Grime: London's latest music export
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For many, grime is an enigmatic genre of music. Its genesis at the crosspoint of dub, uk garage, dancehall, and hip-hop make defining the sound less than straightforward. But a recent wave of promotion positions Grime to make a splash in pockets of global culture moving forward.
But to understand how grime overcame an initially sour reputation on its way to international stardom, you have to go back to the early 2000’s.
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playlist of tracks from this video + some other highlights. open.spotify.com/user/1215598098/playlist/617NRJyHNVuFSrPeJZJZbj Also look up Rhythm N Gash, it's not on Spotify but it's great. - Carlos
Vox : Thanks! These tracks are enlightening and lovely
Vox The Murlo remix of Rhythm N Gash is sick as well.
How is crack btw
These Tracks are Out of this World.🎵
Foreign Beggars
American people tryna say it's stealing their culture, if you come from uk you know it is original, Grime mainly comes from old uk garage, not hip hop
MANTLE ok that's just a step too far buddy they didn't 'steal our language' 😂😂 but yh, its had its influences by America a bit buts it's not derived from there
MANTLE They didn't steal our language, their descendants are English, Irish, German and Italian etc. English just came out on top over there.
Well hip hop is around longer than grime and has influenced it a lot but I guess you are just mad that hip hop is american
Lavar Ball 2020
Garage comes from hip-hop....
Rapping comes from hip-hop...
Grime probably wouldn't exist if hip-hop didn't exist.
But the people who claim they are stealing from their culture are still dumb anyways. By there logic only new york should be able to make hip-hop and all other cities in the us that do are stealing from them.
Wow never would've expected a video about Grime from Vox
Yh i was shocked
Eric Thomas Yeah but Grime is UK orientated and they don't seem to make many UK based videos.
ikr
King Henry Grime's been moving up lol
Why? Like how is this surprising
big up all my UK dons in the comments
yessss
Noah Wilson brrrap brap!
Even the ones that live in the countryside...
Noah Wilson my g
yes lads
To make it clear: Grime is a standalone genre, which developed primarily from Garage and Jungle music. It is not a subgenre of hip hop or anything else.
Listen to Grime tracks (without vocals) and it's demonstrably a separate genre.
Real grime is definitely different from HipHop but the new "grime" artists like 67 are not grime
67 is not and has never been Grime.
67 are UK Rap (drill subgenre)
Respect, Misty Cold is real grimey.
that's cos 67 arn't "grime" artists ffs, it's drill, completelly different genre of music
But it's still def hip hop. Hip Hop is huge and has a lot of sonic variety. Grime is heavily focused on rapping which def makes it hip hop. If it wasn't for NY Grime wouldn't exist.
always just assumed Grime was a regional subcategory of Hip Hop. turns out it's really a different genre all on its own with totally different roots. dope video, Vox.
eh, grime came out well after hip hop was world famous. sure its got different beats from UK's rich electronic music tradition, but to act like rappers in the UK were not influenced by rappers from the US is silly... just listen to the words they literally copy american rappers all the time
Exactly. Grime is a different genre. Strip away the vocals and it's very evident that Grime is not a subgenre of anything else.
nah, what im sayin is that its not a different genre. its like saying trap is a different genre from hip hop just cuz it sounds different... they are all types of hip hop.
It has it's roots in 2 Step and Hip Hop
No.
Grime is its own genre, with its main influences from 2-Step Garage and Jungle music.
Listen to "Pulse X" or "Wiley - Eskimo" to hear for yourself. You can sing, rap, hum or whistle over Grime, it doesn't stop it from being grime.
But does a Grime song ever talk about Grey Poupon?
Patrick Hogan i havent seen grey poupon outside the US
kakyoin MILF HUNTER There was just an older Vox video talking about the use of Grey Poupon in rap lyrics.
no cus we on that colmans stuff innit. :)
Well played Patrick.
Patrick Hogan great comment tbh
Vox, making me interested about topics I never really cared about.
ikr?
FactHub I've known about grime for years before this.
with a 10 year delay?
Jonathan Rouse yep, it's hard to miss if u live in the UK since the early 2000s
Well done Jon
a bunch of young men, all dressed in black dancing extremely aggressively on stage. it made me feel so intimidated, and it's just not what I expect to see on prime time TV.
Caleb Luft Ksi
Thesus it doesn't have anything to do with ksi. its from shutdown
Hahaha! Nice quote from ShutDown 😂
I'm in a different class
Caleb Luft
I always wondered was that skit ever a real call from TV like The Wright stuff or This Morning.
To everyone that keeps saying that Grime and Hip Hop are the same, basically the two are distant relatives. The principle of both genres is the same, RAP, rhythm assisted poetry. But to try and compare them and say that they are the same just isn't correct. They come from different family trees. Grime originated from UK Garage, jungle and electronic music. Something that Hip Hop is rarely, if ever, associated with. Grime beats are also made from scratch most of the time, whereas Hip Hop is more sample based and uses jazzy, rock and roll and other types of instrumentation.
I HOPE THAT SETTLES ALL THE CONFUSION.
convergent evolution
A lot of people won't truly understand grime unless they see it live or banging it in a car with mates
trus
Your not helping your case.
latest export? y'all been asleep on this for about 15 years...
Latest? Grime has been around since late90s/the early 2000s
Thats what I thought xD
ShadyLurker92 that was garage
and is starting gain popularity around the round, only two or three artists have much fame across the pond: Skepta, Giggs and Stormz.
Grime was around then also man. Can read more about it on wikipedia
lol, same I thought that, it's been popular since early 2000s
Latest ???? Grime has been going since 2000 at least.
DawntreaderUK it just got America
Not really - Grime has been filtering through for years. This documentary is 17 years late.
DawntreaderUK latest london export dummy
Watch the video... David mellings you too
It's not London's latest export. That is my point. it has been going since before 2000 and has been filtering into the US ever since.
Finally something about London!
Shaoor Ahmad gotta love London
Mura masa vid tho..
God London is horrible, even throughout history
Shaoor Ahmad what do you mean finally!?!? I live in Bristol and I hear about London alll the time there is literally no escape even on the bus it’s “Oi did you see what happened in London last week?” Or there’s like 10 new movies recently that’s filmed in London like detective pikachu, new men in black, the new fast and furious and even spider man will be filmed in London. That’s not even all of them
@@water2860 best city in the world
Wow, Vox on grime. We've reached, maddddd
Mayday ikr, wasn't expecting this
Mad tbf
Thats not how you say garage mate
Not like barrage, like carriage or marriage.
Reminded me of Wiley in his DJ Vlad interview loool
It was funny. There's nothing inner-city London about pronouncing 'garage' like that.
allow it mate before i get kurrpt fm to run up on you
It’s pronounced garidge.
I love this. I must say the thing that stunts Americans from wanting to listen to Grime is the fact they believe it's not the "main Hip-Hop" but instead a subcategory. Grime is a different genre as you see in the description and culture. This is the most raw form rap and lyrical attribute while keeping its authenticity (not copying America's style of rap).
I can say, as a Hip-Hop fan, grime is greatly outdoing Hip-Hop on the aspect of rap ironically. Grime artist can do what Americans do but Americans cannot do what Grime Artists do, with no fault to them, they never rapped on such a hectic beat and BPM though.
Overall, grime is the epitome of London behind the tourist attractions and old buildings. However, the rest of the UK are now finding their sound and soon, America is going to have to get used to the London vernacular.
Hope this explained more.
I'm glad there's no mention of BGMedia. What a joke to grime.
Afgan dan can't go 3 days without a sniff 😂😂😂
Don’t even class bg as grime tbh sounds nothing like it
BGMEDIA 😂😂😂
@@-eurosplitsofficalclanchan6057 tnt Afghan Dan could be good if he stopped doing anything with BGM
#grime4corbyn
gotmac06 yeah cause socialism worked out great for the countries who tried it right
Tory loser detected
Corbzy!!!
Lu Tze yeah cause capitalism is working so good right now
Lu Tze You mean like Canada, Germany, Sweden, Norway, France, Portugal, Australia etc etc... all Democratic Socialist countries.
Stormzy made grime mainstream
In a positive way
jan yang brummer ehhhh stormzys no that good but
bejarny tbf 21 gun salutes a banger
jan yang brummer Dizzee Rascal made grime mainstream
Cat Birral Dizzee Rascal was grime's first mainstream artist.. but he didn't make grime mainstream
Nah, Skepta made grime mainstream Dizzie was the first but it didnt stick
...after you mentioned Rinse, I knew you were serious, good video; its nice to know where the bangers come from...
I first heard about Grime in college from Black British and Nigerian/Afro Brits studying in the US in early 2000s. Even with their explanations and when they played examples for me, I was always still confused on whether it was British Hip Hop, or Garage, or just Techno! Ha ha, it took a Vox video to clear it up for me!
JuniorXEastNY ***somali 😏
Y'all I'm so happy grime is making its way to the US I first started listening because of Lady Leshurr in 2014 and now it's one of my favorite genres
Back when Stormzy was a backup dancer, fun times
Been banging grime in Philly for over a decade. There's been grime nights in cities all over the US for a very long time. But I guess now that Drake reps BBK, now is when people should take notice, lol.
Aayyy, where's the mandem from hackney at???
skelon1 what you sayin fam
skelon1 wagwarn g
Hackney is the epitome of londonistan, up there with tower hamlets 😂
Yh I know all these hipsters in Hackney are secret muslims
Shoreditch is in Hackney. Just thought I should correct you.
I was definitely the only person I knew listening to Grime in college in '08. Went to a state school in Ohio and no one ever knew what I was talking about. Every artist they mentioned I had been listening too back then. JME's Famous?, Skepta's Microphone Champion, Wiley's Treadin' on Thin Ice. Catch up yo!
idk about the rest of the world. but grimes pretty big in Australia.
Video not about trump? Tell my man shut up
oh wait no actually good stuff
they're simply waiting on another Trump scandal or controversy
aye rude boy shut up...better than me shut up
Whenever vox make videos about music they're always amazing. Their hip-hop videos are why I subscribed. As a young Brit Grime has existed for as long as I've really listened to music, crazy America is only just discovering it
Tbh the hip hop breakdown was a much better video, and I was hoping for a video of that quality.
MCMF Yeah I agree. I wish this video was way longer and more indepth. there's so much more they could've said. Didn't even give Kano a mention
MCMF Yeah he just listed notable people and briefly mentioned background information. Some more focus on why the music is interesting or clever would have been good. Or demonstrate its importance to its audience to the viewer.
The video was really more tell than show, ya know
MCMF ALL CAPS WHEN YOU SPEll THE MANS NAME
Lucas Murray true
Great vid, but would love to see Drum and Bass mentioned. It is an important sub genre that influences grime and all the other genres mentioned, and has remained distinctly underground despite the explosion of EDM (which really takes everything from UK and European dance music) and other popularised UK underground music.
Big up Channel U
Super interesting video - I love these analysis of music's evolution, like she said I think the video it highlights the lifestyle a person lives who listen/produce this music
The small details in the edits are really clever. Big up Carlos!
i lived with someone from london 7 years ago and introduced me to grime. shits lit
This is Vox being the best again
I discovered Wiley's Bow E3 back when I played NFS Pro Street. Fell in love instantly.
We used to blast grime in my friends parents basement in Canada and now grime is all over the club scene in Toronto. Love it!
Someone call Carlos to come and tell Vox that Ghetts was a badman in jail.
Can you also cover international issues? Qatar is getting sanctioned by seven middle eastern states, for example. idk, some sort of more general international outlook.
Dude that story broke just a couple of days ago, it can take some time to compile a useful/detailed report that gives you info outside of what you can see on any news channel. Patience, friend.
Anyway, Vox is a fairly large media company, with different branches focussing on different things. Just because one team were producing this video, doesn't mean no-one else is bringing anything together about Qatar.
They have articles about that on their website. Their youtube channel does a lot of featured interest stories rather than breaking news.
Oscar Brogden not trendy enough
Grime is international.
Oscar Brogden grime is an issue.
Loved the description!
I saw Stormzy perform at Made In America earlier this month and was so surprised when pretty much the whole crowd knew the lyrics to his songs and it was honestly one of the greatest, most energetic shows of the whole festival.
Americans about to start talking about grime cringe cringe cringe cringe. Ps grime is pretty much solely British hence why it's not gonna spread (most likely idk).
Anonymous Killer Destroyer Yeah but then us UK lot shouldn't even bother with earlier Jay-Z, Nas, Biggie etc but we do.
You could've said the same about dubstep, but that spread around the world.
Check out JDZMedia's Risky Roadz videos. There's Grime MCs in Australia, Ireland, South Africa, New Zealand, Canada, USA, Russia, Japan, Czech Republic etc.
good piece. A bit surface level but I would expect that from an American doc on the scene.
very well researched and presented, good informative video for people new to grime for sure BOY BETTER KNOW!
I have been on that Grime scene thank you Vox for sharing it with my fellow Americans
The amount of americans thinking grime is inspired by hip hop makes me wanna cringe
Not only Americans. Am European. this literally just sounds like hip hop with a London accent, and some kind of dance beat. Of course people are going to call it hip hop, sorry not everyone had such a specific upbringing as
They are literally rapping. The beats are different yes but you cant say its not inspired by hip hop.
This whole thing is just copied from America like 90% of the pop culture over there
Hank Scorpio hip hop didn’t invent rapping
Yes, it actually did. Do your research. It started from the MC's at parties hyping up the DJs. They kept taking it further and further until it became rapping, and then the MC's began to record their raps, which became early hip hop.
can we talk about how this man is pronouncing garage 'garaaahge' not 'garij'
Barney Rowe It's the American pronunciation of it. Tomato, tomahto
Dux i'm not really sure that 'tomato tomahto' applies when it comes to names that have social and cultural resonance - garage is such a distinctly UK genre that to mispronounce it in the American English way detracts from its unique identity
I dont listen to it now but boy did this bring back memories from high school in the mid 2000s
Been waiting!!
whenever grime (or anything underground, really) goes mainstream so many media stories get it wrong, for example some article mistook the "reload" as technical difficulties, or focused too much on violence blah blah... not Vox. I think they covered it very well. Big up! as they say
Grime is way to big for America's boots!
AF25 u could say...its way too grimey for them...no??
American hip hop mainly makes average meaningless, tasteless "fake deep" crap to be mainstream. On the other hand, grime is unique and authentic
Or to shitty
AF25 grime isn't even music it's terrible
Grime is good, but it's pretty repetitive sometimes
This is awesome. I heard that Fix Up, Look Sharp way back and thought it was just a abstract form of Hip Hop. But now I understand. Respect to the architects of Grime
Loved the last words and song choice at the end
It’s annoying that the measure of success is somehow being featured in a Drake song :s
Wagwan pifting wots ya bbm pin
MysticA3ther aaaaa prrapp prrapp
MysticA3ther you best not screen munch it fam
Thank you I didn't know what this genere was called and ive been listening since Love me or Hate Me
Cant say I've really heard of the term Grime or the existence of the genre before this video but I do recognize hearing some of the sampled songs before.
But they didn't even mention kano..
UK mandem where you at!
The really interesting thing about Grime is the whole story around it
As a Brit living in Hampshire (outside of London) Grime wasn't known well round here until around 2009/10. But now it's by far the biggest genre there is. All through my teenage years every house party I went to was majority grime, and it's all over nightclubs now
Grime
Vox should do a video about lo-fi music
Grime was good before everyone knew about it, garage classics will never die
Bow, E3 can be considered the first Grime track to be featured in a Video Game. Specifically, it was featured in the console release of Need For Speed: ProStreet
Grime has been around for soooo long tho
Since like 2001
Why did you cut it? She probably was gonna say "at times emotional, meaningful or political". Smh changing the message to make it sound as if grime is only aggressive
That is so interesting how songs are band to prevent violence. You won’t see that in the states. Banning music? Uff… that will go straight to the supreme court. I’m very interested to learn more about Grime music. Sounds cool.
I'm glad vox tried not to mess this one up. and i can concur, pow still brings out the inner savage in people lol
England is my city 🎵
Rodrigo Vazquez but England is a country.
Dux u dont get it
Where little t at fam
I heard BoE3 for the first time on the Need For Speed soundrack and was, "ike WTF is this" ?!.
Now 10 years later Grime is going global,about damn time for this unique genre to get some recognition.
To all those people out there saying that grime is a sub genre of hip hop because they have similar roots is like saying if my brother and I had the same mother then I'm my brother's son. That makes no sense.
Oh my god you Americans are so embarrassing sometimes. It's not like Grime has been around for what, at least 10 years now, probably more like 15. And it grew out of UK garage and d&b anyway, so like, since the 90s... But that's cool: its cute the US is finally catching up.
Haha I can't wait til the find out about E.
Danny Pockets AMERICAN Rap has been around since the late 70s so almost 40 years now. Nice try but grime has lost
jojibot what has that got to do with what was said
Danny Pockets. It sounds like a hot mess ! No wonder why it never made it in america. But if you dissect it, well glady take back OUR hip hop portion of it thank you !
grime has absolutely no relation to hip hop what so ever
Rick Grimes.
What you doing
Stuff
Things
ngl their research is impressive, well played Vox
As an American who listens to a lot of British music.. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS VIDEO
Vox needs a separate politics channel.
Vox is news. They report news when it gets political
No they claim to "explain the news" with a clear bias, I actually like a lot of their content but their political videos are sometimes painful to watch
I think there’s a huge misunderstanding between what bias actually is in politics and what the news is supposed to do. For a lot of people and media outlets alike the assumed objective of any news piece should be to show both sides when in reality it should be about getting to and explaining the truth pf a subject. If group A says their plan will raise 5% and group B says that group A will actually raise taxes by 11% the job of a reporter shouldn’t be “Group A says this and group B says that, you decide who’s right” it should be to examine the issue as closely as possible and highlight empirical data and back up their conclusions with well researched evidence and political theory. This is something Vox typically does expertly and if their reporting seems to come off as having a bias for one particular side of an argument it’s probably safe to say that the actual evidence points in that direction as well- because typically speaking the answer isn’t usually somewhere smack dab in the middle like you might think.
Well reality is biased to conservatives sooo? it ain't vox that's biased
When you accuse people of bias you're just admititng you don't like what they have to say. Everyone has bias, your concern should be if what they're saying is accurate.
"If you've kept up with recent trends in urban music-"
Nope.
thank you for this sweet knowledge
This has made my day
Nah, that's not me. Act like a waste man, that's not me... like if you're familiar
True I use to look like you but dressing like a mess nah thats not me
When I first heard that track I thought it was from 2004 or something. I was surprised to find out it was much more recent than that and that the video cost £80 to make.
I actually never heard of Grime tbh
Haise Leonhardt check it out
santan aint grime
santan dave is drill
Milo Levinson dave is not drill ffs he does UK rap
You have now!
My jaw dropped. I fell in love with Dizzy and Wiley 13 years ago, and I thought they were Garage. Then I just listened to 'wat u call it' and it was a dis track. I'm in shock at how stupid I am.
Dammit... Now I have to check all of this out... It's exactly the type of music I like
Say what you want, this is a sub-genre of hip-hop.
Shredow2 and punk is a subgenre of reggae
Ok, see the difference is Punk and Reggae have alot more setting it apart besides a slightly faster tempo and being from London.
Shredow2 but that is not the only difference, theres only similarity between grime and hip hop is they are spitting over a beat.
Grime directly comes from garage
Shredow2 the only thing grime and hip hop have in common is rap and even that has totally different sound and flow
First
Adrian Vargas you really were
you can say the same thing when you also reach the gates of hell. okay?
One of the best Vox documentaries, although grime is similar to garage as it originated from garage music with mc's rapping over it. I live in london and grime is a major influence on daily life.
Growing up grime was so underground most wouldn’t even think it was “legit” music
RL "GRIME"
Yeah but he usually makes trap lol
Well, clearly it's inspired by American Hip-Hop. I hope no one is suggesting otherwise...
no, it came from uk garage
Phillip d'Amérique it really aint it comes from garage and d&b
which aren't inspired by hip hop?
No
I suggest otherwise. The rapping element, yes, that will come from hip hop, but the rest, no. Garage and jungle, to my knowledge, or more British than American, so it's to do with what they grew up listening to.
reeeally did their research big up vox
I’m 19 and I already feel old
Yeah, so... having a bpm of 140 doesn't make Grime NOT a sub-genre of hip hop. This came nowhere close to convincing me Grime isn't hip hop. Splitting hairs here.
It really didnt develop from hip hop though. it grew out of the UK dance music scene. Grime is a closer cousin to house music than hip hop, hip hop and grime just ended up at the same place. I feel like you didnt watch the video tbh
Matt Gilroy there really is a difference, but the video doesn't really do well to bring that point across
Thats because you dont know the history of grime you buffoon. No need to convince you anything when you know nothing
Grime started out when the likes of Wiley and Dizze Rascal brought their own twist on UK Garage. Dizzee has also said that the vast majority of his inspiration came from Drum and Bass MC's on pirate radio stations.
they're cousins born from their grandma, the jamaican sound clash culture
I'm sure if you watch KSI, you recognize most of these songs
KSI is the king of grime
Smiling Kanye I hope you are joking bro
Smiling Kanye u gave me a mild form of cancer
Smiling Kanye god help you my child
pow
"Original Pirate Material" introduced me to that whole diffent kind of music happening in the UK, thx Mike Skinner for leading me into this direction! (even so he didnt really do grime) hez my UK-music hero and a true poet in my generation!
And the ting goes