The fact they made deck configuration changeable is about as huge as it gets for me. When you can go from cruise to fish in less than 5 minutes or really even at all, I am SOLD! Too bad the big toon builders never in all their years came up with that yet seadoo does it on their first toon. Once again.....Sold! Thank you SeaDoo!
Turn it into a fishing platform with spot lock trolling motor, shallow water anchor, fish finder and i-Pilot. SeaDoo could knock a home run by offering a state of the art fishing package from the factory. Imagine how inexpensive it could be if SeaDoo negotiated the right deal with Minn Kota, Hummingbird and Motor Guide. Before long there would be SeaDoo fishing tournaments. SeaDoo could put pressure on the entire leisure boating industry with this innovation.
First thing I thought of when I saw this. Stick a live well in there somewhere. Ideally down low like their storage locker. However maybe a quick lock set up like the seats. Not sure how they would handle the plumbing to it though. It would make a nice fishing platform. Pretty unique boat that marks a lot of checkmarks on the list. One boat does all kind of design. I see why there is such a demand for these. My wife figures we should wait a couple of years as there is no doubt some improvements coming from the original. Give them a chance to engineer all the bugs out. No design is perfect from inception so in a couple of years they should be even better.
Excited to say I'm getting the sport 18ft for family fun and I personally can't wait to put to my fishing challenge and I have no doubt it's going to be an amazing machine point blank, have a Blessed day everyone
These are gonna sell like hot cakes. A seadoo with seating for 5-9 will be very desirable. If the kinks are worked out, which they should be being the motor is a common lineup, you’re gonna see these everywhere. Seadoo nailed it here.
This boat looks awesome. We can't wait to get to an auto show to see it in person. I think the additional cost is due to accessories they have added like the coolers, storage bags, and console bags. If you take them out it pulls the price down a bit. That starting at price is bare-bones - like no chairs, floor mats, mirrors or anything..
You're missing some big points in that comparison. 1. This is a tritoon design which is inherently going to ride better/faster/safer than 2 round, non lifting toons. 2. This boat does not require an additional 3' of storage space for the outboard/well. 3. These are very lightweight, towable by most 3 row crossovers.
We just pre-ordered here in Manitoba, Canada Only one dealer allowed to sell and limited to 15 units. I called 2 days after seadoo live video on 2022 models. They already had 10 spoken for, so good thing I called. I had a few builds lined up but realized same thing about engine, so we went with the 18 foot cruise with just about every option and 100hp. So after warranty is over I’ll get it flashed/tuned to at least 170hp and maybe higher we’ll see. But getting the 100hp saved $6,000 right on build package compared to 170hp 🤷♂️
You make a good point. When I bought my Sparks back in 2016 I got the two ups but with the 90HP motors. Not long after there were tunes available from a lot of places that could easily get you 110HP. If I had known then what I found out later I would have ordered the 60HP versions and just tuned them for about a forth of what it cost me to get the upgrade from Sea-Doo
I was able to build one for $17,999. Just choose Compact then click the "Continue without bundle" oval button. You might need to do it on the computer website as opposed to the mobile version on a phone. My wife swears she saw a Seadoo Swith go by on a trailer as we were driving in Pasco Washington today. I barely got a glimpse at it so I couldn't be %100 sure. Looked like a blue Switch to me.
as to your last question: the answer is: YES. please purchase 2 of these. one being the lowest end, the other being the 230HP. and i promise to sub and watch the comparison drag race between a tuned up 1630 ACE 100HP and a 1630 ACE 230 HP! can't wait.
Bass Pro’s boat price excludes the trailer while the SeaDoo Switch includes the trailer so yes, even at $20k, it’s still cheaper. But don't forget that BRP also adds a Commodity Surcharge on all its products. I would guess between $2,500 & $3,500. So while their initial MSRP is low, it still costs you the same in the end. My I/O 4.3 l Merc only does 190 hp so the 230 should move that rig pretty good, but that 300 hp tune would be nice.
Yes you could tune the 1630 from 100hp to 170hp naturally aspirated. Slap a supercharged setup and another tune and you could get 230hp to 300hp. A lot of manufacturers do it. Kawi does it with the ultra. Same motor just a supercharged added and tune. Yamaha 1.8l supercharger and tune. It’s nothing new. I’d be more curious what it would cost for the supercharged setup for it.
i can see these things all over the Gulf coast of Florida as the perfect boats for the rental market. Boat clubs can make bank using these boats. very smart keeping the cost down.... they will change the market.
probably going to be around the 170-200hp mark as that would be the same about as the gti/gtx170 that dont have a supercharger, where as the gtx 230 has a supercharger either way going to be fun watching these out at the lake next year. probably could buy the base model 100hp throw a supercharger on it and push 300hp
I highly doubt you will see people tuning these to those numbers, and if they do the engines won't last long. The 250-300ish motors are forged internals. Something with 100ish hp is getting cast junk internals
Even after I clicked build and "pre-order" at the end of everything it still turns out to be 21k, obviously this is going to be 17.9 from dealers though... I got it after though
@@jRoundHouseNinja yes they do, i recently built another and sent it over for quoting. calling up the dealer this weekend and maybe sending a pre-order for the 5 person 100hp switch
Outboard manufacturers have always done the same thing with their engines. Same block, displacement, etc. with different hp ranges. For example, the supercharged Merc Verado pro L6 came in 200, 225, 250, 275, & 300 hp. All had the same specs.
You won't be able to tune the 1630 ACE Engine to 250HP without a supercharger/turbo. The most you'll be able to get is around 170HP if it's Naturally Aspirated (Which is the highest HP Naturally Aspirated engine in the Seadoo lineup). The 230HP and 300HP 1630 ACE engines are both supercharged I also don't think most people will tune it. Sure, some will tune it, but most people who buy one will have no idea what engine it has, or that turning the engine is even an option
i was under the impression the 230hp was NA (based on the web information at the time). however, the 100/170 will certainly be able to be tuned over 200hp. 250 was an estimate based off it being NA, we're more likely to see 200ish
The engine setup reminds me of the Sea doo speedsters (which I happen to have a 2011 150 - 155hp) They had 155 215 255 The engine setup goes from base with cast internal components and very minimal performance To Forged pistons, bigger fuel rail, bigger injectors, added supercharger & plus size supercharger, Aggressive tune and added intercooler etc. Combine this with wider pump diameter, this allows Sea Doo to make the ‘same’ engine but make it configurable for everyone which keeps cost of production down.
May not be the cheapest but maybe it is. The difference between the Sea Doo price and Bass Pro is the Sea Doo includes a trailer and double or even triple the HP.
It’s just different. Jet boat will plain and accelerate a lot faster then prop boats but top end speed isn’t as much. With the 21ft 230HP the top end is around 44MPH which is pretty good for a pontoon. The 170 in a 18ft will be in the mid 30s. I’ve owned a couple Yamaha boats and several jet skis. I think this will be a great first boat! It’s light and easy to tow with most SUVs. I don’t think you would be disappointed.
@@hobanm45 100hp on a Jet drive vs propeller setup is different Jet setup needs 30% ~ more power to equate to the same level of performance So a 130 hp jet drive setup would be the same as a 100hp propeller setup This is due to Jet drives relying on thrust to get going. Also keep in mind they burn more gas I had Yamaha wave runners and a sea doo speedster 150 - 155
its probably a cam and tune, but and this is a big but if you can find a totalled rxpx and get the cams and supercharger do a rebuild on the supercharger maybe see if the waterflow on the cooling is different get that 13 foot pontoon to 350+ hp
@@WeTryMotorsports also you can do the tried and true gear change on the supercharger and probably blow the engine up but try for 400+ hp especially if you go to a machine shop and have them grind you a hotter cam maybe do some overlap and new headers for the exhaust
Same block, not the same motor. I believe the internals are different on the supercharged variants. I would expect the NA versions of the engine to last significantly longer than the supercharged versions as the block is overbuilt relative to the power output.
They tell you in very plain english, the 1630 - ACE 230, it a supercharged engine. Superchargers add a LOT of horsepower. They are not de-tuning down for the small boats, they are beefing up for the bigger boats. There are independent videos showing the 170 racing the 230, and the difference was significant.
I'm not sure the argument here... The 100hp motor and the 230hp motor are the same. Nobody is saying a super charger wont add power, that would be a ridiculous claim. A 100hp version and 170 are the same as well. the 100hp is, in fact, detuned.
@@WeTryMotorsports Perhaps if they ARE detuned, its because it may be inherently dangerous for a 170 HP engine to be in a 13 foot pontoon boat? Yes it will PROBABLY be ok..but I've watched a the US nave chop a 24 foot into pieces because it had a lowered transom. The NAVY refused to sell the boat at auction because of the liability. *shrug* Either way, I dont think its an effort to rip anyone off. Its a pontoon boat, not a speedboat.
Going from 100 hp to 300, or 230 for that matter, can be as simple as a tune, can it? Even throwing a supercharger on it, and doubling the HP seems crazy.
The 100 is a detuned 170, for production purposes all the Sea-Doo machines use the same motor. The 100 horsepower is detuned, the 170 is modest. The 230 is modestly supercharged. The 300 is safely supercharged. There are differences between the 100 and the 300 internally but not many. Check out the new video on this, the 100 can be tuned to 200 safely.
If you get the 100hp version you can’t get a Bimini top. Sea doo made it where the top that fits on the other Switch models won’t fit on the base boat. You gave to get the 170hp sport.
The Bass pro shop pontoon is junk compared to the switch and has HALF the horse power!! I think they look AWESOME! A lot more of the younger crowd would buy these because of the "cool" factor I believe
I’m gonna switch, lol ! Actually was going to get a used jet, but going to wait for this- just wish they made a 15’ so would fit in a normal garage-13’ is too small.
we'll find out. I just got in contact with Sea-Doo on more information. More than likely there will be more options in the next few years - hopefully including a 15 footer. I'm pretty sure you can add a swim platform on the 13' making it 15' long - but i might be wrong on that
@@WeTryMotorsports but you said in the video that people were going to put a tune on the 100hp engine and crank it up to 250hp. All I'm saying is that's not possible with a na engine.
@@Dshawkins1984 information at the time of release was the 230 horsepower engine was NA, as in the description it was edited based on information at the time. The 100 horsepower engine is possible to tune just over 200. 250 can still be achieved with 100 horsepower motor if forced induction is introduced, either way that little 12 and 1/2 ft pontoon boat is going to be an absolute game changer with that power.
There's no doubting it the 13-ft model will be extremely rough in water but it will also be extremely fun. Sea-Doo spark comes to my mind. The reason why I bought the Sea-Doo spark was not for a leisure ride but for a fun ride haha
My concern would be if I purchase a switch rated for 100hp and then aftermarket tune it to170hp 250hp or 300hp am I compromising the structural integrity of this vessel putting my friends and family at risk of a structural catastrophic failure at 50mpr. Before I got on the internet and claimed this was a good idea I would want to ensure that motor bolstering and structural design of all the switch models are identical regardless of the HP ratings.
100 and 170 internals are exactly the same. 230 may have very slight changes via torque specs and mild upgrades internally, but mostly everything is the same. I ended up getting the 170 instead of the 100 because the add-on items to the sport were the same cost, plus the Bimini will be like 2500 alone. Anyways I put a few newer videos out on it
I was able to get the configuration at $17999 so I’m not sure what you were missing. I think you inadvertently reselected 16ft as shown in your video when you get to the pre-order screen.
They changed the site following, I'll do a follow up video but before when you clicked "customize" it would only do $21k minimum. It was fixed a few hours later
I am surprised there isn't a fish and ski model can you go trolling speed without holding the throttle at all times and how much water do you need for the boat to float
The bass pro one is not going to be as fast or nimble... Also if you click the continue without options button (right above the 3 packages) it's 17,999$... The packages add creature comforts
@@WeTryMotorsports awesome! Thank you. Where are you located? Perhaps we could collaborate and we could try foiling behind it? czcams.com/video/tgG35D1S1rI/video.html
One of my biggest questions with the Switch is the ability to pull an adult water skier. I haven't seen any videos from anybody so I'm wondering if these can and if so, do you need the 230hp models to do it well.
Yes, easily. Plenty of videos on it. Anything above the 100hp(nontuned) will do it. 170 compact is designed to do it, same with the 230 versions any size
Yes, Bass Pro has a cheaper boat but....... that's not including price of trailer which all Sea Doo pontoons come with not to mention your going to be buying a 60 hp motor and lets be honest who wants a top speed of 15 mph. Also use that Bass Pro pontoon for 3 or 4 years then replace all the rotted wood under seats in floor ext. You will never have to do that with the Sea Doo pontoon. Plus Sea Doo just looks cool.
100 and 170 versions of the 1630 ACE are identical and can be tuned to 200+ HP - see my newer video on this. The design is directly taken from the GTI which currently has 195 / 200 / 215 HP tunes from RIVA. It's already available. I just spoke with Sea-Doo who confirmed the motors are identical for production purposes. czcams.com/video/2Lg9eBIRAyA/video.html
@@WeTryMotorsports Agreed with this. Just not the 250-300hp you were comparing to. I see you talked about that in the new video. Thanks for the upload, it is all very helpful information.
The Bass Buggy doesn't include the trailer, where the Seadoo Switch does. So if you add in the trailer for the Bass Buggy it'll be more expensive than the Seadoo Switch (when it's 17 999)
i own a bass buggy 18, which is actually a 20ft pontoon. I can get new one for 22 to 23k i believe last i checked. better resale long term on a suntracker over these seadoo throw aways.
@@mikeh4053 They've been out for less than 24 hours and you're saying they are crap and don't have any resale value? I'm sure you're a lot of fun at parties.
@@3akoscielski look at the price of them. They have some perks for sure, but they arent a Bennington, so dont ask bennington price. Your right 17999, for a tiny one. They move up very quickly.
@@3akoscielski if you buy a seadoo switch in 18ft, which is what i have for my suntracker bass buggy 18(which is really 20 ft), list price is $32499. I can get into a new bass buggy for 27k with trailer. 6k higher to get a seadoo. if you want a base line switch for 18k, go for it. If you want to properly make an apples to apples comparison, or as close as you can, you will find a suntracker is by far cheaper.
@@WeTryMotorsports Sounds like Sea-Doo's way of encouraging people to buy the higher package. Only reason I was interested was because the base model is so much cheaper at 16ft and holds 7 people. Then the 100hp motor, if tuned for $400-500, can get you another 100+ HP which makes the cheaper model the route to go.
@@smitty8403 I can't begin to describe the trouble I'm having with my pre-order on the base model. I will be doing an update video on this, it's very annoying
@@WeTryMotorsports Yes, please keep me posted. I feel that Sea-Doo has a running reputation in the personal watercraft spectrum that is pretty good. They have come out with a great alternative to ugly pontoon boats that combine watersports and cruising. I just feel that they might not have all the kinks worked out with production and delivery. I'm not one to pull the trigger on a pre-order for anything. I'll let them get their bearings, watch some reviews, and make an informed decision in a few years, if they are still around.
@@smitty8403 that is definitely the smart choice, as a video content creator this is a dream to be able to purchase one. I put down my pre-order from Sea-Doo then I called all the dealers in my local area who did not have any left. Keep in mind this the day after announcement. A few accepted my initial pre-order request but then denied it after knowing which model I wanted. This last dealer I pre-ordered from got all the way to taking my credit card information, then two days later they refunded me and told me none were left??? You can imagine, this is not a fun scenario. I have an open case with seadoo again and expecting a call from a executive.
I think people are going to tune them and super charge them. I'm gonna have to have the sport compact and just as soon as the warranty is out it's on from then on I'm going to have more power 😈
The fact they made deck configuration changeable is about as huge as it gets for me. When you can go from cruise to fish in less than 5 minutes or really even at all, I am SOLD! Too bad the big toon builders never in all their years came up with that yet seadoo does it on their first toon. Once again.....Sold! Thank you SeaDoo!
Exactly!
Facts. My wife and I are jet ski fanatics. We took one look at this and were blown away. Looking to get one next year.
Excited to see people running shallow and jumping logs with these things
I feel like people are going to hate on these until they see one ripping across a lake pulling a wakeboarder. I’d buy one
exactly, wait until it hits the water - this is going to be big
Great point. Tune that little 16 footer and it will be an absolute blast. Looking forward to seeing these on the water.
Actually it's 12.3 feet lol, imagine that
Turn it into a fishing platform with spot lock trolling motor, shallow water anchor, fish finder and i-Pilot. SeaDoo could knock a home run by offering a state of the art fishing package from the factory. Imagine how inexpensive it could be if SeaDoo negotiated the right deal with Minn Kota, Hummingbird and Motor Guide. Before long there would be SeaDoo fishing tournaments. SeaDoo could put pressure on the entire leisure boating industry with this innovation.
Is compact sport good for fishing? I’m thinking the same
Its will be announced in Aug/Sept SWITCH FISH, livewell like on the fish ski
First thing I thought of when I saw this. Stick a live well in there somewhere. Ideally down low like their storage locker. However maybe a quick lock set up like the seats. Not sure how they would handle the plumbing to it though. It would make a nice fishing platform.
Pretty unique boat that marks a lot of checkmarks on the list. One boat does all kind of design. I see why there is such a demand for these. My wife figures we should wait a couple of years as there is no doubt some improvements coming from the original. Give them a chance to engineer all the bugs out. No design is perfect from inception so in a couple of years they should be even better.
Excited to say I'm getting the sport 18ft for family fun and I personally can't wait to put to my fishing challenge and I have no doubt it's going to be an amazing machine point blank, have a Blessed day everyone
These are gonna sell like hot cakes. A seadoo with seating for 5-9 will be very desirable. If the kinks are worked out, which they should be being the motor is a common lineup, you’re gonna see these everywhere. Seadoo nailed it here.
Im Interested.. cant wait to see one
This boat looks awesome. We can't wait to get to an auto show to see it in person. I think the additional cost is due to accessories they have added like the coolers, storage bags, and console bags. If you take them out it pulls the price down a bit. That starting at price is bare-bones - like no chairs, floor mats, mirrors or anything..
You're missing some big points in that comparison. 1. This is a tritoon design which is inherently going to ride better/faster/safer than 2 round, non lifting toons. 2. This boat does not require an additional 3' of storage space for the outboard/well. 3. These are very lightweight, towable by most 3 row crossovers.
Wow, your video chapters are awesome! Never seen them done so well on CZcams! Excellent video
We just pre-ordered here in Manitoba, Canada
Only one dealer allowed to sell and limited to 15 units. I called 2 days after seadoo live video on 2022 models. They already had 10 spoken for, so good thing I called.
I had a few builds lined up but realized same thing about engine, so we went with the 18 foot cruise with just about every option and 100hp.
So after warranty is over I’ll get it flashed/tuned to at least 170hp and maybe higher we’ll see.
But getting the 100hp saved $6,000 right on build package compared to 170hp 🤷♂️
How much does it cost to get the motor tuned to 250?
You make a good point. When I bought my Sparks back in 2016 I got the two ups but with the 90HP motors. Not long after there were tunes available from a lot of places that could easily get you 110HP. If I had known then what I found out later I would have ordered the 60HP versions and just tuned them for about a forth of what it cost me to get the upgrade from Sea-Doo
Bingo, that's why I bought my 60hp spark and put a $400 tune on it lol
I was able to build one for $17,999. Just choose Compact then click the "Continue without bundle" oval button. You might need to do it on the computer website as opposed to the mobile version on a phone. My wife swears she saw a Seadoo Swith go by on a trailer as we were driving in Pasco Washington today. I barely got a glimpse at it so I couldn't be %100 sure. Looked like a blue Switch to me.
as to your last question: the answer is: YES. please purchase 2 of these. one being the lowest end, the other being the 230HP. and i promise to sub and watch the comparison drag race between a tuned up 1630 ACE 100HP and a 1630 ACE 230 HP! can't wait.
Bass Pro’s boat price excludes the trailer while the SeaDoo Switch includes the trailer so yes, even at $20k, it’s still cheaper. But don't forget that BRP also adds a Commodity Surcharge on all its products. I would guess between $2,500 & $3,500. So while their initial MSRP is low, it still costs you the same in the end. My I/O 4.3 l Merc only does 190 hp so the 230 should move that rig pretty good, but that 300 hp tune would be nice.
Yes you could tune the 1630 from 100hp to 170hp naturally aspirated. Slap a supercharged setup and another tune and you could get 230hp to 300hp. A lot of manufacturers do it. Kawi does it with the ultra. Same motor just a supercharged added and tune. Yamaha 1.8l supercharger and tune. It’s nothing new. I’d be more curious what it would cost for the supercharged setup for it.
Only problem with superchargers is that you will be replacing it every 100 hours
@@davidd9510 will be extra maintenance involved but for people like me I don’t mind doing it.
i can see these things all over the Gulf coast of Florida as the perfect boats for the rental market. Boat clubs can make bank using these boats. very smart keeping the cost down.... they will change the market.
My two stroke speedster boat is a monster! Funnest little boat ever made.
probably going to be around the 170-200hp mark as that would be the same about as the gti/gtx170 that dont have a supercharger, where as the gtx 230 has a supercharger either way going to be fun watching these out at the lake next year. probably could buy the base model 100hp throw a supercharger on it and push 300hp
Lol it will definitely be interesting to see, whipping 5 people off the 230-250hp 12 foot pontoon boat lmao 🤣🤣
I highly doubt you will see people tuning these to those numbers, and if they do the engines won't last long. The 250-300ish motors are forged internals. Something with 100ish hp is getting cast junk internals
Same motor, but the 230 is supercharged. I updated the video with a newer one in the description
@@WeTryMotorsports same block but as Nicholas mentioned forged internals on the supercharged versions.
Choose “Build” in the top right, don’t select a bundle. That’s how you get to the $17k starting price point.
Even after I clicked build and "pre-order" at the end of everything it still turns out to be 21k, obviously this is going to be 17.9 from dealers though... I got it after though
@@WeTryMotorsports I recorded a video on how to preorder at the $17.9k price point: czcams.com/video/ayYomqZdvhQ/video.html
@@chelseaadams3559 awesome job
All builds come with trailers
@@jRoundHouseNinja yes they do, i recently built another and sent it over for quoting. calling up the dealer this weekend and maybe sending a pre-order for the 5 person 100hp switch
Outboard manufacturers have always done the same thing with their engines. Same block, displacement, etc. with different hp ranges. For example, the supercharged Merc Verado pro L6 came in 200, 225, 250, 275, & 300 hp. All had the same specs.
You won't be able to tune the 1630 ACE Engine to 250HP without a supercharger/turbo. The most you'll be able to get is around 170HP if it's Naturally Aspirated (Which is the highest HP Naturally Aspirated engine in the Seadoo lineup). The 230HP and 300HP 1630 ACE engines are both supercharged
I also don't think most people will tune it. Sure, some will tune it, but most people who buy one will have no idea what engine it has, or that turning the engine is even an option
i was under the impression the 230hp was NA (based on the web information at the time). however, the 100/170 will certainly be able to be tuned over 200hp. 250 was an estimate based off it being NA, we're more likely to see 200ish
@@WeTryMotorsports Looks like there are tunes out there to get it up to 200HP with 91-93 Octane fuel. That was just from a quick google search though.
@@3akoscielski exactly, that's going to be awesome on a 12' pontoon boat lmao, can't wait
@@WeTryMotorsports If you ever need someone to come out on your boat with you just let me know 🤣
I think the 230 in the 19 footer would be just fine.
I believe the compact is 13 feet, not 16. The 16' is their middle size configuration minus the 2' swim platform.
it is actually 12 foot 6 inches! I own one lol
Bass Buggy doesn’t include the trailer though.
Yes it does
Plz buy one, tune it and do videos of it to make me fall in love with it and even convince me to buy one just like how you did with the spark😂😂
lmao, i am tempted
the compact sport looks hella fun and it's lightweight and can be towed by almost anything!
💯
The engine setup reminds me of the Sea doo speedsters (which I happen to have a 2011 150 - 155hp)
They had 155 215 255
The engine setup goes from base with cast internal components and very minimal performance
To
Forged pistons, bigger fuel rail, bigger injectors, added supercharger & plus size supercharger, Aggressive tune and added intercooler etc.
Combine this with wider pump diameter, this allows Sea Doo to make the ‘same’ engine but make it configurable for everyone which keeps cost of production down.
I’ve worked on it, and had to un-add accessories to get it back down to base price
It’s still very reasonable. I priced out like the top line one and it’s still under $40k which for a new boat today is a great price
Saw a pontoon going for 87,000 dollars the other day, few weeks ago I saw one for 98,000.. Like.. who tf is buying these
@@Will-tm5bj a sea doo one?
@@reiddameron4481 no they were big ol fancy ones
Just ordered ours, can't wait!
Did they give you an eta on it?
@@bryanschiffli3284 January or February
January!! My quote was April, either way I’m ready!
Good info. I'm going to buy the Switch and tune like you said to 230 hp. Thanks for the heads up!
Before you go to fast, check the updated description and new video - it's 200hp capable because Sea-Doo confirmed the 230 is supercharged.
@@WeTryMotorsports Yeah, I saw that in the comments. I will probably go for the 170-200hp tune. Thanks.
May not be the cheapest but maybe it is. The difference between the Sea Doo price and Bass Pro is the Sea Doo includes a trailer and double or even triple the HP.
You would have to add a supercharger to get 230. Any pontoon with less is non supercharged. Same engines as jet skis and polytech hull like my gti 170
Agreed - Website has a typo. You might be able to tune the 100 to 170hp if we are lucky, but not 230.
The difference between the 60-90 spark was the ability to rev out an extra 1000rpms that’s all easily tuned
Buy it & tune it. Please........can hardly wait for the results. Should be fun
Just hope someday they will have a fishing package option to choose.
Coming in 2023
Keep in mind the HP of a jet isn’t the same as the HP of an outboard
Does it equal more or less than an outboard? Im looking at getting one for my 1st boat. Should i look at the high hp one?
It’s just different. Jet boat will plain and accelerate a lot faster then prop boats but top end speed isn’t as much. With the 21ft 230HP the top end is around 44MPH which is pretty good for a pontoon. The 170 in a 18ft will be in the mid 30s. I’ve owned a couple Yamaha boats and several jet skis. I think this will be a great first boat! It’s light and easy to tow with most SUVs. I don’t think you would be disappointed.
@@hobanm45 100hp on a Jet drive vs propeller setup is different
Jet setup needs 30% ~ more power to equate to the same level of performance
So a 130 hp jet drive setup would be the same as a 100hp propeller setup
This is due to Jet drives relying on thrust to get going. Also keep in mind they burn more gas
I had Yamaha wave runners and a sea doo speedster 150 - 155
@@pugbongo my 2003 Sea-Doo sportster has a 155 hp Rotex it tops out at 60 mph
I am purchasing the Cruise 18' model with 170 hp. I would love to know where to go to get this "tuned" to improve speed in order to tow skiers.
its probably a cam and tune, but and this is a big but if you can find a totalled rxpx and get the cams and supercharger do a rebuild on the supercharger maybe see if the waterflow on the cooling is different get that 13 foot pontoon to 350+ hp
that's so awesome lol
@@WeTryMotorsports also you can do the tried and true gear change on the supercharger and probably blow the engine up but try for 400+ hp especially if you go to a machine shop and have them grind you a hotter cam maybe do some overlap and new headers for the exhaust
I really like the pontoon but I’m just waiting for them to redesign the spark hopefully next year 🤞
definitely! i hope next year they'll make a banger
i mean they've looked the same for like 6 years lol
@@doozy1776 yeah somethings got to give at some point, hopefully we see a new one
@@doozy1776 going on 8 years with virtually 0 changes other than colours
@@WeTryMotorsports is it even possible to get a ski right now with covid issues? like I'm trying to get just a base spark and I cant seem to find one.
FYI- the 900ace in your spark is capable of over 500hp, it’s being done in the Maverick x3
The max you can go without the super charger it’s 170hp . Anything up to 170 you will need a super charger !
200ish without
Heck yea smaller more hp tuning is the way ty for bringing this to r attention
I'm pre-ordering soon I can't wait to tune this 100 horsepower motor over 200
i was able to get it to the 17,999 by removing all accessories from the build sheet.
yup, i was eventually able to get it there as well. they enabled more options on the web page now lol
I did the same thing but kept the over head cover for about $800.
It’s because the engine cc is the same but the 230 is supercharged and they tune the engines differently with timing and cams
Same block, not the same motor. I believe the internals are different on the supercharged variants. I would expect the NA versions of the engine to last significantly longer than the supercharged versions as the block is overbuilt relative to the power output.
Check the video description
It's crazy that the price changes but you get the same motor
Yup, although the 230 is supercharged it's all the same motor
They tell you in very plain english, the 1630 - ACE 230, it a supercharged engine. Superchargers add a LOT of horsepower. They are not de-tuning down for the small boats, they are beefing up for the bigger boats.
There are independent videos showing the 170 racing the 230, and the difference was significant.
I'm not sure the argument here... The 100hp motor and the 230hp motor are the same. Nobody is saying a super charger wont add power, that would be a ridiculous claim. A 100hp version and 170 are the same as well. the 100hp is, in fact, detuned.
@@WeTryMotorsports Perhaps if they ARE detuned, its because it may be inherently dangerous for a 170 HP engine to be in a 13 foot pontoon boat? Yes it will PROBABLY be ok..but I've watched a the US nave chop a 24 foot into pieces because it had a lowered transom. The NAVY refused to sell the boat at auction because of the liability. *shrug*
Either way, I dont think its an effort to rip anyone off. Its a pontoon boat, not a speedboat.
Id need the sport with the mini sun pad at the front…
Going from 100 hp to 300, or 230 for that matter, can be as simple as a tune, can it? Even throwing a supercharger on it, and doubling the HP seems crazy.
The 100 is a detuned 170, for production purposes all the Sea-Doo machines use the same motor. The 100 horsepower is detuned, the 170 is modest. The 230 is modestly supercharged. The 300 is safely supercharged. There are differences between the 100 and the 300 internally but not many. Check out the new video on this, the 100 can be tuned to 200 safely.
Can I plug my 300 into that? Safely?
You, as the driver, are responsible.
You don’t need to be at full throttle at any time, drive it like you own it.
Reminds me of a redesigned Sea Doo Sportster.
Yes please buy one !
It's very likely!
If you want one? You should put a deposit on it now. I have one coming in may/June. My dealer sold the allotted 18 already I believe.
Yeah definitely, Check out my latest video, what a pain to get one!!!
I’m guessing it might be the same sized engine without the supercharger.
If you get the 100hp version you can’t get a Bimini top. Sea doo made it where the top that fits on the other Switch models won’t fit on the base boat. You gave to get the 170hp sport.
Yes you are correct. My newest videos have this info as well. That's the only reason why I went with the sport compact
Keep in mind they are charging an additional $2700 "commodity surcharge", so you can't buy one for even close to their "list" price.
Yup, freight as well. 23k turned into 28.5k very quickly lol
The Bass pro shop pontoon is junk compared to the switch and has HALF the horse power!!
I think they look AWESOME! A lot more of the younger crowd would buy these because of the "cool" factor I believe
The one I priced out was about $40k…I can get a nice Groton for that!
And?
That was it! Did you miss something?
That was it! Did you miss something?
That was it! Did you miss something?
What is that
Comparing the Switch price to the Bass Buggy is not apples/apples. The Switch comes with a trailer. Bass Pro boats do not. The trailer is extra.
I’m gonna switch, lol ! Actually was going to get a used jet, but going to wait for this- just wish they made a 15’ so would fit in a normal garage-13’ is too small.
we'll find out. I just got in contact with Sea-Doo on more information. More than likely there will be more options in the next few years - hopefully including a 15 footer. I'm pretty sure you can add a swim platform on the 13' making it 15' long - but i might be wrong on that
The 100 and 170hp engine are na and you won't get 250hp without adding a turbo or supercharger. The 230hp is a supercharged engine.
I'm aware read the description
@@WeTryMotorsports but you said in the video that people were going to put a tune on the 100hp engine and crank it up to 250hp. All I'm saying is that's not possible with a na engine.
@@Dshawkins1984 information at the time of release was the 230 horsepower engine was NA, as in the description it was edited based on information at the time. The 100 horsepower engine is possible to tune just over 200. 250 can still be achieved with 100 horsepower motor if forced induction is introduced, either way that little 12 and 1/2 ft pontoon boat is going to be an absolute game changer with that power.
Yes! I would go for longer length tho for rough waters then tune it max out
There's no doubting it the 13-ft model will be extremely rough in water but it will also be extremely fun. Sea-Doo spark comes to my mind. The reason why I bought the Sea-Doo spark was not for a leisure ride but for a fun ride haha
My concern would be if I purchase a switch rated for 100hp and then aftermarket tune it to170hp 250hp or 300hp am I compromising the structural integrity of this vessel putting my friends and family at risk of a structural catastrophic failure at 50mpr. Before I got on the internet and claimed this was a good idea I would want to ensure that motor bolstering and structural design of all the switch models are identical regardless of the HP ratings.
100 and 170 internals are exactly the same. 230 may have very slight changes via torque specs and mild upgrades internally, but mostly everything is the same. I ended up getting the 170 instead of the 100 because the add-on items to the sport were the same cost, plus the Bimini will be like 2500 alone. Anyways I put a few newer videos out on it
Anyone know if it could be used for surfing?
GET IT, TUNE IT, SHOW US HOW!
got one, tuning it lol
honestly though, you can't get too much HP out of them. they're near maxed around 180hp. so video was slightly off but was hoping for more. oh well
What no one is talking about is....DOES IT HAVE NIGHT LIGHTS!?
Yes it does!
@@alizagregbrunsing4431 thanks
Everytime you put compact it was giving you the 16ft model. The compact is 13ft so it just wasnt allowing you to select compact.
yeah that was release date it's good now lol
@WeTryMotorsports I pick up my 18' sport in 14 days I'm so hyped haha
@@1WithTheDark sweet! they're awesome machines. enjoy it and have tons of fun
The Bass buggy does not come with a trailer which is another 2300 bucks where as the ski doo includes a trailer also.
Does the tune void the warranty ?
Yes. That is the case with any type of machine.
I was able to get the configuration at $17999 so I’m not sure what you were missing. I think you inadvertently reselected 16ft as shown in your video when you get to the pre-order screen.
They changed the site following, I'll do a follow up video but before when you clicked "customize" it would only do $21k minimum. It was fixed a few hours later
My concern would be the hours that the engine would last. Can you provide any information on the amount of hours it would last?
200hp holds up pretty well on the GTI tune, definitely getting a 5 year warranty though lol
@@WeTryMotorsports We put over 100 hours a year on our current pontoon and I’m thinking this may not be more than a 3 or 4 year boat.
@@MikeMcCormick1325 lucky you!! Haha. Time will tell for sure, otherwise we have to look toward the GTI for comparisons
@Charlie Got Locks you need a boaters license, it's a one day course in my state
All there boats include a trailer, you pay extra for a trailer with others pontoons. That’s crazy.
Yup, definitely. Check the newest video on the description
I am surprised there isn't a fish and ski model can you go trolling speed without holding the throttle at all times and how much water do you need for the boat to float
If these take off as much as we think, there will be a fish pro version of this no doubt. I plan on already making a fishing version of this on mine
The bass pro one is not going to be as fast or nimble... Also if you click the continue without options button (right above the 3 packages) it's 17,999$... The packages add creature comforts
Are you aware of anyone trying ballast bags to wake surf behind a switch?
Nobody officially has one yet... so no, not yet. I'll have mine in May so if my vids are popular enough I'll try it out.
@@WeTryMotorsports awesome! Thank you. Where are you located? Perhaps we could collaborate and we could try foiling behind it? czcams.com/video/tgG35D1S1rI/video.html
@@WakeThief send me an email in my about page. New England
I am going to soon. At about 11mph with some people in the back the wave is good
Compact is the 13ft for 17999 the 16ft is what you put in and of course it jumps in price to the 20999. 3 more feet is 3000 more.
Yup, and it goes up exponentially from there. I want the 13 ft, I even pre-ordered one but the dealer won't fulfill it.
Definitely tune 1 up!
I plan on tuning the one i get
I want one!
Yes please let us know on tunning. So i can do same
How would these boats do in salt water? I am looking for a boat just like this for the sea.
Not great IMO. These are bay boats at absolute best
One of my biggest questions with the Switch is the ability to pull an adult water skier. I haven't seen any videos from anybody so I'm wondering if these can and if so, do you need the 230hp models to do it well.
Yes, easily. Plenty of videos on it. Anything above the 100hp(nontuned) will do it. 170 compact is designed to do it, same with the 230 versions any size
@@WeTryMotorsports Thanks for the information. Can you point me to some of the videos?
@@jeffdixon4404 can't link em, but there's a few out there boilerplate ones from seadoo
Yes, Bass Pro has a cheaper boat but....... that's not including price of trailer which all Sea Doo pontoons come with not to mention your going to be buying a 60 hp motor and lets be honest who wants a top speed of 15 mph. Also use that Bass Pro pontoon for 3 or 4 years then replace all the rotted wood under seats in floor ext. You will never have to do that with the Sea Doo pontoon. Plus Sea Doo just looks cool.
Agreed, plastic does break down but as long as you keep it covered it will look brand new.
170 and under is not supercharged. The internals are a bit different and tuned separately. The 100 cannot be tuned to over 220 without a massive cost.
100 and 170 versions of the 1630 ACE are identical and can be tuned to 200+ HP - see my newer video on this. The design is directly taken from the GTI which currently has 195 / 200 / 215 HP tunes from RIVA. It's already available. I just spoke with Sea-Doo who confirmed the motors are identical for production purposes. czcams.com/video/2Lg9eBIRAyA/video.html
@@WeTryMotorsports Agreed with this. Just not the 250-300hp you were comparing to. I see you talked about that in the new video. Thanks for the upload, it is all very helpful information.
@@SU8ARU Definitely, thank you for watching! The 250 mark was based off initial information that the 230 was naturally aspirated, which is incorrect.
The 230hp engine is superchargered vs NA 170hp engine
of course
As I’m sure many have told you you just don’t choose the bundle and that’s how you get it at the 17 nine
It wasn't an option in this video since this was on release day. but check the one in my description
Yeah me want to see that!!: a beef up 13 footer with swimplatform😅😅
The Bass Buggy doesn't include the trailer, where the Seadoo Switch does. So if you add in the trailer for the Bass Buggy it'll be more expensive than the Seadoo Switch (when it's 17 999)
i own a bass buggy 18, which is actually a 20ft pontoon. I can get new one for 22 to 23k i believe last i checked. better resale long term on a suntracker over these seadoo throw aways.
@@mikeh4053 They've been out for less than 24 hours and you're saying they are crap and don't have any resale value? I'm sure you're a lot of fun at parties.
@@3akoscielski look at the price of them. They have some perks for sure, but they arent a Bennington, so dont ask bennington price. Your right 17999, for a tiny one. They move up very quickly.
@@3akoscielski if you buy a seadoo switch in 18ft, which is what i have for my suntracker bass buggy 18(which is really 20 ft), list price is $32499. I can get into a new bass buggy for 27k with trailer. 6k higher to get a seadoo. if you want a base line switch for 18k, go for it. If you want to properly make an apples to apples comparison, or as close as you can, you will find a suntracker is by far cheaper.
@@mikeh4053 yea but does it come in coral? 🤨
It's all about tuning... might as well by the small one and tune it up!
Except you will be replacing the supercharger every 100 hours if you put one on
@@davidd9510 why not a turbo?
You can get it down to 17999 by taking off all the accessories that are Automatically added
Just like taking a 185, slapping in 215 internals and a SC
The trailer is included on the price
I doubt that you can tune the engine more than 170hp as anything above that has a super charger.
Check my video in the description, I go more into depth on updated info and now I'm depth why 200+ is attainable
With the basic model, does that model come with the Bimini top like the Sport and Cruise models or is that extra?
The dealer mentioned not being able to add it, but they offer a sunshade which is super weird. It's the same platform and side skirts.
@@WeTryMotorsports Sounds like Sea-Doo's way of encouraging people to buy the higher package. Only reason I was interested was because the base model is so much cheaper at 16ft and holds 7 people. Then the 100hp motor, if tuned for $400-500, can get you another 100+ HP which makes the cheaper model the route to go.
@@smitty8403 I can't begin to describe the trouble I'm having with my pre-order on the base model. I will be doing an update video on this, it's very annoying
@@WeTryMotorsports Yes, please keep me posted. I feel that Sea-Doo has a running reputation in the personal watercraft spectrum that is pretty good. They have come out with a great alternative to ugly pontoon boats that combine watersports and cruising. I just feel that they might not have all the kinks worked out with production and delivery. I'm not one to pull the trigger on a pre-order for anything. I'll let them get their bearings, watch some reviews, and make an informed decision in a few years, if they are still around.
@@smitty8403 that is definitely the smart choice, as a video content creator this is a dream to be able to purchase one. I put down my pre-order from Sea-Doo then I called all the dealers in my local area who did not have any left. Keep in mind this the day after announcement. A few accepted my initial pre-order request but then denied it after knowing which model I wanted. This last dealer I pre-ordered from got all the way to taking my credit card information, then two days later they refunded me and told me none were left??? You can imagine, this is not a fun scenario. I have an open case with seadoo again and expecting a call from a executive.
You’re praising the 16 which may only be available but the $17,999 is for the 13’
Check out my new video, my whole idea of impact is around the compact
I think people are going to tune them and super charge them. I'm gonna have to have the sport compact and just as soon as the warranty is out it's on from then on I'm going to have more power 😈
I'm going to get mine in early August. I will be tuning it!!!
Would this is be ok for a saltwater lagoon and a boat lift?
Sure why not? Just don't go in shallow water or heavy chop lol
13’ 100hp is $17,999 every time before accessories.
Yeah this was first day it was announced so it wasn't on the website. They fixed it day after
Your trying to give your opinion and you have no idea what you are talking about