"She Didn't Take Any Responsibility For Her Actions!" Former Post Office Exec Refuses To Apologise
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- A former top Post Office executive has refused to apologise for her role in the Horizon IT scandal, insisting: “I didn’t knowingly do anything wrong”.
Angela van den Bogerd began her evidence to the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry by saying that she is “sorry for the devastation” wrought on subpostmasters and their families.
But when pressed by Inquiry counsel Jason Beer KC, Ms van den Bogerd insisted she had been unaware of critical flaws in the Post Office’s IT system.
“You make no concession or admission that you did anything wrong”, said Mr Beer.
Ms van den Bogerd replied: “I didn’t knowingly do anything wrong.”
TalkTV's Dr David Bull and Sarah Hewson are joined by journalist Nick Wallis to discuss.
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Put her in prison
Cannot understand why she hasn’t been arrested..???
She can't remember the emails!!!? lies, and more lies . She needs to go to jail.
She’s so compromised and a complete liar. She needs her pension taking away for her part in all this, the locking up and the key throwing away
people in high places all have this trait...
In addition, clawback of all the bonuses she received over the period.
I so agree !
@@tenkloosterhermanfor sure !
Even if proven shes a liar she will still get away with it
She's lying all the way through her testimony. I'm American and don't know the UK justice system but she absolutely needs to be held accountable.
This isn't a court of law, it's an official enquiry. (although witnesses have to swear on oath to tell the truth) The judiciary will be looking at this and decide where we go from here. Personally, i think heads will roll eventually. This is why she was playing dumb for most of the two days.
If you are interested, the Paula Vennells appearance next month is going to be a must watch. (May 22nd)
There is lots more mileage in this scandal to come. If its proven that these people lied in a court of law (they did, but it must be proven) over the prosecutions, they are in deep trouble.
@@mikewilson8513 They are indeed... Looking forward to seeing how PV tries to play this.
@@diannepenny407 You are right. Its going to be interesting. It's going to be hard for her to follow Van Den Bogerd in playing dumb. She is very close to the top of the tree, so blaming others is not going to do it.
Don't forget, Alan Bates will settle for nothing else but seeing heads roll. He has been like a dog with a bone for 20+ years, and is not going to let it go any time soon.
I hope he gets a crowdfunding appeal going, so he/they can bring private prosecution, if it needs it. They have the country behind them. I have the utmost regard for him.
The arrogance of those who know they will never be held to account for their actions
@@mikewilson8513 Thank you for explaining it. I hope all turns out well for the victims. I've been watching the 4 part series on PBS and will watch the Real Story documentary this weekend. This should have never happened to anyone.
A truly loathsome woman and I hope she stands trial at some point. I cannot understand how she was ever promoted into such high office in the Post Office? She comes across as totally incompetent to me.
Hopefully she will be charged with perverting the course of justice and get a taste of what she dished out to the SPMs as a result of her covering up and lies under oath
She was promoted for towing the line this is what is going on in all business these days why do you think civil service nhs and all the privatise companies and councils are so poorly run and bankrupt
Nepotism. 🤷♂️
? No family connections at all here.
Civil Servant here. I have seen with my own eyes the decline in the Civil Service over the last 20 yeasr or so. It's staggering how the people who have elbowed the way to the senior positions are just so self-serving and socioparthic. They give talks about their "career journey", i.e how they climbed the greasy pole and are so brilliant, in which they lay bare that they just moved from job to job and hopped from different Civil Service departments on their rise. They have no expertise in anything at all, other than in getting themselves promoted. If someone was needed to close an office and effectively make long-serving loyal staff redundant, these are the characters that happily volunteer to do it (and later use it as an example in their promotion applications in support of how they are brilliant at making difficult decisions). I've even imagined that if it was decided that 10% f people had to be exterminated, these ar ethe people who would happily draw up lists and get it done. I've even come across a few people who I concluded were stratight up psycopaths.
The sooner she faces criminal charges the better. Her partner in crime Vennels needs to be charged too.
No one is goingbto jail they do deserve to but it won't happen
I was aware of it a decade ago, and I don’t work for the post office … she’s a lair , a criminal, she HAS to go to Jail
“She didn’t take any responsibility” but she took the MONEY !
and a man took his life.!!!
A total liar, without any credibility whatsoever. Well done for the KC's who didn't mince any words on her. If anyone deserves to be held criminally accountable over this, she does.
Why are lawyers not telling these people they are lying under oath, and going in hard on them!!!
Because it is an inquiry and they all piss in each others pocket. So many times I have watched lawyers off the hook during this case, its not much of an "inquiry".
Because they are part of this countries institutions that keep the ordinary people down .These poor people will never get the truth.
This afternoon (Friday) one of the lawyers, Edward Henry KC, did accuse her of lying. There’s a video clip of this - he didn’t hold back.
Nick Wallace deserves formal recognition for his tireless work to uncover the Post Office's staffs intentional obstruction, consealing the truth about their egregious actions over so many years. Thank you sir!
Oh stop grovelling
I agree. 👍🏻
Praise due to those who called this out. Look at the computer weekly articles. It's like a complete history of this sorry affair.
It's "Wallis", but yes I agree. I loved his 18 hour long audiobook on the whole affair and have listened to every podcast episode he has done. I hope to meet him in Guildford on 15 May, and also Seema Misra (the SPM who was sent to prison when pregnant).
Hundreds of innocent people's lives utterly destroyed but its no-ones fault.
There never is anyone to blame when the obvious culprit is the government and its aliases,they collectively disown any knowledge of anything pertaining to the case .they know full well they are to blame but hide behind ignorance,you try that one and they will claim ignorance of the law is no excuse
Utterly untrue. It was someone’s fault. Stop standing up for the Post Office.
@@Mikados_Advark12 obviously you don’t do irony,or even sarcasm is lost on you ,Neil wells comment is sarcasm ,of course it’s someone at fault this goes to the top of government it’s their company a government quango run by a corrupt board headed by venells and others
It is an ironic statement, not a defence of the PO.
Prison prison prison
Yes please !
She’s sorry she got CAUGHT!
YES !!! I am staggered at the arrogance and 'pushback' attitude of all of them, no contrition and when some try you can see it is through gritted teeth
Paula Vennels. Remember the old ‘fire and brimstone’ people of the cloth. No compassion whatsoever.
But they didn't need compassion. They needed the truth.
@@breaghboo-gc7ub They knew the truth, but it was more convenient for them to ignore it
This is the sort of slime & villainy within big business.
And government
They know it was all wrong but did nothing, Fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison
Won’t be there backs they’re covering if the go to jail 😂
WHEN they go to jail, not if
their
Some proper punctuation please.
She is currently working as an HR contractor and has recently overseen making 100 staff redundant at a company called Integral UK Ltd, she must be so proud of her contribution to society
She's paid a huge salary, in part to deflect and deny in order to protect the business, but in the end she has to account for her actions. If she won't own up to malpractice and wrongdoing she's a coward.
Her attitude towards the family of the suicide postmaster was pathetic. Only Thames Water would applaud her actions. What do her family think of her?
ANGLIAN Water too.
" You lied to the high court and still got your bonus? " response: " yes " GOTCHA. Perjury charges incoming.
I wish, but that wasn't quite how it was put. The lawyer was becoming that she got the bonus, DESPITE what the High Court judge had said.
They all got massive bonus payouts even when they knew the convictions were wrong but they got paid to keep their mouths shut or lose the bonus. All bonus payments from when Horizon was introduced should be clawed back by the Government and used to compensate the victims of their fraud.
There is a claw back clause in Vennells contract. SUNAK write to her and tell her to pay back all bonus or else court action
She decided to leave. She wasn’t made redundant. But, we are told, she was made redundant. Did Post Office make redundancy payment to her? How much was that?
No wonder it was wrong with those crooks in charge
A woman, not taken accountability for something. Shocked. Diversity at it's best.
It’s the big blame game who’s going to eat the other one first money makes them evil 😢😢😢😢
A judge finds her guilty of lying yet is not jailed
I don't think gender comes into it. A liar's a liar and the post office is full of them at this high level. I remember being appalled by Adam crozier when he was in charge.
Ironic really because they FORCED the wrongly convicted postmasters to take responsibility for something with which that they had nothing to do.
She’s a disgrace - no sympathy for all those ruined lives. No ownership- owned. A blatant liar.
Every one responsible for this horrendous situation has a problem with Memory loss! Selective Memory loss, that is!
Wow lied all they way through she's a coward and the others involved ( being proven they was involved ) should be held accountable and prosecuted for knowing and doing NOTHING, disgusting change laws if needs be so EVERYBODY involved can be charged again disgusting and disgraceful !
She’s already got another job at coutts bank
She was at the Welsh FA.
That explains a lot about Coutts behaviour.
@dianeirvine7624 I hope that's a joke!
Figures.
She will fit in nicely at coutts bank 😮😮😮😮😮😮
To anyone listening to this woman the contempt in her answers is shocking. Her disregard to the absolute obviousness of her knowingly lying about her causing catastrophic damage of immense proportion to all of those postmasters HAS TO HAVE. A LENGTHY PRISON SENTENCE
35 Years - She knew everyone. She managed upwards. She knew and engaged with everyone of importance. She had a personal text after leaving from Paula Vennels. Knowledge was power and her personal brand and she got promoted as she got things done come what May.
For the lives this women destroyed she should rot in jail
What do you expect she is a woman of a type which is now considered leadership material, they will NEVER take any responsibility for anything. This is part of the massive problem we have in the leadership in this country on the whole.
I couldn’t have said it better.
Slightly mysogenistic view, in my opinion. You can find plenty of men with the same credentials. They don't stand out because business and politics is still people largely by men. Both sexes can be equally awful and the people at the the top of the post office are proving this. Adam Crozier to name but one.
@@helenjob What about the people she allowed to go to prison die and live in shame for all those years. But no let's not hurt her feelings. !
@@helenjobNope. A realistic view. And it seems Angela is misogynistic as women suffered because of her. But thanks for your slightly misandrist view.
Colin, while you consider leadership at top levels in this country, I do hope you are talking and taking into account both sex’s. We have seen leadership on all levels and men are equally responsible for never taking responsibility for their failings. Look no further than the Conservative government. Let’s JUST start with Johnson and take it from there.
She and others have no conscience at all; they simply want to cover it all up by lying again and again. They must get a Prison sentence.
Her whole demeanour is very hard faced, she showed nothing but contempt for the press on her entrance and exit to the enquiry. She read an apology with absolutely no sincerity, I doubt she wrote it herself and it seemed like she had been instructed to apologise, and she loathed doing it. Throughout her evidence she was elusive, yet pedantic over her use of language and certain technicalities. Her contempt for the enquiry and for the British legal system is astounding.
They sound like the Nazis at Nuremberg in 1946 where they think they were entirely justified in inflicting pain and suffering on the innocent and claimed to be minor functionaries who were “only obeying orders”!
Good comparison
How can this hateful woman be allowed to get away with blatant lies under oath! Not one ounce of compassion!
Accountability is a woman's kryptonite...
I would like to know what these senior positioned people were exactly doing day to day in their jobs, when they now say they don't have any idea about the facts in question? How do they expect us to believe these blatant lies about their own culpability in this disgusting crime. She's as guilty as all the other bosses of gross mismanagement, especially Vennells.
For this woman to show a regret means she has to find her soul first, and she sold that to the Post Office.
Yes, her soul is just missing.
She had a top job or jobs for many years.she has lied and lied.all throuh for years she had a job at the top with all information within her reach.
How sad that these post office personnel on trial now , who have devastated and caused several to take their own lives ,utterly destroying the lives and families of others , giving as if it helps their hollow apologies in my view it’s disgraceful.
They are not truthful about their involvement in this travesty . I still don’t know how they was aloud to prosecuted these hard working honest workers.
This should have been investigated by the police . 👮🏻
A couple of key traits coming through in her testimony - "Magical thinking", misrembering events, lack of empathy and denying any responsibility. If I didn't know any better I'd say she was displaying all the hallmarks of NPD...
She has perverted the course of justice and needs to be prosecuted, she needs to be sent to prison. She needs to serve minimum of 2 years.
Minimum of 10 years
Everything Angie baby enters the court the song by Shaggy 'It wasn't me' should be played, it is perfect for so many of these recent witnesses and those coming over the weeks ahead.
How come the cps are not being questioned they also prosecuted innocent people.
I could be wrong but I don’t believe the Post Office needed CPS to authorise any charges because the Post Office run their own prosecutions.
@@701Adventures I have had that said before I did check it out on Google and when starmer was head of the CPS during the post office scandal the CPS prosecuted some people themselves and it was said starmer being the DPP could have stepped in .Also Blair was warned at the time that horizon could be faulty.
@@snowyowel7961 They prosecuted 3, they wouldn't have got anywhere near Starmer's desk.
@@neill392 No he never seems to be for the victims does he.
@@snowyowel7961 Fair enough, I wasn’t too sure. 👍
Paula Vennells is in front of the inquiry 3rd week of May. SHE is the main person in all this. THAT is a must watch. They are all lying through their teeth. They were fully aware from early on that Horizon was throwing up accounting errors, yet did nothing to investigate. If it hadn't been for Computer Weekly, James Arbuthnot, Private Eye and the 'Bates v The Post Office' drama this might have remained hidden from the public. Of course, THAT is what those at the PO wanted to happen - so they could keep getting their bonuses, sack sub PM's and 'recover' money from them to which they were not entitled. The whole thing is a beyond a scandal. I fully expect some of these execs to be jailed in the fullness of time.
I write this from Cape Town. I have grown up & lived in Africa throughout my entire life. I am therefore, more than familiar with lies, cover-ups & corruption, often covered by manipulation & the desire for control over others...
Having only followed this story from a distance, I then saw the fantastic ITV Docu Series, very recently....
My hope, is that, with everything going on in the world, this story will not be washed over & swept away. Please don't allow this to happen.
Full justice MUST be served, including full & immediate compensation, in the LARGEST possible way...
It will stand upon the following legal decisions, to allow the UK to separate itself from the other material, despotic dictatorships the rest of the world thrives upon...
She should be in prison….the suffering and suicides are on her hands…..awful woman.
No no just the pay and lifelong vast pension. Hey this is GREAT Britain. Great for some mainly evil for most.
Hear is an example why uk is stuck in a rut. A person who has made negative contribution paid a high salary and bonus and could not even say what her role was. How many others are at this game. I would say thousands in HR are at it
This is what happens when promoting people, becomes a box ticking exercise
Hey up Mike.
Common people don't get away with corruption and get locked away, let's see how the system deals with these ' higher ups'
I do not think she can be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice, because it was a Post Office Kangaroo court and not a criminal court. I may be wrong.....but unlikely, cant't recall being wrong before 🤣 On a serious note, the more I watch this Inquiry, the more my blood boils as to the level of corruption in the Post Office hierarchy
She lied to Parliament with Paula Vennels. I think that might be considered to be perjury, but I could be wrong!
Tick follows tock follows tick follows tock.
Youre time is coming Paula. Itll soon be your turn.
And Alice Perkins - she was far more concerned about govt funding than the plight of the SPMS
Typical senior leader, throwing everyone else under the bus to mitigate her own responsibility.
her words was 100% borris.it's very hard to take in how upset she was about some thing she does not remember .
She is not remotely bothered about the sub postmasters. Her agenda , like Vennels is protect herself. Her deception and deceit is so transparent
Seems she has been carefully coached by lawyers on how to reply, something it seems they have been doing for years. Puzzled why the same company is supposed to be running the compensation scheme, no wonder they continue to lie and delay everything.
how do SHE sleep She can't remember LIES LIES
I'm puzzled she said she took redundancy then said she left on her own accord
Did they structure her leaving as redundancy as a way of giving her massive leaving package! They all knew the wheels were coming off the waggon especially her.
PRISON !!!!
She is like trudeau here in canada. If their lips are moving they are most definetly lying
Yeah great comparison 🤡
The evidence brought up of the SPM who was so traumatised by his prosecution that he threw himself under a bus and died later in hospital was truly heart rending. A direct result of his prosecution - THAT was down to the PO. So the PO was responsible for that - no doubt about it. Down to the 'legals' as to whether that was Corporate Manslaughter - but if it is then jail time is beckoning for someone.
They never take responsibility for their actions. Always somebody else's problem or deflect by raising another non relevant issue.
Where did they think so many Postmasters were hiding all this money? Surely personal bank accounts were checked? No new cars, boats, houses, lavish lifestyles seem to have emerged on a grand scale!?
I think the nation needs to know that behaviour like this cannot go unpunished... the decisions she took had fatal consequences.
Changing their statements, its obvious they've been coached .
This person deserves to stand in front of a jury and have a fair for the seeming crimes they have committed .
If the police don't act we need to follow Alan Bates and crowdfund such a process. We cannot let these people get away without a trial.
My cheque book is ready if no action is taken.
Let's have some proper justice for teflon executives for a change and get faith back in justice.
Please join me if we need to
Crowd fund for postmaster justice.
When will legal action be taken ? Now everyone who knows her personality knows the real type of person she is 👍
Lying through her teeth.
She and her colleagues at the top put innocent people in prison. They now need to see what it feels like. Make them accountable in front of the courts, not an enquiry.
Payout for the postmasters now !
Echoes of Nuremburg? I saw nothing, I heard nothing, I did nothing - I was only following orders.
a beautiful human being.
her parents must be very proud... make her an MBE now...
because that's what crooks get in this country.
Outstanding work Nick ..... you have set the bar really high ....
Untruths ??????? Do you mean lies ?? If so say it !!!
Everyone is so greedy in high offices 😡
The lawyers coach them what to say ,and whatever to stick to it .The same with Granville towers or the NHS baby scandal ,the public see through it all yet they keep getting away with it .Tony Blair said that he acted in good faith upon the information that he believed to be correct at the time ,They will not change until someone is jailed ,then perhaps those in charge may act truthfully ,or lesson's will be learnt ,over and over again .
Basically it sounds like she’s a liar.
This woman is Vile.
I would not put it so kindly myself. extra -VILE
Don’t normally watch talktv but the coverage of this inquiry has actually been really good.
She IS Poison..
A woman who lacks accountability and responsibility for her actions I've never heard of such a thing.
Didn't take the responsibility but took the annual salary.
This woman had done exactly what all the others have done! She has lied, evaded questions and conveniently forgot about information that would exonerate the sub postmasters. At some point these slimy lowlife need to be held accountable and stand trial but this will take years to achieve at huge expense to the tax payer.
Lying all the way through.
She needs jailed.
She took all the money she was paid to manage events therefore she need to repay all that and any pension taken because of her total incompetence or illegal actions.
She needs to take responsibility for her lack of action's, which she was paid for.If this was in the army she would be up for a court marshal.
loved Talk T.V had it on most of the time I was home, now watching it on U Tube but hate all the breaks.
Is she going to return her bonus payments from that time ?
She is a disgrace. WHEN WILL WE SEE JUSTICE?
She and others involved should end up in prison. But, they won’t because the ‘class machine’ will prevent that happening!!!
Now relieved from her latest job…I wonder why! Totally at odds with the facts throughout and a very unbelievable person.
The Welsh FA should ditch this horrific woman.
This incompetent fool needs to be punished.
No accountability , no shame and a big fat liar and incompetent..
Why were these people so desperate to prosecute the innocent knowing full well the evidence was severely compromised. What hateful, vile creatures they are. No morality whatsoever
She's just like my manager who I used to work for.