Should we call jerax and tell him that random dog said he doesn't get enough love???? :((((((((((((((
@@whizzzy7185 true Dota player right here🤣
I would absolutely say JeraX is mechanically strong, what? That's how you get away with razor edge plays and dives and near-perfect positioning like he did consistently, because you know how the mechanics interact, and execute them well. Don't have to knock his mechanics to praise his game sense, he was just insanely good.
We're talking about the guy with a legendary EARTH SPIRIT. That doesn't happen without strong mechanical knowledge and execution.
@@missbelled6700 it is more positioning wise like you always there on the right place on the right time.. anyone can save his teammate with IO or earthspirit, but keep doing that on crucial moment u have to have amazing dota game sense.. or always keep a tier 1 enemy caught off guard and get tossed.. anyone can toss enemy with tiny, but always doing that on the right moment is crazy
Miracle really brings dota to its peak at that time
Miracle was bonkers back then
Absolutely, while big daddy was trying to keep up.
Still remember miracle OD 1v5
Pre ti7 era was sure his peaks. He had a good run until ti9, and then it start to fall apart.
@@MoXy69409 sad but true, i think he can compete now a days but its not the same
Not really
Peak of Miracle was something else. But I also put Ana to the same conversation. He also was a so aggressive playin carry at early phase and still scaled to the late game easily. But if I had to pick just one player to start my roster then it would be Topson. The most versatile player I have ever seen.
Now miracle`s back paying the price for all the carrying he had to do during those times.
He's balding now
I remember back then, my youtube was full of Miracle and Dendi highlights 😂
Bro, miracle was so good that my youtube dota algorithm was all about him.
Miracle is just insane. And he can play all 5 pos to near perfection
i agree topson and ana just brings the new shit, gyro -> diffusal and then ana -> io carry (although i think it was famous already before ti9) but to do it in the biggest stage of dota dayumm
I only saw 7fckingmad (Ceb) as their coach before, did they ever play together in an official game, maybe back in Monkey Business, chat?
of course it is Miracle the GOAT
now we're here knowing that 2 of these guys are back and play on the same fucking team 😭😭
And my baby miracle is the humblest person you'll ever meet:>
Mechanically none comes close to prime Miracle-. Can solo carry entire team to victory.
well its the HC after all...
Sumail(early) Gh, jerax, miracle, nisha would be my picks
Dude yes! GH was actually insane at some point
The morph es combo most succesful was gabbi tnc 2019 remember.
It's weird how it's almost impossible to be the "wiz kid" for more than like 3-4 years, seems like it's a revolving door of talent. Can't pinpoint why exactly. Maybe it has to do partly with meta changes, like your playstyle fits perfectly for certain patches, then when the meta changes, it suits someone else better. Or maybe you can only grind so hard at that 16/hrs a day rate, and stay ultra focused for only a handful of years. Maybe they get success and then take their foot off the gas. Maybe it's an age thing, the wiz kids are almost always at their peak at like 19-23 years old.
There is a thing you are keeping out of the equation that might be the most important thing imo: their personal life and the emotional moment, when you feel everything Is good and goes well, and you can only focus on game with no worries at all, you actually feel invencible
I suspect it's some combination of all of those things.
I remember 1v5 OD miracle
i just wondering if miracle is still alive or not.. been so long.. i dont care if he in nigma or what team i just want to see him play live.
Got the news already, bud?
Miracle simply the G.O.A.T
Miracle & Gh best duo❤️
I miss Miracle
BATCHEST!!!
Smail: yare yare DAZE
There is a treand in Dota patches. Every time some pub player goes to big tournaments and breaks the game, Valve changes meta to match their playstyle for others to adopt it more easily. Until it goes too far and other player/team breaks it again.
its not about meta bro. Its the players have already caught up to his level
To me dendi in 2010-2013, sumail 2015 and miracle 2016-2017 is the clasic best player in that era
No arteezy ?
@@bayusantoso7558 arteezy overrated
Hard agree, with topson and ana being the great cores of the 18-19 era
EE and RTZ 2014
Agree
Topson is a mechanical wonder, and ana is an oddity himself, but miracle also shines in understanding the game and leading the team. In the true sights, most of OG's calls are made by notail, ceb and jerax, but miracle was the leader behind kuroky.
Really?
No one has ever came close to miracle in his prime
Mechanically untouchable
Nawp, he cant carry games the way ana did or the way yatotoy is doing right now
Did u watch liquid vs secret ti7 game3
@@shingngaling4357 This is the most disgusting thing to say. Even Ceb a coach who coaching both of them, said Miracle undisputed.
@@shingngaling4357 dota is about team play and doesn't matter how good u are but if there's no gameplay communication it's nothing, miracle show us everything he could. He's the MJ in dota2
Ana and Miracle, sure. Prime Topson's is a just another tier of his own.
Miracle comeback to Old G? CONFIRMED?
Miracle's greatest blessing, also turned out to be his greatest curse --> Kuroky
i gotta say i do agree with these picks. but topson is in a league of his own. you will never see topson dominated ever. ive watched him play for years when i was in the dota scene. topson at his peak was god level. but miracle was the goat for a long time.
miracle got TI still best player for me.
He sucks
No one close to miracle...... He is best on his prime and right now❤❤❤
Idk how can he say ana kid didnt know to agro creeps he was the weakest mid player or at least his early game is not as good as miracle or sumail
imagine he managed to become a pro without creep agro... That just shows how good he was at his peak.
He was average player in alot of terms maybe even bellow them, but i rewatched some replays in his peak and style how he fights, how he choose targets and how he press spells + items was probably the best of all carry players at the time. Over all he was really mechanicly gifted and pure talent to the game, and he himself said that he never followed rules of how to play game by others or somethin like that but he played based on feeling and u could see it during his times. I think he was special player.
Ana was not mechanically gifted... He was probably smart and talented player with a gift for finding unorthodox heroes. Og moved forward coz of jerax though. When he left, they didn't manage to win more
For me miracle
BatChesting
Yall saying miracle but miracle just stick to typical normal mechanical build or what. Topson and Ana are top tier cause they created their own meta. No hate to miracle his the strongest one on all laning but he just doesn't have the same aura as the 2
Have ceb ever played with miracle in tournament?
in OG, when ceb name 7ckngMad as standin
Ana 1 el carreo 2 ti con 3 descansos, 2topson, 3 miracle sumail
Jerax?
miracle 2016 very scary then got eliminated in ti by TNC surprise surprise
miracle is the greatest player of all time
lol
@@Dokuwanlol for u 😂😂
why they pick miracle always coz the goat didnt need a talent tree to be such OP player
Nah
mega duper fluke
Jerax was the best og player not even close
Admit it…prime miracle destroyed everyone guys
Lol no
agreed. prime miracle was the best player to have played this game and know its ins and outs. he was the closest thing to dotas perfection before openai bot was born.
@@lexk8861 no
He's overrated asf. U just butthurt that Ceb(one of the best) says it's topson.
His invoker was unbeatable for 2 years straight, people caught up to him only becoz it took like 2 years to figure out his style and strategy and how to Counter his playstyle
Ceb never played with Miracle though. He was the coach at the time
He was a def playing with miracle on scrims you dumb fuck. fyi Ceb was one pf the first 9k mmr players alongside miracle. He’s still using 7fuckingmad monicker back then.
Wasn't Ceb as coach stand-in while Miracle was in OG... Like some Major or so... Couldn't remember....
Btw, they've been playing together all along during booth camp, etc...
Have you ever heard of scrim and pubs? Lmao
that means Ceb observed him better than any other player or coach XD.. wtf u mean?
Prime miracle > nisha
Why
Yea Nisha kinda miracle 2.0 carring the team hard af
Yeah prime miracle < prime nisha
@@janribandaso3515 casual..nisha??? Nobody even mentioned nisha when miracle was cooking
@@janribandaso3515win ti then we’ll talk
where ana
Did Ceb play with Sumail?
yup, in ti10.. destroyed by Team Spirit,
@@TheUnknown-sr9ko Who got destroyed in TI11 by a "mediocre" team.
@@vjbd2757 yes and now end up in division 2, and Team Spirit on MAJOR.
@@vjbd2757 move on xD this team is gone far.
@@pinowadowlsky9699 but what if they didn't change roste..
Ok for all those saying Miracle isn't mechanically gifted or doesn't have mechanical skills....... Have you forgotten already???? Have you forgotten those sf and voker plays? Even some great plays on other mid heroes? The stuff he's pulled which no one else has even came close to.......
even sumail admit that miracle is one of the best at his peak. he(sumail) even mentioned the invoker of miracle which is the best and unlanenable shit and it's coming from a guy that's a mechanically gifted too imagine it''s from sumail.
Nah he sucks
Miracle can play meepo too
Jerax still the best imo. Its all shown in true sight. Without his tiny , pugna heal etc. There is no highlight on them at all.
good point tbh. jerax making the call to fight after no echo no global telling every1 man up was huge. No 1st TI without that call
@@j1g240 well if thats ur point, it means jerax is good in being vocal, not mechanically, not saying he is bad, but not as good as topson and ana, but in being vocal, jerax is better
@@totoupetra4873 tru but jerax rubick and earthshaker was huge during their run. aswell as his IO which was perfect. also sumail was carrying og during their ti run, so id have to put him up there
@@j1g240 It's kinda interesting because Ceb later pointed out Sumail isn't best suited to play carry, he later told that he's more of a midlaner for his peak performance. I didn't get that he's disappointed; but I think he compared it to ana and Miracle and how should a carry be like in TI league.
@@tharkas3077 ya i remember seeing that and idk why he said that. sumail was 1v5ing vs spirit when they got eliminated.
not saying jerrax is a crime tbh
Miracle is the GOAT. too bad he stick with Nigma 🤣
LOL he is one of the owners
during his prime, its unanimously known that Miracle is the GOAT but today, many have surpassed him.. but still kudos to the man because he still can be relevant unlike some players like w33 despite who they were at their peak are struggling to catch up with the meta.
Ana is best dota player ever. He hit 9.7k mmr before ti8 then stop playing ranked later after ti9 abed reached 10k. He have 64% winrate on main account. Best carry performance I ever saw in ti8 finals game 4 and 5. Literally won ti9 win io carry and destroyed miracle in finals.
what about prime MUSHI ?
dude, wake up
The caption literally said “ever played with”
Are you drunk
FORGET ABOUT IT
You need to learn English dude haha
yikes
Why is miracle shilled in every comment section..something fishy...
and 1k worms always troll miracle for some reason XD.. coz ull NEVER even touch his feet at dota..
He sucks
ana 1 topson 2 sumail 3 miracle 4
Rtz 1
Sumail 2 king of mid ❤
Sumail shouldnt even be in top 10 mid players. the guy just play the game, he doesn't make heros become meta or new items builds or something that can be considered as "wow this guy just bring new stuff to the game" sumail just a regular player.
this shouldn't be even a Question it is MIRACLE- 100% just ask this question to Notail cuz he has really played with him not some noob who has seen broken io getting abused to win ti and calling it MECHANICS ? LMAO
Define mechanics of DOTA, Miracle is not that good at mechanics of the game, the best mechanically that I've seen is topson.
cmon it just clip. ur opinion will change if u watch the full video 😂
Wrong Ceb 😅 miracle brought the morph into earth spirit than anyone haha it was miracle not topson
?
Miracle in his prime was like idk, messerschmitt 262 in WW2. He was like 1st ever Jet fighter, the way he played the game … he was the best of the best, there was no scale for that guy, noone even came close to miracle ever in dota history, he was the pianist and he was the great strategist at the same time… For me personally, he wrote another page of dota history. I’m not sure if miracle himself can come close to his prime times 🫠
And yes i have played thousands of pubs with him…
He was like me
Ceb what? Favoring ? His teammates? Lol btw miracle is still in his prime please stop it lol even sumail admitted as being the king of mid said miracle is the greatest of all time and for your kind information ceb miracle started the morph scepter plays firstly than anyone had ever thought to turn into earth spirit and get quadruple rampage against secret
Title is inaccurate
ana and Topson is Ceb’s overall THE best Mechanical players he ever played with/against
Basically speaking because of Topson’s unorthodox gamestyle and ana’s pure skills
Miracle WAS Ceb’s best Mechanical Player he played during 2016
Ceb technically only pointed out ana and Topson
Wrong...but coming from you is normal to see something like this ,Ceb said the best overall player he played with is miracle 2016, obviously he considers that was miracles prime
@@marcomartinez9230 Well that technically what Ceb said,…You can play the Clip again if you want
@@nnk9305 I think you're the one who needs to play the clip again. Ceb said that ana and topson are the best mechanical players he ever played with. For example, there was IO+windranger combo that they discovered. Meanwhile, miracle's TI6 is balanced in all aspects (mechanical, laning, game understanding).
So, basically, the title is accurate.
Ceb mentioned all 3.. it's you who only went totally brain dead after you heard the name ana & topson. But hey you're not the only OG dick sucker here that we're used to see
do you understand english?
Miracle was dumpstering Tier 1 teams when he was in his first Jordan Dota team. Pro players and veterans of the game were terrified because he would easily win 1 v 5 with minimal support from his team
I don't care what Ceb said. I just wanna look ephey❤. I would be a simp for her
Someone needs a lesson from Virgil
Ephey uses fake voice, it’s annoying.