I forgot to make a video about this $150,000 server

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 27. 04. 2024
  • Get 20% off DeleteMe US consumer plans when you go to joindeleteme.com/LinusTechTips and use promo code LTT at checkout.
    DeleteMe International Plans: international.joindeleteme.com/
    Get 35% off a UGREEN NASync 4800 Plus at bit.ly/3vbbqd7 (40% OFF on 3.26 8am -28 8am PDT) (up to 35% OFF 3.28-5.9)
    During a round of spring cleaning we found a heavy box with an expensive surprise, Optane!
    Discuss on the forum: linustechtips.com/topic/15644...
    ► GET MERCH: lttstore.com
    ► GET EXCLUSIVE CONTENT ON FLOATPLANE: lmg.gg/lttfloatplane
    ► SPONSORS, AFFILIATES, AND PARTNERS: lmg.gg/partners
    ► EQUIPMENT WE USE TO FILM LTT: lmg.gg/LTTEquipment
    ► OUR WAN PODCAST GEAR: lmg.gg/wanset
    FOLLOW US
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Twitter: / linustech
    Facebook: / linustech
    Instagram: / linustech
    TikTok: / linustech
    Twitch: / linustech
    MUSIC CREDIT
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Intro: Laszlo - Supernova
    Video Link: • [Electro] - Laszlo - S...
    iTunes Download Link: itunes.apple.com/us/album/sup...
    Artist Link: / laszlomusic
    Outro: Approaching Nirvana - Sugar High
    Video Link: • Sugar High - Approachi...
    Listen on Spotify: spoti.fi/UxWkUw
    Artist Link: / approachingnirvana
    Intro animation by MBarek Abdelwassaa / mbarek_abdel
    Monitor And Keyboard by vadimmihalkevich / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/PgGWp
    Mechanical RGB Keyboard by BigBrotherECE / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/mj6pHk4
    Mouse Gamer free Model By Oscar Creativo / CC BY 4.0 geni.us/Ps3XfE
    CHAPTERS
    ---------------------------------------------------
    0:00 - Intro
    1:05 - UGREEN!
    1:27 - LTT Intro
    1:33 - Optane Refresher
    2:47 - Memory Mode
    3:40 - Memory Mode Example
    5:55 - App Direct Mode
    7:12 - A Quick Rant About MoBo Settings
    8:30 - Storage Mode/Mixed Mode
    12:13 - Why Optane Died
    17:52 - DeleteMe!
    18:45 - Outro
  • Věda a technologie

Komentáře • 1,8K

  • @LinusTechTips
    @LinusTechTips  Před měsícem +4629

    Let's play a game. It's called "let's see how many people read the pinned comment before scrolling down to make their own".
    We knew we had it, but it was a low priority because Optane's use-cases were few and far between and it faded from relevance shortly after our first video.
    Intel didn't ask for it back because of the same reasons.
    Also.. Please... This isn't hardware we bought, nor does it have any actual value. Engineering sample components - especially storage - gets shredded once they are sent back to to the manufacturer anyway. No starving kids were denied access to a 6TB RAM server.
    The "we forgot" is just a fun hook for the video because I stubbed my toe on the box in the warehouse a little while ago and thought "hey, oh yeah this thing.. maybe it would be a good vehicle for a video on what the heck happened to Optane"
    In a nutshell: Relax, guy.
    Also at 2:41 we forgot a zero and should have said 50GB x 120 = 6TB
    Linus

    • @SamNolan1
      @SamNolan1 Před měsícem +344

      Oh 21 seconds ago.... anyways side note. A spring cleaning video once a year would be pretty cool :D

    • @damustermann
      @damustermann Před měsícem +129

      I hope you had safety sandals on.

    • @Swedishchef11
      @Swedishchef11 Před měsícem +14

      So, should I change my spinning discs to cheap optane?

    • @ramiwen2887
      @ramiwen2887 Před měsícem

      hey

    • @thecrazycat8745
      @thecrazycat8745 Před měsícem +13

      it's ok linus, next time just don't stub your toe

  • @diego7399
    @diego7399 Před měsícem +6028

    I also always forget my $150.000 server

    • @opposedscroll7596
      @opposedscroll7596 Před měsícem +234

      Hate it when that happens

    • @Jesus-father
      @Jesus-father Před měsícem +36

      me too 😔

    • @DJYoutube312
      @DJYoutube312 Před měsícem +51

      Same, it’s always in my laundry room cupboard

    • @MasterCraft_48
      @MasterCraft_48 Před měsícem +37

      I always wondered why I was in debt

    • @bknighty28
      @bknighty28 Před měsícem +14

      This is how things you don't own get sold at a company. Honestly Linus transparency is nice but just do yourself a favor and avoid the target and leave stuff like that out of the video..

  • @unknownguy6402
    @unknownguy6402 Před měsícem +2511

    Hi Linus, Intel here: Can I have my server back that we sent and lost three years ago... DM for the return delivery address :D

    • @aaronrdaniels
      @aaronrdaniels Před měsícem +165

      Intel u owe me a 10900k still, that RMA process was not user error.

    • @tomihawk01
      @tomihawk01 Před měsícem +41

      No, I'm Intel. And so is my wife.

    • @ethanegbertno741
      @ethanegbertno741 Před měsícem +11

      Intel you still need to give me that 14900k

    • @raghavawasthi9593
      @raghavawasthi9593 Před měsícem +14

      intel, you forgot to refund me my $300,000, when are you going to do?

    • @Cimlite
      @Cimlite Před měsícem +11

      I am Sparta... _whoops, I meant..._ Intel! Yes, I am Intel.

  • @jp-ny2pd
    @jp-ny2pd Před měsícem +248

    The Optane Persistent Memory was really good for databases where you had a large amount of random RW IOPS. It was still just WAY too expensive for what it was though.

    • @fish3977
      @fish3977 Před měsícem +11

      I wonder if the price was an "inherent issue" with the technology or due to economics of scale

    • @ashtonhoward5582
      @ashtonhoward5582 Před měsícem +7

      ​@@fish3977 I feel like it's always economies of scale. I doubt it's particularly exotic under the hood, just different enough to need new manufacturing lines.

    • @djordje1999
      @djordje1999 Před měsícem +1

      it's cheaper to buy more servers and scale horizontally and you will get much higher IOPS.. ofc if you are using distributed database..

    • @jp-ny2pd
      @jp-ny2pd Před měsícem

      @@djordje1999 When it came out it was a pretty unique thing for a while. But essentially yeah, a year or two later you could just slap NVMe's in a bunch of servers and shard/fragment/split the workload. Optane still good for latency like they demonstrated but I just never saw much of a need for it. I don't think most workloads are sensitive enough to tell the difference between 10ms and 1ms latency. If it is you just throw terabytes of real ram at it now and solve the persistency issue another way.

    • @TheDemocrab
      @TheDemocrab Před 29 dny

      @@fish3977Partially economies of scale, partially Intel trying the same con they tried once with Rambus again. (Trying to use their market domination to break in a new memory tech with a tonne of patent baggage which means any companies not in on the con are very reluctant to try and figure out manufacturing the stuff unless they have to.)
      It's a real shame honestly, if it became a true standard free from any single company then it'd have a whole range of uses across the board. Even on my main desktop I wouldn't mind getting a 128GB PCIe drive to use as a dedicated swap device; the latency means it'd be faster than anything else used for swap even much newer NVMe SSDs, the write endurance would benefit that kind of usage and the non-volatility would allow it to remain suitable for hibernation and the like.

  • @DanielFSmith
    @DanielFSmith Před měsícem +58

    FYI: a cryptographic erase doesn't do any (significant) writes: it just erases the key and assumes an adversary will be unable to retrieve the old encrypted data.

    • @thewiirocks
      @thewiirocks Před 27 dny +1

      I think their point is that the system will have to refill that RAM on every boot, which requires a lot more writing than a storage drive that would just keep it around.

  • @wesselm180
    @wesselm180 Před měsícem +1587

    00:28 That's a big write off you got there.

    • @MasterCraft_48
      @MasterCraft_48 Před měsícem +70

      The IRS forgot about the 150k server too

    • @user-fe8hp6jv9f
      @user-fe8hp6jv9f Před měsícem +69

      Waiting for another 20 min segment of Linus raging on the WAN show.

    • @TheCasualSubculturist
      @TheCasualSubculturist Před měsícem +4

      Fuck.. you got here first.

    • @Perseca
      @Perseca Před měsícem +56

      "Why do we still have this server, Linus?"
      "Take a guess, Luke."
      "Because you can write it off?"
      "Because I can write it off."

    • @Mrmcfastman
      @Mrmcfastman Před měsícem +4

      Glad to see someone else read between the lines

  • @Kaenguruu
    @Kaenguruu Před měsícem +1445

    With Motherboard BIOSs it's like with tutorials for port forwarding: "You just open you routers thingie and then I can't help you because every one has a different idea of where to put it"

    • @sweet.2881
      @sweet.2881 Před měsícem +63

      SUCH A GOOD COMPARISON

    • @ChucklesTheChicken
      @ChucklesTheChicken Před měsícem +3

      lmao so true

    • @GameCyborgCh
      @GameCyborgCh Před měsícem +35

      or PSU manufacturers uses different pinouts on their power supplies, not even within the same model now

    • @Smokex365
      @Smokex365 Před měsícem +29

      That's also assuming they even still call it ports. AT&T when I worked for them insisted on calling them pinholes. That was annoying as hell having to translate between their stupid kb articles (which any of the untrained techs would adhere to) and the actual naming.

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou Před měsícem

      That sounds like the horizontal shuffle too.

  • @maxwvm7345
    @maxwvm7345 Před měsícem +31

    0:58 Doing firefly dirty here... ye may take my home take my land tell me where I cannot stand.. but with this crazy ass PC I will be serenity

  • @4RILDIGITAL
    @4RILDIGITAL Před měsícem +197

    The insights about Intel's optane were really informative. It's fascinating how something so remarkable could flop in the market due to timing and competition.

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K Před měsícem +22

      The pricing did not help either. It was super expensive. Even now the only PCIe 4.0 Optane model you can buy (P5800X) costs you a nice $800+ used for mere 400GB.
      Not to mention Intel's stupid decision to keep it to themselves and not license the technology out to other manufacturers,. They could be making a buck on every Optane sold for decades. Instead they are now stuck with half a billion dollar inventory most people dont want.

    • @sbrazenor2
      @sbrazenor2 Před 27 dny

      They entirely forgot that Optane isn't actually dead, but now a spun off company named Solidigm.

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K Před 27 dny

      @@sbrazenor2Optane - is dead. The SSD division than intel sold is called Solidigm. Two different things.
      Optane was the marketing name. 3DXpoint was the technology name and "Phase Change Memory" was the technology itself.
      Theoretically someone else could develop something based on this technology in the future.

  • @Sageofthewhisper
    @Sageofthewhisper Před měsícem +485

    I vacuumed my rug and when I went to clean out the vacuum I found seven of these that I had forgotten about.

    • @megapro125
      @megapro125 Před měsícem +20

      You won't believe what I found in my basement last weekend. 5 floor-to-ceiling packed pallets with sealed optane drives. That's 3 more pallets than I found two days earlier in the basement.

  • @PhilipUlrich
    @PhilipUlrich Před měsícem +1141

    I almost made a joke about Linus needing to make this video so he could write off the expense.. but I didn’t want to hear him go on that rant during the WAN show again. 😂

    • @918Boyz
      @918Boyz Před měsícem +35

      if that division is gone and they liquidated inventory then he has to do the vid this fiscal quarter. Now it has a business purpose and likely keeps it from being a $150k gift. 😂😂😂

    • @Senthiuz
      @Senthiuz Před měsícem +2

      HMRC isn't going to let them just expense a $150,000 server, gotta capitalize and depreciate.

    • @jasenrock
      @jasenrock Před měsícem

      Your not that special

    • @undercatviper
      @undercatviper Před měsícem +2

      We might get cheap screwdrivers tho

    • @lawrencejob
      @lawrencejob Před měsícem +3

      @@Senthiuz it's a bit outside of their jurisdiction

  • @DaSyEnTisT
    @DaSyEnTisT Před měsícem +69

    I know a couple of SQL instances that would loooooove that precious ram !!

    • @trustytrojan
      @trustytrojan Před měsícem +6

      love how everyone is saying this 😂 makes sense considering most sql dbs are just huge hashtables

  • @nekomakhea9440
    @nekomakhea9440 Před měsícem +55

    Crackhead idea: what if you use that optane server as a cache the entirety of your video server for a Blazingly Faster(tm) video editing experience? Or a stupidly fast Steam cache for the LAN party center?

    • @Tungil90
      @Tungil90 Před měsícem +3

      Well for 4k video 6tb probably is not enough, as I suppose they have multiple editors working at once. But the steam cache is probably a good idea! However networking will limit the speed substantially, I think... And latency is not a benefit if you just want to grab 120gb of the newest cod...? Hm just thinking out loud. What do you think?

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 Před měsícem +8

      floatplane cache....

  • @SuperGeekTime
    @SuperGeekTime Před měsícem +761

    i found two of those lying around in my garage yesterday

    • @urmom1144
      @urmom1144 Před měsícem +27

      same found a couple in my cats bed

    • @EkiToji
      @EkiToji Před měsícem +18

      I should check inside my GameCube.

    • @G89-
      @G89- Před měsícem +6

      Yeah, my dog sniffed one up too
      Don't know how he trained for that though...

    • @Melovi
      @Melovi Před měsícem +8

      Accidentally choked on one while eating breakfast

    • @reililithbob5541
      @reililithbob5541 Před měsícem +6

      I can’t go to a yard sale without tripping over a couple

  • @tehkast
    @tehkast Před měsícem +502

    That one guy at optain tryign to save the incoming closure "I swear LTT said they will be making a video will give us the exposure we need just wait" ...

    • @ChristianStout
      @ChristianStout Před měsícem +41

      RIP in peace to that guy

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x Před měsícem +21

      ​@@ChristianStout Rest In Peace in Peace? LoL

    • @Alejandro192011
      @Alejandro192011 Před měsícem +13

      ​@@nocturn9x Don't you mean lol out loud?

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x Před měsícem

      @@Alejandro192011🤣

    • @lnfinyx
      @lnfinyx Před měsícem

      yea, lol= lol out loud, so that means lol out loud out loud which means lol out loud out loud out loud, etc etc etc
      @@Alejandro192011

  • @SRVZephyr
    @SRVZephyr Před měsícem +13

    That Firefly joke is cruel and unusual. Time to go rewatch it I guess

  • @anonymeperson4193
    @anonymeperson4193 Před měsícem +18

    now that you mention youtube thumbnails, one of the best things i ever did was download a browser extension called de-arrow, that essentially changes every youtube title and thumbnail to either a community submitted frame from the video and title or just a random frame and removes all caps from it.

  • @nicolocatanese3477
    @nicolocatanese3477 Před měsícem +306

    Yeah sure, i just store my 200k servers in my attic.
    Forget them all the time
    I feel you linus

    • @LinusTechTips
      @LinusTechTips  Před měsícem +122

      we are kin -LS

    • @misamsy3482
      @misamsy3482 Před měsícem +1

      no other reply let me fix that

    • @abyananas6227
      @abyananas6227 Před měsícem +1

      No other "other" reply, let me fix that.

    • @NarikGaming
      @NarikGaming Před měsícem +2

      No other "other "other"" reply. I will fix nothing

    • @norpse9370
      @norpse9370 Před měsícem

      Must be nice to afford an attic after buying one of these, I could only afford a basement. Fml

  • @Arafenion
    @Arafenion Před měsícem +132

    That cruel firefly reference opened some wounds... not shiny

  • @majd2
    @majd2 Před měsícem +4

    I love linus (or the editors) ability to explain complex high tech stuff in such nice and simple way...underrated skills..good job guys

  • @LokiCDK
    @LokiCDK Před měsícem +11

    Postgresql database server with caching enabled. There's some optane benchmarks I want to see.

  • @Jehty21
    @Jehty21 Před měsícem +157

    It's crazy that just such a short time ago Optane was praised as this "holy grail" and desirable thing.
    And then suddenly it disappeared and now no one is talking about anymore.

    • @Derpalerpa
      @Derpalerpa Před měsícem +11

      Kinda makes me sad honestly.

    • @AndyMitchellUK26
      @AndyMitchellUK26 Před měsícem +40

      It didn't help that like Linus mentioned, they locked it down to only making sense when paired with their top tier CPUs. It didn't make sense having 1TB support when like mentioned, you could easily just buy 1TB of server RAM anyway. They also didn't help themselves in the consumer space by locking it down to only working on Optane approved motherboards (which meant it locked out AMD CPU users from using it as it was intended). Proprietary tech is not always good and this proved it, even if it was good.

    • @WayStedYou
      @WayStedYou Před měsícem +4

      Another on the pile of dead intel promises

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 Před měsícem

      there are other 3d nand alternatives that got way more support from the OEMs.
      I think it's called CXL

    • @FTreba
      @FTreba Před měsícem +6

      like Linus said, it was too little, too late. It was the coolest sh*t at the time of its inception, but by the time it
      showed up on the shelves, you could buy all the RAM you'll ever need for $200 and gen 4 SSDs that will outlive the heat death of the universe at about the same price. And as such, there is simply no point.

  • @GhostSniper1204
    @GhostSniper1204 Před měsícem +225

    2:41 that math ain't mathing

    • @urgay1992
      @urgay1992 Před měsícem +40

      Only off by one order of magnitude, I call that close enough.

    • @TenForceFalls
      @TenForceFalls Před měsícem +22

      I was making sure I also wasn’t insane. I even opened my calculator

    • @phoenix9531
      @phoenix9531 Před měsícem +3

      ​@@TenForceFallsThe insert is wrong. He says it correctly 10 seconds prior.

    • @-lolus-
      @-lolus- Před měsícem +2

      @@phoenix9531 well, the text shows 6TB soo still incorect

    • @Preske
      @Preske Před měsícem +14

      you expect math from the same people who forgot a 150k server?

  • @TheBibliofilus
    @TheBibliofilus Před měsícem +22

    I bet Wendell would do some really weird homebrew AI with it, if it got lost down in Kentucky...

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 Před měsícem

      Wendell has access to boards of optane. Moore the merrier.

  • @billy65bob
    @billy65bob Před měsícem +5

    6:00 I don't know how to do this, but... it should theoretically be possible to write a small C library you inject yourself to override how malloc works.
    Then you just do your own malloc on the octane drives, and failing that, forward to the base implementation.
    A mate of mine did something similar using an OpenGL extension to use VRAM as RAM.

  • @Cobinja
    @Cobinja Před měsícem +104

    0:57 Oh, that hurts. I'm a leaf on the wind.

    • @VivienFRENOT
      @VivienFRENOT Před měsícem +7

      Whatch how i soar

    • @KenS1267
      @KenS1267 Před měsícem +10

      Browncoats unite!

    • @black8ight
      @black8ight Před měsícem +4

      I will annualy leave a new comment there ... just for the sentimental value.

    • @A-Parently_Gaming
      @A-Parently_Gaming Před měsícem +4

      "Watch how I---" *squelch* *thunk*

    • @BennyColyn
      @BennyColyn Před měsícem +8

      Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal

  • @AusSkiller
    @AusSkiller Před měsícem +4

    0:58 Oof, that Firefly reference cuts deep.

  • @guility
    @guility Před měsícem +1

    That's actually impressively good for databases.
    Also, it fits surprisingly good to the lean Enterprise environment, where you don't yet need the distributed side of Enterprise, though having all the requirements on persistence.

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue Před měsícem +40

    10:23 Listen up thumbnail complainers! Your fate is in your hands! My money is on status quo because humans are predictable.

    • @time-alinge
      @time-alinge Před měsícem +2

      Jokes on them I use dearrow to change my thumbnails so I don't even have to complain as my thumbnails are never bad. So do something about it if you don't like the trends. Also are there that many complainers

    • @jajssblue
      @jajssblue Před měsícem

      ​@@time-alingeJust check out the LTT subreddit. It's often a cesspool of people who hate LTT for some reason. I feel like this topic is brought up constantly. Also see many comments on PCMR and Gamer's Nexus subreddits.

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K Před měsícem

      @@time-alingeSame. Also DeArrow user here. It also changes the video titles. I hate having to open a video to find out what it's about. Only to find out im not interested and close it. Honestly i could live with the thumbnails but i hate non descriptive/clickbait video titles. Imagine searching for a video on specific topic only to be greeted with clickbait titles.

    • @n_core
      @n_core Před měsícem

      @@Raivo_K For me it's the opposite. I used that extension before and it actually made me open each of the videos to find out what it's about. Because the thumbnail usually summarizes the whole video for me instead of a random frame from the video. Kinda counter productive you might say.

  • @FAB1150
    @FAB1150 Před měsícem +53

    2:41 the writer forgot a 0 :D

    • @benwu7980
      @benwu7980 Před měsícem +3

      50GBx12 = ?6TB oO , pretty basic fail.

    • @inherentlyflawed
      @inherentlyflawed Před měsícem +1

      @@benwu7980it’s a typo…

    • @inherentlyflawed
      @inherentlyflawed Před měsícem +2

      Also read the pinned comment, it specifically mentions you

    • @fish3977
      @fish3977 Před měsícem

      engagement farming /s

    • @tanmaypanadi1414
      @tanmaypanadi1414 Před měsícem

      ​@@inherentlyflawedThe original comment was 6 hour ago while the pinned comment came later so 🕳️

  • @AndrewMuraco
    @AndrewMuraco Před měsícem +4

    One use case that actually is engineered for the pmem mode of Optane is Aerospike, and you generally only use Aerospike in very specific industries but boy when it’s the right tool for the job it’s killer over other nosql solutions

  • @LCARSx32
    @LCARSx32 Před měsícem

    Since it showed up as an option ROM its likely a separate card that has that portion of the BIOS on it. Option ROMs are kinda like plugins but for your BIOS. Cards and periferals can supply an option ROM whenever they need to add functionality your BIOS doesn't have built in.

  • @Eli-zb2yj
    @Eli-zb2yj Před měsícem +44

    Imagine linus dropping the $150,000 server

    • @CanIHasThisName
      @CanIHasThisName Před měsícem +6

      It probably happened, they just didn't show it. Now, years later, it started working again mysteriously, so they made a video.

    • @GameCyborgCh
      @GameCyborgCh Před měsícem

      it's solid state, it'll be fine

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn Před měsícem +1

      @@GameCyborgCh
      Linus: Hold my beer

    • @79huddy
      @79huddy Před měsícem

      Him and the crew should get a couple bat's and go full office space on that server just for the giggles

  • @xHyperElectric
    @xHyperElectric Před měsícem +6

    I’m so glad the intros are back for good!

  • @latioseon7794
    @latioseon7794 Před měsícem +1

    I'm sad that Optane is gone as their Xpoint drives with their insane latency and endurance makes them a really good OS drive and seems like no one else has achieved those I/O speeds since and the crazy new innovations they came up with are really cool too

  • @chasesidaway
    @chasesidaway Před měsícem +2

    Absolutely no one, Linus we were going to do spring cleaning, but we found my missing $150,00 server, now for our segway to our sponsor.

  • @jeanotzubler2477
    @jeanotzubler2477 Před měsícem +36

    2:40 Somehow I don't think 12 floatplane exclusives times 50GB = 6TB... more like 600GB

    • @jperoutek
      @jperoutek Před měsícem +6

      stick says 512 gb on it

    • @fallenone4108
      @fallenone4108 Před měsícem +4

      Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.

    • @swiit1
      @swiit1 Před měsícem +4

      @@fallenone4108 I think they goofed in the script and just claimed each floatplane exclusive is 500gb (500*12 would be 6tb which would fit the "fit 12 floatplane exclusives in system ram" statement) All while showing text on the screen claiming each fp exclusive is 50gb not 500gb. confusing to say the least, but surely a single fp high bitrate exclusive isnt 500gb? then again, never watched one so for all i know theyre 8hrs long.

    • @ElNeroDiablo
      @ElNeroDiablo Před měsícem +1

      12 x 512GiB Optane sticks + 12 x 32GiB DDR4 sticks. That's 6528GiB (or 6.375TiB, since 1024 GiB = 1TiB) of memory.

    • @jeanotzubler2477
      @jeanotzubler2477 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@jperoutekI'm talking about the floatplane exclusives that he mentioned, not about the memory capacity

  • @Air377.
    @Air377. Před měsícem +14

    Rookie numbers. I forgot my 500k Nasa Computer in my basement. Found it today👍

  • @PrecludeLP
    @PrecludeLP Před měsícem +39

    If only you had demonstrated this tech right after receiving the hardware. LTT might have single-handedly saved Intel's Optane Division.
    /s

    • @MikVision
      @MikVision Před měsícem +1

      They are pretty irrelevant in the enterprise space. I can tell you as someone that worked in the data center.

    • @supersuede91
      @supersuede91 Před měsícem +5

      Bruh LTT is for gamers and noobs like me not professionals

  • @korumann
    @korumann Před měsícem

    It'd be fun to see more videos like this about products and projects that for one reason or another just didn't pan out.

  • @SinisterSlay1
    @SinisterSlay1 Před měsícem +21

    Died just when it would have got useful. LLMs and image generators need huge amounts of memory. To the point where it is semi common practice to just set a swap file on SSDs and just replace it every few months when it runs out of writes.

    • @cartoonhead9222
      @cartoonhead9222 Před měsícem +2

      That's pretty much why it died. People just resorted to using much cheaper storage as 'RAM'.

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn Před měsícem

      @@cartoonhead9222 In other words, it was too expensive for what it does.
      The question is, was it so expensive to manufacture, or did intel just want too high of a margin.

    • @morosis82
      @morosis82 Před měsícem

      ​@@hubertnnnit was actually a tricky tech to manufacture, I think the problem was it never got popular enough for it to hang around long enough to get the improvements that take lots of time.
      I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back once someone figures a hack to the manufacture that gets it a lot cheaper. It is still a cool tech, just too expensive and too niche to have taken off in a huge way like Intel and Micron wanted.

  • @Zenku763
    @Zenku763 Před měsícem +16

    Oh, I did that too last week!

  • @O43Z98
    @O43Z98 Před měsícem +1

    I not even disappointed this is late. I've been wanting a comprehensive breakdown of what happened with optane. ( I'm only to the Segue so far. Can't wait)

  • @thekwoka4707
    @thekwoka4707 Před měsícem

    This makes a lot of sense for use cases like APFS allow where the storage can be used as swap memory.

  • @jajssblue
    @jajssblue Před měsícem +3

    16:45 Sounds like Intel needs to "write off" that Optane inventory.

  • @stevewoods76
    @stevewoods76 Před měsícem +7

    Loving the Firefly season 2 joke

  • @Dono0320
    @Dono0320 Před měsícem +1

    I got an Optane drive and found it quite good at holding my hard drives index data on my TrueNas box. Great at speeding up the hard drives slow random reads and writes. I wish intel stuck with Optane longer, felt like they did not give it a long enough chance to penetrate the market. Also opening it up would have helped a lot.

  • @r0galik
    @r0galik Před měsícem +2

    I use 16 GB 2nd gen nvme optane SSDs as the boot drives in my single board computers. They work nicely. I also built an Optane thumb drive with a 2242 module and an enclosure.

  • @LycanWitch
    @LycanWitch Před měsícem +64

    8:15 That call out to Emily.. I miss Emily, I hope She chooses to return in front of the cameras again sometime. She was such an amazing LTT video host and seeing these technical videos without her knowledge and input just isn't the same.

    • @TheTom951guitar
      @TheTom951guitar Před měsícem +4

      2nd'd!

    • @ExarchGaming
      @ExarchGaming Před měsícem +16

      she's probably afraid of the more reactionary parts of the LTT audience. Which makes me extremely sad. We all miss Emily.

    • @3800fiero
      @3800fiero Před měsícem +3

      I will shout for joy if I see her in another video! Great host, knowledgable and humble. Overall great person.

    • @LycanWitch
      @LycanWitch Před měsícem +6

      ​@@ExarchGaming yeah this has been my worry as well.
      However, I have a feeling Emily isn't the type of person who is easily phased by bullying or any transphobe, as Emily to me has always seemed like the type of individual who's immune to bullying and above hate.
      Rather, I hope that the reason they've been off camera is is she is focusing on transitioning, such as waiting until she has some feminizing procedures performed before returning to the limelight (i.e. laser/electrolysis, or even surgical procedures like FFS and breast augmentation, not to mention, the subsequent recovery time), so that when they do decide to return in front of a camera, they can be and project the self-image they wish to share with the world :)
      Either case, I hope she returns, and her staying away isn't a permanent. As someone who is transgender, seeing someone prominent within the tech media space as Emily was, is so inspiring not only to me but likely countless others who too are trans, gender non-conforming, and allies within the tech sphere.

    • @Smykeify
      @Smykeify Před měsícem +4

      I miss seeing Emily on here, definitely a noticeable void in the LTT videos since her departure, I hope it isn't because of the loud minorities comments and hopefully she is just working on herself but seeing all the horrible comments on her announcement video I wouldn't blame her from not wanting to be on camera again.
      All the best to her either way she is an invaluable part of the team and I definitely miss seeing her present.

  • @Scarlet_Soul
    @Scarlet_Soul Před měsícem +12

    2:41 : 50GB x 12 = 6TB? Erm...is that why you always need new storage servers?

    • @fallenone4108
      @fallenone4108 Před měsícem

      Later in the video it says 512GB per stick which equals the 6.144T there are talking about.

    • @Scarlet_Soul
      @Scarlet_Soul Před měsícem

      @@fallenone4108 2:41 is them saying the size of their floatplane videos

  • @carlosdominguez3108
    @carlosdominguez3108 Před měsícem +1

    I have a P5800x as my Windows OS drive. Snappiest computer experience I've ever had, can basically never kill the drive, and can literally open 100 programs at the same time with not a stutter. Optane is wild, and still worth it.

  • @kinetics1045
    @kinetics1045 Před měsícem

    He makes it a vision to new people to do crazy stuff and having that speed allowed people better understand the power and the idea it’s possible

  • @andljoy
    @andljoy Před měsícem +4

    3DXpoint was insane , it was and still is the best for your boot drive as the latency is so good.

    • @GameCyborgCh
      @GameCyborgCh Před měsícem +1

      sucked that they never made them for consumers. Small harddrive accelerators or enterprise grade (with a price tag to match). Sure there was the 900p but that retailed for 400 bucks for a 280 gig drive, when that came out you could have probably bought a 4TB NVME ssd for that price

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x Před měsícem +1

      ​@@GameCyborgChConsidering you can buy a 4TB NvME for about 300 bucks now, that sounds about right

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K Před měsícem

      ​@@nocturn9xAnd they only made enterprise PCIe 4.0 Optane (P5800X) that even today costs a cool $800+ for mere 400GB model. It's very competitive with PCIe 4.0 NvME in performance, even in sequential performance where 905P gets destroyed but it's so expensive that last summer i could have bought nearly 16TB worth of PCIe 4.0 NAND for that money.

  • @iziro
    @iziro Před měsícem +57

    So annoying when I leave a revolutionary 150k worth of server in a warehouse for 3 years

    • @1armbiker
      @1armbiker Před měsícem +1

      Intel hasn’t made anything revolutionary in 15 years.

    • @GeekProdigyGuy
      @GeekProdigyGuy Před měsícem +8

      ​@@1armbiker optane absolutely was, and tbh still is, revolutionary -- even the best SCM today only comes to a close second to 2nd gen optane from 2020... they made a series of stupid business decisions all mentioned in the video.

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x Před měsícem +1

      ​@@1armbikerimagine being so stuck in fanboy land to cope this hard. Not trying to shit on AMD btw, their stuff is amazing. But Intel has done a lot of cool stuff too. They just sat on their laurels for too long in the consumer space

  • @Ghennesph
    @Ghennesph Před měsícem +1

    I mean, 905Ps are selling, they're often in the hot-items list for enterprise storage. If optane had been priced reasonably, and not been vendor locked, we'd probably all be using it by now, for root/boot, with nand for game libraries.

  • @daviddrake4715
    @daviddrake4715 Před měsícem +1

    Too soon hitting us with that Firefly reference there. Now all the misbehaving around LTT makes scene...... Ye are all Browncoats.... SHINY!!!

  • @pawa-cu1dv
    @pawa-cu1dv Před měsícem +3

    6:28 but it would be a tax write off

  • @furaznl
    @furaznl Před měsícem +5

    CZcams has what now? AB Testing thumbnails? Hold my beer

    • @samwalker7567
      @samwalker7567 Před měsícem

      Yeah, that was just casually dropped in there and it's a huge deal that LTT/LMG are using it now.

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn Před měsícem

      I was wondering why thumbnails keep changing every time I refresh the page.

    • @morosis82
      @morosis82 Před měsícem

      ​@@samwalker7567 they've been using it for a while and have talked about it a fair bit.

  • @sloc_
    @sloc_ Před měsícem +1

    Optane was a technology that I always hoped would eventually come down in price and become common for consumer use. After Wendell from level1 showed how it affected operating system responsiveness in a video, I was hooked. I check every few months to see if the price of a 1.6tb p5800x come down, only to be disappointed to see that they still go for $3000 on Newegg. I feel like this will be a technology in 10 or 20 years that I will be able to get at a recycling center by luck and finally get to experience its greatness long after it’s obsolete. What a bumber

  • @ulator4820
    @ulator4820 Před měsícem +2

    6:20 a dubious ROI? Nah, just write it off! 😅

  • @johnb0815
    @johnb0815 Před měsícem +4

    so optane requires normal ram? why not put both on a single DIMM and get benefits form both types?

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn Před měsícem

      I think it requires a paired normal ram only in RAM mode.
      In HDD mode it does not need to be paired with RAM.

  • @999Crazyy
    @999Crazyy Před měsícem +13

    What a great 150k write off 👍

  • @gimmickmusic8827
    @gimmickmusic8827 Před měsícem

    7:12 THANK YOU! I have been complaining about how motherboards in general still feel like the wild west. It’s insane that we still don’t just have a standardized plug for front IO or that menus are always so drastically different.

  • @zacharyyearling3147
    @zacharyyearling3147 Před 28 dny

    now with the closeout deals how about a video on how to set up and use optain for some home user situations? home server, gaming, NAS, and any other weird use situations along with how to set them up.

  • @Rehbet
    @Rehbet Před měsícem +3

    It's a shame LTT killed Optane by ignoring Intel's last ditch effort to build hype for the product by sending $150,000 worth of hardware to a popular youtuber to showcase. Hope it was worth it Andy

  • @ChristianStout
    @ChristianStout Před měsícem +3

    In a different timeline, Optane + 3D V-cache cannibalize DRAM entirely.
    With the combined capacity of V-cache and speed/latency of PCIe5 Optane, DRAM would be rendered unnecessary.

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi Před měsícem +5

      There's some dark future where on-package HBM, 3D cache, and 3D X-point (optane) would make a ram monster. You could have 10s of MB of cache, a small pool of HBM to feed the iGPU, and then a big pool of optane storage that is basically both the SSD and main ram.

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x Před měsícem +1

      ​@@DigitalJedithat sounds awesome tbh

    • @ChristianStout
      @ChristianStout Před měsícem +1

      @@DigitalJedi The latest Xeons now have HBM on package, so I bet that feature will trickle down to Core CPUs before the end of the decade.

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi Před měsícem +1

      @ChristianStout We'll kind of see it later this year! Lunar Lake will have all of its lpddr5x on-package, but won't have any external additional channels.

  • @bgrossish
    @bgrossish Před měsícem +1

    I'm really liking the intro being back on the latest videos.

  • @scsextra
    @scsextra Před měsícem

    I’ve roasted you guys enough and Billet has had their day in the sun over on GN. The subtle nod to forgetting is hilarious.

  • @nmweissm
    @nmweissm Před měsícem +11

    THE RICER PC BAIT IN THE BEGINNING AAAAAAAAAA
    FINISH THE PC LINUS

  • @UntouchedWagons
    @UntouchedWagons Před měsícem +9

    Give it to Jeff at Craft Computing, he's been on a bit of a bender lately buying weird servers that no one else wants.

  • @snooks5607
    @snooks5607 Před měsícem

    3:15 what also increases it's endurance greatly is to keep it offline in a closet

  • @jaymorrison2419
    @jaymorrison2419 Před měsícem

    I had an Optane chip in my i7700k era PC, which did a pretty good job speeding up my (at the time) 2T hybrid Hard Drives. Sadly (or not depending on your view) its been gone for a couple of years now, as NVME drives got cheap enough at a high enough capacity to swap out the old 3.5" drives.

  • @chromeeh
    @chromeeh Před měsícem +8

    That mainboard and chassis bending at 0:18 😵‍💫

  • @thomashd9698
    @thomashd9698 Před měsícem +8

    You can use the huge amount of memory to run the largest possible large language models.

    • @nocturn9x
      @nocturn9x Před měsícem +1

      You think 6TB is enough for an LLM with trillions of parameters? Hah, you're funny.

    • @swcommander1661
      @swcommander1661 Před měsícem

      ​@@nocturn9xRiiight 🤔

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281

    Saw the pinned comment, reminds me of a time when I was browsing through a pile of IT return at my company, and there was a dev kit for Intel Denverton. Opened, but never removed from the packaging, it was just a black cooler master PC case

  • @dtmgfx5184
    @dtmgfx5184 Před měsícem +1

    Hi guys, as a vfx artist, would love to see some houdini simulations on these videos, Ocean or pyro sims will easily scale up to fill up memory (and compute) tasks at hand. and as someone who mainly uses off the shelf consumer hardware, would be lovely to see how high end servers would perform.

  • @iBridgee
    @iBridgee Před měsícem +13

    This server costs more than my entire college education.

    • @TheChemizzle
      @TheChemizzle Před měsícem +1

      You got lucky, it's almost half the price of mine lol.

    • @kaspersergej
      @kaspersergej Před měsícem +9

      Wait, you guys pay for education? 😂

    • @avonbarksdale2506
      @avonbarksdale2506 Před měsícem +1

      @@TheChemizzleyou got scammed then lol

    • @MrScorpianwarrior
      @MrScorpianwarrior Před měsícem +2

      ​@avonbarksdale2506 Someone with 2 - going on 3 - degrees here, all college prices are a scam 🙄

    • @ohioplayer-bl9em
      @ohioplayer-bl9em Před měsícem

      My house

  • @Glenn938
    @Glenn938 Před měsícem +5

    Very nice job! This was so good I broke up with my girlfriend, ghosted her, disowned my parents, and quit my job. I burned all my belongings.I soon got evicted for not paying rent, but had the cops force me out. I then became addicted to fentanyl. Now I watch this while tweakin.

  • @PashPaw
    @PashPaw Před 29 dny

    Someone I know uses Optane in their desktop PC.
    When it was built about five and a half years ago, 1TB SSDs were still uncommon and expensive. It gets used as a storage cache so the spinning HDDs he has stores and retrieves data to and from the Optane module. It's really bizarre stuff. Neat but bizarre.

  • @shuuko_tenoh
    @shuuko_tenoh Před měsícem +2

    I'm honestly not even sure what I am going to do with the 1TB of ram in my newest server that I acquired for cheap. While the obligatory "Please send" would be fun, most people outside of large companies that could have bought it anyway wouldn't even be able to come up with proper use cases for a server of this caliber. Would make a fun project for a super low latency Minecraft (or other game with large maps to load) server. Chunks would load faster than people could traverse them.

  • @evierivka402
    @evierivka402 Před měsícem +31

    Shout out to Emily for coming in clutch for the video and this amazing project.

    • @BravoCharleses
      @BravoCharleses Před měsícem +9

      We miss you, Emily, and hope you're doing well. :-)

    • @stragen0013
      @stragen0013 Před měsícem +5

      Need to see some Emily vids again. They were always my favourite

    • @Jacob-my4fj
      @Jacob-my4fj Před měsícem +3

      So glad to see someone else bringing Emily up. I miss seeing them in videos.

    • @mattboje6747
      @mattboje6747 Před měsícem +1

      Emily was great, miss seeing them in videos, nice for Linus to shout them out!

    • @supersuede91
      @supersuede91 Před měsícem +1

      Based Emily

  • @blue-obsidian
    @blue-obsidian Před měsícem +3

    Only Linus can spend $150,000 and forget it 😂😢😢

    • @Fitnessdickinmymouth
      @Fitnessdickinmymouth Před měsícem +1

      $1,000,000 1PB SSD server project?

    • @C0mmanderX
      @C0mmanderX Před měsícem

      they were given a sample to review. he didnt buy it and they didnt want it back

  • @CrypticConsole
    @CrypticConsole Před měsícem

    you can probably use MMAP with storage mode and get super high performance persistent storage for stuff like LLM inference with llama cpp

  • @erlandjohansen7195
    @erlandjohansen7195 Před 28 dny

    Linus' voice: It could change our thumbnail practices!
    Linus' face: It 100% won't, because we absolutely know what the testing will show

  • @gregorypaulding7183
    @gregorypaulding7183 Před měsícem +9

    Praise be to Emily nice job!!!

  • @daniegamin
    @daniegamin Před měsícem +21

    8:17 Ayy, Emily mention! Glad she's shill with y'all last time she want in a video a bunch of people were assholes and I'm glad they didn't scare her off. ❤❤

  • @barnysgaming
    @barnysgaming Před měsícem

    ive seen so many of those 16gb Optane sticks failing or causing issues with PC's and laptops. I used to keeps them and had about 30 at one point.

  • @grdprojekt
    @grdprojekt Před měsícem

    Funny that, I just rewatched the unboxing video yesterday and wondered where the 2nd part is.

  • @SplurginSergeon
    @SplurginSergeon Před měsícem +3

    Is this you writing off Intel's write off?

  • @RadialSeeker113
    @RadialSeeker113 Před měsícem +5

    8:00 true enthusiasts go through every single setting in every sub menu. Just like they do with games, dram overclocks, their router or even a bios. Not going though the entire bios on something worth $150k is ridiculous. And I'm saying this as someone who has done over 5 dozen server builds since epyc gen 1

    • @julkkis666
      @julkkis666 Před měsícem +1

      Exactly this. This was the first thing i did when i got my fujitsu system.

  • @excellent1713
    @excellent1713 Před měsícem +1

    Man, I hate forgetting about my 150,000 server. Knowing I'm not the only one makes me less embarrassed, thx linus😘

  • @tassadarforaiur
    @tassadarforaiur Před měsícem

    Dcpmm is really interesting now that compatible servers are on the used market. Would love to see a video about how that memory works for truenas caching

  • @prodbymalek
    @prodbymalek Před měsícem +5

    10k views fell off

  • @jamopopper
    @jamopopper Před měsícem +16

    another Emily mention at 8:14 !! cant wait to see her in videos again if she chooses to!!

  • @stoneylonely6416
    @stoneylonely6416 Před měsícem +1

    Love Linus! LOL great vid as always

  • @ThatGamePerson
    @ThatGamePerson Před měsícem +4

    Emily lives!!!! Mentioned at 8:14. I hope things are going swell for them!
    Also, I think this might be dope for like a Redis cache but, I have a hard time coming up with better use cases.

    • @shortboard_89
      @shortboard_89 Před měsícem +3

      I hope Emily can make a regular return to the screen soon but I understand why she might not want to.

  • @KidoKatsuragi
    @KidoKatsuragi Před měsícem

    Yeah, those 16G nvme sticks are perfect for zfs write cache in your DYI NAS.

  • @jeffclark5206
    @jeffclark5206 Před měsícem

    I would love a server like that for our indie game dev team. Would make a lot of tasks so much faster omg.

  • @DamianTheFirst
    @DamianTheFirst Před měsícem

    hate when it happens. Last week I found my 200k server that fell behind by bookcase and I completely forgot about it. I know your pain, bro
    in all seriousness - yesterday YT recommended me to watch unboxing of this device, so I was really surprised to see part 2 today

  • @wildhogOW
    @wildhogOW Před měsícem +1

    Ahh, yes, casually forgetting about a $150.000 server, like forgetting about the $40 order from Amazon a week ago.