An Alt-Right YouTuber 'Reused' My Content
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- It came to my attention that some of my content had been 'reused' by another channel. I'm fine with this sort of thing if the content's approached in good faith, and analysed or criticised in intelligent, well-evidenced ways - even if the channel in question holds different political or ideological positions from me. This... was not one of those times.
Oh, and if there's any right-wing trolls who pop up in the comments - don't engage them. It's not worth it.
Here's a link to that first video: • Investigating Star War...
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"He's racist" they say, while claiming that the characters portrayed as borderline animalistic savages are a one-to-one map to an existing culture...
Seriously, the level of herp-a-derp on display...
This guy's perspective on race and star wars not being connected is like me saying since they're all aliens, any ideas about fatherhood and family are all projections from fan boys because we can't assume our concepts of family apply to these aliens. That's so unbelievably stupid.
Glad to see someone gets it!
1. "A long time ago, in a galaxy, far, far away."
2. Pillar of Garbage was talking about the narrative, not the casting .
3. Moses wasn't talking about the casting casting : she was talking about her show being the "most diverse." She's obviously wrong. Pillar of Garbage loses it on a reddit post because he thinks she's just being hyperbolic, and can't fathom she got it wrong/or is simply ignorant.
@@smudboy cry
@@smudboy bro there is no way your still trying to make the point that star wars has no cultural significance when it comes to how races are depicted
@@smudboy My guy you think you're so smart yet you're still trying to make this stupid point star wars exists inside of a vacuum outside of the societal views of the people making it. Go cry on your red pill forums about why women won't look at you lmfao.
I- I just. I had to pause the video and just sit here for a minute or two to try and collect myself then replay this clip about 5 times to make sure I heard it and understood it right. I feel like there are drops of juice coming out of my ear, of what once was my brain. And all after one sentence.
"That's what I take from that, no normal person walks through town with a latte"
I don't even drink coffee and I just cannot fucking comprehend how that is abnormal? Have they never been out early from or before work and popped into a corner shop for a hot beverage to wake them up? Have they never been out shopping and gone in to get a to go cup of tea while they make their way to go idk buy some shoes or something. Have they never been studying and grabbed a coffee from town before making their way to class? Is this an american thing? that you should only be drinking coffee at home, in starbucks or in your car? I mean they sounded nordic so unlikely right? Someone please make it make sense.
apologies, I am a Coffee Freak who can not be understood
I think your second question gives the answer: "Have they never been out early from or before work and popped into a corner shop for a hot beverage to wake them up?" Yes they never have worked, probably shop on the internet and obviously never went to uni or a higher school. Because all of these thing take some modicum of effort. Nitpicking movies and insulting others is the best they can and will ever achieve in life. Yes i know i am maliciously assuming they are lazy and privileged, but it is just that the sentence ""That's what I take from that, no normal person walks through town with a latte" is just so detached from reality that it seems very revealing to me about their character
@@vivazapata123 Exactly. Most alt-righters probably only got their station because of a bigotry-based hierarchy of old, and they don't want to lose something they can't put the effort to get back.
There's a lot of things Alt-Right people have never heard of once it becomes convenient for them to do so, Matt Walsh has apparently never heard of women talking to each other in bathrooms.
@@PillarofGarbage Damned Woke Coffee Snob, sitting in your ivory tower in your metropolitan mega-city of..... a small English country village.
Sarcasm aside, I think the main problem is that the people on this stream don't understand that "just walking everywhere" is a way of life in England. They assume that if you can walk places from your home you must live in a city.
It’s funny… these folks call other people “snowflakes,” but I don’t see those people making *five hour videos* to bash someone else’s opinion piece.
Side note, this may have cured me of depression and anxiety. For whatever faults I have, I don’t need to whine for five hours to make a point. Back when I was on a podcast, I could get all my thoughts out in one minute.
Brevity is the soul of wit :D
The only good 5 hour long videos are the video essays that are actually scripted and well thought out
@@PillarofGarbage Bruh… I’m honored.
I'm more than happy to cover the video with PoG in real time. Or have a discussion about it. Apparently I have to teach people from the UK about English, but hey, I've seen worse.
@@PillarofGarbage I think the real reason people have a hard time with black female characters in sci-fi is because they don't really have them in mind when creating sci-fi. When Mad Men type companies in the 50's created billboards about the white picket fence middle class life, they never created wholesome black counterparts. Black people sometimes don't see themselves in the future either which is why Afrofuturism was created as they were constantly thinking about the past. Black males are able to sneak past because nerds acknowledge that they are physically better than them and would beat them in the physical exams to become marines and mavericks etc. However, Tyler Perry made a billion dollars and a studio, black women are now a factor in this empire since they don't want competing studios. It's a corporate move for economic integration.
Do you know what's weird about the Star Wars fandom, is how culty its become. The guys from Red Letter Media made a comment about this when reviewing Obi Wan and its kind of like dare you have the temerity to criticise a new Star Wars show or saying something that they may not like to hear (although being very based), the cult will attack.
Really? I've experienced that but when I've said good stuff about new Star Wars things. Guess it goes both ways.
It’s always been culty.
You guys do that too.
I think you confuse the fandom for cooperation. There's a damn good reason why the fans hated the sequels while the corporation gave it good reviews. Don't ever mix corp with fandom into one. Corp has an agenda. Fans just want a well written movie.
@@work90 you don’t speak for all the fans, sit down
Ah yes, the CZcams rite of passage. You’re not a true CZcamsr until some jack***es sit in a voice chat for 5 hours and misconstrue your content with bad faith criticisms. Truly, this is the golden age of online content.
I’ve made it 🤩
Give me one bad faith criticism we made.
@@smudboy I guess the inaccurate ad hominems spring to mind, but let me know if they don’t count and I’ll hitchu with another 😎
@@smudboy did you watch the video? To name one, you took a throwaway comment about a latte and turned it into an ad hominem attack about him being “a rich f*** living in the city and never having seen the real world.” To name another, you take his comment about the role of the “Sand People” in A New Hope being similar to the role Native Americans play in western films and criticize him because they’re clearly only based on Bedouins instead of actually addressing his argument and saying *why* you disagree about their role. To name a third, you made a judgement about what issue his video was addressing without having actually watched the video.
So not only can I name *one* bad-faith argument you made, I can name *three,* and it’s only limited to that because I’m trying to finish a book right now and it’s a lot more interesting than arguing with someone who clearly doesn’t respect proper debate.
@@PillarofGarbage While I would say an ad hominem is a logical fallacy, how is that a bad faith argument? Sometimes, people react to things without thinking, and instead of trying to make sense of it, they label others as "dumb" or similar.
Half of your video was projection, and trying to justify Moses' idea outside of "she's not ignorant!" From 1 reddit posts. Therefore, Star Wars is racist?
*People should attack the argument not the person*
People should have fun with their friends. And laugh at stupid youtube videos.
@@smudboy toxic people justifying their toxicity…
@@tylerleach8796 Nothing toxic about calling out a liar, and having fun doing so.
@@smudboy Toxic people tend to rarely ever KNOW they’re toxic. It usually requires other people to inform them. Too bad you all don’t listen to people who try…
@@tylerleach8796
I am a thing just because you wrote so? Are you the "master toxic knower"?
1. Define it.
2. Prove to me I am.
Sitting around with friends laughing at biased videos inventing a narrative is toxic how?
Explain to me what I'm not listening to? We went word for word with PoG, and found him a lying idealogue, inventing an issue that doesn't exist. I made 3 individual videos taking apart his words. We did 3 streams taking apart his videos.
If we're toxic, define and prove it.
If we're wrong, prove it.
"No normal person walks through town with a latte" does this guy live in a fucking shack in the woods? Anyone who has ever been to a coffee shop, bought a coffee, and ordered it to go has done that, and seeing that multiple multibillion dollar companies are about giving you that exact experience I'd say it's a pretty fucking normal activity.
He probably was raised in a rural community.
Don't let people like this get to you. They're rare (compared with everyone that aren't like them, obviously), but extremely vocal. The internet links all of humanity together, for good and for bad. I know this can seem impossible, but it's really the only way to live on the internet. The internet algorithms thrive on engagement. Rage and rightous anger is very much engament, and making a video like this only helps people like Smudboy. Of course you have every right to be angry. You have every right to fire back, but I doubt it will make anything better to do so. Then again, maybe it will. I don't know you or how you feel emotions. I've done similar things in the past, and it can be cathartic to a point, and maybe I'm just really bad at making coherent youtube comments.
It's no surprise that people that think a latte is demonstrative of wealth are ignorant in numerous other ways. FFS it's essentially hot milk and coffee people, how much do they think that is? 😂
Are these the people who write articles about how the younger generations could afford houses if they just stopped going to Starbucks?
The latte bit reminds me of the time ** a fox host was "dunking" on Barack Obama for putting Dijon mustard on a hot dog. He couldn't, or didn't bother to make any actual substantive criticism on that particular day, so he went with some whinging about a condiment. Which he knew would still work because it's never been about the criticism anyway. Really speaks to the level of discourse that fellas like them operate on.
Edit: I can't remember if it was tucker Carlson or Sean hannity, or someone else, but they might as well be interchangeable in this context, so I changed it to "a fox host" lol
"He's a rich smuck who lives in the city and has never seen the real world"
Not only do they think Star Wars is real, but they also think that cities aren't real.
A nice revenge is 8 months later and your channel is now triple the size of his channel! Congrats!
now 4x
10:49 "The silver lining here is that at least this whole saga goes to show my channel's grown enough, and the content's hitting sufficiently close to home, to have elevated my brand to that critical mass where it drives 7 weirdos to sit in a voice call for 5 hours "well actually-ing" my content." Well done you for seeing what this is. Also, 14 months later, your subscription count has tripled and he's lost subs. 😬
The same people who argue that real-world or parallels to racism cant exist in fiction or fantasy will be the same people angry that a black actor is a character in one.
I remember one of his friends called someone the f slur over a fucking Transformers video
😞
You should see the racist shit they said on Turf Nation's video, or Literature saying rape was "no big deal".
@@Ubermensch9240 …they did not say that. PLEASE tell me they did not actually that. How do these assholes have subscribers?
@@Ubermensch9240 Those are huge red flags
Had Smuds group of weirdo’s actually bothered listening to your arguments, they might’ve understood your perspective in regards to the issue of Racism in the Star Wars franchise.
It’s never a surprise when a Star Wars actor like Ewan gets hate for defending someone like Moses only doing her job. That’s just how the misguided portion of the fanbase operates, and rather than judge the writing through a constructive and mature lens, they target and harass individuals that “Don’t belong” in Star Wars. It’s disappointing honestly, but something expected.
Especially considering how Disney acknowledge and warn Moses Ingram what will happen because that’s how predictable most Star Wars fans have become over the years.
We went word for word. PoG is clearly biased toward his agenda. He invented a narrative about how a post showing that Moses' statement is wrong, was actually causing racist hate and bigotry. He is obviously wrong, regardless of reactions to it. But please, point to the original video where he makes a salient point not biased and not based on ideology. What was his main argument we missed?
The reason Star Wars actors get hate or negative comments is when their characters suck; it has little to do with their acting. Though people connect bad lines of dialogue with acting (e.g. Hayden Christensen.)
Being all up in the comments like you are is mad desperate bro 😂
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 Mad desperate for what, exactly?
@@smudboy I like how you “explain why actors are attacked” as if that in any way makes it better.
i genuinely don't understand why 1. the people in the video are attacking you and 2. the people in the comments are trying to insult you too, it's so pathetic becuase they know they're the racist people you were calling out in that video
@@steaksauce232 thx😘
you see, everybody sees themselves as the good guy, they wouldn't even DARE seeing themselves as racist, cuz that would imply they're in the wrong about something
@@games_on_phone89 yea basically
@@steaksauce232 u got ratiod 💀
Thats ust a thing that ome people are incredibly imature and feel the need to attack random people to fel better, becaue they feel miserable or ar kinda sheep in hatemobs, which hopeully its tenager that grow out of that, but its not nesseary teenager, but grown adult.
Your views are way too thoughtful and nuanced for some alt right wank offs to dismantle. Keep up the good work and call out injustices as you do.
…have they never seen a busy city downtown during rush hour? Everyone has coffee in hand lol
Sorry about this dude. I've grown so sick and tired of these Conservative assholes passing off reactionary politics as legit media "criticism". These dudes are just the worst of humanity. Keep on trucking dude your videos are great and insightful.
Appreciate the support!
These people are pizza burn on the roof of the world's mouth, and I blame their dissatisfaction on never having tried a latte and taken a stroll
Enjoy shilling for a company that grooms children and promotes discrimination like Disney.
@@LegacyComics100 A stroll and a latte, just couldn't recommend more. Fresh air, caffeine, taking that stick out of your ass; guaranteed a good time!
@@macrobertson25 Drink tea and touch grass how about that?
@@macrobertson25 also, you flat out denied that Disney hasn’t promoted discrimination and grooming.
You are oblivious and clearly don’t deserve that latte.
Loved the Community reference
I have a feeling they’re going to mention the video time back at you for this. I hope you’re doing well and the people don’t start an asshole war. *hugs*
Very possible! But unless they get into actual defamation, I’m going to leave it here.
He would have started it. You do realize that, right?
He as in who?
I’m so sorry you had to go through this. However, it is great consolation to see you still standing and responding well. This comments section as well has been very reassuring, given that it appears overwhelmingly positive. I really hope you all have a fantastic day and remember that there are good people in this world.
I'm not sorry for him. It shows that people are watching his show.
@@vernonhampton5863 malding
As someone who disagrees and knows many who disagree with this guy, I am suspicious at the apparent lack of any sort of criticism. Every single comment is just emotional support, barely any real substance, not even a word of disagreement unless it’s an obvious insult (and I’ve only found 2 in the last 20 comment threads).
I think he’s deleting or hiding criticizing comments.
Also, just because a response to something is long doesn’t mean it’s bad. Since when are long conversations bad? Or in poor quality? If anything, it just means there’s more to talk about.
I can analyze a very well-done and moving scene in a film longer than the scene actually is. Is that bad?
@@openthinker6562Delusional levels of cope.
Smudboy himself has replies that are still arguing with people over months.
If you can't find any criticism, it's a skill issue on your part.
@@mechanomics2649 You do realize that comments can be deleted or hidden by the creator of a video, right?
it may be fair use but the things they say about you may be interpreted as harassment or bullying as this is most likely a full 5 hours stream of it and that may count as prolonged or malicious insults
Yeah, I’d at least look into being able to take action, even if it doesn’t seem likely to pan out.
Well I can't speak for everyone, but for me, it's all in good fun and commentary.
@@smudboy 🤣🤣🤣🤣 triggered.
@@grapeshot Still waiting on you to tell me how I'm a racist or anti-SJW, if that's even a thing.
@@smudboy It's a thing. YOU😄
I really appreciate your thoughtful breakdowns and commentary on a lot of this toxic “content” on the internet. I see it all the time myself but I definitely couldn’t address it as well as you do.
Not quite sure what to say but great video! I’m glad you actually offered valuable criticism of your video, which both showed that you didn’t think you were above criticism and proved examples of arguments the other channel could’ve made instead of ranting about aliens and whatever. Your channel is quickly growing to be one of my new favorites, as your arguments are actually pretty good, and I find the topics you discuss to be interesting. Keep up the good work!
🥰
"I'm so impressed you can criticize your own video, yet completely ignore all of the criticism others gave you! What a great youtuber!"
@@smudboy You didn't levy any valid criticism.
@@sebastienvondoom8615 We levied quite a bit, sir. But that requires you to pay attention. Anyone with no biases toward his words, can easily see his bias towards Moses' ignorant words.
@@smudboy Lmao. What ignorant words? That there isn't enough diversity in Star Wars(a completely true statement)?
They can give themselves as many piles as they like from seething as they force themselves to do so but they will NEVER be able to recreate/recapture that magical feeling of being 10 years old and watching the original trilogy for the first time
They are stuck with an adulthood less magical than the childhoods they came from. And their misery will increase as they continue down this path
It's OK, guys. Stuff that blew my mind as a child is dead, too. I'm coping with it. You should too.
I'm really glad to see regardless of how much other youtubers try to delegitimize you to legitimize themselves, that you still have confidence in your own material. I always find it deplorable for youtubers, especially big ones which I've seen before drag down someone else's content to justify their own. Often when that occurs it becomes a personal attack and not attacking the content even. The whole Latte BS, when they allude your "the elite" proves precisely that. Those kinds of podcasts inevitably degrade into personal and baseless jabs and flexes. Unlike those who arouse hate and indulge in the most degenerate human instincts, you give real analysis that makes for both genuinely thought-provoking and entertaining discussion.
Thank you for doing what you do. I am great enjoying your channel and it makes me feel better to know that there are actual rational voices pointing out how toxic the loud part of the Star Wars fandom is. I just hope they don’t destroy Star Wars for everybody else cause at some point Disney is just going to say it’s not worth the money to make more because of the damage and danger that the actors are put through and they drive off the people that enjoy Star Wars for everything that it is. I know my roommate no longer watches any Star Wars content because she does not want to engage with the toxic assholes. She complained that in the past when she made the mistake of saying that she had seen and enjoyed one of the movies from the most recent trilogy. She then got to listen to some shit for brains harangue her about how wrong she was and that she could not have liked the movie.
I seriously wonder why these right wing racist
misogynistic shit bags even watch Star Wars at all. The movies have always been in direct opposition to their world views.
Completely random update to this but he's made 2 videos responding to this, both of which combined are less than half the views this has, and his subscriber count has actually decreased since this video was made, paling in comparison to yours... funny that.
I get the impression those followups were an attempt to bait me into carrying on the 'drama', to respond to his responses to my response - thinking it'd be a easy trick to pump his views. That's why I haven't even watched them, let alone responded!
@@PillarofGarbage They're there to prove you wrong.
I care nothing for views or sub count.
Of course you haven't watched them. You're ignorant and biased.
@@smudboyif you it wasn’t for “view and sub counts” did why did you make TWO videos about it when PoG only made one about you?
@@tylerleach8796 One was to his original video we covered on stream as well, and the other was on his response, which I broke down into 2 videos.
RE: Investigating Star Wars' Racism Problem
and
RE: An Alt-Right CZcamsr 'Reused' My Content (part 1), RE: An Alt-Right CZcamsr 'Reused' My Content (part 2)
@@smudboy Doesn't really change the fact that you still went out of your way to make a response to this very video.
You are an amazing CZcamsr and a great champion of critical thinking and fairness. Thank you for sharing this video and bringing to our attention the toxic mindsets that people have.
Exactly what toxic mindset exists, for talking to friends while watching a video?
@@smudboy Name me one posititve thing that you said about Pillar of Garbage
@@manyseas1219 his Avengers EMH videos, ether than that he is a MCU shill.
@@smudboy you riped his content because you were so big mad about his opinion. Cope.
@@Quinton151 The panel watched his video because the discord voted on it.
Cope? How about "reality."
I for one found it super relatable to hear your latte anecdote
I’ve done it myself a few times, though I now have a coffee machine in the house. Which probably makes me more of the rich liberal that these assholes are accusing PoG of being.
And now, like a two-year-old who's just learned his 1st big word, he's saying that people are "projecting"... In literally every comment thread. Someone get this guy a thesaurus- or better yet, a dictionary.
No! You’re just projecting!
@@PillarofGarbageyour projecting, come on, “Alt-right” made it obvious.
Exactly
Why? It matches perfectly. It's exactly what PoG did, probably what he does in most of his videos, and what lots of you people are doing.
Alt-right? Are you joking?
@@smudboy
#lattegate
Smudcast: The home of weird off-topic statements that ultimately contribute nothing, hosted by Whis- I mean Smudboy...
Oh no creators cant be allowed coffee :O
I am pretty sure western borrow generally a lot from lurasawa movies that, but it make sense it got from both genres.
Honestly I'm astounded at the fact smudboy thinks he can walk into the audience of the man that he ragged on and expect to win arguments. I don't if this is bravery or stupidity lmao.
Bravery and this is a ridiculous take considering Adversity > Diversity.
You and PoG's fans don't have any arguments. You just have sycophantic name calling, as per usual.
But please, tell me my ideology. I seemed to have forgotten it.
@@smudboy when did I ever bring up ideology? I can't seem to find it anywhere, but I did find this L you dropped
@@steaksauce232 in case you haven't heard, walking into a place where you're not the most well liked isn't a good idea
@@jallade5316 because I don’t know this isn’t like the hundredth time Disney and the MCU has tried to pull this predictable tomfoolery.
"No one cares about your starbucks coffee" really shows how they wanted to be mad at anything for the sake of being mad.
It was made in passing. Not that it was the greatest thing in the world. You don't get mad when someone says "I was scrolling online" with "no one cares get to the point." If you do, you should really look into why.
Mr. Smudboy might be wiling to ask questions, but he sure doesn't seem to be willing to listen to answers.
I'm listening to everyone, actually.
@@smudboy
You are so desperate and insecure for attention lol
It's been so many months still you are replying for attention
@@bruhattherate No. I simply reply to people like you after months, because it's a recent response.
As for being insecure? I doubt it. I do like correcting people, though. Whether PoG is using his imagination or not, he is still lying, which my various videos have shown.
@@smudboy”PoG is lying.”
Well, takes one to know one I suppose…
@@questionmark808 Nice argument, senator, why don't you back it up with a source?
He will probably make another 5 hour podcast on this video
Yup. Just did.
You try to bring representation and promote goodness, but yet some disgusting bastard always tries to take someone's good intentions and twist them into something awful.
I'm a disgusting bastard for watching a video and talking about it? Fascinating.
@@smudboy If you are offended by what I said without you being the one that this video or my post is targeting then maybe something you know is wrong with you.
@@smudboy debating with malintent or setting up strawmen is pretty disgusting, of course, if you dont think thats disgusting maybe that says something about the type of content you produce
@@mandalorianhunter1 I’m on your side, but that IS the guy who the is the subject of the video. He’s very active in this comment section
@@TSDTalks22 Oh I SAW after I posted my comments. He really is triggered.
any youtube with a huge group of weirdos that spend hours talking about a video have a problem.
i know it's irrelevant, but is your name come from the Community?
It does indeed! And I’m always trying to make more community videos, but I never quite get time
@@PillarofGarbage Hope you get time. I would love to see more Community content
So apparently living in a city = not living in a real world. Are all cities AI generated or smth?
"Willing to ask questions" his channel header says. Do you think he'll also be willing to answer any questions?
Hi. What's your question?
@@smudboy I do wonder what the objective view of Reva's character would be with the new developments from the last episode. Your thoughts? Also, if you're willing to ask questions, you wanna try asking content creators for their permission to use their content before providing the platform on which it is then bashed? Thanks for getting back to me
@@rednas3271
1. Never watched the show. I hear she's not very popular, and not because of racism (i.e. bad writing.)
2. Fair use doesn't require it. Sure it's nice to ask, but not that important. "Hi, can I use your video for a commentary response?" People don't like being criticized, so I'd get very few positive responses.
@@smudboy 1. Why discuss a video on your platform on something you haven't even seen?
2. Your video wasn't a critique. All I heard were personal insults and slurs. No commentary or transformative uses of the content means it doesn't fall under fair use then
@@rednas3271 1. We're discussing PoG's video. Other people on the panel have watched the show, but that wasn't necessary to critique his comments.
2. It was mostly commentary, but yes, it was criticism. Some of it is bad (name calling), but not all of it.
Commentary can be critique, and it is. Still fair use. If you think 5 hours total from 2 videos, criticizing a 17 minute video isn't transformative...well then. We're done.
Ole’ Smuddy boy here seems like one of those people who thinks that Star Wars started being political when John Boyega was cast and not in 1979 when the first movie released was an analogy for the fuckin Vietnam war.
Politics is when minorities, or, *shudder*, wamen
@@PillarofGarbage smuddy is probably scared of women being empowered let's be honest
@@jallade5316 Let's be honest: You're projecting. Just like PoG.
@@smudboy oh buddy, trust me, I'm *REALLY* into strong women
@@jallade5316 yeah, you are into smug, condescending, disrespect, immature women, who don’t have any consequences for their actions and don’t face any adversity, therefore the movie or show is gonna be BAD.
Take Captain Marvel in her own film, was there a villain who could properly challenge her? Like actually proven to be a match for her or hurting her much? No, then there’s no adversity, so the audience doesn’t care.
Plus there have been plenty of strong characters who turn out to be female, and they’re much better written than Disney or Hollywood “strong woman.”
•XJ-9
•Hawkgirl
•Ripley
•Raven
•Starfire
•Huntress
•Storm
•Rouge
The list goes on.
The difference between your videos and the content being produced by those people in that 5-hour one is... when I watch your videos, I really get the sense that you care, deeply, about others. I get the sense you love art, and stories, and love talking about it, and are open to addressing when people are hurt by things you say or do (I think about how when you've discussed Judaism in works, you make it clear that you welcome feedback, and you apologize in case you overstep).
When I listen to how the people talk in that 5-hour vid... it just comes off as mean. It comes off as defensive. They're saying hurtful stuff, and when people tell them it's hurtful, it sounds like they're unwilling to just own up to it. And unwilling to consider perspectives other than their own.
I'm sorry they did this to you.
Really glad that positive vibe comes through in my work!
And I’m gonna have a great week, don’t worry! I’m going on holiday this next weekend!
@@PillarofGarbage good! You deserve it!
Btw, OC brought up your addressing Judaism, and I just wanted to let you know I really appreciated that your video (I’m Jewish), and to thank you for making it.
Now, have fun on your vacation!
"I can tell from your aura, you're a caring person!"
"Long man bad, they call you bad names, thus, bad person!"
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
Yeah, we clearly can't comprehend what PoG is saying...yup. WAY TOO ADVANCED.
@@smudboy I am going to say this once, in as clear and unambiguous terms as I can: do not contact me. Do not speak to me again. I do not want to speak to you. I am uninterested in anything you have to say to me. If you reply to this, I will ignore it. I do not wish for us to have any further interactions. Do not initiate any.
@@queerlybeloved257 "I like talking about this guy on your video about this guy because you care and he doesn't!"
"OMG he's calling me out!"
"DON'T TALK TO ME!"
But how does it make you feel? That's your take? Wow. Way to use your brain there, Queerly.
Bro you saying Smud's channel is bigger than mine ... lol you're almost TRIPLE his subs yikes
Gives me hope you can put out decent vids and not be a total sellout or fool. Sub earned
Yeah he boomed after this video came out
You have awesome videos I don't understand why these guys do this
"Wish-Efap"
I'm not sure even people that like EFAP would like that comparison being made to them lol.
I have gotten through a efap or two over the last few years. I couldn't get though Smugcast to save my life. Sure, you can certainly map a lot of the same issues onto the former. But there's something much more direct, more toxic about Smugcast.
I mean I paused this video at one point and saw just a slew of hatred against Native Americans that confounded me. From using "Indian" to someone actually saying they deserved it all because they had slaves before white people... which is whoa.... wow.
This and the use of slurs in general in the thing itself. Just... by god.
I'm reminded of that time Shadivisity did a podcast about the Kevin Smith He-Man show... and then one of his friends went on a long rant about how they hate woman. Just like randomly. Sure, Shad doesn't engage in that during that video, but the lack of push back by him and in the Smugcast by Smudboy becomes a sorta approval itself.
What pushback do you want?
I allow people to come on and say what they like. I'm open to other people's opinion, no matter how bizarre or unprofessional it might sound. Including PoG's.
@@smudboy I'm sure that you do allow people to speak for themselves. The issue it creates is worse in interview settings than it is in a podcast one but the same effect basically becomes observed as such interviews. Where it's a opinion being echo'd and no deeper discussion really get's developed in that space.
Looking at this smudcast in question, a good example of your responses is to the r-word part. Where your response is "that's one way of putting it." where then it's continued to be used for a while... and somehow Amber Heard comes up. I'm not sure that point get's brought in.
That's a rather subdued response. It's not even so much as a pushback thing overall, it's a lack of confrontation about views. Not fighting about them, but a confrontational examination. Do you consider the use of the retard word netrual? Is is something you want to be accoiated with.
Never mind the optics of saying that no one gets abused that badly online as your panel has multiple people on it calling POG a "retard." Or maybe the "negro" vagina part, where one of the panelist, the same one repeating the retard slur, starts talking about how "she's the first negro vagina."
Let's be honest here. That Is disgusting way to phrase a thing and not even true. There's been no claim of her being the first black anything in Star Wars. Just the show having the most diverse cast. That could be untrue, but it's not examined in the Smudcast. Instead there's like a black Supremacy take? Its dishonest.
Now, do you engage with that element in the cast. No, I don't recall that you do. But you just let be said without any sort... of confrontation about even why he believes this to be so.
There's just a lack of any willing to engage with the video in question faithfully in the Smugcast. This is why some pushback is needed in those cases. It doesn't need to be from you, just that the lack of it from you in light of it not coming from anywhere else. The Smudcast is really just... one opinion of varying strength throughout the video.
Just sometimes with slurs.
You've got a very onesided cast, with very politically charged laungague coming from a number of them. If you want to just let people speak for themselves, you need grab people that will confront each other's opinion and movitations behind those opinions. Otherwise, it'll need to come from you or people will just take that you agree with them.
Being open to other people's opinions shouldn't mean that they're allowed to be aired uncritially. That's a important part of being open, also being critical of ideas as well.
@@deterlanglytone >Looking at this smudcast in question, a good example of your responses is to the r-word part. Where your response is "that's one way of putting it." where then it's continued to be used for a while... and somehow Amber Heard comes up. I'm not sure that point get's brought in.
Retard, idiot, stupid, etc. All mean the same thing; there's something missing upstairs.
Such words don't come out of nowhere. PoG is either willfully blind, or feigning ignorance, to think that Moses is lying (where?) being hyperbolic (where?) has seen the Star Wars movies (proof?) and has knowledge of several black actors (which?) All part of his made up narrative.
>Do you consider the use of the retard word netrual? Is is something you want to be accoiated with.
I consider swear words irrelevant, and a way for people to express themselves. I don't care what it is: is it accurate to why they think that way? If it is, I don't need to ask why they think that. People don't just say x word and move on. They explain themselves, or it is so painfully obvious you don't need to.
>Never mind the optics of saying that no one gets abused that badly online as your panel has multiple people on it calling POG a "retard."
How is a bunch of people calling someone a retard a form of online abuse?
>Or maybe the "negro" vagina part, where one of the panelist, the same one repeating the retard slur, starts talking about how "she's the first negro vagina."
That's what she was claiming.
>Let's be honest here. That Is disgusting way to phrase a thing and not even true.
How?
And how is it not true? Who cares how crude it is: is it incorrect?
>There's been no claim of her being the first black anything in Star Wars.
Read the article: "If you’ve got talking droids and aliens, but no people of colour"
"No people of colour."
Thus, she is the first person of colour.
>Just the show having the most diverse cast. That could be untrue, but it's not examined in the Smudcast. Instead there's like a black Supremacy take? Its dishonest.
Yes, she is being either dishonest, ignorant, or forgetful, which is what the collage proves.
>Now, do you engage with that element in the cast. No, I don't recall that you do. But you just let be said without any sort... of confrontation about even why he believes this to be so.
Because PoG's hypothesis is incorrect: she is speaking literally. She actually believes this. I've proven this in a previous video.
>There's just a lack of any willing to engage with the video in question faithfully in the Smugcast.
And now you're calling us names because...? Great moral high ground you just fell from.
PoG made a stupid video, and we called him out on being stupid. It's really that simple.
>If you want to just let people speak for themselves, you need grab people that will confront each other's opinion and movitations behind those opinions. Otherwise, it'll need to come from you or people will just take that you agree with them.
No, that would be arguing (why, exactly?) And that does sometimes happen when someone says something incorrect. A slur or swearword is no big deal, and is merely a person expressing their confusion and frustration with the intelligence of what's happening on screen.
>Being open to other people's opinions shouldn't mean that they're allowed to be aired uncritially. That's a important part of being open, also being critical of ideas as well.
You just explained what we did with PoG, and everyone else we cover.
Honestly, I don’t see the difference between EFAP and Smudboy’s little podcast. Both are groups of pretentious twats who like to feel important by claiming their opinions are “objective.”
@@tylerleach8796 Yep
"Willing to ask questions"
I appreciate that you made this video, and even more so that you decided to use it as an opportunity to end this exchange.
In honor of the last video you uploaded, which I found very touching, I would like to share a proverb from my Jewish faith:
אל־תען כסיל כאולתו פן־תשוה־לו גם־אתה - "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, lest even you become like him."
Or to paraphrase: "Don't argue with fools; people from a distance can't tell who is who."
I think you acted very wisely in the face of bigotry, and although I'm not very religious anymore, I will pray for you that you don't get doxxed :)
@smudboy if you're reading this, I hope you spend 10 hours analyzing this 12 minute video so you can waste more of your life and leave the rest of us in peace.
Really appreciate this comment, thanks for sharing :)
Boo.
Disney are the racists.
@@smudboy you're STILL here being baited? That's hilarious 😂
@@JArtsChannel says the shill who likes discriminating like Disney.
Pillar addressed this well, appreciated hearing how they pretended no racism could occur in Star Wars and that all proof of racism is in fact exaggerated - after all, they've seen 'the truth' and can't cope facing actual facts
And "the truth" is what, exactly?
The truth that PoG is wrong, again this a guy who likes Loki+. I’m sorry but you can’t convince me a character who has a history fighting against the god of Thunder(and winning some) loses to a bunch of guards with sticks that get taken out by shanks and fire.
@@LegacyComics100 Ah, so because he likes something you don’t, it invalidates all his opinions. That’s not stupid at all…
@@tylerleach8796 Tell that to the millions of people who asked?
It’s pretty much common sense MCU Loki is mess, then She-Hulk…oh god, they have done to butcher best girl. They somehow made her a worse person than Captain Marvel during Civil War 2.
@@LegacyComics100 1: It’s common sense to say that trying to invalidate someone cause they like something you don’t is stupid.
2: I didn’t even mention She-Hulk
3: Civil War 2 (and Civil War 1) ruined a LOT of characters.
6:25 got me rollin lol
4:15 What? You bought a latte and walked home? So you don't live in the real world? Yesterday I decided to go to the bar and get a burger and a beer after work. Guess I dont live in the real world either. If you consume food, then you're not real.
You’ve opened the floodgates (well, they did). Prepare to be collaborating with Hbomberguy lol
I’d love to collaborate with Hbomberguy!
@@PillarofGarbage i hope you both colaborate someday
5:58, bookmark
They didn't even watch your video first. They just recorded and started yapping like morons for 5 hours. I LITERALLY had to rapidly press the right arrow button on my keyboard just to see if they had any valid points, to which they had none.
It's been a Day and there are 400+ comments
Their intentionally obtuse framing is what these guys always seem to start a video with to bias the audience into thinking the crticism or accusation of a tone or element in a movie is inherently absurd before they ever actually make an argument beyond dismissal and thats all their audience needs. They always do this "pff a movie in space with aliens? how can it be racist" and well a lot of thes "objective, facts an logic" guys just cant seem to get what metaphors are. Especially if themes in a movie about aliens would still have the biaes of our society in the writers who live in it. They aren't stories about aliens from aliens.
POG argued a point and failed to prove it.
As a poor college student who treats himself to a latte and a walk through town for my mental health every once in a while, I hope you're next one is lovely, keep up the great work.
Also the fact that they're trolling your post and had time to talk about your video for five hours says a lot about them
honestly the latte + stroll is an entirely under appreciated pastime and I’m sick of pretending otherwise
@@thomaskhan2933 Yes, democracy, and we can smell bullshit and have fun with it.
@@PillarofGarbage Its so relaxing, clears the mind, some time to think and relax, and it's some nice time away from everything for me.
>no normal person walks through town with a latte
Lmao wut
Also on the topic of the tusken raiders: regardless of any particular inspiration (although it’s nigh indisputable that Native American depictions in westerns were one) later eu material explicitly made them stand ins for indigenous people (basically they were native to tatooine but the rekatan empire had some beef with them and turned the planet into the desert we know now forcing them to adapt, the planet was then settled leading to the dynamics we saw in ANH) go read wookiepedia or whatever if you think I’m lying. Even if you wanna say that we knew none of this in ANH it still got the seal of approval from everyone in charge of curating the eu at the time, given that the people who published the stories leading to this continuity weren’t told “no”. Even if George himself didn’t intend for them to have any real link to native Americans or indigenous people, or for it to be read that way, he still used tropes that were used in depictions of them in other media that inspired star wars and I think it’s fine to talk about it. Idk this was kinda impromptu given the subject matter
I’m sorry you had to deal with this? I do feel like some of these right wing are grifters just doing it to make buck. But I only discovered your channel the other day and really am enjoying watching your videos and views and pretty much agreeing with everything you say I will now be subbing
Don't let these idiots get you down. Anyone who sits around being negative with their friends for 5 hours clearly has nothing constructive to do with their time, and clearly has self esteem challenges.
I'm sorry you were the target of this crap, your videos are really thoughtful and well put together and are (IMHO) a shining light in the hellscape of negativity that critical film and media analysis has to offer.
Have an awesome day, and keep on doing what you do. It means something.
If someone Doxs him??? I would confused on why you go all the way out into basically Nowhere from Courage the Cowardly Dog???
I remember commenting back being unaware politically. Yeah, he was alt right. It really isnt that hard to see
I don’t like where this is going.
Can I dislike both 'sides'?
i love it when 'response' videos respond to a video by stopping it every 10 seconds in between sentences to breakdown 3 words with no context of the rest of the sentence and then extrapolate completely irrelevant points that were never made and just strawman the entire video.
Edit: was referring to the 5 hour podcast not this video
We did two videos, not one 5 hour podcast. I wanted to stop at the first one, because PoG was clearly inventing a narrative, but hey, I listen to my panel.
Please point out where we took PoG out of context.
@@smudboy I dunno, when the other people in those 2 videos made an entire assumption about PoG’s character after the latte part of the video without any of the context of that video or any other of PoG’s videos or literally anything else about that person.
And arguing about the semantics of 2 2.5 hour podcasts in no way counters or disproves anything said in my original comment.
Cope
Also when I replied, your comment was only 30 mins old but still had 1 like, did you like your own comment?
@@gore6065 says Pillar of Garbage who only watched 30 mins to quote 30 seconds? Yeah, the latte part is irrelevant compared to the actual shilling straw man.
@@gore6065 I did.
seeping on Mauler have you ever thought about doing a video covering him?
czcams.com/video/31g0YE61PLQ/video.html
Common pillar of garbage W
More like an L for Pillar.
Trolls are gonna troll. Continue to be the bigger (character & intelligence) person. The fight continues.... and I'll continue to watch.
“Bigger intelligence”
Nigga, he fucking doxxed himself
I honestly did not think you would actually respond to his horrid takes on your video but I am glad you did. Smud and his buds needs to be taken down a peg. I can't wait for your channel to eclipse his as it grows
Sadly, we both know you're not the one to do it.
Sadly, neither is an enraged ideologue and his mindless fans.
@@smudboy man smud you must have no life if you have the free time to lurk In pillars comment section.
@@exilestudios9546 Because he’s wrong, period.
This is like the hundredth time these kind people bring up labels and throwing around without doing any of the research or has the slightest sense of perspective.
I want to know where you live just because that house across from you is so beautiful
Hey friend, it's quite apparent that these guys aren't worth the time of day. Stick to doing your thing and let the low effort reactionaries wallow in their own laziness and bigotry.
Oh this video has more views then the video his responding to now.
How does not liking how a character is written racist?
In itself, it doesn’t, but it’s absolutely become a minor dogwhistle in the case of Reva. As I say, this is something I’ll explore in-depth another time.
@@PillarofGarbage thank you
It isn’t but sending someone the n word is
@@crazyman7615 the problem is writing NOT just representation
And if I'm black but still find her character useless is this autoracism or self-hate or something ?
Both sides aren't listening to the other. Not surprising, it's always been this way, but I'm starting to thing that this tribal need to always take your side over every other... exhausting... each group has a bit of truth, just distillate the truth of each group and put it all into one... basic alchemy stuff : deconstruct, purify the different parts, then restructure it all to perfection. Some woke ideas are worth listening to and same goes for some alt-right ideas... as long as everybody dismisses a good point just because it is said by someone they don't respect we'll never get along or even get somewhere....
No alt-right ideas are worth listening to, because the worldview they’re predicated on is a fundamentally flawed and hateful one.
That aside… as I explain in my recent video, if you personally didn’t like the character, that’s fine. You do you! ‘You’re racist because you don’t like Reva’ isn’t a claim I’ve ever made, and I’m not sure it’s a claim *anyone* has.
But, if you joined in with the online chorus of targeted, premature, and vague criticism toward Moses after seeing only a couple of Kenobi episodes, then you were - knowingly or not - furthering the talking points of racists.
Ngl, this Smudboy guy is an example of why I decided to ignore the whole "Grifter vs Woke Mob" war because it's dumb and it ain't my style as a 2000's kid with the 90's blood in me lol.
Keep up the good work
Oh That video was done in a hurry that explains a lot
if there alt-right you already know there a bad egg. plus this guy made 2 response vids which are terrible
How are they terrible? Smud did a pretty good job debunking POG's points.
Your address: Planet Earth in a not far far away galaxy!
I wish I could go all scarlet witch on smud boy and his alt right neo nazi companions
I am kinda tempted to send a screenshot of PoG giving a heart to this comment to smudboy to see what he might make of it (my bet is on saying how HE instead is the real Nazi)
Obviously I'm not doing this, don't feed the Troll.
Ah, now I remember why I stopped watching smudboy back in the day... I originally enjoyed his Mass Effect reviews, but then he started going off the rails in support of increasingly right-wing narratives.
most people dont understand the bible or any religous books... if a character is badly written its not the actors fault and for me personally its weird to send slurs/death messages to actors etc. criticising is something else...
The overwhelming lack of self awareness these dudes display; it's genuinely baffling.
What would you like me to know about myself, @Ace of Sharks?
@@smudboy Oh you know, simple things like downplaying bigotry, using utterly innocuous statements as the foundation for ridiculous conclusions, etc. You know, the kind of things a person who claims to value rationality and objectivism wouldn't do.
@@aceofsharks9837 So I should downplay bigotry, and not make statements that have ridiculous conclusions?
Okay, examples please?
@@smudboy I'm saying you *did* downplay bigotry and made statements with ridiculous conclusions. Or, more specifically, by not refuting your friends/podcast mates, you allow said things to propagate.
If your central goal/philosophy was truly based in rationality and objectivism, you wouldn't agree with or stay silent on falsehoods and irrational conclusion jumps on your own panel.
@@aceofsharks9837 Disney promoting discrimination and grooming children, yeah looking real good consumer.
I noticed this trend whit youtubers like this and TFM. There trying to create this us vs them narrative. While at the same time portaing themselfs as the underdog the little man figthing the corporation/the out of touch rich class.
i want to make a alt right youtube cry to his mommy but i cant find one lol.
Oh God, I did not expect to see smudboy in the wild! I still remember having great displeasure arguing with him on( defunct) BioWare Social Network forums.
I subscribed to your channel because of that video. It’s was nice to see someone say - I see what you guys are doing and it’s not right.
What is not right? Criticism?
Well, I must be "wrong" for a very long time...
smudboy getting triggered in the comments
#lattegate
#lattegate
This guy's salty tears has flooded the entire comment section 😭
Don't you have another 5 hour vid to make??
*cries*
That's sarcasm, PoG. NOT hyperbole!
Pillar of salt.
I have not seen your video because I have not started the Kenobi series yet. That said, I find this situation hilarious, especially the fact, and this is coming from someone who does not really drink coffee, that they find you strolling through town drinking a latte to be elitist.
I sleep well knowing none of these guys are having sex.
Well now I am morbidly curious to see that video
Resist the temptation…!
Don’t give the trolls more views.
I wouldn't give them the time of day. It's just some cringy alt right losers.
Go ahead, Don’t Listen to Pillar of Projection.
@@LegacyComics100 you keep saying that word but you clearly don't know what it means.
I enjoy your channel and have since your first Avengers EMH video.
I have to say that I have enjoyed all of your work even those few things I disagree with. But if I were a YT video creator, instead of stealing your work, I would acutely invite you to a debate, like a professional.
This says a lot about Smudboy.
It doesn’t, it makes Pillar look disingenuous.
@@LegacyComics100 care to explain?
I mean, Young Ripper and Ernie the Blerd disappeared and had a 43 minute interesting discussion. What's wrong with that?
@@vernonhampton5863 1. He claims Smudboy is Alt-right without bringing up any point about him being such, he just labels him as such.
2. He outright admits he didn’t watch the video through who it would imply HE chooses what points HE gets to be made, But then I guess it's easier to dismiss someone when you f*cking make up what they have to say.
3. The Young Rippa and Ernie discussion is irrelevant because I don’t got the context for it, and Smudcast is in a hour long live stream, I don’t get what you’re talking about nor how does this pertain to Pillar of Garbage?
Keep it up ^^ thanks for the content
The right wing being the right wing. Man, I'm sorry you were the target of their childish hatred this time. Also, loved the video plug at the end lol.
And by way smudboy saying something about race and iq. So yes he is some What a racist