Can An eBike Make Me Fit?
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- It's a common thought that using an eBike makes you lazy, but is it true. Neil Donoghue has done a few previous tests that have proved this theory right. But Neil was using a full-power eMTB on his last test. This time he is using a light assist Orbea to see if lowering the amount of assistance will help him improve his fitness rather than maintaining it.
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0:38 - What Is The Test?
1:39 - The Bike Neil Will Ride
4:00 - Let's Gather Some Data
6:30 - The Results
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53.2 k took 3 hours on a £500 voodoo would not recommend it On a Budget voodoo lol ✌️
i do like the idea of a slighter lighter ebike as i have the canyon strive on in (XL 25.4KG) im 6ft3 97KG, but i have that bike purely because of the range benefits,
My biggest ride to date which was january 2024 was 30miles and 5100ft of climbing around fod cycle centre and the off piste.
You simply wouldnt get that range with a small battery, so i cant justify buying a bike that would hinder your ride range if you like to ride long distance esp for someone of my size and wieght,
Also i had to keep it in eco to achieve those stats and my legs were blown after that, i have no data equipment to validate this but i would say it done me good for gaining fitness as i had to ride all in eco all the time, that was on a 750wh battery and had 9% battery left at end of ride.
Last year 89 km xc marathon course in the south the Netherlands on a 2021 29er xc hardtail Orbea Alma M30
My mate started on an E-bike. He's lost loads of weight, still rides his E-bike but definitely use the motor less. Just having the comfort of knowing that the motor's there when it comes to big hills.
This
Lies
@@joshuaallswang8016 Not at all... numbers don't lie.
@@joshuaallswang8016 Quite insulting! What's the point of me lying?
Josh sounds a little bitter!!
Every ride is better then none ride
Got an E-bike last year and when I started, I was at around 120kilos. Now I am down to 85 kilos. Having an e-bike instead of a regular MTB really helped me out with my fitness because I believe like most, especially in the beginning, I would probably be getting too tired and giving up in the first 30 minutes. With the e-bike assist, mainly in lower settings, I was able to do 1and a half to 2 hours of bicycle every day. Did around 4000 kilometers last year. And of course, the more I do the less assistance I need now since I’ve built up my endurance. For me an e-bike is an awesome way to get fit.
MAN THATS GREAT TO HEAR
This is awesome to read - nice one
Fitness improvement is relative to how you are riding, regardless of bike type. Put simply, unless you push yourself outside your comfort zone, you won't improve your fitness regardless of what type of bike you are on, analog, with or even moto. But that is everyone personal choice.
Thats a very good point. You have to push the pain limit to improve regular bike or not.
id like to see a comparison on e bikes vs a normal bike collecting the same data while doing the same trail like a 30mile trail to see how much energy is used for both bikes!
Everyone I know that went to e bikes only gained weight and can’t even do a analog ride with me anymore 😟
Do what is more fun to you. Not too fussed about calories/ anaerobic malarkey.
The full fat 25Kg and heavier bikes represent a distinct sport due to the ride characteristics and the climbing ability.
Mate, great video of course..however, not ever being an elite athlete and now being 58 years old (mentally still 28) u have to say that it definitely has made me fitter! I’m not talking about fat… I’m talking about my heart and my mind! (And I have recently had a full hospital heart testing ecg etc etc blah blah with a full clean bill of heath). Mind: you say a fun ride… well hey, I can keep up or go faster that the 30year olds up hill so yeah man, that it’s not only fun but that it works my heart! Fun: I get to decent without having to pay for uplifts (Dutch scotchman talking now) Fun: I’ve gone places I would never have gone on an AMtb but now on an EMtb (full power) I go everywhere!! See everything, want to go out riding in any weather, want to ride any trail… big jumps, (mini dream Queenstown, rocky tech, Zoot - Carry On, XC Coronet Loop, Chainless race, McNearly Gnarly and so so much more!) horses for course ms but this has given me a new lease on life!
Very interesting video - and someone has finally tackled the piece about battery types and feel - nicely done!
Question - what shoes are you wearing in the video?
I’ve noticed some of my friends that have been getting weaker and slower on regular MTBs after riding their e-bikes way too much. I believe in order to keep your stamina up, e-bikes should be ridden in moderation.
Yep same , it happened to me too . Back on the normal bike at the .mo
It's not the cardio fitness it's the leg strength from people who use full boost and assist. I'm sure if you're pushing you bike up the hill you'll get the same outcome! It's all about how you use it! I go to the gym too and I'm not training to be an Olympic endurance athlete but enjoy having my SL on a lower assist but also get more laps in lol. If I could shuttle everyday I would!
You'd get fitter riding an e-bike than riding a couch.
You’d get fitter riding a Real bike then a cheater bike!
@@joshuaallswang8016 i prefur lightweight xc bike not a heavy tank like a e mtb
I was talking to a eMTBer and he said it actually improved his fitness because he could ride Saturday AND Sunday instead of just Saturday OR Sunday.
i ride 3 xc or gravel rides back to back
@@Paganiproductions84 Me too but not everyone can.
single speeding on my non-Ebike is the ONE thing that actually made me ride faster... It forced me to fight for momentum, keep my pace up, and climb with a higher overall velocity. Single speeding also helped me learn to pace myself (re-harvesting energy by not pedaling during slight downhills) for longer rides, and actually allows me to ride further distances in the dirt.
Are we witnessing GMBN and EMBN merging into one? Looks like a gradual cross-over of both on each channel.
Look at what people are riding in the trails - a mix of bikes, so a mix of content reflects that.
Plus, they (well their management) made a rod for their own backs by insisting they release a new video every day - there is only so much content about bicycles you can come up with day-in-and-day-out.
@jmo2752 to be fair ... the network that own them have been doing that for many years. With a bit of imagination that isn't difficult to do ... however, my point was not that they were running out of ideas but that it is either the way the market is going (all bikes having some sort of power or motor), or the way the large bike manufacturers want it to be. There's far more money and opportunities for new features when it is integrated with technology, and therefore new models and upgrade your bike to the new model. Regular bike upgrades/updates are more limited. Once that transition has happened .... you'll be buying your bike on a subscription model with the opportunity to upgrade to the latest model when it's released. That will change how upgrades and new models are released. Having said all of that, the manufacturers will have to get their environmental and sustainability policies in place before they move to that model.
Hit 50 this year ............... I needs an e-bike ;-) That Orbea looks PERFECT for me.
consider buying your own Ebike motor and battery, and put it on a 10yr old mountain bike with hydraulic brakes - if you're not mechanical have a mechanic assemble it for you for 100 bucks, it's not that hard to do. - keep in mind this channel is legit trying to frame this to you as an advert and wants you to pay $9000 for their advertised brands when you can establish a better bike yourself for around $2500 - far be it from me from telling you how to spend though, the thing that's nicer about the older bikes is the components work well enough, and are cheaper to replace, repair people are better suited to repair them too where as on newer bikes they probably won't have parts/try to extort you cuz of your expensive bike. - my ultimate point is think about what you could get with your $6500 extra - you could buy a top end road bike and smoke 99% of guys half your age through pay to win alone! :') - maybe the money figure I'm giving isn't a 1 to 1, but it should be close enough to the idea I'm putting out there.
As always, it's all about you and how you ride your eBike and what you are aiming for. I appreciate it when eBikes bring more people into cycling.
My Orbea Rise really suits me and my local trails. I can ride from my house, do a lap of reds/blacks, then ride home. It would be much harder to do that on my non-emtb.
I usually get over 4+ for aerobic and 3+ anaerobic, with medium mode on trails and high for fire road climbs. My core gets a good workout too.
It's absolutely improved my fitness and I've lost nearly 2 stone since i bought it last year. Prior to that, my hard tail would get run outs at the weekend, but it took too long to ride a curcuit during week days.
I love mine and would definitely go light emtb again.
Appreciate your compassion and verification for sensible use of an e-bikes use honourably. Most people I work with complain that the batteries drain quickly at full-power on the throttle. Or that their e-bike are the cheaper alternatives to their cars. Other says that they don’t like to sweat or riding 9 kms is too difficult. Thank you again for demonstrating non-liberty-taking use of e-bikes.
6+ years ago I got my first one. It ended my constant commuting in the anaerobic zone and increased the amount I biked throughout the year (Finnish winter) with the end result that my aerobic base & fitness improved (based on sports watch data).
Vs normal bike it can't, Vs doing nothing it can.
Thats what I was looking for lol the truth.
They are different... You have to take into a account the amount of downhill runs you get in on a long day.. If you ride park you know that can be even more of a workout.. and you get better at riding... cause.... more practice.
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Riding downhill even on highly difficult terrain doesn't get you anywhere near as fit as riding uphill, GMBN have even tested this.
@@thegreatseprano9918 Different types of fit. That's why the train differently than XC or Enduro. I'd still love to see anyone who claims it's easy to do a run top to bottom without stopping..... Blake and Sam Pilgrim tried to do it at Whistler and could barely hold on to the bars at the bottom of the run.
Wil gmbn racing be covering this years/season xc,enduro,downhill?
Live or highlights ?
I'm using a full power Turbo Levo 23, since november 23, and only reducing a bit how quantity I eat normally, I lost almost lost 10kg... I'm riding 3 times a week in non super hard trail, 31km and I do it in 1.15h more or less 21-23Km/h pace, so I think eBikes let you put massive effort and ride as fast as you can in a less time that it would take in a regular bike, BUT you must push hard in your legs to maintain cadence and pace so from that cames the final effort.
Dadbod + time squeeze between work and family life = need for being efficient.
And with my Transition Relay I can bang out laps where it's possible to shuttle, and climb faster on the regular single tracks around here.Climbing is also much more fun and inspires to put in more effort, going at stuff I'd never concider riding up before 😁🤘
I recently bought my electric bike full power full suspension because I'm not a spring chicken anymore, and I still want to get out there with a little help and in comfort 😅
If you let yourself get old by riding an e-bike, you’ll get old faster
@@Chops00 Yeah cause riding everyday with elevated heart rates is bad for you... smh
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ that’s a new one. Exercise is bad for you?
@@Chops00 ..... bro. It's called sarcasm... but the idea that you're some how going to get older faster because you're not blasting yourself in zone 5 for 45 mins vs 2 hours in zone 3 is just dumb.. lmao... This is the age old sprinter vs endurance running but on bikes..
I have a full power Mondraker crafty and for me it's the perfect workout tool, I can connect a heart rate monitor and with the built in power meter I can track my effort during the ride on the system display. You have all kind of data without needing to buy other stuff. It's definitely more fun to ride so I get out more often, it's also mind blowing the climbs you can tackle with the proper technique and high effort, after that you get the reward of going down at full speed with a super stable and planted bike. So if you in to that, make sure you get a proper Enduro or DH suspension because you are going to need it to go down after you climb the unthinkable.
I ride for fun, relaxation, and for the never-ending quest for dopamine. So naturally, I ride a full power EMTB. Sure, some or simply maintaining is great. Fitness is found in the gym and trail running for me. There's a reason why there is more, much more equipment in the gym other than a stationary bike. Likewise, there is more, much more to actual fitness than simply pedaling some bicycles around.
MTB, SL, EMTB. It doesn't really matter. Just go out and ride whatever brings you the most joy. Remember, this sport was berthed by some guys partying on a hill side and riding beach cruisers down it. This sport was made to be fun and not taken so seriously. Cheers,
what power mode was used for this test? I see similar heartrate differences between my normal bike rides and my SL bike rides.
I do love how bike riders are so concerned with ebike rider fitness. 😅 You hardily if ever see an ebiker commenting on a biker’s fitness. 😂😂😂
It’s like the 26,27.5,29 debate. Ppl always get triggered by other opinions/experiences.
I'm starting my first year of mountain biking after several years of sedentary lifestyle, and having a cheap e-bike (as in $300 to $500, not the usual meaning of "cheap" in the MTB industry) alongside the analog bike helps a ton for building endurance by staying in the second cardio zone. On the analog bike I can train for a good while, but it's mostly anaerobic because I'd have to pedal so slowly that I fall off the bike to keep my heart rate low. The e-bike has also become my full-time grocery vehicle, and is generally just a much more enjoyable way to get around town and explore. As usual, it's horses for courses, so don't buy into the comments that treat it as an all-or-nothing ordeal. If you're getting outside more and sitting in your car less, that's a huge win for everyone.
During lockdown I did 1188 miles and lost so much weight and improved my fitness that shocked me.
Another thing to consider is the effect a heavier e-bike has on muscle strength. An e-bike might not be quite as good as a regular bike for cardio but for upper body strength, throwing around a heavy e-bike is much better than a regular bike.
Great video, really interested to learn about this type of bike. I’ve an old hard tail that doesn’t get used because of concerns of fitness, this Orbea looks like a solution, full suspension looks a bit high maintenance though. Great video and fantastic bike
People with e-bikes tend to ride more than people with standard bikes. That’s all bike riding though not just recreational riding. Which is important because people with e-bikes aren’t necessarily hitting the trails more often, but they are driving less. They are more likely to ride their ebike for a trip that would have historically been done via a car. So overall they get more mileage and time a on the bike than standard riders.
I just got a Levo SL. The first ride I did on it, I got an extra 5km done in the same amount of time and got pretty much the same workout as I would on my MTB. It really all depends on how hard you go. For me, I love the exercise and will always push myself, the SL just lets me cover more terrain in the same amount of time.
I tend to ride for longer with the emtb. I usually tend to run out of legs (currently the start of the season) after two laps or an hour 30 of riding with my Amish bike. With the emtb I usually get to 6 laps and 2 hours before I wear out. I’m hoping it will be more than that by season end. Also I don’t run out of legs so much as the whole body is sore after 2 hours of pushing hard on the emtb. By the end of summer I’m hoping to be up to 8 laps.
Depends on what you are doing with that... e-mtbiking can be really demanding if you focus on technical and you must stay fit to do it properly.
Like the video with somber music, we’re testing something important here… 😄
This data along with your last full fat emtb data just makes sense. Riding the full fat on lower settings did improve my fitness no question. I just ride more. 😎
My Ebike gets me out riding more. Last year, I dropped 30 lbs in a month and a half before the bike broke and I was out of the bike for another 2 months. I didn't ride the acoustic bike as much as I was riding the ebike. I never learned to like climbing on the acoustic so without the assist, the acoustic bike as just a suffer fest. There is a series of flow trails near my office. If I bring the acoustic bike, I have 1 lap in me and burn 1500 calories and don't really have much fun on the down because I used everything for the climb. If I bring the ebike, I burn 1000 calories per lap on ECO mode, but I have something left over for the downhill which I then have a lot more fun on. Oh, but I can then do 3-5 MORE Laps, so I end up burning 3000-5000 calories and have an absolute blast riding.
As a fat guy, hoping to be an ex-fat guy, I have a Rockrider E-bike. So not the super fancy things on here.
Recently rode FoD a few weeks ago. I can tell you, even using the max boost, going up that push up floored me. I wouldn't have been there with an analogue bike. E-bike is definitely getting me out there and helping me improve my fitness without me failing at riding because I don't have the stamina at the moment.
That's amazing, it is a steep climb! Keep us updated on your progress 🤙
How much battery was left at the end on that ride could you do another lap on the same battery?
As normally I would do a trail ride for 1.5-2hours but that would be my day done.
But if I had enough battery I would probably do 3-4 hour if possible so maybe doing more calories per outing.
When I rode without any battery at all, I was doing about 1000-calorie burns at a time. Now that I mostly go with the lowest level on the pedal-assist, because it's such a blast I'm doing about DOUBLE that per ride...2000-calorie rides.
You put in the same effort. You are just arriving faster.
I‘d like to hear a training expert/coach on this. For me, the full e-bike also makes sense. When you have a long endurance ride prescribed where you should not go in the anaerobic zone, the e-bike makes that possible on a lot more of terrain.
There are a few videos of UCI DH fitness trainers talking about using them quite a bit. You can find one of them on The Ride Companion podcast but EMBN also did a few segments as well.
Switched from enduro 2021 Canyon strive to Canyon Strive:ON, and will not got back to acoustic enduro bike. I will add a Downhill bike to the stable for all the lift assisted bikeparks. I simply like the fun of riding. Saving energy on the uphill to smash the downhill is a win for me with e-mtb.
Each will have their resons. My biggest issue was (according to my garmin watch) that I was overreaching on every ride on my accoustic bike, but now I can keep most of my riding in zone 3.
At the end its all about fun, people talking down on emtb is just silly, you aint a proffessional mountainbiker, chill out and enjoy the ride.
When I tried an eBike I thought Eco was plenty of power to assist me because I am in relatively good shape. I also downshifted into the easier gears on bigger climbs, so even the smaller amount of Eco assist made a huge difference. That was on a bike that was nearly 60 pounds! All I could think when riding it was that I wish the bike was lighter, especially on the downhills. To me, a bike like this Orbea is an excellent idea. I never cared for Turbo mode on a regular eBike. Sure, it was fun to use it and just easily power up a steep climb, but it provided little to no benefit for me fitness wise. So I did most of the climbs in Eco. I think I would like a bike like this, mostly because it's much lighter and I honestly wouldn't need all the much assist.
If you get an e-bike and continue to do the same trails you do on a mtb of the same distance, it does burn less calories. Fact, done it many times.
You “can” get the same work out “if” you ride with as much effort and further.
hey love the daily content, keep it up😃😃
Thanks, will do!
No man. Keep the motor bike stuff on eGMBN
Does that mean that with this ebike, I get only a little less training. A bit bigger pricing, a bit more maintenance, have to remember to charge it. But it will help on days where I drive with someone faster than me? And oh ya the hardest ride was when driving e on empty battery. - Wishing for more and better battery charge&replacement kiosks. Thanks for the good vidz.
Normal bike Vs ebike is analogous to say lifting a heavy weight say 3 sets of 10 Vs a light weight 1000 reps. Both will make you work but only the former will build power / strength.
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Excellent background music.
I have made a suggestion on gmbn but what about for those people with range exiety you ride without the battery..these light bikes can be so versatile and cross between analogue and ebike so best of both worlds o use mine with and without power especially when trying to improve my fitness and power 👍🤛
You can also just switch the motor off/assistance to zero when it's not necessary... unfortunately most of these 'tests' GMBN/EMBN undertake have the riders running in full-power/turbo the whole time - when practically the assistance selector is there for a reason.
@@jmo2752 Exactly, I have mine tuned on my SL so that I have about half assist but full power if I really push hard like to get up a hill and the accerleration completely off. I tuned the other settings for different function.. Boost, everything is all the way up including the acceleration for really steep climbs... and I have the lowest mode with 1/4 power, full assist and acceleration for long rides back to the car or home after a long ride. It's awesome you can set it up how YOU want it!
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ yes, I do think it's unfortunate that a lot of these eMTB videos on CZcams only focus on the maximum power/speed available, and riders going full-bore the whole time - when practically speaking the main benefit of having the pedal-assist is to help you up a steeper hill, and who doesn't want that?!
I think anything that helps people start and keeps people riding is awesome!
Couldn't agree more 🤘
Have done a few epics
Monarch crest, continental divide above steamboat springs and a shorter one gold dust above como all in Colorado. 2024 I’ll compare them with my Husqvrna LE-MC. 🎉
I ride ebike (Kenevo) and analogue (Scott Genius) , probably the Scott more but whenever I ride the ebike I generally get a higher heart rate or around 5-10 BPM ...think it's because I climb stuff on the ebike that you simply cannot on analogue
At 6:44, all I could think of was putting a mud cap on that water bottle
I lost over 100 pounds with an e bike while everyone was telling me it wouldnt work lol.
I used an eMTB from Lapierre to ride to work last year. It did make me fitter. I'm overweight. so I would not have ridden were it not for the assistance, BUT I followed a fairly strict set of rules, only using the boost going uphill, over canal bridges etc. Everywhere else, downhill or on the flat I was going hard at it just pedalling a very heavy MTB.
Keep going. Zone 2 for 2 hours a day
Does anyone know where this is?
It's at the Forest of Dean cycle centre 🌲
my downhill hr is higher than the climb on my amish bike, but my ebike friends can do more laps, so i whip out the bungee for a tow when im dead and theyre not.. but im in better shape when their batteries die riding the same trails, but its not a huge difference
Where is xc whippet isaac? he is not on the channel anymore?
Hopefully by the end of this year I will buy an e-bike because I am moving to an area with a much more expansive Trail Network but with all those extra miles to ride I still don't have any extra time so my main reason is just wanting to cover more miles in the same amount of time I'm hoping that this type of e-bike is exactly what eill allow me to do that without feeling like I'm riding a dirt bike
Did anyone else notice the stem says no gap but there is a gap?
Nice advert for emtb...
A standard mtb will always be superior for fitness compared to an ebike.
But a ebike give you more range, and downhill its way harder to slow down that strenghts you upper body, Arms and hands.
I have more fun on a eeb. Just go out, ride and have fun.
Sure it's exercise - look at the shape of Mr SB(Shimano Bosch) Jones.... Why doesn't Mr Jones compare his fitness level to an XCO rider of a similar age, who's career is Mountain Biking?
My gripe, is eBikes for kids - sure some exercise is better than none, but we're setting the bar very low if this is an entry point.
No bike, electric or standard can make anyone fit that’s up to the person on top of the bike.
When are Orbea going to ditch the Shimano? Quite tempted except for that.
I switched back to regular mtb. I gained weight on ebike😂.
I wondered if the results were different if the rider wasnt already fit?
That could be an interesting test to do 👍
It's that simple: I wouldn't ride at all if I hadn't my ebike. So it definitly improves my physical and mental fitness.
ebikes are awesome fun , you have a huge assist so you get to ride a lot longer , and you dont feel it......till the next day ... OH BOY DO YOU FEEL IT
Not in my case because I didn't use it much, the guy I sold my turbo levo to got fatter and slower tho 😂
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Reference Pinned TV ebike v mtb comparison see how that turned out...personally if you are time poor and you are disciplined enough not to get hooked they are great also for uplift alternative excellent but as an only bike for average riders not so good if biking is how you keep fit
I ride both (the ebike alot more recently) and I've seen no loss in bike fitness.. gained fitness if anything. But then my ebikes only lived in Eco mode. To be honest all "my friend actually put weight on" BS stories make me laugh. If you rode a motocross bike enough you'd loose weight, so these people not getting fit on ebikes must be riding them straight to an all you can eat restaurant on turbo mode 😂😂
if you're over weight, or have a disability - an Ebike will get you some exercise, and yeah you'll lose some weight because you're spending time not engaging in habits that gained you the weight in the first place. If you're a person trying to train their already somewhat established cardio system, no an ebike is not going to get you to a next level, but it can help maintain your current level with less strain on your tendons, and muscles during recovery days. - I ride my Ebike on days where my muscles, and joints can't take anymore, and that's where it's truly helping me still get out and keep up routine. Cardio is the best way to lose weight, and on an Ebike you'll be doing way less of it/likely won't even go to 50% of your bodies limit.
They just tested on EMBN an XC loop on both XC and Full EMTB.. It's all about the settings and how hard YOU push it... You can always walk a regular bike too if you're tired or it's too steep. If you're super fit and young... you can push an Emtb WAY WAY harder than a regular bike because of the stuff you can climb and the amount of laps you're gonna do. I prefer the SL it's the best of both worlds.
Riding over winter I realized that the e-bike helps me manage sweat and the amount of cold air going in my lungs. Combine that with being able to cover a bit more distance in a limited amount of time and its a win for me.
When the battery runs out and you gotta pedal somewhere with the heavy @ss bike you'll get in really good shape LOL.
I bought a mountain bike magazine the other day and it had very few bikes that were not electric.. nothing but rechargeable motocross bikes. I guess I'm done with bike magazines forever.
e bike = soft legs
Summarizing the comments. If you are fat and/or lazy, and would otherwise not be able to or not want to ride, then it’s better for your fitness than sitting on the couch. Otherwise, it is objectively not better for your fitness.
Blah blah blah... Yawn. It's a bike. If it has a motor it helps you up the climbs and it's easier. If it hasn't, then it's you doing all the work. Simple peeps. 😘
It depends on your fitness level, I’m 56 and I know me pretty well…a e-bike would negatively affect my fitness. If you want an e-bike then get one, no one really cares, stop calling people haters just because they have an opinion on an e-bike that you don’t like…it’s all good.
When you say an emtb would negatively affect your fitness, do you mean that you would give less effort to go at the same speed as your normal mtb, as opposed to riding an emtb with the same effort but going faster? Why do you feel your fitness would be affected negatively? Just curious. 👍🏻
@@Daffy0208 I have a Trek Fuel EX, my LBS is cool and loaned me a Fuel EXe. I rode my “big loop” on my favorite local trail system, it cut a few minutes off my ride , my heart rate stayed much lower, and I was not near as tired as I am after that ride on my Fuel EX. I only have a limited amount of time to ride so I couldn’t ride further and turning the assist down seemed like a waste of the extra $3000 cost of the bike…it wasn’t for me, maybe someday but not yet.
@@Daffy0208he says that because, just like most who have negative opinions on e-bikes, he’s never actually ridden one for any significant amount of time.
@rustychain9518 It looks like you gave less effort on the emtb? I might be misunderstanding but what you've said about you didn't have time to go further, is one of the biggest benefits of an emtb. I'm not trying to sell you on it, but the only way that would have happened is if you gave less effort than your normal mtb. If you gave the same effort you'd have seen the same heart rate but ridden much further. Maybe they're just not for you. 👍🏻
@Scomelbasses I understand why you might think that but .... surely that's just as bad as people with negative opinions about emtbs? Yes, it does sound like it, as he mentions the cost .... would his opinion be different if there wasn't much difference in price?
How does this video contribute anything positive to the Mountainbike scene?
Seems more like a bike check lol
In other words these bikes are pointless might as well just ride a trail bike.
They can ruin your wallet - remember that these videos are sponsored by people wanting to sell new technology bikes without any standard fit electronics and motors and no plans for long term upgrades - of course not why would they? Ebikes are money pits: pay 10k for one, refurb everything at a premium, and of course, carry that weight during your 10 rides a year. Regular bikes + lift tickets baby! don't fall for this scam (unless if you are rich of course) or if you want rent them out.
You can get an emtb for 3k... some cheaper than regular bikes so.
Does mtb'r only ride their bike downhill? Because it seems like most of them are so weak that they need a motor to ride
Garmin doesn't know what bike you are on so when you are going 15mph up hill it thinks you are doing all the effort when the reality is the e bike is doing most of it. Therefore bumping up your stats.
It's up to you to enter the correct [bike] details in your Strava etc.
@@jmo2752 but they use Garmin
There is an entb category in strava. My garmin automatically links with my orbea and gives me cadence/charge/power stats and uploads it to strava emtb.
Ofc, some folks just stuff rides in the regular mtb category, which is unfortunately. It's hard to know how well you are comparing to others without motors then.
Strava could probably do more to detect/remove rides in the wrong category though.
Will not ruin your fit, will ruin everybody else time, going crazy fast and tail gating people who are really pedaling. E-Bikes will ruin MTB
Cheater bikes suck so bad! I’ll talk crap to everyone I see riding one!
They won't hear you... they'll be past you before your ignorant words even register.
@@jmo2752 tell me how does feel being as fast as a top XC racer on the trail, but fat, out of shape and haven’t earned nothing. Do you feel proud of yourself?🤔
Unless you have a specific medical reason for needing an Ebike. The best place for these bikes is down the local refuse centre! Anything with a motor has NO place on Mountain Bike trails.
Agree, i only use an ebike to control my heart rate.
This channel used to be full of comments like yours hating on e-bikes.
They’ve gotten less and less over the years as those same commentators actually tried an emtb, realised how much fun they are and had to eat their words when they ended up buying one themselves (I have a normal mtb and an emtb for the record).
Good to see there’s still the odd salty commentator out there hanging on in!
Everyone give him a wave and a smile to try and cheer him up as you go past him on the trials 😂
@@rgd1977he’s right E-bikes are for lazy snowflakes or maybe old, fat, and disabled people! And When you pass me on your Cheater bike! I’ll just think “what a Girly man” and then yell Cheater bike! Making you feel pathetic your whole ride😆
@@rgd1977 I've ridden quite a few Ebikes actually thank you very much! Yes they are amazing! However, they are NOT Mountain Bikes. Anything that has a motor has absolutely no place on Mountain Bike trails unless you have a genuine medical need. Having a motor in a bike is NOT what Mountain Biking is all about. These bloody things are a scourge of the trails for people who ride proper bikes, you know...ones without a motor! It's a shame people seem to have forgotten that. Hateful things!
EMTB, like a normal mountain bike, only better!
It depends on the rider and going too fast for safety, and a person with less weight will always have less injury. Injury of being fat matters. Fat people should go slower for safety. I'm just saying.
Lol put the pipe down man
@zed5129 ok... may you don't understand clearly. You might have wonderfully groomed trails there, but here in Vietnam, it's steep, but the rocks are mostly wet and slippery, and I don't care what tore you have. Too fast will get you in the ER like I just did. I wish they gave me more pain meds, but I have none. Lastly, the trails are not maintained, and no signs are warning anything. It might be very dry, one area, then very wet and lots of bike eating grooves. So what keeps your bone together? Fat or muscle. Better just staying slow if you are fat. It's a long slip n slide for fat folks on ebikes here. There is no helicopter to save you either. I know. I was passed out 2 days about on the side of the mountain. It's my fault. I take full blame. Thank God i made it back. 🙏 beautiful there, though. I am going back with different tires and more rear brake. Lol 😆 🤣
E-bikes are for humans over 45 ✌️
No, they are not.