Sizing & Cutting an Integrated Seat Mast | Tech Tuesday

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  • čas přidán 14. 10. 2019
  • In this Tech Tuesday, Calvin adjusts a bike's saddle height. That's it. That's the video.
    Well, it is a little more involved than usual - this saddle is on top of an integrated seat mast on a carbon fiber tri-bike frame. We'll talk about what makes this system different from a traditional seat post system, and walk through the procedure for measuring, cutting the seat post, and installing the saddle.
    Questions or comments? Leave them below!
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Komentáře • 152

  • @masonrose-hamby2798
    @masonrose-hamby2798 Před 4 lety +58

    I may never have to use this video for a tutorial, but the videos are so dang entertaining and I can’t stop watching them

    • @wasabij9496
      @wasabij9496 Před 3 lety

      Me to i am a mtb rider i don't know why i watched this

  • @vpatsikas
    @vpatsikas Před 4 lety

    Fantastic work! Very detailed and shows how needs to be done properly step by step!

  • @backpacker3421
    @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety +12

    Thank you for putting up the eye protection reminder at the end. Also, even when you're spraying the soapy water, it doesn't hurt to wear a filter mask to protect your lungs from any particles that might still escape into the air.

  • @richardhaselwood9478
    @richardhaselwood9478 Před 4 lety +2

    I absolutely love the positive dust suppression, removing the hazard (because carbon fibre dust is really nasty), instead of relying on a mask, and sending up a dust cloud around the workshop.

  • @gonetoearth007
    @gonetoearth007 Před 4 lety

    nice video Calvin...the soapy water and tape tips are great given the amount of times I have cut seat posts and steerer tubes! thanks for all the help over the years!

    • @gonetoearth007
      @gonetoearth007 Před 4 lety

      @Tom Anderson totally agree! I use mask and eye protection on all my builds.

  • @hansschotterradler3772
    @hansschotterradler3772 Před 4 lety +24

    Nice work stand.
    The bike industry has the tendency of inventing stuff to make our lives more difficult. I dig my threaded BB and 27.2 seat post.

    • @Heleninhalinda176
      @Heleninhalinda176 Před 3 lety

      Threaded BBs are coming back, because they're really superior

    • @aidanf2610
      @aidanf2610 Před 3 lety +4

      Gabriel Miquéias they’re not really superior, just do a better job of masking the manufacturing errors that most big brands make

    • @Heleninhalinda176
      @Heleninhalinda176 Před 3 lety +4

      Exactly, like oval BB shells (cannondale!!!)

  • @Texmotodad
    @Texmotodad Před 4 lety

    Nicely done sir!

  • @cwsmith17
    @cwsmith17 Před 4 lety

    Great stuff. Park Tool rocks

  • @bikedawg
    @bikedawg Před 5 měsíci

    Calvin is the BEST----thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!! ❤ 🧡 💛 💚 💙 💜

  • @nedt
    @nedt Před 4 lety

    Wow, just wow. One take! (Up to the cut)Anyone else want to risk their multiple thousand dollar bike in one take?
    @parktool well done!

  • @ericpatterson8596
    @ericpatterson8596 Před 4 lety

    Great job park tools

  • @daniellinden2880
    @daniellinden2880 Před 4 lety

    Thank you very much for the video. Very instructive. But I have a question: What can we do if the cutting be more than necessary or if you find a second hand frame with that problem?

  • @adolforodas7150
    @adolforodas7150 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks, I really need it, this guidance help me and now I know how to do it

  • @manuelmalagon210
    @manuelmalagon210 Před 3 lety

    This guy is amazing!

  • @fpp666
    @fpp666 Před 4 lety +1

    Damn, Calvin wasn't kidding when he said he was going to use a hacksaw on a carbon fiber bike! I was waiting for him to stop and show one of the cool tools he always has :-D

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety +1

      The blade is the cool tool. It's specially made for carbon fiber cutting.

  • @jermstaallen4913
    @jermstaallen4913 Před 17 dny

    You make it look so easy, I need to do mine but I don’t have one of those fancy guides and I’m not 100% sure my old bike is set up good enough to measure off 😬

  • @redtobertshateshandles

    Park tools are affordable and good quality. Thanks.

    • @tenpirpa4503
      @tenpirpa4503 Před 3 lety

      Not sure about the affordability part but definitely top quality

  • @paisfr
    @paisfr Před 4 lety +1

    Moi j'adore , merci à la prochaine . Thank you . ) 👍

  • @ed0078
    @ed0078 Před 4 lety

    Like the stand

  • @Robin_S78
    @Robin_S78 Před 3 lety

    I’ll get the Propel Advanced SL in a week. Hope the Giant store works at the same level as you do! How many mm spacers can you use maximum? Just in case I need to higher the seat when I change crank length....

    • @christianuribe5612
      @christianuribe5612 Před 3 lety

      Where to do you get the spacers ? Bought one n need the post higher

  • @cuantekusa6809
    @cuantekusa6809 Před 3 lety

    I have a 2014 TCR Advanced SL 0 with the same kind of seat post clamp in this viseo. I am using two spacers on top of the actual fiber carbon seatpost (part of the frame) then the clamp with the saddle. The problem I am having is a crazy creaking coming from the seatpost/clamp. I tried already using grease, carbon grease, even putting electrical tape around the carbon seatpost.
    Any suggestions on how to get rid of the creaking noise? Thanks in advance.

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 3 lety

      Are you sure it is not the saddle/ rails and where they attach? These seatmast caps are not necessarily known to creak but the clamp for the rails is. Remove that, clean, grease threads and re install.

  • @LukeThomasPerth
    @LukeThomasPerth Před rokem

    Can i use a powered circular saw for this?

  • @natenorthway6488
    @natenorthway6488 Před 4 lety +1

    A lot of people are criticizing Giant's design here, but keep in mind that this is a carbon bike with Di2. Probably a racer. The weight savings is probably pretty significant. Also, Calvin, wear PPE whenever using a cutting tool!

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      I was cringing through the whole thing - no glasses, no mask. Soapy water only goes so far...

  • @actonblue2012
    @actonblue2012 Před 4 lety

    Do you have to be careful when clamping the seat mast, would the sawing have any adverse effects on the clamped section?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 4 lety +1

      Manufacturers that use seat masts put thought into the bike being clamped and build it to be able to be clamped. Sawing is intended my the manufacturers and the only ill effect would be if you cut too much off. Which leads you to plan b which is typically a conversion post.

  • @jerrygundecker743
    @jerrygundecker743 Před 4 lety +4

    If Norm Abram, (New Yankee Workshop), had worked on Bikes
    instead of solid wood, he would have done it this way. Well done.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      When Calvin taped it, I was absolutely thinking about woodworking. Great way to reduce blown out fibers for a clean cut.

  • @benjaminsamani8689
    @benjaminsamani8689 Před 2 lety

    What’s the product name of the integrated seat mast clamp?

  • @zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589

    I use an HEPA vacuum cleaner with a nozzle nearby to catch the dust.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      That's good, but you should also consider a mask. There is no other way to prevent breathing the particles. Soapy water can prevent most of them. A HEPA vacuum can get most of them. A filter mask will stop the rest.

  • @davidurciuoli8594
    @davidurciuoli8594 Před 2 lety

    My seat is a little too high for 20 yrs it was fine. Not sure if it is an aging thing.
    I tried to lower my seat when removing the mast and saddle I was shocked to see a cut going around the carbon seat post. I have the shortest mast presently, so hopefully a 1/2 cut will do it.
    Of course bike shops say buy a new bike.

    • @dimi3585
      @dimi3585 Před rokem

      I have the same.. But normal because the joints between ankles, knees and hip become thinner about half a cm.. Times 3

  • @johnraymondsantos6169

    Is it okay or safe to put the seat mast on the maximum limit insertion cap? My bike is emonda, thanks

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před rokem

      As long as you do not go past the line you are good to go.

  • @12Okmtonl
    @12Okmtonl Před 11 měsíci

    I was wondering if I could run the seat mask without shims? Will it damage the seat mask?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 11 měsíci

      Always check with the manufacturer

  • @valtersh4968
    @valtersh4968 Před 4 lety

    But what happens if you buy this bike you have to get the seat post for your hight but you grow higher then what happens?

  • @BashirAhmad-fy6tw
    @BashirAhmad-fy6tw Před rokem

    What's the battery thing that was pushed down? What is it used for?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před rokem +1

      That is to power the Di2 shifting system on the bike.

  • @leroyyoder3494
    @leroyyoder3494 Před 4 lety

    I love the way Calvin is always thinking about the ergonomic aspect of working on bikes. Home mechanics may have a harder time without the high tech bike station.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety +1

      I don't know, my stand will rotate, and the height is adjustable. Raising and lowering the bike takes a bit more elbow grease than just pushing a button, but it can be done.

  • @christianuribe5612
    @christianuribe5612 Před 3 lety

    So what to do if you HAVE to make higher .. can I stack or do I have to replace the post

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 3 lety +1

      There is some adjustability in the height of the mast cap. If you really need to make it higher than possible some companies give you the option to put a standard post in. But this is not common and cutting too short is a very bad thing.

    • @ekocahyono8058
      @ekocahyono8058 Před 2 lety

      @@parktool how higher i can adjust the mast cap? What if i cut to low 2-3cm?

  • @blarpieman
    @blarpieman Před 3 lety

    any particular blade you like to use? Doing this later.

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 3 lety +1

      For carbon, 32tpi.

    • @blarpieman
      @blarpieman Před 3 lety

      @@parktool Thank you so much. That blade looked completely different than a 32tpi blade was that carbon specific? Sorry to ask.

  • @koukimonzta
    @koukimonzta Před 4 lety +1

    should have shown us how you measure the rider height against the ISP prior to cutting.

  • @mancello
    @mancello Před 4 lety

    Thought you weren't supposed to clamp down on carbon like you're doing with the workstand clamp on the seatmast.

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 4 lety +6

      If you're careful, you can clamp on almost anything. See this video for more of our thoughts on the matter: czcams.com/video/ix_e6LWvap0/video.html

    • @zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589
      @zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 Před 4 lety +2

      The front and back of seat masts are stiff and strong compared to the sides, which is where Calvin has clamped it.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      @@zygmuntthecacaokakistocrat6589 Yes. Anybody wondering why can take a look at the cross section of the mast during the cutting. Very thick front and back, not so much on the sides.

  • @guntherschultz912
    @guntherschultz912 Před 4 lety

    doesn't carbon arbsorved water?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 4 lety +1

      No, it does not absorb water, or even grease/oil. Chemically, carbon fiber is very inert. This is one reason some sailboats and windmills are made from carbon fiber.

  • @greenpedal370
    @greenpedal370 Před 4 lety +2

    The funniest thing about these comments are the hysterical remarks regarding insignificant quantities of carbon dust.

    • @stellarpod
      @stellarpod Před 4 lety

      Perhaps you should discuss these "insignificant quantities" of carbon dust with someone who actually knows what carbon can (and will) do from a corrosive standpoint to some metals. This dust will fall down into the bottom bracket area, which could cause issues at some point, where your crank spindle and bearings live. Why on earth wouldn't you take the time to remove it to avert that possibility?

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      It does not take much carbon dust to cause serious health problems if you breath it in. If you cut carbon once every few years, you'd probably be fine. If you work on carbon bikes for a living, and don't take precautions, you will probably die an early death of major respiratory problems. "Insignificant" does not belong in any sentence describing a potentially fatal health hazard.

    • @greenpedal370
      @greenpedal370 Před 4 lety

      Good grief we are talking someone cutting a seat post, not industrial applications. Like I said Hysterical.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      @@greenpedal370 Professional do this a LOT, mostly on steerer tubes and handlebars. If you want to expose your lungs to a carcinogen, that is your right, but encouraging other to do the same, or criticizing those who are encouraging good safety practice, is negligent and foolish.

    • @greenpedal370
      @greenpedal370 Před 4 lety

      @@backpacker3421 Oh please.

  • @xuannhapham9964
    @xuannhapham9964 Před 4 lety

    Xe đẹp .

  • @pbenjlo
    @pbenjlo Před 3 lety

    Oh my god, I almost cried when he lowered the bike stand electronicaly. I was expecting a crushing sound :|

  • @seniorbrusko
    @seniorbrusko Před 3 lety

    How to know if you cut it too short? is there like a danger area for these types of seatpost? I have an emonda SL5 and I need to cut it :(

  • @kerianhalcon3557
    @kerianhalcon3557 Před 2 lety

    Ohhhh, Metric, always love Calvin using Metric, American must be losing it watching this!

  • @dickieblench5001
    @dickieblench5001 Před rokem

    What if you need an extra 1mm

  • @twoweeledsoto6072
    @twoweeledsoto6072 Před 4 lety +1

    Ooops! I thought,,,,,,, Nope! I'm in no hurry for this. I'm pretty sure the weight loss isn't worth it, to me. Video is excellent, but this is just too much of a pain for the return. Oh yeah, and let's acquire some more tools that I can toss with the next change.

  • @brentnearhood8874
    @brentnearhood8874 Před 4 lety

    Do I need to seal the cut carbon fiber with something?

    • @mrfailure93
      @mrfailure93 Před 4 lety +1

      You could use clear nail polish if it made you feel better. I've never been told to need anything more than cleaning up the edges

    • @brentnearhood8874
      @brentnearhood8874 Před 4 lety +2

      @@mrfailure93 Thanks!

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety

      @@mrfailure93 - Every guy has that around.

    • @mrfailure93
      @mrfailure93 Před 4 lety +6

      @@johnsmith1474 Just like every video has a troll!

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety

      @@mrfailure93 - Nice to see you self identify.

  • @adriangandara4715
    @adriangandara4715 Před 4 lety +1

    What kinda soap? Dish? Does it matter? Thanks.

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety

      Are your joking? Just use a vacuum.

    • @adriangandara4715
      @adriangandara4715 Před 4 lety +3

      @@johnsmith1474 no I wasn't joking. I guess I'm not as smart as you.

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 4 lety +2

      Any kind is fine. Just plain water works better than nothing as well. A vacuum would usually do the trick but most people don't have the extra hands or a fixture to go that route.

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety +2

      @@adriangandara4715 - You may have an IQ of 250, but you do lack some basic understanding of things. He was using the soapy water to prevent flying dust, which was in small volume as it's not a power tool process. The use of soap is weird and useless water is a lame solution to begin with, unless you are cutting masonry or some other very dirty materials with power tools blowing it everywhere, or wish to collect every bit of dust waste for reuse later. I don't like putting water near batteries (the object inside the seat tube is a battery), and the muck he creates just sits there and needs to be cleaned out anyway. So I suggest a vacuum held near the sawing action, quick neat easy done. This is standard procedure in the trades where you make dust.
      I love this guy, but as you can see when he refers to the "Doppler effect" he does have his limits of knowledge/understanding as do we all.

    • @adriangandara4715
      @adriangandara4715 Před 4 lety +4

      @@johnsmith1474 I ask questions about things when I want to understand them better. I've only cut a carbon steer tube and didn't use anything but a hacksaw and a vise. I asked because I know some soaps have chemicals in them. I wasn't sure if that could damage the paint or clear coat. I don't like people who make jokes or talk down to people who ask questions. Reminds me of kids who bully other kids in school, or make fun of them when they ask questions that they deem to be stupid. I know it's the internet so people feel entitled to say what they want because they're no repercussions. My name is on my account and my face is my avatar because I conduct myself online as I would in real life, like a man. It seems to me you should make your own videos since you know better than most. Then you could save your breath and wouldn't have to make quips or judge others who are actually helping people who know less than them. You also have no idea what I lack or have in abundance. If you're ever close to El Paso, TX I would love to show you.

  • @devilriderdiyush4424
    @devilriderdiyush4424 Před 4 lety

    Can you guys sell your company products to Nepal please here is not available tools to make my cycle run please reply

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 4 lety

      Shops and customers looking for our products in Nepal should contact our distributor in India. HAPPY EARTH ENTERPRISES LLP

  • @JIMWSMITH
    @JIMWSMITH Před 3 lety +1

    Great thought by giant marketing. Hmmmm one bike fits possibly one person = more sales = kills the secondhand market 🤔

  • @TuanPham-rh3ee
    @TuanPham-rh3ee Před 3 lety

    Can you cut a carbon fiber post?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, certainly. Measure a couple of times first. Finish the end with sandpaper.

  • @stellarpod
    @stellarpod Před 4 lety +1

    At about 9:43 you can clearly see a substantial pile of carbon fiber filings inside the tube, above the Di2 unit, which should have been cleaned out before righting the bicycle and attaching the seat. Details matter, sir.
    Steve

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 4 lety +3

      Thanks for your concern Steve.

  • @BodyKnight
    @BodyKnight Před 2 lety

    Yhea, you really don't want to use the caliper to scribe on stuff. Calibers precision comes from how sharp their blades at the tips are.

  • @michielnooren2076
    @michielnooren2076 Před 4 lety +5

    1:38 Loan it to a friend?
    🤣 Calvin you must be joking! Are you on drugs?

  • @fastbicyclerider7300
    @fastbicyclerider7300 Před 4 lety

    I just losen the bolt and remove it and ride my bike til it loose

  • @garylucas7050
    @garylucas7050 Před 4 lety

    What happens when your mate gives you the bike back and you want to return it to its original height 🤷🏻‍♂️😉

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Před 4 lety

      Dont lend you seat mast equipped bike to your buddy ;)

    • @garylucas7050
      @garylucas7050 Před 4 lety

      Park Tool exactly right

  • @GerryWilton76
    @GerryWilton76 Před 4 lety +7

    Great video... sure seems like a bad design that unnecessarily limits the bike's sizing.

    • @greenpedal370
      @greenpedal370 Před 4 lety +1

      It's an engineers delight.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety +3

      It's a design feature intended for a more bespoke use. One rider wanting to shed every single ounce to go as fast as possible. Not really practical for typical consumer use, but very very practical for those riding competitively.

  • @hellojrod
    @hellojrod Před 4 lety

    26 for MTB life. Old school 27 1/2 inch rims for road.

  • @mattgies
    @mattgies Před 4 lety +2

    Good video, but I would have liked for you to mention the reason it's important to keep the carbon fiber dust out of the air: It's carcinogenic.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety +1

      Which is why using soapy water AND a mask is a very good idea. Soapy water prevents most dust from reaching the air, but not all.

  • @oreocarlton3343
    @oreocarlton3343 Před 4 lety +23

    Such a total overdesign of a seatpost

  • @richcole3931
    @richcole3931 Před 4 lety +6

    no mask?

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety

      Please. Find a safe place.

    • @CyclingSteve
      @CyclingSteve Před 4 lety +3

      Soapy water...

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      @@CyclingSteve The soapy water doesn't get it all. It helps, but a mask is still a good idea. You know, if you do this on a regular basis (professionals) and want to keep breathing well into old age. If those things don't apply to you, then a mask is not really necessary.

    • @backpacker3421
      @backpacker3421 Před 4 lety

      @@johnsmith1474 I'm sorry, did Rich's concern for proper safety trigger you?

  • @rjg3876
    @rjg3876 Před 4 lety +8

    Shouldn’t you have an respiratory device on when cutting carbon fiber?Remember your teaching people

    • @jamescarter67
      @jamescarter67 Před 4 lety +1

      he showed in the video he wet it with like water to keep the carbon dust from flying every where

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety +1

      I suggest the use of a vacuum not water. But I must your generation is lost in fear. What the hell are you going to do to survive in a working world?

    • @rjg3876
      @rjg3876 Před 4 lety +3

      John Smith : I’m retired 50 years of the working world still have all limbs and in good health. Just trying to keep other from dying! By the way if do use a vacuum make sure it’s hepa filter if not your going breath in carbon fiber dust

    • @johnsmith1474
      @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety

      @@rjg3876 - You could rent time with one of those boxes with remote arms they have for handling plutonium. You could just cut it outside. Or if you only do it rarely, you could ignore the issue because it's not an issue and no you don't need a HEPA filter for a little say action. You are doing nothing to "keep others from dying" you are bullshitting yourself.

    • @rjg3876
      @rjg3876 Před 4 lety +1

      John Smith : have fun with your potentially bad Heathy life. I made thru 35 year in the Elevator industry. could of been killed at any time had think all time. something I don’t think you can do

  • @davidbray8652
    @davidbray8652 Před 3 lety

    Adds about £300 for the bike manufacturer every time you need a replacement. Don't you just love modern engineers 🤬

  • @johnsmith1474
    @johnsmith1474 Před 4 lety +1

    You could use a Japanese saw, or razor saw. You need to have a vacuum in play, not soapy water (9:44 it looks like a pile of crap in there). It's silly to be shooting water into the frame. It's not the "Doppler effect" ha ha you are not moving at speed past the object emitting (sound) waves thus invoking a change in relative wavelength, it's just the change in resonance of the seat mast, as it is divided. When you dress it up, use a block. For someone actually doing this, consider they might not own an electric bike lift. You might have lectured on the option of making the cut with respect to adjustability (your idea of lending the bike) that is, cut it some measure shorter so that the user can both lift, or lower the seat a tad. As you cut it, it can now only be lifted, not lowered.

  • @iamcyberpunk68
    @iamcyberpunk68 Před rokem

    Mainly when putting things together

  • @iamcyberpunk68
    @iamcyberpunk68 Před rokem

    Fuck thats funny

  • @iamcyberpunk68
    @iamcyberpunk68 Před rokem

    I laugh at the way he talks every last word comes up in tone and volume . have a listen drama guy for sure