Engineer Reacts to Tesla Fails
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We asked a real programmer involved with AI-driving to react to autonomous driving fails, to learn what these self driving Teslas are doing wrong.
Huge thanks to our expert, Daniel!
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"If i could just be in the backseat on my laptop and not have to worry about traffic on the 408 that'd be great" My brother in christ, that is the description of public transporation, not self driving cars
Yep, people iare only focusing on how to make trafic jams less boring and not on the only way to actually avoid them, good public transport
@@123Perillo Good public transport is not realistic in very large countries with a vast amount of space between destinations. Only urban centers can realistically set up public transportation. It's simply too logistically demanding to establish a nationwide public transport system, and more importantly, nobody is willing to spend money on something that doesn't benefit the upper class, that would be self defeating as a 1%er.
Unfortunately public transport literally won’t happen in some places. I live in a very rural area. No public transport will ever be out here.
@@bubbleman2002Yes. And urban centers are where the most traffic is...
@@bubbleman2002
Public transportation is for the urban centers, you can get an uber, lyft. If you live in a small town, that's why trolleys or buses are great.
Y’all missed a golden opportunity for Sandro to be a guest expert 😂
Sandro: "Yeah I just type into the laptop when it's hooked up to the car you know? 'Don't hit anything and be chill.' After that the car drives itself just fine. Unless a plastic bag covers one of the cameras then it's not chill at all."
@@Hybris51129 For the boys
@@Hybris51129 I could hear him say that
Sandro for president
sandro moonlights as an AI engineer
Just as a note, there is not a truck driver shortage. There is a problem with low pay causing serious turnover. Companies that pay decent have much less turnover and much less trouble finding drivers. Pay has been stagnant for years now and with ELD requirements, drivers can't work extra to compensate for low pay. The solution is not self driving trucks but to do away with pay per mile (truckers do NOT have a minimum wage and are not required to be paid hourly by federal law, some states like California have different requirements). Autonomous trucks are being pursued in order to reduce driver pay even further rather than deal with pay that has not kept up with inflation.
Also, there's this funny super truck that America has been sleeping on. It is 4x more fuel efficient, and much more durable whilst minimizing road wear. It's called a Train, and we moronically abandoned the fantastic invention that built this country in the first place.
There is no shortage of labor in any field. It's always a pay problem. The UK is complaining about a shortage of health care workers, but they pay starting doctors in London 25k pounds per year. You can make more than that working fast food in California.
@@Awsomenim UPS has woken up to using trains as much as possible lately.
It's more about the fact that everywhere people are putting yes men and unskilled people in place of those with skills.
Like my A&p buddy got fired for being too slow and the next day the new guy did an oil change and left the filter off, causing the 172 to pump out 7 quarts of oil on startup.
He might have been a little slower but it wouldn't have cost $150,000 can you replace an entire brand new engine!😂
Last week my trucker buddy just got involved in a stationary wreck. Sports car hit him at 75 mph fully loaded(he couldn't even feel it in the cab!) in park.
Sliced the roof off of the sedan he was trying to overtake and splattered himself everywhere.
Just the pictures my buddy sent me were terrifying!
The story behind the semi was. The day before when testing the semi they were coming up to a left turn, but turned the system off before they made that turn. The next day they started driving and didn't reset the system before they turned it on. So when they turned it on it still had commands from the day before and that is why it made a left hand turn. And yes, the investors pulled their momey and the company is now out of business.
And it was all like HONK HONK 10-4 good buddy I'm putting the hammer down! I got my 10 in the wind and I ain't going back thar. I'm just trying to keep muh shiny side up and muh dirty side down! But I'm havin' to run a double nickel cause they all these spies in the skies and bears in the air. I saw a spanish guy doing the Bartman!
Thats called a fail... a built broken system... guaranteed deadly soon... not later...
Sooo....the truck wasn't self driving, it was programmed like a Lego mindstorm? It's a minor miracle they shut down.
Yes the truck was self driving. It was in the testing stages.
Now that's funny !@@HerecomestheCalavera
God, I hate the Tesla camera-only argument “if we only use eyes, the car should too.” It’s clearly a cop out so Tesla can cheap out and not supplement with lidar and make the fsd way better. Its obviously all about cost cutting
It's just disingenuous to think that a computer processes information the same way a human does. I'm sure eventually, given the advancements with large language models that a computer will think similarly to a human at some point, but it will still be a distinctly different way of thinking. If a computer cannot think the same way a human can, it needs more information to make informed decisions than just basic sight. Having objective numbers for distances from obstacles and other road users is way better than a set of cameras with an AI model that guesses how far away the object is, which can very easily be fooled by poor weather or bright lights. Elon Musk is a businessman, not an inventor, and it shows.
Thank you for pointing this out lol it’d be funny if it wasn’t so stupid
Yeah. Of course it is. Cuz the whole original goal was to get EVs cheaper, not more expensive. ???
@@bubbleman2002 Besides, we do not 'only use our eyeballs' to recognise things in the road.
@@FRMmega Do you use your penis to smell the cars near you or something? Are you going to pretend like modern cars let you hear anything inside of them when they have triple paned glass and 800lbs of sound deadening?
its almost like solid public transportation would solve all the issues self driving cars are trying to fix except way less dangerous and way less expensive
Yup, almost
Yeah but rich people don't profit from public transport.
public transportation will never take off cause human are selfish by nature and we won't compromise our convenience and freedom for the greater good. It's not happening, ever. Same reason we won't save the environment
What if... we made a very large autonomous vehicle. Where multiple people could ride it all at once. And the vehicle's programmed to stop at particular locations that allows many riders to move across towns and cities. But then, to keep costs down, we strip the cameras and computers, and just use a human driver.
We could call it... Oh, jeez... Bu....ssss?
It absolutely would but silicon valley is full of dork ass losers who think self driving cars are the future
11:45 lets take platooning to the next level and link them trucks together, we can make a big long chain and then while we're at it let's make dedicated tracks for them to run on, oh wait that's a TRAIN
Seems like we already have that.
I read that in Adam Something's voice :D
What is the point you’re making?
Can't have tracks running to every grocery store and Walmart.
@@slateslavens everything are just worse trains
That's why Tesla got sued in Germany for NOT being self-driving aka false advertising.
A guy that works on AI Self-driving cars wearing a shirt that says "Hit &Run Crew" is certainly a choice... :D
Came here to say this
Hi, that was me. I 100% did it on purpose because I thought it was funny. H+R luckily is not a car club or anything 🙃
@@Le-Samourai It does say LA and there are lots of "Street take overs" there, so it's probably an unofficial club!
A bad choice but sure. It is in poor taste and reflects a lack of awareness on the part of the mad scientists putting cruise missiles on the road.
That self-driving BMW didn't malfunction. That's just how they are parked. It probably doesn't use blinkers, either.
I was thinking the same thing "oh that's just normal BMWs"
I mean, he called it - "They probably trained it using data from other BMW drivers"
BMW AI is really A-hole Intelligence.
Yeah I saw nothing wrong- it parked just like a typical BMW driver 😂
like he said, the parking assist was created by studying the parking habits of regular BMWs
This is absolutely crazy. Daniel looks and sounds just like a real human expert.
I can assure you my intelligence is very artificial
So it begins ...
It's soo realistic, he almost has intuition!
He's not much of an expert. He doesn't know how Toyota lane following works and he has "never thought of" flooded roads. He's just a dumb tech bro looting dumber VC money.
There is no truck driver shortage. As a driver in this industry, the shortage is a lie.
This. The only companies whining about the shortage are low-paying companies with high turnover because people don't like working for them. I was one of the 20k+ Yellow drivers who lost their job last year, and there were a lot of us who couldn't find good jobs.
There are HGV driver shortage, it is not in long distance cargo deliveries, its on local level, jobs that dont pay so much, garbage drivers, inner city delivery, plow vehicles a.s.o
I consider myself a tech-forward person, I love new tech and the things it can do. Self-Driving cars DO NOT need to happen, all they're going to do is get people killed.
Distracted driving is a big enough problem with cellphones and info-tainment systems, how much worse is it gonna get worse when you have no incentive to pay attention?
The biggest issue I have with self driving systems is only the heaviest and most popular vehicles have them. This means that instead of someone rear ending you in a Toyota Corolla, you'll get rear ended by Stacy on her phone in a Chevrolet Suburban, and probably die because of how obnoxiously FAT American SUVs are. There needs to be legislation made to regulate and gradually introduce self driving technology into cars, starting with the smallest and lightest ones, so that way if it fucks up, only the person who wasn't paying enough attention to notice the car was going to be in an accident ends up dead, and not grandma in her 2008 Camry on her way to her grandchildren's birthday party.
If the Car makers are right. Self driving will save lives.
Elon has already given out of how many miles Tesla has driven under AI, and the percentage of accidents is lower against the same amount of human driven miles.
Me? Maybe ten years we can get to where they are good enough. As long as the amount of crashes is lower I am fine with it.
My issue with Tesla is them getting rid of radar. Like what?! Radar is amazing for seeing things humans can't see. Through fog. What is beyond the obstacle in front of you.
I think VW has the best self driving system by the way.
Also remember we have no 100% self driving vehicles. There should always be a driver ready to take over in a moment.
@@dianapennepacker6854 the "self driving will save lives" is a lie they made up to get investors and loosen regulations. Tesla specifically is known to shut down self driving moments before impact so that it wasn't technically the AI that crashed, but we know it was
Public transportation was always the answer to move from point A to point B
Um.... think about what you said. We had over 42k auto deaths in 2021, distracted driving is a big problem as you said, which lead to many of those deaths. A true self driving car would eliminate all those distracted drives killing people.
The thing that scares me about self driving cars isn’t the engineers, it’s the people in charge of the companies that do this that have no understanding of the technical challenges and only see it as a feature to sell vehicles.
As soon as the price of lawsuits drops below the income the feature generates, they’ll be rolling them out, whether they’re ready or not.
It's all gimmicks. Not to mention it's how the left thinks, they believe people are incapable of thinking for themselves. All this tech is making people dumber. There was a study that showed using GPS instead of memory can lead to memory issues as we get older. I have never been good with directions, but using GPS has made it even worse for me. At 42 now, I feel I need GPS more often than not.
that can be applied now, to literally everything sooooo........ you are constantly paralyzed by fear daily, right? or is your fear specific?
Ya exactly like it already works. Thats why there need to be laws and regulations to keep companies in check. This backwards thinking is why they are able to constantly take advantage of consumers now.
I believe they are not liable because they literally say their self driving mode is in testmodus and you always have to be alert and ready to take over
@@chaoswraith What are you trying to accomplish here? Op has a very reasonable concern and clearly you agree.
Obviously no one is paralyzed by fear. We are all used to this situation like frogs in a bucket. Just because a problem is common doesn't mean it can't be addressed.
I totally agree! We should all get to nap on the way to work.
What if we invented a service where you could nap while traveling? You could even share it with coworkers headed in the same direction. Since automation isn't ready, we could call it the Blockchain Unautomated Shuttle or B.U.S for short.
We can also create a companion system I like to call "Travelling Restfully Along Interconnected Networks"
Sorry but, I'll pass on riding on a shitty bus and taking 2 hours to get to work instead of 1.
@@bartcrestbreaker1 found the american
Imagine, a city that invests in public infrastructure, so the bus isn't shitty and connects with, for example, light rail or a subway so it *doesn't* take two hours. Good public transit would also mean fewer cars on the road as people who either don't enjoy driving or can only marginally afford a car use transit instead, improving traffic flow!
@@joten70 we aren't all idiots, but that guy does make it seem widespread
I'm just so glad all of these companies get to test out their new tech on public roads with no way for any of us to opt out of their experiments or profit off of their eventual success.
Seems super fair.
They do this all the time in 3rd/second world countries, but they can't do that with these cars so they have to do it in fully developed countries.
Socialize the costs, privatize the profits!
@@lyinarbaeldeth2456 The capitalist/liberalist way.
...what? roads are public, what are you implying? they test it only in private parking lots? build a private freeway to test them on?
@chaoswraith yep, or a private model city.
You know when life-saving drugs are developed and tested we are obligated to proof them on INFORMED VOLUNTEERS AND COMPENSATE THOSE PEOPLE FOR THEIR INVOLVEMENT.
However when it's time for development of experimental luxury heavy machinery, all of a sudden you can use real city without even informing ppl about your "development stage"
I mean… the Volvo DID stop.
Just not by itself
The brake assist kicked in.
Like when I lived on a busy road.
At drunk driver O'clock I would often boom, screech....
As the drunks usually would slam on the brakes just after hitting something or someone and the "boom" usually included the sound of a pressurized cooling system failing...
man, on reality the truck was the brake assist, nobody understand nothing haha
Years and years ago, Top Gear had a clip in the news section of a Volvo or Mercedes press event. They were showing off the then new self braking system by driving a car through thick smoke with another car parked there. It would "see" it through the smoke and brake.
It, very publicly, didn't work.
Good on them for developing it though. Those systems are pretty great nowadays.
Remote brake assist technology.
I like how donut provides a bar across the bottom during the commercial that progresses as the ad progresses. Really lets me mash through that crap to get to the video more accurately. I appreciate that!
what about massively improved and free public transit using AI to help plan out routes and timetables? that'd probably help more for traffic than turning your car into a taxi :P
public transit? what are you some kinda commie? I get it, public transport would help a lot, but that requires government interest, not a self driving taxi corporation...
Govt needs you to spend your money new cars every 5 years, so it wont happen
Even AI traffic lights to make flow patterns more efficient would improve congestion massively
@@CORV3TT33 What is it with Americans associating public transit with communism 👁👄👁
Other than privacy and being able to go wherever you want exactly whenever you want, public transit is objectively better. And if places with bad public transit could get it as good as places like Japan, then you would pretty much be able to go where you want when you want and you don't even have to do as much work, just sitting on a bus or train. No driving, less effort required.
@@yourlocalidiot69420 Ah, it's called sarcasm, public transport is good, I don't care what political viewpoints prefer it, I am a car guy, but even I know, other options would benefit people way more
The Expert - "The tough thing that engineers have to figure out is how do we negotiate really tricky situations safely"
The situation - (T-intersection)
Came here to see if sandro was here, his reaction would be priceless 😂
def agree hes my fav
At this point, they're going to bring Sandro to react on something random for April Fools 😂😂
“I don’t trust those f****n robots man”
At this point, he could say he managed to fix the Ai of an autonomous car that was going all Skynet with a spanner and can of bud light, and I would still believe him.
So boring without him
I like watching tech companies try to reinvent the idea of a train. "Man if I can just sit in the back seat and avoid traffic. Save the miles on my car for fun driving." Bro, it's call public transportation. Ride a well maintained bus or train and see how much easier it is.
Right on mate 👌 in australia we had transport company try to put 6 40ft containers on 3 trailera pulled by one prime mover.... almost like they forgot trains excist 😂
I have a train parked outside my house that takes me to my office and parks and waits for me, for only the cost of the ride which is a couple dollars; it’s fantastic, I recommend everyone have the gov’t pay to have one installed to connect their house to their office.
It takes a couple days to dig up all the tracks and reinstall them when I move or switch companies, but they are getting better on reducing that down time.
have you ever lived in a rural area?
Ah yes, the infamous rural traffic jams. We always hear about huge traffic delays on the i-405 in the heart of farm country.@@Australiaisupsidedown
@@Australiaisupsidedown How many office jobs and commuter traffic is there in rural areas?
One key downfall of self driving cars is their inability to communicate with other drivers and self drivers. Outside of basic things like turn signals, of course. But when you have a situation like a traffic jam, humans can verbally or signally yield to other drivers. Giving this ability to autonomous vehicles would be a huge undertaking.
In the case of the two here in the intersection both partially committed to turning down the same street, it would be pretty simple.
A quick handshake so they both know they’re going to solve the problem together by sharing data. They find out that the delay is only caused by the two of them and not some other object. They pick one to wait and one to go.
Of course they could consider other factors if they went deeper into other data but in this case, it was essentially just the two of them stuck in a loop of waving eachother on by waiting, while incapable of acknowledging and taking the lead.
This is why autonomous dirigibles should replace semis. In that environment you do know where all the other traffic is. Nobody in Congress is going to commit political s*icide by introducing a bill to require transponders in all vehicles, regardless of age, as well as for every pedestrian and cyclist to carry a tracking device. And that's the only way autonomous cars could work the way they intend.
10:31 Try using something called a "train". I heard those quicky people in Europe and Japan use the thing regularly with great success
They'd rather spend 100 trillion on self driving cars than spend a fraction of that on a modern rail network. Why take the sensible route when you can just make everything overcomplicated and dangerous?
not to mention cost effective. The US has one of the greatest cargo rail networks in the world, if it were maintained a bit better and had sidings that went into passenger depots, passenger trains would be a great inter-city alternative to air travel. Slower, sure, but definitely cheaper.
The Volvo video is like 10 or more years old they where testing automatic brakes on a prototype but they have forgotten to turn on that system so technically nothing wrong with that
Yeah, I've also heard that someone put it on, but the driver thought it was off and put it "on" unknowingly turning it off.
Thanks was gonna comment that!
somehow that’s worse than it just not working.
As a San Franciscan, the autonomous cars can go die in a hole. They've made EMTs' and firefighters' jobs so much harder for no reason. Public transit is the solution in cities--not expensive and dangerous "self-driving" cars.
Maybe...but public transit is one of those "available to all" government funded public services, and those are a lot like that super evil, scary socialism stuff that all the good little Republican children learn to avoid like the plague... Today it's public transit, tomorrow doctors and janitors are getting paid the same cause everybody is equal, then it's all just China all over again or something....
public transit include buses, which still need to be self-driving
@@a-don13 Why do busses _need_ to be self driving?
Cruise vehicles should be able to identify each other and communicate to negotiate jams like this.
@@averyw.3939 that is the entire point of this, we're not making self driving vehicles for fun its to eliminate the flawed human aspect of it. A machine that doesn't get tired, doesn't lose focus, doesn't stop, doesn't have mood swings, and doesn't slip up
"I want to be able to take a nap on the way to work."
*leans in close to the mic* Bus.
I dunno if it's a matter of being "tech-forward" or not, my dude. I think it's more a matter of tech-bros getting so concerned with whether or not they _can_ do a thing that they never stop to wonder whether or not they _should_ do it, and that lack of foresight combined with malefactors in the space abusing the tech is what gets people to want to slow down on the tech development until we've had a chance to work out if it's a good idea or not before continuing down a particular path of technological development.
lets be real, human are lazy, and a little stupid from definition, at the moment we get a little shortcut to something we forget all the safety and standards of the roads, we complain a lot of what to expect of a machine but, 1 point that at this day is very conffusing to me, the machine is 24/7 learning with every ride experience, is learning from the as.... that is crossing 4 lanes on 1 second, and the guy that don't use his blinker?, we expect perfection when we're a menace on the road too... when the cars will developed to a full auto-pilot experience, we're going to complain that he's respecting the road limits, because everyone goes on speed excess... and that will go and on
Well said. Is a convenience worth putting hundreds of millions of people out of work? Not all technology is used for good... see: Wuhan.
True. But you didn't say it in the Malcolm voice.
I've been dreaming about AI and autonomous vehicles since I was a kid. But I'm also not going to pretend like the tech is ready when it isn't.
Cop was going full iRobot lol "I don't trust this AI."
This isn't a self-driving fail, but related to the Volvo auto brake failure. I love the old segment from early 2000s Top Gear where Mercedes is testing the radar safety system on their S-class. They confidently drove it into a bank of fog and immediately crashed it because the radar failed to detect the obstruction and brake in time. Its still very funny to watch.
Both my 2022 honda accord and 2023 hyunda elantra have this same issue, if they are using cruise to follow someone on the highway or a road they are fine, BUT if they encounter someone stopped at a red light, they will crash into the car if you don't break.
Self-braking is the early stage of self-driving. You're absolutely right that it's distinctively different but fundamentally it's the same technology just applied to a single control.
The aforementioned clip: czcams.com/video/4WzwyjyFOwU/video.html
Didn't Jeremy clarify that the reason it didn't work was because the driver forgot to turn on the system when he got in the car to do the test? I'm all for bashing bad engineering, but it sounds like it was just a human mistake that caused that, not a failure of the system to work.
IDK how Musk thinks they're gonna make FSD happen with cameras only. There are many situations where they will become virtually useless. Fog is but one. AI is nowhere near mastering sparsity which is how human drivers drive a car. I'd say they are throwing too much information at these primitive systems and expecting too much. No wonder AI hallucination is a thing. It is like trying to ask a toddler to drive a car.
8:50 This is a really good example of a big failing of self driving cars right now. They don't communicate. As more of them are driving around it's going to get more and more important for them to be able to tell each other what they want to do to avoid soft-gridlocks like this.
Pretty ballsy for Bubaru to sponsor the video
The number of times my buddy has sent videos of automatic braking failures on semi trucks tests makes me think we’re a long ways away from driverless cars
I don't like the new electric brakes, parking or normal. An emergency brake should be mechanical, as in an emergency situation such as losing engine power, electricity. It'd be nice to stop without being "locked out" from pulling the brake
@@omgitswywyhonestly, I think the E-brake should always be separate from the primary break system whether that be mechanical, electric, or hydraulic. One of my cars sprung a leak in its brake line; I quickly lost all my brake fluid and all my brakes.
We've been "A year away from driverless self driving cars" for the last 10 years at least.
We are still a long way away from getting them marginally safe enough to say that "We have the technology"
@@WredFawks it’s like the nuclear fusion of cars lol
@@WredFawks it’s a lot like fusion reactors.
Ah, to live in a world of artificial stars.
We are leaving too much to chance. The ones who do not like auto-driving are not necessarily the ones who are less tech savvy but also, for me atleast, the ones who have been around tech long enough to know that NOTHING is malfunction proof. That semi would have had a serious chance of killing someone had anyone been there.
Exactly, Microsoft Windows has been around for 38 years and it still malfunctions. I'm not against autonomous cars, but I feel there should always be someone at the wheel to override the system for at least another 10 years.
This only makes sense if we didn't already have over 40,000 roadside deaths each year in the US alone. Even if self-driving cars kill 10,000 people (there has only been about a dozen fatalities to date), that's still a 75% decrease. Go watch a driving fails compilation and tell me you'd rather share the road with these people than an AI.
@GameOn0827 The number of people out there driving cars vs self-driving cars is so much more substantial, that's why you get those numbers. Until self driving cars are everywhere and in much higher numbers, I refuse any statistics that claim their crash probability.
@@GameOn0827 There is something ironic that the ultimate goal of self driving car enthusiasts is to use their travel time "productively" to get things done, or take a nap, when the initial argument was about safety. Let's say the technology improves and it's now really safe, it would still be safer to pay attention to the road on top of the car's safety features and not take naps or waste time on your phone, right? At this moment, there is nothing that can prove there would be less deaths if more cars were "self-driving", the samples are too small to compare it to anything. It's still illegal to not pay attention at all to the road, it could change if everybody take naps in their cars.
dude called it being "tech forward", i just call it being irresponsible. especially the way these driver assists are marketed. "full self driving" while there are numerous videos of teslas driving full speed without occupants straight through barriers, cones, child-like dummies, etc. companies marketing these glorified lane keep assists as anything but should be taken to court
Now I want Sandro to explain how to make all of these "better".
7:49 is the most adorable street takeover I've ever seen
Messing with your laptop on the way to work? Public transit has you covered today!
As someone who has spent years driving semis, i would much rather trust another human than a computer at the controls of 80,000 pounds of rolling steel
Here's the thing, he's an engineer who believes in his technology. The problem is he should know Murphy's law. Self-driving semis will never happen because of the simple facts that, during the investigation of a fault that possibly kills someone all trucks using that program get shut down, and the ntsb always wants to be able to point at someone to blame.
They have it for airplanes and oil tankers. I'll give it 10 years.
They are developing a thing called platooning AI for Tractor Trailers for UPS and Fed-Ex. Which makes to so you can get in a convoy and have AI take over the 2nd and so on Tractor can draft for better fuel consumption.
@@bigalan3145 Human drivers killed 42k in 2021 in the U.S. Murphy's law can and will happen, but I think it can do much less then 42k deaths a year. Ultimately an autonomous car would be like a very good driver that is never distracted or tired.
😂😂 I don't trust humans AT ALL!
As a second thing which I'm going to mention separately from my first comment, we do not have a shortage of truck drivers. What actually happened is truck drivers increased a absolute fuckton during covid and still remain here today however the amount of shipping has increased ten times faster because of covid. The amount of shipping and receiving buildings built by many different companies that have been erected over the last 5 years has been astonishing.
The other reason why I say that there are more than enough truck drivers is because even though the company I work for is fairly good size though not one of the mega carriers like Swift or prime, we have actually had trouble finding loads for every one of our drivers including me. There have been weeks where I'm lucky if I get maybe three or four loads that are close by or if I'm super lucky I can get one long load from like Florida to Washington state which takes upwards of 5 days.
The amount of loads I can get in a week has increased a little bit but not to the point that I would say that there is still enough to go around for every single driver.
So as a truck driver I call bullshit that we do not have enough drivers and on top of that we actually have so many drivers there's not enough parking spots for all the drivers on the road today at truck stops.
I"m actually really glad you guys got ads on these now. We've done it! We've made this channel popular enough to be sustainable!
That guy definitely worked for tesla. His body language and eye movements when speaking on tesla an demeanor of his voice make me believe that's who made him sign an NDA.
They have his children...
100 percent does not. If you know anything about Tesla summon you can tell. He probably works for a Trucking AI company. If I had to guess the same one I worked for.
@tannerbaer aren't nda's so fun? I love mine. I also REALLY love arbitrary agreements. Man who doesn't love a company who refuses medical accountability? *cry screams*
Whichever it is, it is definitely not BMW.
Hi, it's me. You're all wrong. But it's okay, so are most people commenting on the internet.
Self-driving works in exactly the same way as a legally-blind senior on the road in their '70s Buick works. Every other driver takes avoiding action, makes space and compensates for the actions of the bad driver in their midst. So as long as it's only 1 vehicle out of many it "works" but as soon as you put a few of them together they all freeze up.
This guy wants to "live the dream" of sitting in his back seat in traffic while working on his laptop. I already do that every day, I just skip commuting to the office and I work from home. Countries need to pass a labor law that states that if you do 90% of your work on a computer or on the phone that you must be given a work from home option by your employer.
People the world over avoid the hassle of driving even if they can't work from home, simply by using things like buses, and trains, or even their own feet if they're not going too far. I don't get the need for cars that drive themselves
For autonomous trucks: couldn't you just link a bunch together for aerodynamic efficiency? And since there's so much efficiency loss in pneumatic tires you could make the wheels out of steel and then make them drive on steel roads?
Trains are great, but new train lines are expensive, and you're always going to need trucks for final mile delivery.
@@KarlEller Final delivery yes, but driven hundred of miles across the states on a truck makes very little sense. Trains are the answer for sooo many problems, but hey, lets build a tube underground for cars to drive in. SMH
Just don't call it a train - that name is already taken🤣
Sorry, autonomous freight dirigibles were the correct answer.
Volvos own boss got ran over by his own tech , I was in stitches 😂
I had a tesla as a rental car for a week during a business trip. The self driving always wanted to aim for curbs and would change at the very last minute. I'd much rather have the compact car over a tesla at that point. Definetly should have gone for the challenger offer, but couldn't pass up the chance to have a tesla for a week. I liked my twin turbo flat 6 far more when I finally got home. Driving is an experience, not a chore.
Not to mention the cheap materials, panel gaps, sub par audio system, lack of noise (personal preference), and just no pride driving one. It's like owning a civic and talking about V-Tec to everyone.
At least with the civic you (probably) have an actual internal combustion engine.
you should try the new model 3 then. upgraded on all fronts
Who did you rent that from? Because I'm surprised that the self-driving would be available on a rental Tesla. I thought we turned it off. But yes, you would have liked the Challenger more. Teslas are an interesting novelty driving experience, but they are cheaply made and have fit and finish problems.
@@annehaight9963 it wasnt available hes referring to the autopilot. most people dont know the difference and just have a general lack of understanding about teslas because there is no advertising. and even though we have a wealth of knowledge in everyones pocket americans in particular are very incurious and unwilling to learn. so what people know and learn is stuff like you parroted that you heard someone else say before with no real personal knowledge about "cheaply made and have fit and finish problems".
@@WarriorPaxo I literally work with Teslas as part of my job. I've driven them. I've cleaned many. And I've seen how well they hold up after a couple of years. My opinion of them is not parroted. It is firsthand experience.
I absolutely love writing $15K-35K collision estimates for all the new EV cars. Whether they fix or not, my shop’s banking on at LEAST $4K storage and power-down procedures. Thank you, Elon!
You are the first case I can see of benefiting from the rush and hack job Elon is asking folks to buy into, when he's not back tracking and keeping their money anyways.
Who pays that $4k? Insurance? If so, have at it lol
@@dhag72 After a fashion. Tesla cars specifically are literally twice as expensive to insure, so it can be argued that Tesla owners are paying it, but considering that if you sneeze on one it'll cause damage resulting in a $9,000 repair, I think it's fair that insurance is more expensive.
And all you haters out there can cool your jets. I own and love my Tesla Model X. Just for the love of everything do NOT get in a collision unless you like paying deductibles, because I don't think I've ever heard of damage to a Tesla being priced at under a deductible.
@@bvoyelr And don't have any parts fail without a collision, either, because Tesla will make up some nonsense to claim it's your fault, even if the car rolled off the lot less than 24 hours ago.
@@lyinarbaeldeth2456 Tesla blamed their collapsing struts and steering failures on driver behavior, not on the fact that their suspension and their steering mechanism failed due to manufacturing defects
I rented a ford last year with lane keeping. It did ok and pulled me back into the centre of the inside lane where I was but then immediately ignored all the road markings and crossed 3 lanes (did this at night, no other cars about and yes I was testing it and ready to take control) I prefer the old system of hands, eyes and awareness.
At 2:41 whoever put the brilliance notes in sequence with ultrasonic, lidar, radar and cameras is attention to detail and editing master in my eyes. Big props.
7:50 What happened here is that there was a street party and everyone was using the Wifi. It didn't leave enough local bandwidth for the cars to talk to each other and the whole system collapsed pretty fast. Pretty unsurprisingly, the company that ran those cars tried to blame the people at the party for using too much wifi. You know how a good self driving system in a city is designed to fail when it's near too many people? In a city? Just good design, right there.
Edit: czcams.com/video/pmGOjHi-7MM/video.html Skip to 30:28 for proof via tweet from the company that runs the cars.
Nah, the airbags on the car on the right are blown at 8:23, there's been an accident of some kind and now the intersection is blocked.
Lmao the company blaming people off the road for how there cars drive on the road is such a stretch. If the car needs wifi to drive properly thats 100% an engineering failure.
Pretty sure the cars would be using their own wifi and not the local one.
@annehaight9963 where do you think in car wifi comes from? Its all shared on the same local bandwidth that people not on the road are using.
@@tmilker I'm just going off a video that mentioned a local news report about the incident. Maybe there was an accident and the driverless cars siezed due to lack of wifi trying to navigate around it. Or maybe the crash happened after because the road is full of cars. Also, are you sure that's an airbag? It seems to disappear in the bottom right corner of the side window. Maybe the window has misted up?
Edit: czcams.com/video/pmGOjHi-7MM/video.html Skip to 30:28 for proof via tweet from the company that runs the cars.
13:00 in, I have to disagree... that car beeped to tell the driver it was going to disengage if he didn't touch the wheel, and then it called his bluff and just turned off the lane keeping system. It was allowing to the car to go wherever the wheels and outside forces (bumps, crown etc) were sending it. If the road had curved to the right the car would have continued strait, crossing into the left lane instead of going toward the shoulder and the wall.
yes exactly this.. have the same system on my Kia, and it just times out and disengages
Exactly this. And for those who don't know, roads are actually built with a slight incline towards the center of the road. I believe it's to prevent road flooding and also prevents unattended cars from veering into traffic, causing them to veer off the road itself.
I don't think the toyota was going for the shoulder, I think it was following the shadow on the ground, got confused and started alerting the driver to take back over.
He has to work for toyota because this is the only car he seemingly tried to make excuses for lol
Nah. That's how these systems work for all major manufacturers, outside of actual "self-driving" systems. Nothing special for Toyota. It is lane-keep *assist*, not even remotely touted as self-driving. Once it can't figure out the situation, it disengages and requires the operator to step in. You are never meant to take your hands off the wheel. Hell, my car had "lane keeping warning" on the sticker, but you could turn physical assistance on in the options. This complete ignorance is no doubt why.
I am baffled by how somebody working on this stuff didn't recognize that. The "driver" literally said it.
9:40 The 'Week of Cone' was an idea dreamed up, funnily enough, after a week of cones.
I regularly drive through a roundabout that is being converted to a traffic light controlled intersection. It has been different most every time I’ve driven through it in the last six months. Currently they have dug up the roundabout and traffic islands and it’s just a bunch of traffic cones still working as a roundabout. I don’t think self driving cars will ever cope with something like that
14:45 bmw really knows their drivers, that truly is the bmw style parking
I used to work on some of those waymo cars! Jaguar makes proprietary parts for the waymo i-paces and there was a huge problem with the A/C lines above the battery, they come through my shop all the time. They're really secretive about their project and remove some of the stuff before we get to work on it like the front camera and the computer in the trunk . They ask to cover windows and only one person to drive the i-pace. They also have a chrysler t&c car with the same treatment
Sounds like how they used to work on the SR-71 Blackbird lol.
Those Waymos are fascinating. The programming is top notch - they're very aggressive with acceleration and lane changes, not sheepish and nervous like you'd expect a self driving car to be. They did a nice job with them, and I do utilize their service to get to and from the airport pretty often.
@d47000 Interesting, I have never experienced or talked to one of the customers of that service. Is it actually a seamless experience? Do you ever get taken out of your moment of peace by the cars behavior or are unsure of what the car is trying to do? I've only seen it driven by the engineers or self driving under supervision through traffic, I've seen a driverless I-Pace maybe twice in traffic of San Francisco
@@WobbleJetpack I've only used the service five or six times now, but I've never felt on edge about anything it does. I was a bit nervous for the first few moments of my first ride, but it was readily apparent that it does a better job at driving than most people in the area (Phoenix). The way it's programmed, if I didn't know better, I'd assume the car was being piloted by a confident, safe human driver.
What blew me away most was when I was at a hotel, and a Waymo car was able to navigate through a tight circular drive packed with cars waiting for the valet. A decade ago, I never thought that I'd share the road with self driving cars in my lifetime, let alone ride in the back of one. We're really living in the future.
Watching this guy uncomfortably tiptoe around answers is hilarious 😂
It's still amazing to see how far self-driving cars have come since the first one. It was a van capable of driving itself around a small ovular track using only pictures from the camera to correct itself, made back in like the '60s or so. It took about a minute to process the image and move the car about a foot or so, and over an hour to get around the track.
0:55 Tesla's approach is absolutely stupid, why shouldn't they take advantage of Radar, Lidar, sensors and other stuff? Besides, we can hear and feel things while we drive, we don't just use our eyes for everything.
I have to think at least some of the reason for the high accident rate of Teslas is overreliance on and over-trust of the vehicle to drive properly. A car cannot see cause and effect the way a human can. That and the fact that in using those systems, the person is not in the moment, planning ahead, making a situation leading to an accident that much worse. It's a false sense of safety.
I don't even have a car like that, but what I do have has cross-traffic alert and I would have been hit the other day if I hadn't been keeping track of the fact that a guy two spaces over got in his car just before i did and was leaving in my general direction. The alert didn't sound until it would have been too late. Never assume the car's got it.
Seriously. The only thing that blind spot monitoring lights and automatic emergency braking is for is to make you feel better. You should never, ever, rely on an emergency intervention system. Really, the best kind of automatic intervention system to become standard is electronic stability control. It saves the lives of countless incompetent drivers annually, so they can crash into you next time instead.
Overreliance? Yes. Because Tesla has basically lied to their consumers and told them they are using something they aren't. The current problem with Tesla's is a marketing one. They are confusing their customers with the name "Full Self Driving" when it absolutely is not that. So everyone assumes they can let the car drive for them when it just can't do it. It is only a level 2 on the autonomy scale. Drivers are required to be as aware as they are in any other vehicle and be ready to take control at anytime. Most newer vehicles on the road today have the same capabilities a Tesla does ( Adaptive cruise control with lane keep steering). But most people wouldn't even consider letting their vehicle drive for them even with the same features a Tesla has.
@@3xceIIent I agree with you. But, based on the conversations I've had with people with such features, I think you'd be surprised. I've been ridiculed for saying I can't even do cruise control because I'd rather just drive than sit there with my foot hovering over the brake the entire time. They're like, "Why, man? Just let the car do it.". This guy was not a Tesla owner. Meanwhile, they're probably sitting Indian-style (people can sue me if they don't like the wording) letting the car do its thing while on long trips. I would love to know how one goes from being in such a posture, semi-attentive to responding to an emergency without things getting really ugly.
Saw a video of a Tesla doing its Tesla thing and nearly hitting a wrecked car in the middle of a six-lane highway and a cop car on the shoulder with its lights on and the driver actually said he probably would've hit the car but for the Autopilot (not Full Self-Drive). He was also pretty full of it, supposedly coming home "sober" from a party at 4 AM. But, he admitted that he thought the car was a better driver than he is. But, had he been paying attention, he would've seen cars ahead hitting their brakes and swerving and should've been ready to take evasive action. The car paid that stuff no mind.
This is because Elon Musk is full of crap but his sycophantic followers suck up everything he says like the gospel.
The trucking one is a real issue for sure, not enough drivers and long journeys.
So chaning trailers together is probably a good idea.
That said, it would be more dangerous, so maybe they could get their own lane.
For extra safety we could separate that lane from the road completely
And if they're going to be in just this one lane we might as well optimise it for efficiency, some low friction all metal wheels and guide rails for them to run on.
We could even electrify it with a series of transmission cables along the route
Have a whole network of these things across the nation
Hell, we could even transport people with them
How has nobody thought of this before?!
Exactly what I was thinking. How has no one thought of this before?
Yea and we can call it a train of trucks
thats such a good idea, i cant believe you are the first person to think of that
Idk this just sounds like science fiction babble.
There is no lack of drivers.... the issue is completely elsewhere... like bad pay for bad job....
You guys really needed to ask him about IOT and self driving cars. The perfect example of this was that intersection where they were stuck. The human equivalent would be a hand signal from the driver to another. These cars need to all share the same network or at least be able to communicate to really maximize value.
The cop really yelled no at the car 🤣
Rolled up newspapers are a better deterrent.
Simple idea: I'll let a computer drive for me when computers can go six years without a single error.
Great timing on the ad read, Subaru got their money worth with that automatic braking assist vs the older footage! Haha! Neat episode, really enjoyed it!
If only there was a system where people could pay to have another person pick them up in a regular vehicle and drive them where they need to go. Maybe it could be really cheap and be a big vehicle that many people could ride at the same time, that makes routine stops along a predetermined route. You could even have a service where people use their own vehicles to pick people up as a side hustle. Maybe call it "Doober". Just a thought.
Lmao this comment wins. You're so right. Recently I found my self with no car and no debt and I stupidly went out a bought a cheap car. What I should have done was buy a cargo ebike. No fuel, no rego, minimal maintenance. More money left over at pay day. 😢
Nah, I don't like being near other humans.
@@garychlastawa8277 you bring up an excellent point.
@@crimsontiger6 thanks pal. I went a long time with just a simple old Honda motorcycle as my only means of transportation. It was soooo much easier insuring and maintaining it than a car
@@garychlastawa8277sounds blonde
The crosstrek makes me think of new yorkers on vacation. Ive come across so many New Yorkers visiting my state and a lot of them had Crosstreks or something similar
Looks cool I guess, but id probably go with a Toyota or Mazda equivalent...
An Outback by any other name...
Truck one might be due to sensors being too low for the height of the bottom of the truck.
Instead of long-distance AI trucks, we need higher speed freight trains that drop off cargo at local Hubs.
11:45 I work for Amazon. I drive a truck. We have a Truck Driver Assist feature. It has lidar, radar, and about 8 cameras on it. I do not like to enable the system. It is nice sometimes. But can be unreliable. Going on the freeway, i've had it just stop accelerating and start braking automatically for me, with no traffic in front of me. I was going through a very slight curve which didn't require me to slow down. Luckily I am able to take full control by pressing a button on the steering wheel or just putting my foot on the accelerator. I'd rather have full control if i'm driving a semi.
Such an awesome ep! Thanks guys
I am a tech forward person, but to an extent
I do not believe giving up control to a system that drives the car for you is a good idea, under any circumstance
Even with people behind the wheel it's dangerous on the roads, I can only imagine something as hackable as a modern car with AI driving
No system is impenetrable, and we've already seen hackers completely shit on modern cars their safety features with nothing more than a laptop or mobile phone
It's partly why I have an older car. Outside of just preferring the looks of cars from the 80s/90s/early 2000s, since a lot of modern cars look exceptionally similar to the point of brand unrecognizability, and preferring to hear my engine and control the gearbox.
I don't want to sit on a laptop while driving. I'm driving. I enjoy driving. Just sitting in the back working or watching something would make it an activity I already do at home or at work. Driving is the intermediary moment where I can focus on nothing but controlling this 2500 pound piece of metal.
Traction control on a motorcycle caused me to wreck. It is a much more complex problem with a motorcycle than with a car and it really just doesn't work. Not with present computer technology. I'm fine with the traction control and ABS on my 2001 Jetta because it is minimally intrusive. The ABS rarely ever activates because I understand threshold braking. And you have to get pretty crosswise for the traction control to kick in.
Modern systems are designed to be a substitute for proper driving skills and it really is just an annoyance when you actually know how to drive.
The roads are going to be infinitely more deadly with these on the road.
arguably, an AI won't try to breaktest you or commit roadrage...
More people die on the roads from human error than AI error.
Think with time the roads will be far safer with these than people.
@@shaquan9893 Well duh, more humans are on the road. Statistics...
@@thebottomoftheinternet8996 Yeah, when Jesus comes back.
I like how Subaru is the video sponsor advertising a dependable & practical vehicle
I love my Forester.
best subaru ad i've seen.. from a failed stop to showing off auto stop on the crosstrek
you just got to love a dude thats under an NDA contract that will talk about stuff hes worked on
Why is sandro not in this episode, you could still have the AI lovers and sandro just be there making jokes and calling them nerds
I would actually love this
The Sienna wasn’t trying to create an exit route to the side. When it loses tracking of the lane it just doesn’t intervene anymore, and in this case the road was curving at the same time. So straight ahead with no lane keep activated is the wall.
Also, with Toyota’s Safety Sense, it is not a self driving system. It’s an assistant system. It’s not designed to be driven with your hands off of the wheel. So after you take your hands off of the wheel for long enough (maybe 20 seconds or so), the system shuts down.
I’m sure the shut down is designed to keep people from trying to utilize the system as a self-driving system, which it isn’t.
But I do think that the system should slow the vehicle to a stop and turn on the flashers and horn or some other way of safely coming to a stop to alert the driver instead of just shutting off at full speed.
My thought is, what would happen if someone was using the system as an assist and just fell asleep? Big crash.
I think it’s a case of a system becoming a crutch and slightly less safe rather than an actual safety system.
Great video, great guest! Donut strikes again!
Summon does not work in bad weather though, that guy got lucky!
I work in IT. The people I know who are most skeptical of self driving are software engineers - the people most familiar with how unreliable technology - esp software is.
The tech also clearly isn't ready for primetime yet it's allowed to "test in production" on busy public streets
Industrial Robotics Engineer here, I have zero trust in self driving vehicle for now.
It only needs to fail once to be fatal.
but but, that's not really tech forward thinking.
Jezus, when he said that word, I thought to myself: is that a programmer, or just a salesman.
The camera only idea is stupid: a lot of crashes occur because humans can’t see (fog, and confusing visuals, for example).
That bronze Volvo was a 2011 S60 prototype, and that test was about the automatic braking and slowing system. My grandfather had a 2012 S60 which had all special things including the emergency brake.
The Volvo clip at about 3:20 could be the anti-collision test I heard about ages ago.
They ran the test through several rehearsals and it worked perfectly each time, the brakes stopping the car before it hit the truck.
It came time to do the test with the press there to record it, and the car failed and drove straight into the truck.
I'm mean I'm tech forward, but I don't want the ability to drive being taken away from me.
I assume that as soon as the tech gets good enough and the costs for automated driving accidents are lower than costs for human-driving accidents, insurance companies' rates will skyrocket and ultimately, only the rich will be able to afford to drive. That's my guess for the future, anyway. Enjoy your license while it lasts.
Maybe not the best idea to have Nolan advertising a car with "pre-collision braking" right after a clip of automatic braking failing.
This turned out to be an EXTREMELY fascinating video for me. Would love to see him break down more examples
I really don't understand how fully autonomous cars with no safety driver is even legal
The Sienna was not using an exit strategy idk what this guy is talking about. He didn't keep his hands on the wheel so the lane keeping just turned off and the car went straight. This is extremely common from almost all manufacturers.
See, I was thinking that the Sienna's camera picked up it was going over a solid white line, which indicates the shoulder of the road.
And as people use the shoulder to pull off in the case of emergencies, I figured it was programmed to allow for this to happen, so that the vehicle didn't try and pull you back into the lane when maybe the driver was wanting/needing to pull off.
I think it did what my VW ev does, if it detects un responsive driver (no hands on wheel for like 15 seconds after it dings at you, it actively steers to the side of the road, turns on blinkers, and dials 911, assuming the driver is having an emergency
My take on autonomous vehicles are that I enjoy driving too much to allow a computer to do it and I've been around computers long enough to know how often they can malfunction and bug. I support the inclusion of them if they can drive as well as your average driver but until then, no.
Yeah, self driving car enthusiasts always compare it to the worst drivers to justify it, but what about the good drivers lol? And anyways, even if the technology was almost perfect, it would still be safer to use it as a safety feature rather than just take a nap at 70 mph with nobody behind the wheel.
Yeah, I think most people prefer being the driver over a passenger. This seems like a niche thing that only people who want to be driven would want.
And Musk just wants it because he knows that every other car company can copy his hardware and he was hoping for a software edge that can’t be duplicated. But from what I understand, he’s lost that as well.
Awesome being sponsored by both Subaru and Tesla!
The idea of AI trucker convoys is exciting. That said, a whole new genre of road piracy and "wild west" style heists will be crazy to watch
guys honestly thank you so much for bringing people in as guests who ACTUALLY know what they are talking about
I loved the car changing lane to the right nearly hitting the wall. It looked to me like it was following the shadow on the road instead of the lane lines. Hey, if you don't want to drive, get a taxi, a bus, or a train. All we are doing is non-training a generation of worse than useless drivers.
Love that the guy working on self driving cars is wearing a shirt that says “Hit + Run Crew”. 😂
for cruise cars in the interseection, that's the exact scenario where the cars being able to talk to each other would help things a lot. If both cars get into a scenario where they are each waiting on the other they could let the other car know and then use some sort of RNG system to pick who goes first and as long as the results do not equal each other then say program where the one with the lowest number goes first while the higher number waits. This could all be done in a split second and of course only works if both cars are self driving.
Self driving cars are like automatic paper towel dispensers, a solution to some thing that wasn’t an issue.
Does Tesla really believe we should only use cameras? That’s insane - that’s like saying our work computers shouldn’t be able to compute complex code or even simple math - we can only do it by hand or by memory up to a certain extend, so computers should only use simple logic gates.
13:00 i don't think so - I drive a 2022 vehicle with basic lane keep assist and when I don't touch the wheel for a long time, it just turns off and drives wherever. The feature to stop the car was an extra, while the lane keep assist is standard (has to be in Europe).
For the first time I am scared of having my car, which I can't afford to replace, totaled by a self driving car. I of course won't get a dime, as my car is 20 years old. Brave new world.
Why are any of these companies allowed to test these cars in public without drivers ready to take over?
Because that's not what's happening. It's the drivers that think that the car is in control and if anything goes wrong, the company is to blame, when in fact, the driver themself is still in charge and to blame in case of an accident. The systems are still only assist systems. No matter what Elon claims. The only Level 3 autonomous driving capable cars on the market right now, are the Honda Legend, the Mercedes EQS and the BMW i7. But just because the cars are capable of it, doesn't mean legislation has allowed that yet. And that's what people forget/ignore.
@@CerberusTenshi they showed videos of both Cruise and Waymo cars without drivers creating problems that would have never happened had there been a driver in the car to take over.
There's a shortage of truck drivers because nobody wants to pay them living wages. So instead of paying drivers a living wage, the solution is to put them ALL out of work. Logical. Gotta love "Forward" technology.
I have a 2017 VW Passat R-Line and occasionally it will randomly hit the breaks. Sometimes it'll slam on them and beep acting like I'm approaching a stopped car too fast, other times theres absolutely nothing in the road or in front of me. Its horrible. Also, when roads Y off, it sometimes will try to keep you in the original lane even if you need to go left.
super cool episode guys!