Duel Of The Luxury Automatic Divers - Rolex Submariner Vs Tudor Black Bay Red (116610LN & 79220R)
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2016
- Today we duel the trusty and iconic Rolex ceramic Submariner (116610LN) against the vintage inspired Tudor Heritage Black Bay Red (79220R). For more information and to get any horological questions answered, join our community on the Facebook group: / 1503241666636531
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The Tudor Black Bay is a beautiful watch,I like much more then the Rolex look's wise.
I know its a old movie, but I love the fact that a watch 1/3th the price of the rolex is competing so closely to the Rolex
Would have liked to see both watches on they're respective bracelet.
I agree. We all forgive TGV's love for nato's and various straps, but luxury divewatches like these belong on their bracelets, or at least should be reviewed with them.
....especially the new BB Rivet style bracelet. SWEET!
Robbie O'Dell - I think everyone knows how the Oyster bracelets wear - excellent. No review needed.
correct. their bracelets dont need to be reviewed. they work well!
Let's face it the "in-house" movement is all about controlling the service and parts availability and therefore... service MARKUP! Personally (IMHO) I am happy to own the Tudor pre in-house with ETA, it is very refreshing and freeing to know I can go to my local reliable watch repair shop when I require a service for my Black Bay and not get raked over the coals through the dealer! ETA parts will always be available where OEM in-house parts will not be available to outside dealers. You have to find a trustworthy repair shop and once you do this to me is the way to go long term for a watch of this caliber. Then with the black bay pre-inhouse, there is indeed the rose, as well to me, an X-factor and romance of its own in this watch!
I personally wouldn't hesitate to buy the one with the new movement, but I don't think in-house is as meaningful in a tool watch with a solid case back. I just want a watch like this to be reliable and, as you point out, easy to service. If it's a JCL or something, I want a movement that's a beauty to look at.
+100. The more I think about it, I would much prefer to not be spending $700 every few years to service a $3000 watch. In fact, there is a reason Rolex is able to sell these Tudor's (even with in house movements) for so little....and it's because they know they will make their money on the back end of the transaction.
My understanding was that ETA wasn't going to sell parts to independent watch makers. I've been staying away from ETA powered watches because of this.
Even if that were the case, it really almost doesn't matter. If one were actually pressed, with so many ETA movements floating around, cannibalizing another watch for parts starts to make sense good sense. If one were really that worried about it, buying a spare ETA movement or two today to keep in reserve would also be a possibility.
+John Salevurakis True. I even wondered if you really go in a pinch if you could just use sw200 parts
Hey TGV, your Intros are really great and improve with every video!
Can't wait to see duel!
Keep up the great work!
Best regards Matthias
Thank you Matthias,
Best regards,
TGV
Really enjoyed seeing these two watches side by side, thank you for sharing.
Keep up the great work TGV! Loving your videos more and more. Love your intros now. Really looking great. This is the first time I've left a comment after watching CZcams for so many years. Says a lot about how impressed I am with your videos. :)
Thank you so much Rash, that really means a great deal to me.
I hope this will be the first of many comments,
Best regards,
TGV
Great duel! These are my favorite videos you produce
Another great duel video TGV. Thanks:)
Great video. I am much impressed with your skills editing and delivering.
Overall a great comparison. However you called the movement in the Black Bay a "standard" ETA. It is anything but standard. They started with the Top grade ETA movement and the Tudor modified that movement further. It is an incredibly reliable movement. The ETA BBs will only increase in value.
Thank you Paul for sharing that.
Best regards,
TGV
It is true. It isn't a std ETA or even elaborate ETA. What Tudor does is take the top grade ETA (which has all the compartments for COSC ETA) and Rolex modifies this up to 5 points i believe? My BB runs around 2 seconds a day, well within COSC specs (and even Rolex specs which are +5/-3). Nothing to sneeze at imo. I would give the movement an 8 instead of a 7. This isn't your normal ETA.
Bro you are delusional .... eta sucks balls ... they are very cheap and bad movements .... the seiko even has a better movement. The new movements are million times better
@@andyreiter6253 Some of the highest end watches, beyond Rolex, have used various models of modified ETA movements. I own both watches in this video, and a GS snowflake. The top grade 2824-2 has a proven track record for reliability.
@@michieltummers1303 Rolex specs are +-2 sec per day
Definitely another great video! Big brother vs younger brother!! Personally my favorite duel video from you.
Thank you for your videos, I got into watches this year and after binge watching your content and after acquiring an SKX007 and a SARB033, I've caught the bug!
My Tudor Black Bay Red with the ETA is coming in the mail soon and I'm unbelievably excited!
Keep up the good work to steer newbies like myself towards real watches and away from fashion brands.
Great review, bought the inhouse Tudor Heritage for my collection. Your advice has been invaluable in starting my collection !
Please do a review on the in-house Black Bay vs Rolex!
That intro though, daaamn TGV got the intro skills looking 10/10 now
Thank you Ben, too kind! :D
Best regards,
TGV
Excellent duel TGV! Two icons face to face! Keep the good work, cheers!!!
Thank you my friend :D
Best regards,
TGV
Still really like your old videos that helped me through difficult times by giving me some distraction and inspired me to create my own little channel! AND: I‘ve finally added the burgundy ETA BB to my collection (so my BB Chrono isn’t alone anymore). Keep up the great work. Greetings from Germany
Great video and a gorgeous intro :) keep up the good job.
Best wishes
Thank you Markus,
Best regards,
TGV
the best comparison between these two that ive ever seen.
Thank you Brian, very kind.
Best regards,
TGV
Hey TGV, I saw you on the street yesterday, I hope I did not scare you, but I could not let the chance go to acknowledge your work. I am a huge fan of what you do. Thank you for the all your posts.
Tiago! Nice to put a name to the face. Very nice to meet you too, thank you so much for the support. Are you on the Facebook? Next month I am planning a get-together here in Astoria of patrons and fans of the channel. It would be great meet you properly and chat watches.
Will keep you posted.
Thanks again,
Best regards,
TGV
Great video TGV! Really enjoyed this one 👍
Thank you! So glad! :D
Best regards,
TGV
This video is outstanding. And I am very much enjoying your growth since making this your profession. Your love for Tudor shows clearly but your professionalism and duty to give a fair comparison with the facts you had available make your judgement valid and for an independent one, credible. I would not be surprised if Tudor were to someday thank you for assisting in the boost of their marketing.
Also watching you read from notes to ensure minimal "slips" , deserves a huge Thank You from us whom not only view but value your opinions and sometimes depend on your words when making a purchase. Keep up the good work and other than the vids with you and Fed, please consider more vids on your life, thoughts and being a true gentleman.
I honestly think that you are great. I recently started watching your channel, because I myself am in love with watches and think your advice is awesome. Rock on, TGV!
Thank you so much Francis, very kind of you to say and I am deeply honoured. It is people like you that are the reason I make videos.
Best regards,
TGV
Brilliant video!! Keep them coming :-)
I've made the mistake before thinking that became a watch cost more that I'd like it more. I purchased a Omega Planet Ocean titanium (with a retail price on Omega's site of $8,000) I ended up selling the PO and purchasing an Omega SMP ceramic (retailing at $4400 on Omega's website) I find myself enjoying the SMP so much more! Just because you pay more money for a watch doesn't mean it's going to have that special something that makes you put it on everyday. Thought I'd share that with you watch lovers. If you can love a watch that cost half the price, their is nothing wrong with it.
Great video! On your classifications, how about changing 'design' to 'functionality', might clear up the confusion with the 'style' classification. Looking forward to the next video!
Great idea, I will certainly think about it.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
I love the intro! Excellent video TGV.
Thank you Ryan,
Best regards,
TGV
TGV ..... Keep Rocking...... Once's again startup music.... N video editing... N of course watch review..... Excellent Work....!!👍🏻
Thank you Ketan, very kind.
Best regards,
TGV
Bought exactly both this month 😂Love both a lot!
Cool Video, thanks!
Greets from Germany
Jule Johanna Can we be friends ;) Congrats and enjoy!
Excellent review! Still yearning for the 16610LV Submariner, but the good news is, when I'm ready for the Blackbay, it'll have that in-house MT5602 with a 70 hour powerreserve. Well done, TGV!
Fantastic video. Really enjoyed this comparison. Two of the best watches available today. Cheers, TGV!
Thank you Jack, so glad, and I totally agree, I didn't even think of that but very true! Spot on.
Best regards,
TGV
Always excited to see a new video Tristano. Too bad the new video notification doesn't work.
Thank you, sorry to hear that, youtube sometimes does that, to me too!
Very annoying but glad you got here regardless,
Best regards,
TGV
This intro got me as hyped as a UFC promo. Great work TGV!
LOL, Get ready to rumble!!
Thank you Fahim,
Best regards,
TGV
Great review and the intro was top class.
Thank you Josh!
Best regards,
TGV
omega seamaster 300 vs rolex sub vs tudor black bay which order would you put these in?
I’ve recently bought the in house BB and I love it. It’s unbelievable value for money and actually available to buy. Also it keeps perfect time. I think it’s even more accurate than my DateJust 41.
By the way, the Sub score is 96.
Great video as always.
Nice duel !
I really like your introductions with the watches turning ... what do you use to make that ?
Anyway, looking forward to the next video :-)
Nice video. Would like to see you review the BB inhouse pls.
Hey TGV I am looking to acquire an oris aquis date 40mm grey dial and bezel but they are no longer on jomashop, do you recommend a different seller?
Best regards,
Alfonzo
eBay?
Great choice of epic intro duel music :)
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
huh he replied im so excited
Editing on all his vids is tight.
Great video as always! How about a duel between the Rolex GMT Master II and it's price-point rival, the Omega Seamaster 600m GMT?
great informative video I never new. so much about watches.
Love your videos watched this because I'm debating this exact question of whether or not I should spend the extra on a sub. But dam man you need to make a few short videos too lol
Just picked up the Tudor featured in this comparison. The Tudor just seems to exude more class and the design is just different enough to stand on its own. Love the Tudor rose after spending many years in Europe and traveling to the UK gaining a historical appreciation for the symbolism. It’s a little thinner than its 2016 successor and really is the goldilocks of the genre in my humble opinion. Fantastic everyday watch that I won’t be bothered if it gets a little weathered. Great video TGV!
Great review, i tried on the tudors yesterday pelagos and black bay... I have a pre-ceramic sub and thought they were a but too similar for me. Nice though, shame they dont do a GMT as thats what im really after now. Love your pepsi.... Thats one that I have loved for years and hopefully will get soon.
Hi,TGV
I have a ceramic submariner myself but struggle to get a tool to remove the strap - could you point me in the right direction so I can start considering putting it on a Nato.
regards
Phil
Another great video, TGV! One thing people often overlook in the ceramic v aluminum bezel debate is cost of repair. While an aluminum bezel is easier to damage, it is also easy and cheap to replace the insert. A ceramic is less likely to be damaged, but it's not indestructible. Repairing one is quite expensive. That aspect almost comes down to personal preference.
Very true, so considering this, both have their pros and cons, comes down to preference I guess.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Great video !
People complain about tag however the Aquaracer has the same movement as the Tudor however the tag has ceramic bezel and 300m and comes in a lot cheaper . I understand the Tudor has that heritage and "romance" factor so can see the appeal . Great work though!
Great video as usual!
Ever going to give us your insight as to where to buy used watches? Ebay etc..
Saw your video on what to look for in used watches, would like to know where you and others go for used watches.
Thanks
a duel between and rolex submariner and the tudor pelagos would be very interesting and, I would imagine, a closer run race
I just caught myself unintentionally trying to say the ending 'ciao' in unison with you again :)
LOL :D
Love it!
Thank you Paulus.
Best regards,
TGV
Nice video. In my view, the Submariner is the greatest wristwatch in history. The Tudor Black Bay actually looks very nice on the distressed leather strap it comes with.
Another great video from the Lion. Your becoming the King of the wrist watch CZcams jungle.
Very flattered, too kind sir. Thank you ND.
Best regards,
TGV
He already is
THE BEST ROLEX FH956
TGV great vid as always! One question: what do you think about working out or training with a "tool watch" like the tudor or the subby? Surely they could take the abuse and shock of the gym or let's say a triathlon? Cheers!
Fantastic duel! The BB fought well, but the ceramic Sub it's pretty unbeatable, I just love that piece so much.
I just hope I'll own both these pieces with the difference of the BB, because I prefer the blue, and I'll probably go in house.
Really, great work indeed.
Best regards,
Michele.
Such a hard fought battle. I think you got it right, the Tudor has that vintage look and appeal to it that is hard to put a finger on. Loved the duel but I think I'd pick the Sub for the Prestige & Heritage. Ciao!
Excellent review video! Having own both the Tudor Black Bay and the Rolex sub 16013, I have to said I love both. You cant be wrong with either one. I would say which one suit your budget best then that is the one to go for. Tudor has indeed successfully created an "affordable Rolex" for the market with its own DNA.
Great vid as always, my wife hates our (expensive) hobby lol, but enjoys your channel as do I. Keep up with the great work mate!
LOL Thank you, very kind.
Best regards,
TGV
Which one would I like to wear everyday ? The Tudor !
Good point.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Two good watches by the same parent company, Rolex wins in the criteria that you measured the two watches. Why? Because the Gov.'nor says so. That intro is simply stupendous, I really enjoyed this video!
amazing video man
Thank you Jude :D
Very kind,
Best regards,
TGV
Wow the new camera is working great!
im looking at getting the tudor black bay GMT with the in house movement would you really think it would be a good buy over all
The Omega SMP ceramic/Black Bay duel would have been something. I'd choose the SMP over the black bay any day personally.
I though that too, I recently tried on both the Black Bay and SMP and found the Tudor to came across as far better built. I don't know if it was an over used display model but the SMP had the worst bezel action I've ever seen, it had massive play in it and didn't even line up at 12 correctly. Although it has an inferior insert the Tudor bezel action is impeccable. I preferred the Tudor bracelet too, the SMP is legendary for its comfort but it's very fussy and outdated looking imo.
I also tried on the new Seamaster 300 and it's quality was in a completely different league to both.
Great Video. A Submariner with red dial and bezel would be amazing. I would love to see a battle Seiko SARB033 vs your Tudor Day Date :)
OMG! YESSSSSS!!!! I would sell both of these in a heartbeat to buy it.
SARB vs Tudor DD, very interesting, very cool indeed. I certainly will think about it.
Thank you.
Best regards,
TGV
Good review, can't afford either one. How would you compare a Seiko SKX 173 to the high end ones. I don't dive but I do Kayak and Fish and would like a good sturdy dependable tool.
Thank you Das, love the SKX173, perfect for fishing and Kayaking, certainly would be an interesting duel.
Best regards,
TGV
I have just recently started watching your channel and really enjoy the info that you present as well as your appreciation of the history of timepieces. Two questions have arisen while I have watched that you or a veteran fan can inform me on:
Of all the manufacturers reviewed, I have not heard mention of Tag Heuer. Any reason for this? I am curious since my collection base piece is a TAG Aquaracer, and I really love that piece.
Second, I am currently living in Japan (specifically Okinawa). Do you or anyone have tips on either venues or brands to take advantage of while I am here? You mentioned buying in Japan on several occasions and I am thinking of trying to add some Seikos or Orient Stars to my collection. I appreciate any feedback if any of you have experience buying here.
Can you get the oris divers 65 in for review? I think a dual between the oris and Tudor would be a good video.
Ooh Arhh exactly, I hope TGV would make one for the divers 65. For me it's, a divers watch that has a character of its own.
Ooh Arhh - Totally agree. Would also love to see the Bulova Moon Watch review. Wonderful watch.
What is your recommendation where to get a pre-own Rolex?
Hi and contrats for your vidéos.
I have a question. I ´m thinking about buying my first diver. What would recommend between the longines Hydroconquest 41mm blue and the newest Hamilton khaki navy frogman 42mm blue model? I have a USD 1100 budget and they are both on the same range of'quality aren't they, unless'you have another model to suggest.
thanks in advance and once again congrats for you youtube channel
Awesome video TGV!!!, Great intro, Keep 'em coming!
If you had to choose between the new Hulk sub or Black sub, which subby would you choose??
Thank you so much!
Hmmm, maybe the Hulk, just because it is so different.
Apart from the Alpinist, never had a Green watch, I think it would be fun.
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry Thanks TGV, looking forward to the next one.
Very fair review. I have to say that I love both Watches! Great value on the Black Bay and the Sub speaks for itself.
Thank you sir! Very kind.
Best regards,
TGV
Hi tgv, great vid and a great duel, no surprise that the suby take it but would take a lot to beat, hmmm what would beat the sub in that price range, maybe one for you to answer lol, all the best my friend, Ryan. ONWARDS AND UPWARDS.
Perfect comparison. I have been obsessing about the Rolex Submariner all my adult life. The Rolex purchase has always been pushed aside due to its higher cost. In its place I have purchased and kept an Omega Seamaster, an Omega Speedmaster, countless Tissots and a pile of Citizens and a few Seikos. I've been eyeing the obvious alternative, the Tudor Black Bay. I will be purchasing a brand new 2015 Tudor Black Bay with in house movement for just a bit under $6,000 Canadian dollars. For me this will be a very much welcomed and cherished addition to my collection. I'm genuinely appreciate your review TGV! With this review you've basically sealed the deal on this watch, I'll be picking up this watch in Vancouver in January 2017! The Rolex can wait a bit longer :-)
Many thanks to you for your review, awesome job!!!
Sincerely,
Benjamin M W 😃👍
Eggs Benny - If you want a fun watch with terrific history, try the Bulova Moon Watch. Incredible watch for minimal money.
Eggs Benny
TGV, how about renaming the "Design" category to an unambiguous word like "Utility" or "Function"? That way you don't have to explain every time you do a review, which I've noticed on 4 or 5 occasions now I think.
Hope this suggestion is helpful! As always, I love the enthusiasm and knowledgeability of the reviews and I'm planning on getting that Tudor for my next purchase! Ciao! ☺😊😆
Both lovely,lovely watches.Tudor are so underrated and it is a great watch for the money.However,we all know the Submariner is an absolute icon,whether with the date,or not.
Love your video,even if I have been late in catching up with it ! Keep well and stay safe.
I really enjoyed the video,the Rolex is very beautiful. I'm also very impressed by the Black Bay and have been thinking about buying one with the new in house movement. When you can get one to review I'll be keen to hear your opinions. When I look at the Rolex though I wonder if I'd be happier in the long run to save more money and buy one instead. I really like the no date version of the Submariner,the one thing I don't like about any Rolex is the cyclops. I'd like to see a comparison between your Submariner and an Omega Seamaster 300m master coaxial. Two high end rival companies head to head.
Great video, TGV. Would love to see the reigning champ take on the new 25600 Tudor Pelagos.
Thank you, DYING to duel the Pelagos, I will see if I can get my hands on one.
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry ...it's currently on my radar. Afraid I'd have to get rid of a couple to get one though. My biggest hesitation is the height of the case. I'm not a big fan of cases larger that 13mm tall. But it's such a looker! I think that it is unique enough that it could become the modern Sub and appeal to the younger generations.
I'm trying my new BB on while watching your vid. Loving both (the watch and the vid). Does wearing the BB makes you want to eat dark chocolate and drink wine? Or is it just me who have this weird way to link a watch with food or certain experience?
Very cool video! Black Bay Red is probably one of the best looking watches - there is one in Bronze, which is marvelous!
Excellent video, as usual! I really enjoyed! :)
What will be my choice in this case? Tudor. :)
It's similar situation when I choose the Glycine on one of Your previous videos :) I never underestimate brands like ROLEX, but I prefer diver watches with cleaner line, with more simple, but nice styled and designed image.
Thanks again for Your reviews! :)
i choose the BB, im a sucker for the design of the tudor for like 2 years now :) I do love the Lex also btw (y)
Now that the new Tudor movement is COSC certified and has a longer power reserve than the Sub, it would be interesting to see a rematch
The chess board is a very nice touch .I also feel that you have upgraded your entire camera setup and have gotten soo much better in editing as well.
Keep it up!!!
Thank you, I have indeed made a few upgrades.
Best regards,
TGV
Top quality fantastic as ever Tristano!
Grazie fratello, Sempre Avanti! ;-)
Best regards,
TGV
+The Urban Gentry Sempre 😉
Any idea on when the in-house movement is going to hit stores?
Found a NOS blue Tudor Black Bay...took it over the in-house movement because ROSE and SMILEY...love it.
Congrats, a rose and a smile, what more could you want!??! Cheaper and easier to service too ;-)
Enjoy it sir and wear it with pride.
Best regards,
TGV
I just rewatched this cos I've owned the black bay (with the in-house movement) for a couple of months now and I gotta say, I'd give it a 10/10 for the x factor. There's just something about it. And I do get a lot of compliments on this timepiece. Anyway, still a great comparison.
Love the Review TGV. The two watches on the chessboard is a nice touch. Rolex all day for mine of those two.Just can't match the build quality, performance, prestige and re-sale IMO. Would love to see some sort of Chrono battle. Omega Speedmaster Professional v ??? All the very best and loving the channel.
Actually I have a really cool chromo duel coming up soon I think you will enjoy ;-)
Thank you my friend, your support is always greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
TGV
Great Review TGV.. I think Tudor & Rolex should give you some free shares!!! And to answer your last question, I've decided with the Sinn!! Thanks for your opinion! Regards: BMJ ENGLAND.
Really enjoyed your presentation as always Tristano. I love your channel. Thank you! Regarding your comparison, I personally think there is no chance for the Tudor to compete on any level with the Submariner. To be fair, I would recommend you include the price in your comparison. One important reason someone would chose the Tudor over the Sub is simply the fact that it is more affordable. Anyway from my perspective two great watches.
Thank you Alexander, duly noted, however my UGWG members spoke and I delivered ;-)
I guess the Pelagos will be a more interesting match right?
Best regards,
TGV
Love the no crown guards look on the bb.
A duel between the LLD & the 65 Diver would be pretty neat.
The outcome was never in doubt but i would have to disagree about their value. I'd call them even.
Great duel vid as usual. Might just be me but I am really struggling with the Tudor with an ETA at the price. For me it does not come much above my C Ward Trident. Think it is the bezel that just does not match the price tag or it may just be that the Rolex looks so much better it does not do the Tudor justice.
TGV with four 9's in the score of the Sub the total should be 96?
I'm very lucky to have a Sea-Dweller 2000 Mark 0 from 1978 "The Great White" it was my 21st Birthday present from my parents. When I had it last serviced by Rolex it had to go back to HQ in Switzerland & took 17 weeks to get back on my wrist!
I felt naked without it.
Best wishes
Terry AKA Tezza150
can u please review the maurice lacroix pontos s and pontos diver
TGV, I think that you had the insight during the video: Tudor brand is targeted at Omega, with similar pricing. The watches have been designed and priced to not challenge Rolex (which is good brand management by Rolex Co.).
Franck Marzilli
Here here. Very true.
Good comparison. Any chance of getting a BB bronze for a review??
I didn't use to like that vintage look but I must admit it is definitely starting to grow on me