5 Strange Islands You HAVEN'T Heard Of

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Komentáře • 198

  • @vlogdemon
    @vlogdemon Před 6 lety +139

    I have two things to correct you on with regards to Heligoland:
    1. The Germans acquired it from Britain in 1890 originally, until the end of WWII
    2. Frisian is actually closer to English than it is to Dutch

    • @ibx2cat
      @ibx2cat  Před 6 lety +41

      Ah, I focused too much on the end date. Also, I heard Frisian was really easy for English speakers to learn, but I was not aware it was close to English. Thanks for the (constructive) corrections!

    • @MartieD
      @MartieD Před 6 lety +7

      Frisian is closer to Engöish than Dutch is, but I'd still bet that Frisian and Dutch are closer to each other than either is to English.
      And Heligoland remainef German after WW2 as well.

    • @11n811
      @11n811 Před 6 lety +3

      Heligoland being traded for Zanzibar is actually a common misconception but not the truth, Zanzibar wasn't even a proper colony but an independant sultanate. Besides that neither was William II. "mad", you may like him or not, nor is there any proof that he said that. He didn't even have a reason to say something like this as the Anglo-German agreement was a pretty fair deal.
      Both of these misconceptions stem from the deliberately misleading name in German making it seem that they traded a rich colony for some tiny little island. By calling it that former chancellor Bismarck intented to attack his successor Caprivi who finished the negotiations with the British by making him seem as he struck a bad deal for the Germans.

    • @dithmarscher8705
      @dithmarscher8705 Před 6 lety +5

      Frisian isn't a big thing. These Guys see themself as Germans 100%. And Helgoland belongs to the "Kreis" of "Rendsburg", which is definitly not Frisian (and landlocked btw, Helgoland can only be reached by Büsum (Kreis Dithmarschen) or the city of Cuxhaven.

    • @oliverhees4076
      @oliverhees4076 Před 6 lety +2

      Frisian is closer grammatically but has a large number of Dutch loanwords.

  • @ColePenner
    @ColePenner Před 6 lety +92

    Yeah it is weird that a country can be on two islands, Mr. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

  • @georgerickard5509
    @georgerickard5509 Před 6 lety +133

    You find an ‘and’ country spread over two islands odd? Have you heard of the Uk of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? 🧐

    • @Jotari
      @Jotari Před 5 lety +3

      Deserves to be top comment.

    • @jackdaw6095
      @jackdaw6095 Před 3 lety +1

      That is odd.

    • @sidimightbe
      @sidimightbe Před 2 lety

      Bosnia and Hercegovina is odd, i just call it Serbia

    • @GavinLepley
      @GavinLepley Před rokem

      @@sidimightbeThose are two very different countries. Just call it Bosnia.

  • @Yotanido
    @Yotanido Před 6 lety +35

    I've actually been to Helgoland a couple times. It's quite nice there.
    Here's a fun fact: The airfield on Helgoland has the cheapest AvGas (aircraft fuel) in all of Germany, despite them having to ship it all the way out there. I guess that's what happens when you don't have to pay tax on it.

  • @shakybill3
    @shakybill3 Před 6 lety +9

    Saw " 5 strange island you haven't heard of" kept scrolling, saw it was ibx2cat, pressed the shit out of the video

  • @dreisaum9916
    @dreisaum9916 Před 6 lety +20

    Helgoland is actually pretty german nowadays. Not many people speak frisian sadly. Its a dying language.

    • @qqleq
      @qqleq Před 6 lety +1

      Not in Friesland, though.

  • @MrStn
    @MrStn Před 6 lety +30

    Skellig Islands? Witcher 3 anyone?

  • @cormacsmithy3975
    @cormacsmithy3975 Před 6 lety +7

    I live less than 100km from Skellig Michael. The most of West of Ireland is like that. Very scenic.

  • @mrhappy623
    @mrhappy623 Před 6 lety +3

    Montserrat is also very interesting. The southern half of the island was evacuated because of volcanic eruptions, and it's capital, Plymouth was entirely destroyed by the volcano, yet it still officially is the capital.

  • @Some1rishGuy
    @Some1rishGuy Před 6 lety +2

    If you ever do decide to visit Skellig Michael then you’re more than welcome to stay at my place in Cahersiveen! The journey is long but you’d see a good portion of the Ring of Kerry/Skellig Ring along the way which Lonely Planet named one of the world’s top 10 travel regions for 2018

  • @JustYakov
    @JustYakov Před 6 lety +5

    St Pierre and Miquelon is another interesting island, just off the coast of Newfoundland, and it belongs to France.

    • @christianlorre
      @christianlorre Před rokem

      France used to claim huge amounts of North America as their territory and now that's all that's left.

  • @jamesellis7919
    @jamesellis7919 Před 6 lety +33

    Omg a non Irish person actually pronounced an irish place correctly

    • @disapearingboi
      @disapearingboi Před 6 lety

      I've always heard of it pronounced Skellig 'Mickel' - pronounced like 'nickel' but with an 'm'. That's what I learned in school from a Kerry teacher.

    • @darthsawlex8257
      @darthsawlex8257 Před 4 lety +1

      Londonderry? *hides behind wall so no one saw me say it*

  • @kristofermakinen8698
    @kristofermakinen8698 Před 6 lety +2

    Correction: the picture of the Kenyan island you used was actually not the island in question but Santa Cruz del Islote, a similarily densely populated island off the coast of Colombia.

    • @ibx2cat
      @ibx2cat  Před 6 lety +1

      embarrassing mistake, but you're right!

  • @Terrus_38
    @Terrus_38 Před 4 lety +2

    Hellgoland looks like it was the highest point of Doggerland which didn't drown.

  • @kacee3472
    @kacee3472 Před 6 lety +18

    Ha! Your title is wrong, I didn't know about most of them but I had heard of Antigua and Barbuda! I even knew where it was on a map! :p Didn't know much about it though.

    • @InterloperBob
      @InterloperBob Před 4 lety

      Incredibly I've heard of Helogoland. There's a sea zone in Diplomacy named after it and it's pretty important in the game.

  • @mfvieira89
    @mfvieira89 Před 5 lety +3

    9:30
    United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland...........
    So.... You are saying there can't be a British identity in Northern Ireland???

  • @stefantrandafir1099
    @stefantrandafir1099 Před 5 lety +1

    Another densely populated island is Ilet A Brouee, in Haiti. 500 people live on just 0.004 km2, making it have a population density of 125.000/km2 or 320.000/sq mi.

  • @xaverlustig3581
    @xaverlustig3581 Před 6 lety +17

    Some more corrections I'm afraid, also at +Jayden Clarke :)
    1. Heligoland ceased being part of the British empire in 1890 for good. It was exchanged for Zanzibar in a treaty.
    2. After WW2 Heligoland became part of the British zone of occupation. That means it was once again under British control, but this time not technically as part of the British Empire, but as occupied enemy territory, which ended in 1955.
    The airport island (it's called "Dune") is actually a very cool place. It feels a bit like fallen out of civilisation, even though it isn't. It's just sand and pebbles, an airport, and a camp site. There are wild seals hanging around the sandy beaches, in summer they swim alongside humans, all while having small airplanes landing overhead. There's two small restaurants in case you feel hungry. :)
    About Frisian: It is probably the closest living language to English, but that doesn't mean a native English speaker can just pick it up like that. It still "feels" Dutch-like, and it probably isn't much easier for English speakers than Dutch or even German. English has changed so much after becoming isolated that there really is no continental European language that is mutually comprehensible. A phrase in the Heligoland-Frisian dialect you see on signs there is "Welkoam iip lunn", that means "Welcome on the land". You recognize "welkoam" obviously, but you probably wouldn't guess the rest if I hadn't told you. Unfortunatly the dialect is almost extinct, most people there speak German. Dutch-Frisian around Groningen is pretty alive though.

  • @djog7264
    @djog7264 Před 6 lety +17

    Yess ireland finally gets a mention in one of these videos

  • @neverluckym8728
    @neverluckym8728 Před 6 lety +24

    Tetaumatawhakatangihangakoauaotamateaurehaeaturipukapihimaungahoronukupok, New Zealand

  • @samuelbeltran6199
    @samuelbeltran6199 Před 6 lety +3

    The first time I saw the thumbnail, I hadn't even realized it was from Ibxtoycat. I thought it was one of those weird "Top 5" channels xD

  • @JISJ1964
    @JISJ1964 Před 6 lety +1

    In the case of Helgoland it doesn´t have VAT, instead they have something the Germans call Kurtaxen, a special tax for visits to spa-places, you have to pay some 5€ a night extra for your hotel there.

  • @claas901
    @claas901 Před 6 lety +3

    Heligoland was given to the German Empire in 1890 so far before WW1 even started. After WW2 the British used it as a military testing area until 1952 when they handed it back to Germany

  • @Ice_Karma
    @Ice_Karma Před 6 lety +8

    Haha, yes, one does need to check these things... for example, New Zealand's Ninety Mile Beach is, er, only 55 miles long. XD

    • @tzhongyan2
      @tzhongyan2 Před 6 lety

      Think they might wanna rename it as Ninety Kilometres Beach, metric rules right?

    • @aidanallen1976
      @aidanallen1976 Před 6 lety +1

      Nor is it 90 kilometres, 88 actually. It was considered that a standard man would walk roughly 30 miles in day accounting for rest and sleep. The people who named it walked along the beach in three days. 3x30 = 90 miles.
      Unfortunately, they didn't account for how much slower you walk on sand.

  • @IamTheHolypumpkin
    @IamTheHolypumpkin Před 6 lety +5

    You got something wrong. They didn't intend to build a link between the mainland and the island. But you still between to "Airport Island" and the Main Island. Such a long bridge tunnel or Deich/Damm wouldn't be economical as well as ecological feasible. Also only 1/3 of the Helgoland population can speak Fresian. Most speak Standard German or Low German.

  • @giovannirettore6064
    @giovannirettore6064 Před 6 lety +1

    Loreena McKennitt wrote a song about Skellig island

  • @oxcaxx
    @oxcaxx Před 6 lety +1

    Kihnu island is pretty interesting too.

  • @cascade5024
    @cascade5024 Před 6 lety +5

    I haven’t started the video but I know what Skellig Micheal is. Star Wars much?

    • @shinooo8291
      @shinooo8291 Před 6 lety +1

      Cascade I found out from this appear i had to read in school. It also talked about other places that Starwars was filmed in, like the Ewok forest i believe and the planet with the big fight in the last jedi

  • @JessicatMC
    @JessicatMC Před 6 lety +1

    Have you heard of the islands on Lake Titicaca that are made of reeds?

  • @woollymonkey3482
    @woollymonkey3482 Před 6 lety +1

    Can you do a video on Sealand?

  • @Ron.S.
    @Ron.S. Před 6 lety +2

    I live on "new road", in a town on "old north road" (the old roman road from London to York - A10 today).
    Don't know why it's called new road though...

  • @Tom-eq7eh
    @Tom-eq7eh Před 6 lety +4

    Honestly, watching the commonwealth games and watching videos on the topic, even you just mentioning uganda and kenya. Gets me hyped about the east african supernation that will form in a couple of decades. It should be similar to south africa in Its large diversity of African ethnic groups that are similar to each other and should have the development of nigeria.

    • @goldenfoxa1810
      @goldenfoxa1810 Před 6 lety

      Putin_1 Hoi4 and More that's a really bad idea

    • @Tom-eq7eh
      @Tom-eq7eh Před 6 lety

      golden foxa Look it up, it's so far going well. I think they are aiming for a common currency by 2020. For africa Uganda and Kenya are very developed. And both having growing economies and liberty.

  • @gusdrivinginaustralia6168

    What about that Island split between Uganda and Kenya just below the one you spoke about?

  • @mar754
    @mar754 Před 6 lety +5

    Norwegian islands best islands

  • @runnithetrex4310
    @runnithetrex4310 Před 3 lety +1

    Slightly north of heard McDonald’s island where you looked at there is a very small island called shag island

  • @liftebauer2903
    @liftebauer2903 Před 6 lety +2

    Really interesting video! The only one I knew a bit more about is Helgoland because I'm from Germany

  • @tophitsofficial6225
    @tophitsofficial6225 Před 6 lety +1

    Can you do on lambay I island of the coast of donabate Ireland and there lived a lot of walaby on there and a ship crashed there and much more :-)

  • @lapisfengari2428
    @lapisfengari2428 Před 6 lety +1

    When you went to Antigua and Barbuda, I was expecting it to be about Redonda and not Barbuda

  • @GravityFromAbove
    @GravityFromAbove Před 6 lety

    My vote for the weirdest larger island: South Georgia Island. Check it out. And by the way how on earth are you pronouncing your moniker? You speak fast enough to make it sound like one syllable.

  • @baskoning9896
    @baskoning9896 Před 4 lety

    Frisian is an official language in the Netherlands. You can demand communication with dutch government and such: in frisian.

  • @matthewlynch9331
    @matthewlynch9331 Před rokem

    I cant recomend Skellig Micheal enough if you do get a chance to go its breathtaking

  • @Fabs4947
    @Fabs4947 Před 6 lety

    Well,
    Frisia in general is a part of the Netherlands, but right at the border near Borkum (I guess you already mentioned this island?) to around Wittmund is East Frisia and then the coastal area of Schleswig-Holstein is North Frisia.

  • @jakobsmith4046
    @jakobsmith4046 Před 6 lety +1

    The picture you used for Migingo island is a picture of Santa Cruz del Islote not Migingo

  • @findlaymckay7516
    @findlaymckay7516 Před 4 lety

    ive been to antigua and it is a truly beautiful place and they have a very cool flag

  • @racsoleerf124
    @racsoleerf124 Před 3 lety

    Here are some more frogotten islands!
    Lundy
    Ile De Re
    Shooters island
    Ikaria

  • @CestLimee
    @CestLimee Před 6 lety

    In Norway, when people are starting to say the swearword "helvete" but realise they are in a setting they shouldn't swear they change it to "Helgoland". Some people even use it as a pseudo-swear just like english speaking people say fudge or frick. I have always wondered where that came from and now I know.

    • @jendorei
      @jendorei Před 2 lety

      Lol, you must hate the Swiss over there in Norway, if you made them into a swear word.

  • @dreisaum9916
    @dreisaum9916 Před 6 lety

    Awesome vid. I just love the style you tell us bout geographical sites and stuff. Keep it up man !!!💪

  • @oshead
    @oshead Před 6 lety

    I know an 'and' country you might be familiar with. It's called The United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland. Pretty strange one that.

  • @robsmith9989
    @robsmith9989 Před 4 lety

    You should do a part 2 :)

  • @alexritchie4586
    @alexritchie4586 Před 6 lety +1

    'Skellig is Hy-Brasil' confirmed?

  • @Sodack1712
    @Sodack1712 Před 6 lety

    Frisian is a germanic dialect,like dutch and Highgerman.
    So yes(Because i know old german) do understand a good amount of dutch and frisian.

  • @declandagostino5569
    @declandagostino5569 Před 6 lety

    I would love to see you make that video about Australian terriories, cocos islands and christmas islands are really interesting

  • @lemao_squash4486
    @lemao_squash4486 Před 6 lety +3

    Rock on Rockall

  • @jimgreen9059
    @jimgreen9059 Před 6 lety +1

    As I mentioned in an earlier geography video you did, since you apparently can't zoom in close enough for us to see the towns in England, nor the islands here, it would be wonderful if you'd show the spelling on the screen somewhere. Thanks.
    British Guiana became Guyana back before Jim Jones' Kool Aid party--way back in '66.
    Also, the A & B country's first is, contrary what common sense tells us, ann-TEA-guh, rather than ann-TEA-gwah.

  • @aldenrose8804
    @aldenrose8804 Před 6 lety

    As someone fascinated by this subject thanks for bringing up two that I didn't know! And hey, you don't know me or my life, maybe I'll end up in the Kerguelen islands as a scientist

  • @mjgaming0856
    @mjgaming0856 Před rokem

    to get to skellig michael land in Farranfore and then like an hour drive from there to the port

  • @cycklist
    @cycklist Před 6 lety

    Another interesting one is Rockall.

    • @ibx2cat
      @ibx2cat  Před 6 lety

      I was trying not to mention islands I've been through in previous videos; but you're right!

  • @acar3883
    @acar3883 Před 6 lety

    Tristan de Cunha is another weird/cool island

  • @steffen_of_frisia6789
    @steffen_of_frisia6789 Před 6 lety +5

    HELGOLAND BEST ISLAND!

  • @1337Skrjabinn
    @1337Skrjabinn Před 6 lety

    British nobles were sharing the same blood with Hannover nobility and they were allies for a long period of time and also Britain fought in 7 years war on side of Prussia so it's not a big surprise that somehow England gained that tiny island of Helgoland.
    Also friezes are germans. Actually they are the most ancient group of ethnic germans known for today. As every other coastal german tribe, friezes liked to sail to britain and many of them settled there aswell as saxons and stuff so that's why their language has a lot of common w/ english. It is fun actually how many european languages have so much in common with english language just because everyone seemed to really enjoy invading Britain.

  • @elijahfleming1266
    @elijahfleming1266 Před 6 lety +1

    You should look at the reviews on the KFC in pangnirtung, Nunavut, it is really funny

  • @daigeorge9797
    @daigeorge9797 Před 6 lety

    Yes! Do the Australian empire, and all the places that use the Australian dollar

  • @kasper41291
    @kasper41291 Před 5 lety

    Well here is Another fact about helgoland,for Many years it was danish since the middleage and untill 1807 when the UK stole it from Denmark

  • @clairemayes6218
    @clairemayes6218 Před 6 lety

    I like the 3 french islands next to Antigua and Barbuda which is Martinique Guadelope & monnestrat

  • @tonyboneMK
    @tonyboneMK Před 6 lety

    A fascinating video as always. There''s a book about Heligoland, "Heligoland - The True Story of Geman Bight and the Island that Britain Betrayed" by George Dower. Well worth a read for anybody who is interested in the story of the islands.

  • @the8thgemmer467
    @the8thgemmer467 Před 4 lety

    When every country starts using Google Maps the International Court of Justice will become obsolete and we will all be friends

  • @philipjsumner
    @philipjsumner Před 4 lety

    I always find the Diomede Islands interesting.

  • @EPMTUNES
    @EPMTUNES Před 6 lety

    Gotta love Elliðaey

  • @hd_inmemoriam
    @hd_inmemoriam Před 6 lety

    Busta Rhymes Island is an island I was hoping you would cover. It is a tiny, tiny island in a pond in Massachusetts. There is a great episode of the 99% Invisible podcast that tells the island's story. Currently Google Maps won't show its "name", but it has in the past and will again at some point. :D

  • @Bleachboy-tn5cd
    @Bleachboy-tn5cd Před 6 lety

    Great video

  • @blackbirdsnake3107
    @blackbirdsnake3107 Před 6 lety +2

    My grandma worked as a hair Stylist ok Helgoland and Helgoland is more German then You think

  • @koppadasao
    @koppadasao Před 6 lety +1

    Å, dra til Helgoland med deg! :)

  • @penguinbloopers
    @penguinbloopers Před 6 lety +2

    Can someone clarify what he means at 13:59 because there's no conceivable way anyone was considering building some kind of bridge to the German main land.

    • @dithmarscher8705
      @dithmarscher8705 Před 6 lety +3

      John Murray
      Helgoland is actually two islands, the government wanted to connect both of them but the Helgoländer voted against it. (Btw most of what he's talking about Helgoland is wrong)

    • @penguinbloopers
      @penguinbloopers Před 6 lety

      Thank you. I completely missed that and I needed clarification. To be fair he did literally say German main land so I had reason beyond my naivete to be confused.

  • @thesuomi8550
    @thesuomi8550 Před 6 lety +1

    Talk about saqatra islands pls

  • @tonylove4800
    @tonylove4800 Před 3 lety

    You get plenty wrong but still so interesting so keep going.

  • @thenextshenanigantownandth4393

    Ireland is not part of Great britian .ironically please learn basic geography ibx2cat. the irish monks lived on skelleg islands form 600AD to 10th century but they never continuously lived there like that of the puffins which also migrate to the islands on and off .

  • @unclepodger
    @unclepodger Před 6 lety

    Lol a Brit saying "How can you have a two island country and have a national identity" when the UK is technically a two-island country

  • @brodiegarrett5566
    @brodiegarrett5566 Před 6 lety

    Yeah do a vid on Australia pls

  • @tommyliddiard433
    @tommyliddiard433 Před 6 lety

    Heard of Antigua and Barbuda and French Southern and Antarctic Lands but haven't heard of the rest.

  • @stenbak88
    @stenbak88 Před 6 lety

    Great video for not caring toycat

  • @tyfooncheki
    @tyfooncheki Před 6 lety

    The main island of heligoland looks like north and south america and then the airport island could be like europe idk haha

  • @pablo8286
    @pablo8286 Před 6 lety

    Good channel, but i didn't like your comment about islands being behind the rest lol greetings from Tenerife

  • @batwing-plays
    @batwing-plays Před 5 lety

    There's this funny Icelandic island of Surtsey - it is only 55 years old.

  • @reskypanda5197
    @reskypanda5197 Před 6 lety

    British empire was a third of the worlds land, and the modern commonwealth consists of a third of the worlds population

  • @donalr9742
    @donalr9742 Před 6 lety

    Toycat: I like borders
    Me: I live in a border community in Ireland I certainly don’t!!!

  • @TheCoolBacon
    @TheCoolBacon Před 6 lety +1

    knew 2 and heard of heligoland

  • @Briefklammer1
    @Briefklammer1 Před 6 lety

    omg you are me !! i am also that interisting in this geography stuff

  • @iamraed1049
    @iamraed1049 Před 6 lety +1

    500th video yay

  • @Nooticus
    @Nooticus Před 6 lety +1

    I knew all of these!

  • @enclavetrooper4486
    @enclavetrooper4486 Před 6 lety

    What about the island of Kiribati

  • @vrenak
    @vrenak Před 6 lety

    Heligoland (with a hard g) was danish from 1231 until the british stole it.

  • @darthsawlex8257
    @darthsawlex8257 Před 4 lety

    I'd rather have an entire island destroyed than give a single foot of land to another nation. Our beautiful British Empire reigns supreme.

  • @ciaransavio
    @ciaransavio Před 6 lety +1

    Go raibh maith agat a Toycat (Irish for thank you Toycat)

  • @PhoeNix-nd8nm
    @PhoeNix-nd8nm Před 6 lety

    Best at geography ever

  • @clairemayes6218
    @clairemayes6218 Před 6 lety

    What did the southern french islands use before the euro ?

    • @ibx2cat
      @ibx2cat  Před 6 lety +1

      French franc, I would assume

    • @clairemayes6218
      @clairemayes6218 Před 6 lety

      ibx2cat i expected that

    • @clairemayes6218
      @clairemayes6218 Před 6 lety

      ibx2cat also because i colllect money and i thought they would have there own design of franc 😃

  • @wilklikesmilk5371
    @wilklikesmilk5371 Před 4 lety

    I love looking at weird areas on maps as well i think the weirdest thing i’ve found was a small town in Arizona Called “Why” and they have a little convience store called “Why Not Travel Store” the town is like 26 miles away from the US Mexican border very small town by the wat LOL

  • @SonOfMuta
    @SonOfMuta Před 4 lety

    Why do find it weird that Britain held that island until the 1950s?
    The Empire didn’t release Hong Kong until 1997

  • @Movkus
    @Movkus Před 6 lety +2

    Another interesting fact: On a lot of the German islands (including Helgoland), cars are illegal :)

    • @ibx2cat
      @ibx2cat  Před 6 lety +1

      There's one police van allowed, but everyone else has to use bikes - it sounds like an interesting place to live

    • @xaverlustig3581
      @xaverlustig3581 Před 6 lety +1

      Actually bicycles are illegal on Heligoland as well. People use scooter-like footbikes. There's a taxi on the Dune connecting the airport to the ferry.

    • @stefantrandafir1099
      @stefantrandafir1099 Před 5 lety

      @@ibx2cat bikes are banned too. Not sure why. Doesn't really make sence.

  • @billypathy
    @billypathy Před 6 lety

    You said you don't understand how someone can have such a national identity and be part of a 'and' country, despite the UK's official name being United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.

    • @ibx2cat
      @ibx2cat  Před 6 lety

      haha, and the whole "& Ireland, or & Northern Ireland" thing causes a serious amount of domestic tension - people call themselves British, and Great Britain is used to describe the country in many international bodies

  • @tinosenf6937
    @tinosenf6937 Před 6 lety

    And qour prentation is very nervous? Zoom in, zoom out, zoom in, zoom out...