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When we last left the 2009 Nissan 370Z, it had just laid a drubbing on BMW's little 135i. We then proclaimed, "The 2009 Nissan 370Z raises the standard for the sport coupe segment to a new level of affordable excellence."
Time to get more serious. It's V8 time. Who's in? Let's see, no Camaro, and a Challenger is not available (don't ask), so that leaves the freshly updated 2010 Ford Mustang GT, a car whose very existence is predicated upon wallet-friendly performance.
Perhaps a reinvigorated veteran can take down the newly crowned king. The particulars might differ - four seats versus two, V8 versus V6 - but the mission is the same. And the 2009 Nissan 370Z and 2010 Ford Mustang GT are priced closer than you might think. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
getting a 370z, 2 seater, no kids no problems. lol
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Look at how much the Mustang dives and how the 370z stays in the same position.
And then a year later the 5.0 came back and everyone lost their minds.
after owning the 370z for a year now...i must say is very reliable no problem at all!! it has some problems with visibility a lot of blind spots and it would need an oil cooler if you are going to track it. You should also have a second car for daily driving because is almost impossible to drive it slow the car handles so so great that going for lunch transforms into a track day. I have it with the sport pack the brakes are pure magic and the rev-match feature will make u drive like Schumacher.
I sat in a 370z and a 2010 mustang today. when they turned on the engine of the mustang, dang it sent me chills! they're both awesome
I remember those days, back when imports out performed the domestics in their class. Sadly imports have not kept pace with the performance of domestics in their price range. Example: STi and Evo vs Camaro and Mustang. Used to be an Evo or STi was the performance bargain. Now neither compares well to a GT 5.0, Boss, or Camaro 1LE.
I think the Japanese market is not particularly concerned with American muscle anymore if I'm being honest. In interviews, Nissan has said that their performance benchmark for the 370z was a Porsche Cayman and for the GT-R it was a Porsche 911 Turbo. They are either obsessed with Porsche, or focusing their effort on the European market instead.
It's 2024 and both of these cars have aged like fine wine. I daily a 2017 370Z and love it to death. It feels like I'm driving a classic car because of how stripped down and raw feeling it is. The Mustangs of this time were the same way. When you sit down in either of these cars, you are transported back to a time before technology completely took over. The magic of analog sports cars is that they become more relevant the less relevant they become.
I still love my 4.6 3 valve!
say what you want 5.0 owners, but at the end of the day, mustangs cannot corner.
I agree with you on that. My 5.0 sucks in the twists
lol but they're good in the straights
Actually...
www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustang_gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/
Sam Sharma VQ engines aren't very hard to reach 600+ hp They are the engine that the VR (in GTRs) is based on
They can corner (especially compared to previous generations), they're just not really good at it. The V8 engine is very forgiving if you get things wrong because unlike the Z it has a little bit of low-end torque. You've gotta get the Z up to 3000 RPM before it puts out anything, so it's a good thing it is a real champ at maintaining speed through corners.
2009 370Z
332hp/270tq..3278lbs
2010 Mustang GT
315hp/325tq..3401lbs
Wrong weight for the Mustang, it's heavier than that
3.6 lbs for mustang the hp is useless in that tank
Thank you!
I have a 2019 370Z 6MT with the sport pkg that I took for a quick drive on the California coastal US 1 down from the Oregon border to the SF bay area, where I live. I encountered a late model Mustang GT(2018 or 2019) and we dueled it out on the twisty two-lane road. The Stang was ahead of me and so I used him as a pace car and had no trouble sticking to his tail. My car had power and handling potential in reserve, so I could have beaten him but elected not to push it on a road that had oncoming traffic to the left and cliffs over the Pacific ocean on the right. It was then that I really appreciated the handling performance of the car with its relatively light weight. Even though the Mustang had more hp, he was unable to use it fully for most of the drive because of his car's heavier weight. Later on, I think he may have been developing brake fade from repeated high speed braking around all the curves.
6yrs later, when you take both cars to your friendly dealership, guess wich one will be worth way...WAY more then the other?
Hint: It is not the Eleanor.
i wonder why Ford released the 5.0 engine 1 year after the body redesign. I think someone dropped the ball. It would be a different comparison because the z would be out classed.
right?....
They screwed over a lot of people...
yeah lol its a 4.6 v8 vs a 3.7 v6, you really think they needed to add the 400ml of displacement
Kern O'Leary yes cause the 5 liter has 100 more hp and torque than the 4.6
@GHOST_6.4 BLACK because the 4.6 was old as fuck. The 5.0 is a modern Engine
@DroidNoid Thanks for your comment.
@mine1username I mostly agree with your statement. I owned and drag raced a 99 GT, thus the name, for years and NA it was not a threat at all. Where it did have its benefits was good flowing heads and low compression made it great for FI. I ran a Vortech V2 S-trim at 10-12 psi for years and then moved to a T76 turbo system. The ringlands and rods didn't like it for long. Getting a built 2V/3V block was/is inexpensive. The Coyote 5.0 is an incredible engine without question though.
I have owned both. Most currently the mustang. Gotta say the z is track beast but do you track everyday. The mustang offers that fun factor while being somewhat practical as a daily driver. Honestly I like the GT better
Why didn't you mention the amazing syncro rev matching the Z has..thats a HUGE thing....also you added a GPS NAV to the Z and that brought the price up....did the Mustang come with the NAV system at the 35k price?
@Kelvin Tso Sorry about that blank comment but yeah the Boxter is pretty great
@MrNoclutch I agree 100%. I remember when I bought my 99 GT auto in December of 98 when they first came out. Ford did a smart thing by selling cars and letting the aftermarket do the rest. Sure the 350Z and 370Z might have been slightly quicker, but Ford sold more Mustangs than Nissan could dream of selling Zs. It is not always about performance off of the lot as GM learned with the LS1 Camaros and Firebirds. Some mods later and my 99 GT was in the 10s on 93 octane. Great platform to build on.
I think this guy is talking to fast for the Ford drivers.... lol
hahahhahahahahahahhaa
2014 mustang gt coyote v8. 420 hp 390 lb ft of torque. By by catfish
Then the gtr stops by and whoops its ass.
Adamz678 rolling I destroyed a GTR with my insanely built 2014 GT. How about them apples?
HELLASgate7
I was more talking stock to stock, so in a way you're comparing apples to oranges more or less. What's all done to it?
HELLASgate7 bye bye*
Come on man, you can't talk shit on the internet and have bad spelling.
Adamz678 I know it was 3 years ago but I laughed at this comment, you said "I was more talking stock to stock, so in a way you're comparing apples to oranges more or less." apples to oranges right after you changed a topic from a mustang vs a 370z (catfish) two cars in the same class to a mustang vs a GTR. Hilarious irony. How bout them apples?
@Fuzygreens Yes. I agree.
@jordtizzle i know, i meant the 11, i've rode one with production yr 10 but it was an 5.0 GT 11 model.
@HELLASgate7 since when is a Ford more reliable than a Nissan?!?!? Hahaha!!!!
nissan are known for electrical problems..so you'll never know
@Joe Mamma No.
@@mikemoua3107 My 2019 Nissan 370Z sport coupe has about 16K miles on it with no problems whatsoever, electrical or mechanical. Many gen 3 Coyote Mustang GT owners are fighting with Ford over short and long block replacements for these engines with badly scored cylinders and broken ring lands.
Mike Moua new Nissans are garbage since they had that one CEO that’s sunk the company 😂😂😂😂
Thumbs up, but I still love my 2010 GT.
@TheMackSparrow Agreed...the new Stang does have 412hp....but the Z is more track oriented right out of the box. Very precise and nimble....controllable. I'll have the Z please...
@daguzify so what did you go with ?
the 370z is alot faster in any way corners, drag...
+Vasik Vasin Ahhh, if only Ford stopped making the Mustang after 2010, the 370Z owners could still have something to brag about. Problem is, the following year Ford swapped out the tired old 4.6L 3V for a fire breathing 5.0L TiVCT 4V and gave the car 100 extra horsepower....and made some suspension tweaks. The Nissan 370Z hasnt been able to hold a candle to is since.
I have a Z,both cars are good,the driver has a lot to do with it,ALOT. i got beat by a 99GT but i kick the ass of a 2010 5.0,STRANGE. BUT I DO KNOW FOR DAM SURE THE Z HUGS TURNS LIKE A MASTER AT HIGHER SPEEDS THAN THE PONY. I was head to head with a Boss 305 he had me by half a car at 135mph. But as soon as the turns came i dropt to 85-90mph he had to of dropt to like 60 because i left him far away like almost a mile after the last turn.
@KKANGPAE
did you not watch the video? or does the new 5.0 and suspension need to make it even clearer?
exactly!
Compare the same two cars after 7 years of normal use. The Z will still be in great shape, but the Mustang, not so much. American car manufacturers need to get with the program and start building more fuel efficient engines that produce more horsepower. I have a 2009 370Z Touring. If I drive the limit and don't wind out the gears, on the highway I have gotten 30mpg, and yet it can run 0-60mph in 5.3 seconds. This is all from a V6.
I have had my mustang for 6 years of hard use and not a single engine problem. I do not get 30 mpg, but I have a larger trunk and more seats. These cars are not exactly apples to apples, but they are both respectable cars.
Robert Kibler With upgraded tires, K&N drop ins and an auto tranny, you can do low 4's 0-60. The auto has shown to be consistently quicker than the manual. Even Motor Trend did an issue on this.
+Verisimilitude Dude
That may be true, but it isn't a fair comparison. You are modifying one and not the other.
Robert Kibler
Most magazines that did a 0-60 times recorded about a 4.6-4.7 second time for the manual Z. Motortrend magazine timed the automatic at about 2 tenths of a second quicker on average. That's what I have. I'm not doing a comparison, I'm just stating what's possible with just a few upgrades.
+Verisimilitude Dude I understand what your saying, but my point is if the auto is that much quicker with a few upgrades, imagine what those upgrades will do for the manual. just a short throw shifter alone makes a HUGE difference.
Its a v6 vs a v8 ! Mustangs suck cant event take a v6 Z33 all the way!
@TheKipinator maybe the 5.0, but this test was done in 09. A 5.3 sec 0-60 for the 4.6 is about right.
no problem! I own a mustang and it's just annoying how everyone hates on them, when they don't even have a car that could come close to competing with it.
Mustangs are built way more reliable than a Z. If you new anything about cars instead of being a fan boy, you'd know that.
Lol please do ur research before u talk out of ur ass..fords aren't reliable...The Z can take a constant beating and easily live until 200-250k
andrey svit your claims are that of a biased idiot
And how are urs different from mine?
i'd have to "almost" agree to that. nissan are known for electrical issues whereas ford being known for mechanical issues..
Mike Moua I believe Ford has been making much better cars as of late
@rforracing I agree.
@kyleisreallycool yea my mistake inline 6's
thank you! its nice to know there are other people out there who dont think there pos mustang or camaro is the fastest car in the world
Damn alot of folks get worked up way too easy. They are both nice cars. I picked the mustang because having a backseat means my 8 year old can go with me and my wife in the sports car. I also love the retro style, the v8 sound, sync, and the way it drives. It doesn't mean the z is shit, its just what I like better. A true car guy can appreciate all types of cars.
I'll take either one. My next ride in order of preference will be:
1. Used civic si AND cbr600rr
2. Mustang 5.0
3. 370z w/sports package
When your unbiased you have so many more options
Nicely said
@ambientflier The Ford Mustang use a live rear axle, and for what it does, it's awesome.
@worldtravel101 While I would normally agree, the new 5.0 is somehow keeping up with the M3 with a live axle. No clue how they did that but they did.
whats the mpg for these cars? anybody know?
no one with a mustang wants to sell there car after buying it. not unless they are buying a newer model mustang. I am a fan of both vehicles, that throaty v8 sound is hands down the reason mustangs are so iconic.
@Marc99GT ya I've read in a magazine of the Z06 stomping the GT-R but I wasn't sure. I want to see them take the Z06 back to the 'ring. I'm getting curious.
@DVcustomZ Only people that focus on PSi know very little about the importance of CFM and a turbos adiabatic efficiency at given compressor speeds. I drag raced a Turbocharged 99 GT which is well documented in 04/02 MM&FF magazine and built a, 87 Grand National from end to end so i'm quite familiar with static and effective compression ratios. It is not just about the static compression but the cfm moving through the 5.0L as well. The 9-10 psi is the limit due to the stock internals.
@firesparks10 it doesn't matter. They are in different classes. Muscle car vs Sport Car.
@wtrdogg20 Where did you come up with those segments? It should be based on price per performance. Not V6 vs V6.
I have to agree with you
Why was it a fail? it was a 315hp 4.6 liter, which was plenty strong. Stop trying to downplay the Z.
ya bro i agree with u but u should of test drove the s4 and the 335i too
@mine1username im with ya on that, i want my mustang as loud as possible, i think that he's referring to the sound of the v6 in general, they sound bad when they aren't muffled
@alfredomnzn hows the reliability on the rx8?
Mustangs and Camaros are insanely expensive here in Australia, so gotta get a Z by default, heh.
When he said that the engine sounds "harsh" when pushed, he didnt mean that it was too loud. I agree that when I drive a sports car, I want to hear the engine and exhaust... When I pushed a 350z, everything sounded fine, and nothin about the engine sound made me feel uneasy... but when I pushed a 370z, the way the engine sounded toward redline made me feel like somethin on the car was going to break or blow up... Im used to high rpms cuz I used to own an s2000 but the 370 sounds harsh up high.
@HDMFly Do a little research. The MPG for both cars are similar. As is the cost to insuring both.
i run low 12s with my 04 mach 1 32 valve 281 cui with bolt ons drag radials and tune
He is right, cabin noise in my 370z is loud. I had 350 before, it was not as bad but the handling improvement is much better.
actually the mustang is a dependable vehicle I've had my 2002 mustang for 10 years and the only thing i've replaced is the Tremec transmission in it because i messed up the 4th gear synscros. I have 258000 miles on it and it's still going strong. still gets the same power and is always getting complimented on how nice it looks and sounds.
@bluebeastsrt Every performance category? You mean acceleration only?
@daguzify which one?
Estos si eran reviews de coches...
@newton2105 It is indeed, my friend.
@longfinger consumer reports magazine, they are very accurate
2 seconds is a lot in a race. I understand the engineering in both cars. For I own a Ford and a Nissan. Not that many people can attest to that and the uninformed tend to underestimate the capabilities of a mustang. You can jump into a Nissan and instantly become a veteran racer. A mustang is like taming a wild beast. It has a learning curb that takes a little time to adapt. Once you do, turns or not you can take on a 370 easy. To solidify that race just throw a pair of wide sticking tires on the back. Then it won't even be a race
@Marc99GT I have a 2004 Crown Vic with 276000 still running mean.
@loucks428 I believe it. I just bypassed a leaking heater core on a Town car that had 288,XXX and it idles like stock. No smoke out of the tailpipe or hunting idle. People have no idea about the reliability of the 4.6l and the amount of abuse they take. I see them in Econoline E250 work vans with 185K and 200K after carrying heavy equipment and parts for HVAC guys and plumbers. Not the most power N/A, but can take abuse for well over 100K.
@DVcustomZ I have to agree 100% with that comment. I find Mustangs with flowmasters annoying and I personally hate those mufflers. I ran a Borla cat-back on my 99 GT. I spent alot of money on my 99 GT back in 2000 going from NA, Vortech V2-S-trim running low 12s to a Turbonetics T-76 running 10s on 93 octane. A Turbo V8 is deadly because spooling a T-76 didn't take long especially with a BB Turbo. I need another turbo V8.
@therookie93, Ford response about the live axle was that " an upgrade would have risen the price of each car by 5000 bucks". Now if you have over 300 Horsepower, you can lose just about any sports car coming out of a corner..
I agree. Put the new v6 stang against the 370z.. those two are the same class. New GT is on par with a M3 now.. plus its a 5.0, the GT in the video is a 315hp 2010.. not the 2011 5.0 which has 412hp :D and for those who say certain cars aren't reliable.. NO car is reliable, in reality that's just people who are broke or too cheap to go do regular maintenance who say that.. lets face it guys that oil isn't going to change itself. I have a 06 Stang and have never had one problem since day 1.
yes, the turns. i love the massive power of the mustang. but it's only good for the first 5 seconds on the straight line. but when you drive a sports car with better handling, you can enjoy driving constantly around the corner. that's why mazda miata's are so popular among driver enthusiasts. it's low powered and small, but it's one hell of a ride in corners.
@djzaki doubt it
@undeadkillers A live rear axle has very little impact on a vehicle's handling on a smooth track or a skidpad. However, it does come into play on the street, where midcorner bumps upset the rear end.
I agree with this video's conclusion. I have a 350Z and I easily flew ahead of my co-workers '08 'Stang GT. It's about precision engineering, not the # of cylinders.
@elbacatran12 not talking about the GT-R, talking about fords GT. the guy i replied to said the stang was fords top of the line car, which it isn't.
@Blackgam3r They may not because if the ZO6 Carbon runs near the ZR1 time, which I suspect it will, that might hurt sales numbers of the ZR1.
@runamoktoo Sorry, I ran out of space. The video on here with the BMW is called "super coupes track attack." Anyway, I'm really not trying to be confrontational. The 370Z is a fine vehicle and I'd jump on it if I had a chance to own one, but I personally think the mustang is a slightly better choice, especially considering it's cost compared to the nissan's. And with that lower price tag you still get more horsepower and beter track numbers. I hope that helped.
@lockheed08 Talking about "giving credit where it is deserved".. For your information, the 3-valve SOHC 4.6 has made it to Ward's 10 Best Engines list from 2005 thru 2008. The 4.6 power is widely conservative in its stock form. I easily cranked mine up to 350hp. I'm 4.8 sec to 60mph. It is extremely reliable (zero issues after 4 years of hard driving) and sounds like a muscle car in meaner ways than the 5.0. Just because you don't get the joke doesn't mean that it is necessarily bad.
@theboxmike id love to see the 2012 boss 302 vs 370z :D
All in what you want. Brute Force vs. Precision handling. By all accounts, Ford has come a long way with their new suspension, but the reason the Z can run with the more powerful GT is because it's 500 lbs less. The Mustang coupe weighs the same as a fully loaded Nissan Maxima sedan.
I'm a Nissan fan, but I'm considering a 302 Boss. As far as 2 door with rear seat performance though, I'm also looking at a third option... BMW 1 series M Coupe. Yummy.
@SuperSnake330CID yeah i know that what im saying is they should put the regular 5.4 in the GT instead of the 4.6
@Wowmasta21 Exactly proved a point too, GTR is much heavier due to the fact that it has an AWD system, who said the ZR1 has better handling? I'll admit at a time ZR1 did have better handling, but it's 2011, GTR got a major redesign, slaloms at 74 mph, and skid pad ratings at 1.02g's. Two really great cars that accomplished a lot of things, beating out Ferraris and Porsches.
@TheMackSparrow I disagree slightly. What most people forget is that GT stands for Grand Touring, something we have lost in the US. This is a totally new Mustang, and is more close to a proper European touring car than a proper muscle car. People in the US will still drive the GT like a muscle car, because it's hard to re-learn 50 years of society. When you understand what grand touring is all about, this comparison makes perfect sense.
@girtler87 it comes that way off the assembly line
@highflyer4 depends on the track. Add a couple sharper corners the Z will come out on top
i agree though car mags do tend to compare cars that shouldnt be to the miata or the s2000
your right that its in the middle of the two but a v6 with a turbo or supercharged can compete with the 370 on a straight. and its not that much money to get it supercharged. but yea the live rear axle on the mustang is what makes it not able to handle curvy roads as well unless they were completely smooth. i think both cars are amazing. haha i have a 2013 gt so of course im gonna lean towards the mustang :)
I was addressing the comment about live axle being a handicap. Reviewers like the cheaper GT as a driver's car too. They're surprised, live axle isn't that bad. Not worth arguing. Live axle will be dead by 2015 anyway. I think, car comparisons will always piss someone off. But, each car has it's merits and faults. Most of these cars have been around so long and have been so perfected, reviewers are now tempted to compare very dissimilar models like Miata and Shelby. Truth? They're all good cars
@TheInamanica
Straight line performance the 2011 V6 is on par with the STi. The brand new 5.0 isn't even a comparison, it's domination. Both the V6 and the V8 walk the STi at the tract too.
in a straight line, yes. Keep in mind I am a Mustang Fan, but as far as handling goes, you'd need a Boss 302 to keep up with that Z through the turns.
I notice that the 13.1 was posted but not the trapseed. that makes a difference as to how quickly that spread is growing. Also I would be interested in seeing the price as tested. That would also indicated that the 2011 GT would hit 60 in about 4.3 seconds.
To bad the car stated as more for drag racing would have no problem beating the 370Z around a course. The Boss 302 is a destroyer on the track at 43K and with a sold axle. I certainly would never put a 370Z and a 911 in the same sentence.
@aarontharris question is : How fast is it ?I really like this car
@paintballa95 I don't think Blueball0120 was talking about a Fox Body. You know there's a new 5.0 right?
i never test drove the 370z until just 3 days ago .people that like this car either haven't driven German or just don't know about cars. when i drove it, I did not feel confident in its abilities, and I think the main reason for this is the lack of visibility. It also doesn't feel as quality as Audi and BMW which I have driven. It tries to imitate them by a rough ride and heavy steering but that is not what makes them
@wasp010 just a heads up....Mazda is owned by Ford. I do love the new '11 stang tho. trying to price out swapping a coyote engine in to my '94 cobra
@kazuyajap impressive! And did YOU know that nissan's vq engine made Ward's list from 1995-2008? That's a whole DECADE more. It is also very easy to get a Z up to 350hp, since it does after all come with 330 stock(the nismo will give you 350 stock). And a stock z will also match your 0-60 time no problem ... so try again
@DVcustomZ You also have to remember that you are down over 100 lb-ft of torque due to the smaller engine which makes a significant difference. Both making similar PEAK hp, but the other making much more peak and average torque. You tell me which car is quicker after every shift abd out of the gate.