The View from Gaza | Palestinian Ambassador to the UK - Husam Zomlot
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- čas přidán 17. 10. 2023
- What's it like to live in Gaza? What are the key differences between the PLO, the PA, Fatah and Hamas? How far away are we from the diplomatic high point of the Oslo Accords?
On today's episode of The Rest Is Politics, Rory and Alastair are joined by Husam Zomlot, the Palestinian Ambassador to the UK.
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From a TRIP point of view, it is important to hear and listen to as many different perspectives as possible. Find some of our other videos on the matter here:
- Rory's Historical Explainer: czcams.com/video/xAs5EOBUDcs/video.htmlfeature=shared
- A View From a Liberal Israeli: czcams.com/video/9qaxYQqmzIg/video.htmlfeature=shared
Shame you didn't ask him if there's anything he can do beyond calling his sister. Can he call his counterparts in Gaza and help find the hostages? Just to see him smile and laugh
My guess is he saying an unverified report about the beheading of babies.
We keep hearing that Israel is a Democracy and if someone like Netanyahu or Sharon before him keeps getting elected it is only reasonable to conclude that the majority of Israelis don't want peace. No one with even pretense to peace would allow characters like the finance minister and others into a government. Israel is a nuclear power and doesn't feel obliged to follow any UN resolution, same as US, Russia, and North Korea and this is why Iran wants to be one. Why not be honest with palestinians?
For the 1st time ever Andrew Marr now outside of BBC criticized Netanyahu openly. I doubt that he just came to this conclusion about Netanyahu.
Only climate deniers and those who believe the Earth to be flat buy this so-called "diplomatic" self-censorship. Why does your podcast buy into this? You don't seem to value your credibility.
Despite Hamas' attack the polls show that the British are supportive of Palestinians and don't buy Israel's propaganda. This is not going to change because with Internet the game is up. I think even Israel knows that but they just don't care.
I used to work with a lot Israelis and most of them didn't even think of ending the conflict and didn't want it to end. This gave them the kind of paranoia that they believed to be essential to their existence. Paradoxically they are even more distrusful of Christians than Moslems.
That is quite understandable because even if they took all the land they would still be surrounded by Arabs and they have learned not to trust outsiders. That is part of their psyche and has been all throughout time ever since the Romans burned their temple and were forced out of their so-called Biblical land. It is a way of self-preservation and yet a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Anyone who has dealt with paracticing Jews and hasn't recognized this must be a moron.
The whole Gaza is hostage!
He feels to me being listening to a disque repeating everytime the same noise.
To me he seems to enjoy his life/ job so much that he forgot what it means to suffer. Even not the sufferings of his own family.
His mouth is like a waterfall.
And luxury made his heart to be silent and his tongue already longing for a good lunch with the people he sits with during the interview.
To see someone speak with such passion, patience and knowledge, at perhaps the most difficult period in their entire life, in a language that isn’t their mother-tongue, is pretty awe-inspiring. Thank-you Ambassador Zomlot
This man is very impressive in every regard, much respect! 👏😀👍
problem is that he wasnt always telling the truth, just like the israeli ambassador.
What was untrue?
@@martinwhitney9343people like you just like to throw a stone and leave everybody wondering, you sow unfounded dispute, just like those who sow the seeds of today’s dispute
@@martinwhitney9343can you point out one untruthful statement that he uttered?
I'm glad you allowed Husam to talk openly and give long thoughtful answers. Always so articulate, composed reasoned, and particularly assertive. And during the tragic loss of his family members. He's a credit to the Palestinian people, and I wish our politicians in the UK were more like him.
Entirely agree.
A remarkable conciliatory speaker.
A revelation of the truth.
It is humbling how a man can remain as stoical positive, constructive and hopeful having lost a high number of close relatives a few days before in Gaza under the bombs of the Israeli army.
The manner in which he gently brushes aside the endemically racist, presumptuous and biased discourse of his patronizing hosts’ prejudices with sincerity, integrity and humility is a lesson in the art of genuine diplomacy.
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Paris
Specially the two hosts.
Are we to believe he did not know what his government of terrorists was going to do. Replay of the Japanese Ambassador at the time of Pearl Harbour. Pure BS.
But... always every journalist comes up with the Hamas false flag attack, they should explain, why the border was not secured and second where is the proof as there are videos circling that the festival was in Tel Aviv which is miles away, and which are old videos. Where are the funerals? Come on guys, do not fall every time in the same lying trap
A lying terroriet and genocidsl conman?
Your Excellency, Dear Ambassador Zomlot, I have listened to several interviews you have given in the last few days and I am so grateful to you for patiently explaining and teaching the world the history. The world needs to know this. You are an outstanding voice for Palestine. As a retired UN staff member, it gives me great pride to hear you speak. I ask God to bless you as you continue your important work. Peace be with you dear Sir. Take care of yourself as the whole world needs the healing of Israel and Palestine. And you are a healing force, a voice of reason, a voice of justice, a voice for peace🙏
Profoundly moved by your post.
Agree with every syllable.
Heartfelt thanks from Paris.
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Maybe you should ask him to educate you on the following issues: what does the palestinan school program say about Hitler? Israel? Jews? Suicide bombings? Jihad? If he says truth (which of course will never happen) - you will understand a lot about this conflict.
@@constantineblyuz5786just go away with that nonsense
@@constantineblyuz5786😂😂😂 seriously? The UN run schools in Palestinian territory.
And it's the israelis that teach their kids to fear Arabs...israeli government are extremists and called Palestinians "human animals" very recently.
@@TenaciousDeeezof course nonsense. Why ask the representative of the terrorists real questions.
Thank you for a very calm, educational and non intimidating interview. Ambassador Husam, my prayers are with you and all Palestinians - Muslims and Christians. We see how difficult it is for you to make the world understand how unfairly Palestinians have been treated. May justice prevail and be on your side.
After seeing the ambassador be interviewed by the BBC and have them repeatedly ask obviously combative questions at a time when his family had just died was horrible. I'm so thankful for you giving zamot a platform without the incessantly ghoulish questions. was a pleasure to watch both the Israeli and the Palestinian interviews.
He's an ambassador, so it's his job to answer difficult and combative questions, and we can here that he is very good at it. If he was just a random person off the street though, I would agree that combative questions would be unfair.
@@alexrothwell2053His job is to represent his government and the Palestinians. Not bat off absurd, biased questions from out of depth journalists
@@Rory626 I agree with you that journalists are often poorly informed and ask stupid questions, but making the interview difficult for politicians or representatives of institutions is a good thing. I've seen them do it to the Israelis too.
@@alexrothwell2053 I agree, but you make an interview difficult by asking pointed, specific questions. Not regurgitating the same talking points and speaking over your guests when they don't answer it how you want them to
@@Rory626 I haven't seen the interview, but I can picture them doing that. I agree that it's annoying, I just object to the idea that there shouldn't be any pushback
Inspiring man who has to deal with endlessly stupid and insulting questions on the mainstream media. Nice to see him able to talk freely about his life and the history of the conflict.
Somehow in his history all the following disappeared: massacres of Jews by Arabs in 1922, 1929, 1936-1939 etc; Arab support to Hitler, Massacre at the Munich Olympiad and thousand terror attacks.
How is Gaza? Beautiful. Beautiful concrete jungle. Beautiful ghettos. Wonderful tunnels.
Unfortunately Israel denied water and electricy to our tunnels. Israel is Apartheid Nazis best friend. Mohammed simply loves Jews and Christians this is why Mohammed is the last and final prophet. This is why end of prophet.
Gaza was is not only for Muslims ofcours. FOR CHRISTIANS. HINDUS. JEWS. SIKHS for all. Half our population are Jews because Allah is merciful.
Palastine will win. Won lost terribly.
Exactly, mankind has lost there mind. So stupid how people look at politics today, it has not been before. The situation today is that the liars are be 0taken for true and that the true people are made to look as liars. And this although every human being has eyes to looks and ears to hear.
This is SO MUCH BETTER than the interview on Piers Morgan's show a few days ago which was just a shouting match. Thank you so much for this fantastic interview, very insightful, and truly informative.
Piers M hideous
Very true
It was awefull to watch. Such a biased interviewer.
@@hellebachmann8260you meant, I am such a biased watcher didn't you?
@@m.b.4004 not really, maybe I should have written biased reader 🤷♀️
Ambassador Zomlot is so eloquent and articulate even though English is not his mother tongue 👏🏻👏🏻thanks for this calm conversation, what a difference between yesterday’s interview with Zomlot and Piers and this one 🙏🏻well done!
This is the first interview I have seen with this gentleman on British media in which the first or second question wasn’t ‘Do you condemn Hamas?’ Kudos, gentlemen, for a fair, thoughtful, and balanced conversation about this difficult issue.
This was a very good interview that allowed the ambassador to clearly and articulately explain his government's position. However, asking a Palestinian leader if they condemn Hamas is a big deal and worthy of being asked, it's not just a cheap shot to embarass somebody. That being said, PA officials have to walk a tightrope between alienating outside players by failing to distance themselves from terrorism, and alienating elements within their own population by appearing to take Israel's side.
Anyone who wants to speak on current events should naturally want to condemn Hamas (maybe to distinguish himself from it so the outside world knows where he stands and can actually listen to the Palestinian cause or just to simply express sympathy to the victims of horrific crimes, as a form of basic courteousness). Now when there are more and more Palestinian victims it is understandable that the focus is there too.
why not ask that question? There are no demonstrations across the world against Hamas
@@alexrothwell2053asking if somebody condemn Israel is also a valid question that’s never asked! The Knesset have many terrorists one of the biggest ones in Netanyahu himself!
I wanted to hear more about Palestine and his life and his family's history. He seemed so happy and his voice sounded so light, finally speaking about something else than politics and the neverending plight of his people. Thank you so much for this interview!
Yes, how nice a normal dinner guest likened home style interview/ chat like a guest speaker in someone's home on vacation!❤😂
Excellent interview! Full of compassion and trying to move the needle on the issue. Ambassador Zomlot is an influential voice for the Palestinians. He is reasonable, calm and able to answer difficult questions convincingly without trying to skirt the issue.
He does not represent the majority. He should be out of his office. Antisemitism is much more common than u think in all palestinian territories. However, why didn't u ask about the pay that this PLO grants to Hammas terrorists and their families?
@@user-wt2kz2uq5p Netanyahu also doesn’t represent all Israelis. But he still speaks for Israel. The Ambassador is a representative of the PA that even the Israeli Govt recognizes. Second, Hamas was funded and supported by the Israeli Govt. as a counter to nationalist Palestinians. That’s a fact. So why should it matter if PLO also “funds” Hamas? Third, Arabs are also semites so how can they be antisemitic? Arabs, Christian’s and Jews lived in harmony before the Zionists stole their land with the help of antisemitic Europeans. I would go as far as to say that Zionists love and draw sustenance from antisemites. The people who most persecuted the Jews for a thousand years made it their mission to use biblical references to get rid of the Jews from their societies and give them a homeland by stealing it from Palestinians. And the Zionists loved them for it and became the protectors of their interests in the Middle East.
@@Pserene47
In liberal democracy, elected leaders represent even those who did not vote for them. that's why it happened only once in history that a democracy declined into something else. In contrary, if u loose the elections, and u don't peacefully transfer the power (like the PLO did), or if u fail to count transparently, so it doesn't represent the majority. It's easy. How many ppl lived "in Harmony" before the Zionists steal the land? Why did they come to this land? I mean- land is something u can't take with u.
What is a biblical references?
Have u every found Christians who expelled from that land and asked them who expelled them?
@@user-wt2kz2uq5pAntisemitism applies also to Arabs, including Palestinians, Persians, not only Hebrews or Jews, or ancient Israelites, right? They are a mixture in middle east these days not all are,but overall Arabs, Jews, Persians, Armenians, are of Indo- Europeans, and or Semitic ancient peoples, and ancient Sumerians. Right?
@@joannreed2064
I meant Jew-hatred, Sorry. I suppose u understood it right from the beginning.
I am currently studying this conflict for uni, I started before October 7th. To see this play out in real time while also diving into the extended history, of things like the Balfour declaration of 1917 and understanding that Palestinian resistance has been strategically criminalised by the British only to then have the British withdraw, leaving that legacy while not upholding their part of the bargain, it becomes increasing hard to sit back and watch the UK and US (and others) support Israels illegal occupation. Both sides have suffered atrocities, yet aside from the acts of Hamas, Palestine has tried over and over again to broker peace while giving up the majority of their land. To then suggest that they are in part the perpetrator of the situation in which they are essentially fighting the same invasion as Ukraine, yet no one is saying Ukraine are to blame when they fight back against Russia. The West are not willing to recognise Palestine as a country or a victim because as soon as they do they become complicit in Israel breaking international law. Standing up to Israel and saying they have broken the law they agreed to while taking land from another group of people is not antisemitic. I thought the Ambassador did a great job amid what must be an increasingly frustrating situation.
The antisemites/anti Zionists have double standards and the sheep fall for it.
Watching Russian anti freedom, anti democracy rockets falling on Ukrainian cities and towns is like watching Hamas anti freedom, anti democracy rockets falling on Israeli cities and towns.
I don’t know what type of Islam these rockets are carrying…..but they are certainly not tipped with democracy, gay rights, women’s rights, freedom of speech and freedom of expression etc etc.
The Russians are as bad as Hamas.
Knowledge is power, but at the same time infuriating when it leaves you helpless. The term ignorance is bliss has never been truer.
Well said.
Studying the same, for the same reasons
Also, remember that Hamas was democratically elected and are a resistance group from the Zionist occupiers.
So nice to see Husam very relaxed and speaking beautifully about his beloved homeland, Palestine. This is because the interviewers are very wanting to understand Palestine unlike other media outlets who just want to attack. Well done guys and keep up the great work. 👍🏻👏🏼
Apparently « wanting » but in fact, sadly, deafened by their set prejudices and agenda.
The disgraceful backstabbing coda to the interview encapsulates this.
No such post mortem attack was reserved for the Israeli speaker received previously as a greater « victim ».
Palestinian only one victims
Do u know anything about the history of Israelites and all tribes? Jacob was given the name Israel. There never was a land called Palestine, all came came from Jordan and Egypt etc. speaking of and in historic truth only here.
@@nathaliyahforz
Soooooo? The people occupying the land called Palestine (now) were pushed out. Those people were living peacefully then with Jews among them. Bang! Zionists from Europe, Balfour, Sykes, Picot……beginning of it all. Shame. Are we going to go back hundreds, thousands of years to claim lands we heard in a book was given to us by a mythical god? Let the American Indians rise up!
@@nathaliyahforzthe prophet Ibraham (PBUH) came to Palastine from Iraq. There were thses people grandfathers owning their land . Even when he died, he didn’t own the land of his grave. So, how come the guests will kick out the original people?!!!! You moved to Egypt and were slaves for many decades there when Musa (PBUH) took you back to Palestine to be rescued. Then, his followers refused to fight the original people and he died with his brother Haron (PBUH) before Jews went back to Palestine. After that, you destroy the state that had been made by David (PBUH) when he had a victory over the king of originals. You (as Jews) killed the prophets and messengers of God when God punished you by leaving Papastine and being scattered all over the world.
Have to say that this channel feels like a safe harbour in a storm atm. Thank you guys for trying to create a space where we can hear and acknowledge both sides of this incredibly difficult situation and form our own educated perspectives
It really does! Its ethos has always been to listen, argue and if needed disagree agreeably.
This series on I/P doesn’t just live up to that, it sets a new gold standard for the show and other podcasts.
Well put.
@@leongreenAbsolutely agreed. This podcast hasn't just improved political discourse. They've perfected it
It's good to hear both sides. But the Hamas are being defended, and equivilated to Palestinians. They're butchers (Hamas) and there's no defense to what they commited
Nonetheless, the discriminate attitudes are still there. Note the Ambassador talking about his family members who have been killed and hurt, including a child. No notable response or emotional engagement from the interviewers. Meanwhile, their podcast with Yuval Noah Harari, albeit a friend of Rory Stewart and not a politician, starts with an unapologetic personal focus with references to personal emotions and trauma. Clearly, the interviewers were afraid to engage in the Ambassador's personal story and trauma for fear of encouraging too much sympathy.
The need for a private pep talk at the end to critique the Ambassador in his absence, rather than face to face, apparently, associating him to Gerry Adams in some way and so on, also seems to reflect a fear of encouraging too much sympathy for Palestinians - perhaps, too, a fear of the strength of the overwhelming evidence of Palestinian suffering as a result of international crimes.
Many thanks to Ambassador Zomlot and TRIP for an excellent discussion. This really helped me understand the situation better. (from Australia, trying to hold both my Jewish and Palestinian friends here close to my heart).
What an incredible interview & discussion. The ambassador is an incredibly articulate & passionate individual who is a perfect representation for the Palestinian side of things. He appears to be a calm, empathetic, & rational person who is able to see & hear opposing arguments & acknowledge them from a human perspective.. It’s such a shame that Hamas have completely undone any progress that people like this man might’ve had. I feel for everybody on both sides in this horrific situation.
Years ago, in Gaza, I was asked by a couple of students ‘what did they teach you in school about the Sykes-Picot agreement?’ My reply, ‘absolutely nothing’, devastated them. I now live a few miles from Sledmere, family seat of Sir Mark Sykes of said agreement. I was with a young friend in the pub at the weekend to discuss Palestine and asked him the same question. Same answer as mine 40 years ago. We Brits are kept ignorant by the education system of our own history. A little inquisitiveness and willingness to learn from those we have tampered with, would go a long way towards our politicians discovering an international role. [I hope this is not patronising, but the Sykes-Picot agreement was the Anglo-French carve up of the post-WWI Middle East responsible for those ridiculous ruler-drawn lines which slashed through natural communities and has contributed greatly to so many regional conflicts over the past century-plus. See also Wikipaedia]
Could not agree with you more.
When I lived in Dubai the very elderly Palestinian owner of the corner shop said to me, without malice, “You British caused this problem”. He was not wrong.
A Line In The Sand.
book
I have the exact same conversation with Irish family and friends about the way the Troubles and Irish revolution are taught. The shock that most felt that Britain was so willing to recklessly endanger the hard won piece in Northern Ireland during Brexit was matched only by the shock at how few British people knew about the border situation at all.
Yes - Sykes/Picot agreement seems very distant in the collective consciousness of Canadians. We now live under a Liberal Govt that has built its political platform partially on the retribution paid to the society of our recent past. We ethnically cleansed our way west as we battled for control of territory/built a railroad with Chinese labor ….decimated the Buffalo 🦬 herds. What Native Americans did survive our imported epidemics, were subjugated to reservation territorial life, cut off from a established nomadic life following the herds now land locked on a”Rez-Reservation”. We run our hypocritical Liberal Govt on this awareness as we currently support Israel 🇮🇱 and ship military gear to Saudi Arabia. Couldn’t make up a more hypocritical story if I tried …. We. Are. Asleep !! Bit colonially ignorant Eh Canada 🍁 🇨🇦 ?
A great Palestinian Ambassador, a very important voice during this struggle with extremely well measured responses giving context to the political situation his people are in. I heard the interview he gave to the press yesterday, I was impressed..
Like Rabin should've been kept safe, I hope he will have the time and life to continue good work on this issue.
Yes, he somehow forgets the suicide bombings, the billions of dollars given by the stupid westerners which ere either stolen or invested in terror and chauvinistic education system, sometimes even praising hitler.
Pelestiniane people are very educated in fact they're the number one most educated people in Arab countries It's just so bad they have to deal with this Evil Zionest Natzi terrorists Cowards very stupid mental Sick Israel !
Thank you for allowing our representative speak.. the fact you let him SPEAK is much appreciated ❤
Let's not be patronising: Balfour Declaration, Sykes Picot line, the mandate! The duplicity of the British. We started this mess! Some of us know the history.
How does that help?
@@FireflyOnTheMoonYeah the Balfour Declaration doesn’t help the British reputation your right
Unfortunately, we can't change history, so there is no point in blaming anyone. The people involved at the time are all dead, and they would no doubt say they were wrong in hindsight.
Yeah britain has a bloodstained history, yes it should be apologised for, no, pointing a finger mid-crisis does not help end it.
We didn't start the mess. The enmity between Muslims and Jews goes back to pre-Islamic times.
The Qur'an describes the Prophet Muhammad's slaughter of the Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe which had become culturally, politically and economically dominant through its introduction of agriculture to Medina.
Fighters led by the spiritual leader of Islam captured the Jews, took the women as sex slaves then dug trenches in the market of Medina and beheaded 600 to 900 Jewish men.
The Qur'an says:
"God helped the faithful in the stress of war... He made you heirs of their land, their houses, and their goods and of yet another land on which you had never set foot before. Truly, God has power over all things."
Thus was a standard set: kill male Jews, take all their belongings, rape their women, God will support you.
The idea that the group God implicitly DIDN'T/ DOESN'T support might NOT need the security of having its own state, with its own defence force, police and judiciary, is grotesquely stupid.
This is what it means to show both sides, without bias. Well done.
There is bias. Sad that you don't see it. But I suppose, this is why this subtle guiding of an audience is so effective. They were way more sympathetic to the Israeli guest.
I agree. I am pretty disturbed at how they are absolute rejective, when any listener would naturally be empathetic. This bias and slightly nosy handwaving is incredibly subtle, but still strong in its own way.@@abdvs325
I am only 15 minutes in but its wonderful to hear him speak about his country and his culture. I hope one day he can return to palestine as a citizen of a sovereign country
God willingly ❤
I would love to see him lead the Palestinian people in their sovereign state. I feel he is very educated, balanced, calm, respectful, passionate about his people, proud of his heritage and can see both sides of the conflict. Oppression is most definitely the root of the entire conflict and until that stops there wont be peace. He is an admirable man and so articulate in getting his point across given that English is his second language. I have true admiration for this man and hope to see him and his people win the freedom they so deserve.
As flagged up, the lack of great international leadership never been more stark. Rory and Alastair a rarity to bring more than one side into perspective. Helps to fill the void of our so called national broadcasters who fail us.Thank you all on this podcast.
Such a good interview. I saw him interviewed by Piers Morgan and came away not learning anything apart from how to make an obviously good man look bad in a clickbait interview. Really appreciate the interviewers letting him speak. 👍
Thank you Rory for allowing the Ambassador to speak to us.
Finally an opportunity for Husam to speak about his deep perception of the region as oppose to constantly being hounded about Hamas. Although there are times where I believe he is either missing important information or I don't fully align, I can safely say that I now see him as a force for good in this world which was a near impossible conclusion to ascertain from his interviews on mainstream media due to the consistent hounding he experiences.
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You say it so well
Yeah, more emphasis needs to be placed on the fact that many Palestinians can not directly condemn Hamas because of concerns that Hamas will retaliate against them/their families. Often speaking in nuance rather than generalities is the most "free" way for them to speak on the issue. What seems like a simple condemnation of violence is not as simple as those in the media make it seem. Though when this inability extends to say Western Harvard students with no personal ties to Palestine, it becomes an unwillingness to condemn, rather than in inability.
So the Gazan people didn't vote Hamas in? They didn't want them? A substantial number aren't choosing to stay to be sacrificed for the cause, have you had a look at the interviews with such people? Have you looked at the founding documents that state the aims of Hamas? What was well known when they were voted into power?
As for the point people who do want cnage can't fight back, nonsense, there's a rebellion in Iran right now, they're in a far worse situation with a government with much more power and weapons at it's disposal, yet there they are fighting back refusing to be ruled by and islamic state that harm's them, that shoots and even bombs them when they rise up.
Iranians have been out in the street saying the attack on Israelis, if Iran was involved it was not done in ther name the do not agree with their government, they do not hate Jews, and they do not want Israel wiped off the map.
Those people are brave AF, and Gazans should take note instead of blaming everyone else, they're in this mess because they took the chance of being left alone with a functioning democratic system, and they gave that power to Hamas. Hamas didn't get in by force.
If Israel has to admit its failings in this complex issue, then so do Gazans. They were given materials to build sewage systems and water systems, they gave Hamas their power and then Hamas used the materials to make weapons.
@@djon3043 Good point. Blaming Gazans for not overthrowing Hamas or speaking out is unfair. An ambassador is a different question though, since it is their job to speak on behalf of their country (or in this case, country-to-be). However, even then we must recognise that the Palestinian Authority has a population to answer to so people need to respect that indirect condemnation is the best they can do. Anybody else who refuses to condemn Hamas is just scum in my opinon.
Gosh, i cannot believe that he holds himself so well knowing that so many of his family have died in the past several days. I commend this man for his courage, patience, self-control, warmth, hope. He is thr light at the end of the tunnel.
They have big families down there. Could be also some of his Hamas-brothers.
@@amuthi1 wow, people like you are just DISGUISTING. DESCRIMINATION has no justification and people like you are the mistake of nature
I'm really happy to see the ambassador Mr Husam Zomlot expressing his enthusiasm about the place he comes from.
Thank you Rory and Alistair for a beautiful podcast ..this should be watched by all ..ambassador Zumlot is a amazing man..a man of reason
My condolences on the loss of your cousin and her family. This is an excellent I would say more like discussion interview, I can't believe he held it together so well when he is personally affected, something that that Rory and Alistair don't get. Can you imagine if it was their cousins family? The ambassador is a really clever guy and I wish him the best.
I think Rory and Alistair did a pretty good job here.
@@alexrothwell2053 I agree. Later yesterday I chanced on a piers Morgan interview on the TV. There was a very agitated guy being interviewed, I soon realised it was the ambassador, it was the opposite of this interview and painful to watch. Morgan went on and on trying to force out of the Ambassador whether he agreed Hamas were terrorists. He did not want to answer a question like that and he became very flustered. In the Rory and Alistair interview I thought he gave the the plo relationship with Hamas very well. It just shows how mainstream interviews are so terrible now.
@@patricksmith4424 "Morgan went on and on trying to force out of the Ambassador whether he agreed Hamas were terrorists. He did not want to answer a question like that " why not? what does he have to hide?
@@jacobkogan Terrorist is a very loaded word. It basically means that a bunch of criminals are executing the most horrific crimes under the guise of some political belief. In other words criminals end off. However, the reality is more complicated. As the Ambassador said why are Israel not "terrorists" for bombing innocent civilians. Oh but they are a country and the rules of crime change for them. But do they. Also Hamas was elected and Palestine has a certain independence so any attack by Gaza could be looked on as an act of war and not a terrorist action. Was the US going into Iraq terrorism? Was USSR in Ukraine Terrorism? What is definate is that Israel is not looking on it as a Terrorist act, they are looking on it as an act war otherwise they would not be causing genocide to the entire Gaza people. So the Ambassador had every right not to be drawn in to that loaded question.
Ambassador Zumlot just kills it with this interview despite the absolute horrors of what the Palestinians are living and have lived through to produce a human like this is absolute stunning. Ambassador Zumlot is such a pleasure to listen to.
As an Algerian listing to him talking about Gaza make me cry ❤ much love
I am glad you are continuing to listen to a painful subject.
Free Palestine FROM hamas
What a balanced way to start an interview. A human interaction should always be the way to interact regardless of differences, in all debates. Always start from a place of respect, always….
And end with an outlandish post mortem backstabbing of the wise, sincere and dignified guest who has been received - with bigotry and disrespect.
Its going well because the other two are not Israelis. If it was directly opposing sides, it would be very difficult.
@@constantquestioning4010Yeah I didn’t like that. I thought they were pretty good throughout but that ending was disrespectful
I agree ..I just wish Interviewer #2 would stop interrupting at key moments ..😅
@@mrmeerkat1096
The graciously condescending Stewart who makes a point of displaying the aristocratic ring on his little finger in each podcast is in fact of Jewish lineage and his bias informs all of his positions and veneer-thin postures of impartiality « reinforced » by his fellow spin doctor.
Consistently, he cuts off the ambassador mid sentence as he speaks freely, informatively and positively, in order to direct the discussion towards the political agenda and set narrative.
The hosts seem deaf, blind and stifled by their stale set of prejudices and convenient clichés, refusing to be surprised by the views and perspective of a scholarly, politically moderate man of civilization, knowledge and remarkable openness.
Of the Balfour Agreement and all that ensued, the Ambassador speaks of a certain « colonial arrogance that led us to where we are today ».
The descendants of that arrogance are clearly alive and well judging by the hosts’ rigidly superciliously set mindsets.
Paris
What an articulate and generous hearted man, an example of a decent human being; he's identified the tragic lack of wisdom in the international world order, a consequence of the rise of populist governments and politicians
It's the other way round: the lack of wisdom of International world order is bringing about the rise of extremism because politics have failed; they have sold the control of pur lives to banks and corporations.
The system has failed and we must figure out an alternative. Right now, no one has one that's why there's so much unrest. I'm ranting...
This is a wonderful lesson teaching in true diplomacy for all humanity. Loved the personal anecdotal stories of Gaza and the historical and monothestic context from the Palestian peoples little is known from this perspective in the west particularly in Britain given the significant part played with the Balfour declaration hats off to all three of you loving this show every interview brings it own heartfelt reasoned wise passion and compassion can I declare myself a groupie ?
The problem with most people is that they judge events in isolation.
What happens today is influenced by what happened yesterday, a week ago, a month ago, a year ago, 100 years ago and even 1000 years ago.
Events are never in a vacuum.
You can't brush aside the history of a region to fortify a specific position.
Hard not to be impressed by this restrained refined diplomat....a credit to his race. "we are the victims of the victims" and tragically victim has become tyrant. We as moral human beings must hope and pray for peace and resolution.
Race? He is a human.
Hes impressive , but a credit to his race ? what on earth does that mean ? A credit to palestinians? because they are not a race .
People aren't too smart.
Agree with every word of your post
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Yes, the victim of the victims somehow forgets the suicide bombings, the billions of dollars given by the stupid westerners which ere either stolen or invested in terror and chauvinistic education system, sometimes even praising hitler.
He is serving and representing his people well.
I don't know if anyone else feels this. But it feels as though both Rory and Alastair have seriously stepped up and taken ownership to give in depth interviews like this. It will never be the whole story as each individual in gaza and israel will have their own story. But the context and nuance produced by these interviews is pivotal. Thank you
The Palestinian ambassador was brilliant.
This is one of the most respectful interviews I’ve watched in a long time.
Yes! Thanks for speaking with Husam Zomlot. Watching his interviews on BBC/legacy media had me questioning whether empathy still existed in any form. He's an interesting man with many valuable insights.
As a Muslim I wholeheartedly and in the most strongest and unequivocal terms condemn what Hamas recently did. Israel should equally be held to account for decades of committing similar atrocities against the Palestinians. Sadly, real politik in the world is such that only those wielding power and influence are able to influence the narrative, not the weak or downtrodden.
As a Jew and an Israeli (though not living there) I agree with you. We didn't rape and behead etc but I put that aside. Every hassid in Beit shemesh should personally be made to hand over the keys of his house to a Palestinian family in a big ceremony, and Israel Should be isolated from the world economy until that happens
Compliments for an objective view, i would like to be in Europe or middle east these days.
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But they agree on the land many years ago. Just move on. Show us you are much better than us. Build something,like schools not bombs,teach your children compassion not to kill the “enemy”. Come on
@@raluktandarajust move on??
That's the whole point ☝️
Israeli people occupying someone else's house is discusting 😢
I have been searching numerous sites to learn and gain an understanding of the current tragedy and have only found shouting matches seemingly encouraged by the short-sighted comperes. What you are doing here is crucially important by being non-judgemental and eliciting patient and respectful explanations by these decent men from both sides. Thank you. My heart bleeds for all the people who have been and are suffering so terribly.
These are the discussions I’ve been searching for, I am so thankful to have found your channel, and hope it grows further. Thank you for being graciously informative.
I have absolutely total respect and admiration for the Ambassador, who has given me an history lesson and an understanding of the conflict through this interview , with all the questions from Rory and Alistair helping me to understand a lot more than I thought I understood about this conflict.
I learned so much also. A really great interview.
His history is also flawed as well. There had never been a Palestine or a plestinian identity for so-called centuries. The region has been in constant flux with various nations, having conquered the region and immigrants migrating to the region .
Ambassador, you are eloquent, intelligent, and have a good heart.
May Allah keep you sincere and strong. May you achieve your mission and finally bring peace to Palestine 🇵🇸🕊
7:03 there's a cut about the accords, conveniently omitted is that 2023 has had over 200 killed and over 38,000 injured from 2021-2023 Alone. Only the westbnank. The only result of those accords was misery, more lands being taken, less rights being given and more oppression as a whole.
He is indeed with all the patient and endurance of what him and his people went through its beyond courage may Allah keep him and the rest of the Palestinians of what they are going through in good hands yarab 🇵🇸❤️☝️
What a great ambassador.
My heart absolutely aches for Palestine
Is hearbreaking to hear the pain and siffering of the Palestinian people😢
No it's not
@@marielouisenilsson3766so tell us what is ?
@@marielouisenilsson3766well you’ve done well to expose yourself as a heartless creature
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That's probably because your heart is closed.
@@marielouisenilsson3766What a sad existence a lot of people in this World make for themselves
Re: your discussion at the end (without the ambassador), I totally agree that this is a great interview format. Finding your interviews far more informative than quick-fire heated debates on mainstream TV where it's just jabbing back and forth and there's no time for reflective thought or detail. Thank you!
Thank you. The Palestinian ambassador speaks truth accurately and wisely.❤
This guy was so good. I learned so much. Palestinians can’t even try to negotiate peace diplomatically without getting called a Diplomatic Terrorist.
While it maybe being more of a rhetorical one, Mr. Zomlot raised the question of how they are supposed to defend themselves and getting international recognition. The more I try to educate myself on the issue, the more hopeless it seems for the palestinians especially since Israel pretty much owns the international stage for decades.
So how is palestine supposed to move forward? The west don't seem to care much how they are being treated by Israel.
Other than that, great content. Keep it coming!
If Germany had occupied Britain after WW1, moved Germans into most of the land and consigned British people into tiny enclaves subject to regular bombing. Well that wouldn't justify terrorism against those new German civilian occupiers, but you'd understand why someone might become radicalised into believing it was.
Or perhaps if they'd won WW2, but then instead of occupying us with German soldiers, they'd gifted Britain to Italy because it was part of the Roman empire during the Biblical era - enforcing the Italian 'right to return', so to speak...
That’s what makes Britain though, the Saxons invaded as did the Normans and the celts. That’s what humans do. They migrate and take land from each other. That’s reality, and people want to survive and defend themselves against the other.
I never hear hate from Palestinian voices. This man is very clever and thoughtful. He didn’t say question that women and children were killed, he said this has never happened before and it isn’t the Muslim way.
Thank you both for this amazing interview, first time listening to a guy who born in a refugee camps, Fine man .
love, prayers and freedom to Gaza and Palestine
Zomlot is one of the most incredible speakers I've seen on this podcast.
So composed and fluent when dealing with such emotional, personally traumatic, and catastrophic topics... in his second language!
Rory thank you for your approach to this difficult dialogue - encouraged by the rational voice of the Palestinian Ambassador Hussar Zomlot his calm voice helps people to understand anew how to confront their own fears and limitations, and to question conventional views presented by the establishment and the established media. Through this process of dialogue, we can potentially find the inner strength and resilience to face this ongoing tragedy with some fragments of hope.
This is the only fair interview about Palestine in the British Media.
Husam is a great person. he has had to deal with so much stupid rhetoric from Western media and politicians, but always handled it with wisdom and humility.
It is some sort of dopamine listening to his presentation. He is smart when it comes to handling Western mainstream media. Though he is given limited time. he has never wasted every minute. In this interview, he is given the luxury of time to go into greater details on the crux of matters that relate to the Plastenian people.
Excellent discussion. Yes, the historical context is important - The Balfour Declaration; even the Sykes-Picot Agreement which basically determined how the Middle East was split up following WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
Thumbs up and subscribing. What a fantastic interview. Thank you for giving us the opportunity to hear all sides in a peaceful and respectful way.
Thanks so munch for your program! I love the way you give the guest the ability to state views, then state a well balanced response. I also appreciate the way in which the interview is held in a civil atmosphere. Your program is much needed !
A sensible and much needed discussion. Well done guys for chairing this important contribution to the sort of dialogue that can get us out of this mess and stop the dreadful bloodshed.
Right and what about Hamas? And Hezbollah? They don't want to talk and they don't want peace. So what's the answer?
@@libertasdemocratiam887 Talk to the people who want to talk. And don't make it harder for them to talk by building settlements and unnecessarily making Palestinians' lives more difficult or dangerous. Hamas are currently being taken care of militarily, so no need for dialogue there. Hezbollah are powerful in Lebanon, so they won't be destroyed, but (as we are seeing now) both sides can avoid all out war due to the mutually assured destruction dynamic. All the serious territorial disputes are with the Palestians (Syria can't do anything about theirs) so that's who Israel needs to talk to.
These interviews are a public service, Yuval/Husam, a revelation in understanding, both made me cry. Your style is a masterclass, both of you. You’re wasted in politics. Do keep it up, we need to understand. Rigour without aggression, deep knowledge at your fingertips. Looking forward to further lessons. Thanks.
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But always with a subtle establishment bias.
How refreshing to listen to three intelligent, sensible and calm professionals hold a open discussion about very complex issues…
The Ambassador refers to the Balfour Declaration (11:09). He says that the Declaration mentions non-Jewish "minorities," and expresses outrage that the British considered the Palestinians to be minorities. In fact, the text says "communities."
Thank you, thank you for doing all these interviews. It is an incredible emotive complicated issue and I am so grateful to you for creating a space where I can learn more. Why can't our main stream news be this factual, educational, open minded, sensible, empathetic, reasonable and fair? I hugely appreciate this channel and all of the interviews I have watched, really am becoming a huge fan of Rory.S.
Thank you guys for a very thorough discussion of this vexed issue. The Palestinians deserve such a decent and educated - in the best sense of the word - representative and the U.K. is indeed fortunate that their Ambassador can hopefully have discussions like this with our parliamentarians which could pave the way for peace talks.
Ambassador has done many interviews past fortnight. I’ve seen some very heated ones. He was much more relaxed with you two. But that’s because it was more a discussion. More time. And you both know more of the history. His Piers Morgan was really fiery. This was by far the most measured and enjoyable. I fully understand his frustrations. He’s extremely educated on his Nation’s history.
A sensitive and rational interview and Ambassador Zomlot is a credit to his people. The question he asks about what exactly the Palestinians are supposed to do? They can't be peaceful and they can't be armed! This is the question that no one really ever answers.
Thank you for hosting the other side of the story and a great guest
I used to hate Alastair Cambell. I have always found Rory Stewart to be an eccentric but down to earth and fair politician. This podcast has really shined a light on Alastair. Thjs podcast has been amazing and I feel as though this could make a change for the positive in the politics in the UK.
Massive respect for this interview! The ambassador deserves to be heard on MSM much more, however they seem to think Israeli lives are much more important than the Palestinian human beings.
Ambassador Zomlot, for days you have been doing a great job standing up to all loud and biased mainstream media, which never tried to actually listen to you! Thanks for the hosts, for being professional and truly curious about and respectable towards your guests! I listened to Yuval Harari’s interview, and whereas I didn’t agree with his analysis in many bits which seemed to be carried out by the understandable emotions of the moment, I love that you give an open platform for all opinions! Well done
Hats off to such a refined and knowledgeable diplomat.The very humane political solution under international laws should be the most significant answer for this ongoing conflicts and bringing peace and harmony.....!!!
I have been following you guys for a while as a middle eastern scientist living in the UK. a lot to say but I only want to mention that it is very difficult to understand and have an empathy with a person whose country has been occupied in her/his or parents/grandparents lifetime and heard the stories from them. same is valid for a person whose parents/grandparents have been killed by another ethnic/political groups or the government etc. I am not a Palestinian or Israeli but have experienced both situation in my family. Both nations have lots of traumas.
As people living in the rest of the world, we should help this conflict to be solved asap. I know what you are trying to do is to help this happening.
I hope the war and the conflict/occupation (whatever it is called) end soon…
I have increasingly been finding long form interviews and discussions such as what you, lex fridman and others are doing to be the best way to understand political and social problems. Thank you for the interview, and I hope to see many more!
Lex had Netanyahu on a couple of months ago. He should definitely have Zonlot on soon.
@@sekwar yes, it was a very interesting interview. Especially Netanyahus take on anti Zionism being anti semitism. But I think it is unlikely he will talk to the ambassador, since Lex has already done a similar interview with a palestinian representative, mohammed el kurd
So useful to hear such an article and eloquent representative for the Palestinian people. Very necessary when so many people have such strident opinions.
Thank you Gentlemen, for bringing this gentleman to the public. Calm, sane voices have been so rare, especially in recent week.
Very good interview. Must respect this man's fight for his people, and hopefully one day soon, country.
As someone who's trying to absorb the historical context of this conflict, Rory's questions at 14:45 and 16:52 were very pertinant. Excellent interview so far - I'll save the second half for later because these podcasts are intense listening (and so refreshing from the usual diatribe)
Approaching the 11min mark they didn't pull him up on the part about the Balfore declaration. Which I found have the interviewee the ability to misappropriate the actual history. Something you might wish to look into further.
@@brettcohen2832what did the interviewee say or state wrong in your opinion? Genuine question
7:03 there's a cut about accords, commentator conveniently omit that 2023 has had the most deaths of any year since 2005, over 200 in that year alone. In addition, the accords only afforded the west bank misery, as they resulted in more lands being taken, less rights being given and more oppression of the population as a whole.
He directly quoted the document, how was his comment misleading?@@brettcohen2832
"We are the victims of the victims"
Perfectly stated.
Perfect statement to live according to long gone realities.
Not perfectly stated at all.
All Jews, but especially Palestinian Jews and Mizrahi Jews who'd been dispossessed and forced into exile when the so-called Arab lands they lived in booted them out, have a perfect right to form a sovereign state as other national groups do. If there are enough believers in, for instance, legalising homosexuality, they should be allowed to coalesce as a group, form a state, and make a different set of laws than the people who believe homosexuals should be executed or imprisoned.
Palestinian and Mizrahi Jews were responding to an unbroken history of communal violence directed at them by Arabs. Their suffering was alleviated only by the intervention of the British mandate authorities, and they were due to leave in 1947.
The state of Israel was declared only hours before the British mandate ended and British troops began to depart. The Palestinian state was declared only hours later. The first act of the Jewish state wasn't to kill off the Palestinian state. But the first act of the Palestinian state was to try to kill off the Jewish state.
Palestinian Muslims have brought all this suffering on themselves by their complete refusal to allow Jews to live peacefully in their own enclave, under their own rules. In 1968 the UNSC passed resolution 242 which tried to resolve the situation by telling Israel to withdraw from the Occupied Territories and by telling all other states and peoples to recognise the legitimacy of the state of Israel and to stop threatening its people.
After the October attacks there is absolutely no way Israelis and their supporters around the world will settle for a situation in which just across the border there's a hostile, fully militarised Arab state pledged at some level to Israel's destruction and either the complete annihilation of the entire Jewish population or the "repatriation" of diaspora Jews.
Love this man. A voice of reason
A most interesting interview. I'm enormously grateful for the insights this podcast consistently provides. Thank you.
What an excellent interview / discussion, and the others you've done on this painful topic. You can see the hurt on all sides, but the ambassadors point about applying the international rules fairly and firmly, and the previous agreements, is a powerful one.
It's nice to see an actual conversation with Husam Zomlot, a real polite discussion of issues. Usually I see nothing but intentional badgering of Mr. Zomlot on other media, as if he's used solely as a media punching bag. Thanks for this conversation. Thanks for letting him speak.
brilliant interview and interesting to see the other side of what most of the media portray ...the genuine gentle side of ambassador zomlot explains the Palestinian plight
The Ambassador’s answer at 32:00 succinctly describes the context of the Palestinian cause-that the world ignores-leaving tragedy and horror as the inevitable consequence.
What is the Palestinian cause? 'cause it doesn't seem to be the formation of a Palestinian state, given how many times they've rejected offers of one.
Oh really....???
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Such nonsense.
Did you listen and hear?
@@constantquestioning4010 Facts are nonsense, I see. I listened. Same old ideological bulshit. It may be worth you not merely listen, to anyone, by do your own research into the history. Plenty of documental stuff is available. Then come back and debate, if you can, instead of showing yourself off for the ignoramus that you are.
@@AA-yc8yr I agree with you overall, but that's a little bit harsh. While the most "rational" option would be to sign pretty much any deal they can before it's too late and things get worse, doing so would be political (and perhaps literal) suicide for a Palestinian politician, and even then, the success of it still depends on whether the relevant players on both sides are willing to stick with and implement it. Thanks to groups like Hamas and the Israeli far-right parties, this is far from guaranteed.
Finally, the media allowed Husam to talk. I'm so glad
I'm new to this channel but the coverage of this is the best I've seen so far so thank you.
My favorite interview so far, I’m glad I have started following your channel!
Nice conversation. I like that they gave Zomlot so much time and patience but I still find it thought-provoking to compare the level of attention given to detailed, emotional descriptions of the events involving the Israeli concert-goers with the minimal almost distant descriptions from the hosts of the bombings affecting Palestinian hospitals, homes, and children. I believe that every life is valuable, and my empathy extends to both Israeli and Palestinian children. It's disheartening to see the stark difference in coverage, especially when considering that the number of Palestinians affected has doubled, which intensifies my concern about the prevailing apathy.
Bombs are quite impersonal and numbers aren't very moving emotionally, that's why. Then there's the shock of ordinary people on an ordinary day getting killed unexpectedly. After this happened, the Israeli response was expected, so wasn't as shocking. Then there's the desensitisation that comes from the fact that the Israeli bombs are a retaliation for Hamas' attack. While the victims are ordinary Palestinians who had nothing to do with it, human nature pushes us into an "us vs them" where we can avoid empathy because it was people on "their side" getting killed.
What a beautiful soul, so passionate, warm, yet, always so articulate, composed reasoned, and particularly assertive. I call for him to become the president of the Palestinians. So proud of you Ambassador Husam Zomlot
A brilliant brilliant interview - congratulations to all three of you, Thank you very much for this.. Finally an intelligent thoughtful and non sensationalist interview which is educational and generates the right type of thought. The situation between Israel and Palestine is very complex and has become so over so many years due to the lack of a fair and decent political solution and being properly implemented. What has happened since October 7th and and on the run up to then is something I liken to a pressure cooker .. and it finally exploded when all could not be contained any more. Horribly sad situation full of pain and grief all round .. Hopefully this horrifying episode will finally give birth to a final and lasting political solution that is fair, balanced, honest and put properly in place.
We also arent hearing much talks on the aspects of the GAS AND OIL FORTUNES sitting right under the Gaza strip.
And this would put the focus back on why were the Jews of ww2 European shtetls and much more resembled what the Palestinians character are, religious more, and family ,and not in this modern generation of Israelis who didnt before exist as such, but the US and UN monopoly mob weaponized globalists powers, speaking of Ukraine, and JOE BIDEN straight up THE CLUB OF ROME! UN luciferians church founded ,San Francisco is their first charter, NYC their World HQ. Yeah so why not accept the Jewish refugees then but place them in Palestine , what is up with Netanyaha i n gas oil Gaza!?
Why this human rights issue not seeming to be easily reconciled with the US constitution and pluralistic values a nd the laws,treaties and apartheid / war crimes, human rights abuses, annexxations, idf brutalities, now exposed in several recent documentaries by former idfs Israelis who feel guilty are making confessions in detailed accounts in films. That movement is long come. Hard for them to do in Israeli political government climates! They have sharply dangerous divisions and suffer similar of other world order UN transformed country, sovereignty republic independances are battling within each like this. Its very troubling! They want to take away all our human rights AGENDAS 2030 ETC. SO HOW ARE WE TO GET THE WORLD TO APPROPRIATELY TREAT PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS AND LEADERS AS ACCORDINGLY TO THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS THAT OUGHT TO MATCH NEARLY TO ALL CONSTITUTIONS OR HUMAN RIGHTS EQUALLY . OTHERWISE IF NOT THEN IT MEANS THERE IS INDICATIONS OF CORRUPTION, EXTORTIONS, INSURRECTIONS, COUP DES TAS HAPOENING. HOW ELSE CAN IT BE RECONCILED!❤
Thank you for creating space and allowing time, commodities in such short supply and for illustrating the interviewer art of keeping quiet and letting someone speak.
Keep up the great work! I thank you guys from bottom of my heart for making these interviews as objectively as possible. I listened to Mr. Harari's interview, that was great too. Such unbaised approach and try to understand the root cause really opens the door for genuine political solutions, something most mainstream media needs to learn.
Thank you for providing a truly objective "long form" interview platform, which, even for a tired and emotionally involved participant , allows the public to understand more the depth of the issues. It used to be the BBC that one could turn to for non-partisan coverage of issues. That is becoming increasingly difficult in the days of the bite sized,
"breaking" presentations they provide. Well done guys.
First time watching. Really enjoyed the discussion, very informative. The calm tone in a very difficult topic, brilliant.