Former Post Office executive denies ‘bullying’ subpostmistress
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- Angela van den Bogerd, a former Post Office executive, gave her evidence for the second day at the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry in central London.
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Suddenly her memory is crystal clear. How odd.
Yeah when the outcome makes,her look innocent her memory is superb......when the outcome can make her look guilty the memory goes out the window.......i do like this K C though as he really does stick it these POL employees harder than any of the others.......
aw so true
Very concerning how bad the memories are of these post office executives. How do they get these jobs when they can't remember anything? How does anyone work with these people if they can't remember anything from one week to the next? I wonder if Vennells will be able to remember anything of the last 15 years or so?
@@fatwalletboy2 That is a theme of a lot of the witnesses, who have conveniently selective memories. Vague on anything incriminating and crystal clear on things they remember not doing, such as reading a particular document.
Bullies always deny bullying
She should be in jail for perverting the course of justice.
The question is would you be in jail for perjury and perverting the course of justice 🤔
I dont understand why they didnt fix their system and accounting practises as it was wrong from day 1, this is 15 years later.
This is what she was trying to avoid, hence all these sudden lost of memory with no re-collection on key emails and meetings relating to the prosecution and Horizon 😁
Cold. Evil. Repugnant.
Of course she denies it. She is a ruthless liar with no empathy.
Angela van den Bogerd seems pure evil!
Sorry to disagree. 'Is' not 'seems'.
A EVIL woman. A disgrace to all that is happening
She should go to prison
Remarkable - her amnesia has been cured!! So many things she can not remember but all of a sudden she has absolute clarity about something that happened years ago. It's a miracle!!!
'Bad stick of rock with POL through the middle of it' Absolute class!
OMG. The amnesia disappears when it suits this lady to cite specifics.
exactly. this is a disgrace on a grand scale. appalling
A totally unreliable, devious witness. She held a lofty position, sufficient to sit alongside Paula Vennels in front of a panel of MP’s, yet repeatedly claimed to be nothing more than a paper shuffler - receiving emails she couldn’t be bothered reading, forwarding them to less senior colleagues and choosing to ignore their responses. Her evidence defied logic, on the few occasions she could actually remember anything. She spent years ignoring the evidence in front of her, defending the indefensible to the last. Truly appalling.
There a song by Peter Gabriel called I Don't Remember that started playing in my head when watching this: "I don't remember,I don't recall,I've got no memory of anything at all".
Since it seems she rarely ever did anything except sit at a desk ignoring all she was told, how come she was paid any salary? Time to return all your salary van den Bogerde since clearly you didn't do any work for it.
Well said! However, sadly, this won't happen 😠@@roswilliams2899
Someone's pants are on fire.
Throw away the key, outrageous arrogance of this lot. I hope her and vennells get custodial sentences and their bonuses given to those affected by Horizon.
Yes please!
Its a 100% correct and she admitted much during the legal case in 2019
She is currently working as an HR contractor and has recently overseen making 100 staff redundant at a company called Integral UK Ltd, she must be so proud of her contribution to society
I wonder how much longer she will be employed at that company?
WOW!!
How could the PO have so many non-inquisitive/incompetent/negligent/forgetful managers?
‘Criminals’ sounds more convincing from what I’m hearing!
When you work in a place a really long time you start to believe you own a little bit of it
Happens in all companies All they are interested in is climbing the grease pole Doesn’t matter what lies need to be told or who they hurt on the way All that matters is them and their career
Incompetent, negligent managers? Sounds familiar. Even now she comes across as arrogant, entitled and resentful. Just my opinion of course
@@HAIS-hr3lz you are not alone!
They are bloody criminals
Its strange, that when questioned, she usually, cant, remember, most things, but in this instance,which had serious consequences, she remembers everything, chapter and verse, without consulting any notes.
She clearly has some serious problems...
What a terrible human being
Fujitsu also need to be held accountable especially Gareth Jenkins… they need to compensate the the Post Masters with at least £10 million pounds each and Fujitsu should also pay us back the tax payers in excess of a Billion pounds and consequently should pay significant fines!
JAIL TIME!
Minimum dismissal with NO PENSION, NO other benefits, no bonus and a massive fine to recover what she has been paid in the past
No jail minimum, people are dead because of her actions.
PRISON.
Aww, bless.
Lock her up
Judge Peter Fraser criticised Van De Bogherd her testimony and said she "did not give me frank evidence, and sought to obfuscate matters, and mislead me".
Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry, challenged Ms van den Bogerd's opening statement, as he accused her of not saying sorry for her own role in the scandal…
The actions and motives were to save money and for personal gain in the way of significant benefits & bonus pay outs!!! Not to protect the brand.., it was to protect shareholders and save the business from going bankrupt!!
A vile liar who should be on trial. Take back every penny of her ill gotten bonuses.
Middle management in this country is now absolutely full with these people
Strange thet she CAN remember 'NOT BULLYING' this subpostmistress, she seems not to 'recall' anything else. 🤫🤔🤥🤨..........
You can hear the coldness in Angela's voice..😢
Don't give her a name other than a devil's apprentice
How can be someone be so evil we asked the question about Hitlers concentration guards
She remembers everything clearly when it’s in her defence 😮
Given how many times Van Den Bogerd blamed her faulty recollection, why should anyone take her memory of this incident seriously? In addition to being found to be a liar in her statements to the Court of Judge Fraser, she’s also maintaining that she was pathologically inattentive and doesn’t remember in her testimony to the inquiry.
Highly anticipated she will serve
I'm quite sure Angela van den Bogerd didn't have that kind of conversation on those two occasions. Angela is indeed telling the truth. However, this conversation was when Mrs Odell was being threatened with paying back the money, which suggests a conversation *before* those two which are mentioned. As usual, a distortion of the facts, wilful omissions, and a contempt for the truth.
Bullies always deny because they are safe in the knowledge of the best times and places they choose carry out their abuse. Of course no one saw her. A practised seasoned bully has already had years of practice in recognizing who they can threaten, when they can do it and how they could get away with it. Worst, their proficiency in avoiding truth telling can take years before pay back time rolls up.
Strange how she can remember all that detail…… to defend herself……. She can recall it.
Jail .
A hallmark of a pathological liar is their memory is crystal clear when defending against circumstantial and incriminating evidence, yet, they cannot recall anything when asked about their incriminating conversation. In other words, a hallmark of a pathological and perjerous liar is they remember things in their defence but forget things in their guilt.
Even when presented with the paper trail she and others still carry on lying. All of them not even any good at it either.
Don't forget they actually left a paper trail reminding them not to leave a paper trail!
She remembers that she didn’t bully this sub post mistress but can’t remember anything else… 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
She needs to be in jail
Oh her memory seems to be working? Remember who many people in the room during the conversation... But cant recall anything else? 🤔
Just one of the mysteries of ... Oh, wait!
Why isnt this being done in court.
They said Mrs O'Dell was lying about the missing money then, and she's saying that Mrs O'Dell is lying again. Who do we believe, Mrs O'Dell, or this character ?
Selective amnesia and loads of not me guvnor
She remembered to turn up for the inquiry. Which is incredible.
She hides behind a defence of forgetting everything else that happened at this time, but now expects us to believe her clearly remembering something very specific in one conversation against just one subpostmistress……. I call BS!
the way the people in these postmaster's communites turned on them is callous, cruel and shameful. This is great britian at its worst.
Everyone of them involved in putting poor people through this for their own gain should be jailed.
Cold, heartless woman. Why would the postmistress make it up when it’s been proved the post office was lying
she's guilty as sin, and she knows it.
Why isn’t she locked up in jail ????
So she remembers what she didn’t do then? Her memory comes and goes.
Lies and more lies to try and save her own skin. Shame on you , shame!!!
There has to be serious recompense over this,it’s utterly disgraceful ,lies and more lies..formal arrest and charged for conspiracy to to defraud not with standing other related charges.
Lying through her teeth
She is running circles around everyone who questions her.....just like Vennells will do
She must go to prison
Legal action needs to be taken.
She is evil.......................
She’s full of arrogance & contempt for this inquiry having only a selective memory……
The Post Office executives are ‘so sorry’ but all have amnesia when any question is directed at them.
The Government should make sure all these Execs are fully investigated by the police and charged appropriately.
They’ll never return their millions in wages and bonuses but at least a bit of jail time might give them a taste of what damage they’ve caused hundreds of people.
Let’s see if the Government has the guts to pursue this properly.
she claims to have a perfect memory, when it suits her
Fantastic speaker Sam Stein, he puts everything CORRECT to her.
About the only thing she can remember.
Cheat, court, convict, covert ………. anyone able to think of any more applicable words beginning with C and ending in T? I can. It’s an awful word but in this instance totally justifiable. No other epithet comes close.
She deserves a CBE award.
C*** Bereft of Empathy.
Tar and feather the lying cow
The should lose her pension and asked to repay her redundancy.and be jailed...........What happend to the money that disappeared?
What I still can’t understand is how could they be so nieve as to think they could keep all this going and would resolve itself without anyone knowing.That Fspm rep said they helped the posties.No they didn’t.That particular lie,was featured in the Bates vs Post Office.All they were interested in was protecting the brand,as they all were.I’m surprised that wasn’t picked up.That Bogerd c@w knew everything and was Venal Vennells attack dog.Its going to be very interesting to see how Vennells try’s to slither out of the truth.
Amazing that she can remember conversations with people when there's no record of what she said...but hasn't a clue about emails addressed to her regarding the position and responsibilities she had while working for over a decade...tell me another one
Funny she can remember such detail with when she wants to only to distant herself from meeting a sub postmistress but suffers amnesia throughout. She needs to give up her bonus as she didn't do her job, she was incompetent
Bums on fire say no more.
Having women in leadership positions has really improved society. Their compassion and integrity are inspiring.
Interesting isn't it? Human nature eh? Women are just as corruptible as men! Compassion and integrity are in a similar proportion as men, about 15% imo.....
So you seem to have a issue with women more than anything else. You got mommy issues
Frightening how easily the lies just fall from her mouth.
Ive been put in prison on far less evidence
Absolutely vile woman, I hope there is justice for these poor people 😬
all of the lying scumbags involved in all this should be jailed for what the put the post masters through, absolute disgrace
have to wonder where the money is now. And I wonder how much of it was her bonus
She has a selective memory..............
Ms Van den Boegard memory seems very selective. In as much as she remembers with perfect clarity some conversations that paint her as a bully and has an answer of sorts. BUT, she cannot remember crucial inconvinient emails. No, I don't buy her version at all.
Funny how they can remember some things but not other
She's a liar!!
This one is going to be playing the mental health card shortly
She’s been “Caught Ubiquitously Notbeing Truthful” if you get what I mean.
" ...also, I was nowhere near the Belgrano"
People, please understand the term 'Due Process'. This is an enquiry, an enquiry does not have the power to prosecute anyone telling lies even though van den Bogerd swore under 'oath' at this enquiry! She will not be prosecuted for her lies. What now needs to happen is she faces a civil Court, then she is subject to perjury and perverting the course of justice for lying under oath. If found to be a liar, given the evidence, under the jurstigition of a Court, she can then be prosecuted under a Crown Court and criminally convicted for lying under oath and jailed. The Postmasters have threatened this procedure if the Enquiry do not deal adequately with her lies. This Enquiry is NOT subject to criminal prosecution.
If she is now working as a contractor we need to find out the name of the company and then issue a civil action against her for deformation of characters of the postmasters
Monstrous woman. Jail her !
Why is she lyin', she's always lyin'.
As a Welsh woman I am ashamed that Welsh football has given this lying bully a job she should be sacked and her bonus payments reclaimed from post office and police should investigate her part in this scandle
They knew it was all wrong but did nothing, Fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison.
Her memory is very good when she remembered a conversation from 10 years ago about 1 post mistress. Yet about her role in the cover-up, it gets cloudy again
This woman is a disgrace - ruined lives and taking no responsibility. She’s a LIAR needs to be arrested for perjury, obstruction, lying, fraud
Convenient to remember detail when she needs to and otherwise it appears that passage of time clouds memory.
Course she is gunna deny......
Look into her eyes and you will see her soul it is empty
"Nothing to do with me, Guv".
Evil liars always meet their karma eventually. In the Post Office there will be many people looking over their shoulders as time goes by into the future…….
That's Angela boggerred then.
She hasn't even got the guts to admit what she did.
evil
He didn't ask you a question for examples of when you have met her either, this is a standard manipulative tactic liars use to try and make sure their narrative is more believable.
Why is no-one reminding her she is under oath
.before she replies to every question
They did. Sir Wyn spent about 5 minutes on this before the spm's reps had their time to ask questions. He cited the law in question and made it absolutely clear that she could call upon her legal right not to respond to any question.
This is the *fifth* time VDB has given evidence under oath and her lawyer was in the room all the way during her time in the inquiry chair.
Why do I not believe that woman !!!!