Do magazine springs lose power when loaded for years?
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- čas přidán 23. 04. 2016
- Old-school wisdom says to store your magazines unloaded when they're not in use to save the springs, or even to not load them to full capacity. Old-school wisdom apparently does not carry a gun every day nor have a home to defend.
Internet scientists say that magazine springs are impervious to damage from being loaded for extended periods of time and point to (probably the same) anecdote of a 1911 that was loaded back in nineteen dickety two and still "worked just fine." These same internet scientists insist - knowing that a recoil spring can last 2000-5000 rounds or more - that only the repeated loading and unloading of a magazine is what causes magazine springs to wear out. Never mind that it would take 30,000-75,000 rounds to put 2000-5000 cycles on a fifteen round magazine (if you shoot all the ammo you load) and that round counts in that range could very likely wear out the gun as soon as the magazine spring. Never mind that shooting 30,000+ rounds through one gun with one magazine is probably something approximately 0% of gun owners ever achieve.
Is either camp right? I add more data points to a contentious argument in this video.
Actually someone doing a real test versus just talking about it. Nice job.
Jason Zeisler couldn't have said it better. People have always said having your mag loaded has no bearing on the spring life.
Right! I had to like it when he said 5 years.
Would have nice to see of they functioned in the gun that's the big question
@@magicd5780 did you not watch the entire video?? Zero malfunction s and lockback on all magazines.
@@Snowy0123 Is rather seem him just shoot em ass is rather than take them apart relieving the pressure from the spring momentarily
The commitment is crazy 5 year setup for a vid
Next we need to do 50 year long ammo storage tests in hot, cold, humid, dry and coastal climates. Shade and no shade. buried in dirt or kept in a garage. Plastic ammo box versus metal ammo box.
+Riddick tonn a lot of folk tend to forget about that aspect though lol
Saya1 especially creationists...
+Denchanter357 I get the joke but I happennto be one. I'll admit people have intelligence even if their stuipid in one thing or another as you believe I'm to be both. though even if ya disregard religion entirely a lot of religious book from most sources will have things historically accurate so at the very least their an inconsistent historal account where sometimes there is none for the time. so don't discount them entirely
Yeoman Archer military surplus rounds are stored in unfavorable conditions sometimes. As well as can be older than you in some cases. Also i stored shotgun and rifle ammo in my garage for two years, only have 3 rounds total not fire but those were light primer strikes from rapid fire after my rifle was hot.
I think people forget we only live 70 years. If I get my first handgun at 21, I'll only need to do 10 spring replacements for my fully loaded mags in my entire life, and that's if I do it every five years.
Keep your mags loaded. Mags are cheep. Life is not.
I leave my 15 round triple k 1911 magazine I modified a bit fully loaded for self defense in the house and leave my to Wilson Combat mags unloaded
My gun is a colt gold cup trophy bright stainless
1911
@Seckswithatoaster ...
70 years? I have patients who are in their 80s and probably more healthy than you if you believe that. 90+ is a constant regular occurrence and most of them are obviously slower but still fully functional.
Holy shit you missed the target. This must be an authentic channel. Subbed.
I was uh... hitting a target further down range. Out of frame. Or something. ;-)
Shadetree Armorer lol OK I'm subbing
Shadetree Armorer yeah most noobs only trying with one Target in frame, they always forget about the special operator Target that is out of frame...
Skates82: I just hate how those operator targets out of frame are so quiet when you hit them... they really should make a louder noise.
@@phillips91682ify i saw that rock he got it!!!!
Thank you for this experiment I'm no longer worried about leaving my glock mags loaded. The amount of creep on the springs is negligible and insignificant in my opinion.
At least, the creep is negligible for the G21 mags that were paired with my Gen 3. Glock has many magazine designs. On the bright side, even my mags which showed lots of creep still functioned fine. I'm not worried either.
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nice test . not to mention the fact the age of the actual spring itself and how one spring regardless of how often its used or not will get simular loss of function or creep as you mentioned to that of another, its been my experience that most stoppages due to poor feeding isn't the mags fault but mostly due to poor cleaning of the firearm itself or the gun ho types that over fill the mags
I shot 21 year old Hi Power mags loaded with 21 year old ammo, and had zero problems, but the 13 round Hi Power mags do not smash the springs down nearly as much as other mags. Sig's P228 factory magazines are also only 13 rounds, but the aftermarkets, also made by MecGar just like the Sig factory mags, hold 15 rounds, and they are not nearly as hard to load as Beretta's PX4 Compact mags. Those PX4 springs are really mashed down super hard. That last round is pretty darn tight.
Creep is due to the movement & creation of new dislocations in a material. They are imperfections that allow rows of atoms to move one atomic space at the time.
Each dislocation causes a local distortion in the material. Eventually, dislocations will ''pile up'' and get stuck in the strain fields created by each other.
In my opinion, the speed of room temperature creep should become less and less over time.
*I remember reading that hydrogen made creep worse... and caused embrittlement. I cannot remember why.
I have nothing negative to say about you or your extensive research. you're just a smart guy helping a lot of people. thank you sir.
Focused, too. I suppose this transfers to mags for other firearms. Scientific principle applied?
This comment is so negative
@@DroneVideos4k I'm feeling sad because I know tomorrow is gonna be a bad day, I'm out of money and my glass of water is almost gone and I know I'm gonna get a cold next week and I'll probably lose my job and its gonna rain.
I certainly wouldn't have expected such a thorough test. Good job and thank you for the video!
Christoph Michelbach no shit! I thought my wife had my balls in a jar under the sink.....
Thank You for taking the time to do this test.
Serious time lmfao
THANK YOU SIR!!! this has been an extremely difficult thing to get an answer on. I appreciate your work.
No problem!
A dedication of science it took five years in the making to make this video but getting down to the truth is the most important thing.
The best comment here
The humility of this guy... taking over 5 years to produce a test on a controversial topic in the gun community... and he apologizes that he couldn't do more. Great guy, great vid. Liked & Subbed, brother.
Great review sir! I have a Beretta 92-f 9mm used for a service weapon year’s ago. Left it fully loaded and 3 mags topped off. After 23 years sitting it ran amazing. I was surprised, and had concerns about the spring tension as well, but everything was functioning and cycling with no issues
Great video. Refreshing to hear someone on the interweb in the gun realm that actually does their homework, speaks intelligently, and isn't a super tacticool operator guy... Solid video. Well done
I liked your video. Nicely done. I have called S&W for my M&P, as well as Magpul for my AR. They both told me that they design the mags to be loaded permanently. I love your in depth stuff. Keep em coming.
Thank for this video! It's good to know that somebody took the time to make a video about this. Now I don't worry so much about leaving mine loaded but it was a concern at one point. I wondered about my daily carry which is also the LC9.
I have a S&W 915 and have kept the mags loaded since I bought it in the 80s. I shoot it about once a week and have never had any malfunctions. However, after watching this excellent video, I'm ordering new springs! Thanks.
The hero youtube needs!
deadlychicken69 but not the one we deserve..
Beat me to it...
He beat me too...
Can we trust him?
Y’all should all do a video if you have mags to test.... more data the better...
I love seeing the results of long term tests like this. It's the kind of data that is hard to come by. And it's useful in engineering far beyond it's original scope. Good job.
This is excellent. A lot of talk on this very subject, without real data. This is real data, showing that the loaded springs compress (shorten) over time.
I would have personally introduced a brand new mag into the test as a control, but that hardly nullifies the experiment. Well done!
really can't beat your test. bravo! thank you so much for this experiment. I've been keeping a lot of my AR mags loaded and all my pistol mags too. well done. subbed!
one of the most informational videos I've ever watched. thank you
Today Aug 8 2020 I have been watching mag vblogs on and off all day. This is the only one that had
a structured approach to mag spring "wear" over time. All the others were talk ( BS ). Thank you for
the effort it is appreciated.
Turns out it's a lot easier to repeat something you've heard than actually do the work and figure out the truth. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for taking the time to do such an extensive test and making a great video! It helped answer my questions about spring wear.
Excellent data. I've wondered about this for years now and wish I had thought to do something along the same lines when I last purchased some XDM 40 mags for long term hidden placement around the property. I have recently lost one of them and I think I might just order two and perform the same test, although not as extensively. Thanks a lot for this publication!
I liked your test as impromptu as it was. Answered all my questions. More good than bad. Thanks
I don't suppose may folks have thought of weakening springs from constant storage , rather ,eta when I taught metallurgical physics, in the portion of elastic effect I termed the "coathanger" effect of weakening due to flexing and unflexing heating. This test you did is interesting because you have proven that just compressing a spring shortens it without weakening. Others have already disproved "coathanger" effect as neither the amplitude or rapidity of flexing meets the threshold for weakening one would associate with a hot bending coathanger suddenly breaking. This was an excellent test you conducted and I had not thought of in my classes before I retired. Thanks!
Sincerely impressed by your dedication and attention to detail. You certainly did not cut any corners. Subscribed.
Thanks!
Replacing the springs in the mags of a gun you're selling to a friend sounds like the right thing to do. Alternatively if you sell one to an enemy take the springs out completely 🧐
Or just file down the firing pin ;) 😂
This is exactly what I was looking for thanks for taking the time.
Talk about dedication! This was a great test. Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
Thanks for the video. Subscribed.
Impressive amount of time/effort you put into this testing. Thank you!
Very interesting and informative. I appreciate seeing some actual thought put into this. My father and I both carry Winchester Ranger T series, and both of us keep our carry guns loaded to +1 capacity. Very cool to see that function of the magazine is unaffected and that the rounds still work after such time.
I was starting to worry that I had been carrying my rounds for too long and wanting to replace them. Considering I've carried OWB and I've only been carrying those rounds for 2 years since last replacement, I suppose they can go a little longer.
Keep up the good work mate.
+Erik Mason Thanks!
Wow! This is gold! Thx 4 taking the time to do this.
Thanks for this video. This is something I’ve been concerned/interested in for quite a long time.
Great test, well done. Love the idea of testing springs this way, results are real world and thanks for posting!
Interesting and informative, would be interesting to see a "new" magazine (just loaded once before the test) as a control to see if there is a difference between one and one that had been loaded and unloaded many times at the range. Also maybe see one that had been loaded for a long time with 1-2 rounds less than capacity of the magazine.
Superb video, your testing gave a definitive answer to this question of loaded magazine reliability over extended time period. Thank you!
6 years later your vids still helping others. Thank you for your time.
No problem!
Thanks Glad to see that my Glock 21 Mags can be left loaded for my EDC gun, Thanks for sharing & taking the time to do this test etc.
one of the best video on you tube about mag springs thanks for sharing I give you 10 out of 10 thanks ones again
Wow. Amazing work. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, man!
Thanks for your time you put in.
Excellent! Thanks for showing.
Wow! Serious dedication much appreciated brother.
The best I've seen.
Thank you for your time and sharing?👍
Liked and subbed.✌️
Great video! I've always wondered this because I usually have my 9mm magazines loaded. Of course every expert on the internet has their own opinion. Your video is the first one I have seen that actually experimented. Great job and thank you!
I've wondered this for 20 years. Thank you uploader.
I was taught, use (compression & release) caused spring wear and leaving mags loaded wouldn't damage the spring. Clearly springs at max compression degrade. I'll be using your information and will begin changing out my mag springs every 5-7 years depending on use. Thanks for taking the time to actually complete this test.
Make sure you check my work! The conventional wisdom is wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm always right. My G21 mags for instance exhibited very little creep. You probably have guns that are different from mine, and even if not your springs may be from different batches or subcontractors or whatever. Check your loaded mag springs against your practice mags and see what the differences are.
Bend a clothes hanger back and forth in the same bend. What happens??? Nough said...metal IS COMPRIMISED with use and tension. I always thought this was just common sense, really. But, thx for the test that shows, to what extent, they're effected.
you made me check!!! lol i have 2 carry mags that have been loaded for 4 yrs and 3 extra range mags that are fairly new i leave unloaded my results were much the same on 40 cal m&p but like yourself no miss fires or fail to feeds thanks for the video!!!
I still get accused of faking these results. People just don't want to accept that something they've believed for years is a myth.
@@ShadetreeArmorer agreed !!! but my grandpa/daddy/uncle carl said..... !!!!! yea i get that all the time!!!!!
@@ShadetreeArmorer Is there a range test to go along w/this?-How did the loaded springs perform on the range?
@@TrueBlueYou I see you didn’t watch the video and scrolled down to the comments instead.
@@ShadetreeArmorer it's crazy how much people will deny certain concepts that are real and true. This is why world politics is such a mess. Either way good on you to find out yourself, the world needs more of us to do that.
Awesome, awesome video. Thank you sir. Maybe something else to consider, the quality of the metal used to make the springs. I like your theory of the designers choosing to possibly go over the spring's designed limit by adding that 'extra' round as a selling point for the firearm
Great Vid man. Very informational, and kills the Myths.
Amazing real world data comparison! From a theoretical engineering approach, (simply put) yes loading and unloading of a spring and keeping a load on a spring for periods of time will shorten the length (in return life) of the spring. Does this matter though? No, because just about every manufacturer accounts for this, making their springs slightly longer to ensure spring life for their mags. In the end if you ever do exceed the life of your springs (which would take a LONG time to do so), its not that big of a deal to replace the springs or mags.
Love to see people actually testing things physically instead of relying on the calculations done by engineers . Subbed!
This probobly explains why HK limits mag capacity even though the tube is long enough for another round. Really good video you have put together.
Saiga actually does the same thing with their .308 mags. You can modify the factory 8 round magazine to hold 10 rounds. But there just might be a reason they limited it to 8...
+mattorama CAL MAG REG FROM 10 TO 8 , CHECK GLOCK MAG REGS FOR THE STATE OF EMERGENCY CALIFORNIA !!!!9/29/17 SPOKANE WA! !
Great up-load, keep up the great videos....
John Moses Browning designed the M1911 spring and follower to only let the original magazines take 7 rounds, even though there was room in the box for 8. It's amazing how even 100+ years ago, they put that kinda thought into gun and magazine design.
Good informative vid and certainly dispels any myth about springs wearing , it is of no consequence to keep them loaded for years. thnx
Thank you for running your test, and providing the great information!
"Or do not, I am not a begger" best part of the whole video. After the scientific rigor.
Great test report. Well done and not too wordy. I noticed the Glock magazine springs have closer coil spacing at the top of the magazine near the follower. The other magazine springs appear to have evenly spaced coils which are a little cheaper to produce. Perhaps the designers at Glock have had additional studies that led to the design of their springs so they would not be affected as much by being compressed for a long time.
The Glock engineering mojo is certainly on display here! Very little spring creep on those mags. I would have to guess that it's all but impossible to eliminate unless you use a spring that's nowhere near it's compression limit - like a 30rd mag pinned to 10rd, for instance.
I own a Taurus G2C, the springs in the magazines that came with it are identical to those Glock springs. Good to know. Love my G2C!
thanks for the time taken to make this. really things held up fairly well. better then my experience at least (glock compact and full size 9/40/357 mags most over 8 and up to 12yrs and some 17 mags may be 3coils short length wise (including a wolf +power replacement spring). I rotate springs and magizines because of this and have some that fail to lard the last or last 2 rounds or at the least just intermittent slide lock. .... I have never heard of "spring creep" but it sounds appropriate I've found loading to 30% capacity makes the wear seem incredibly minimal compared to closer to full capacity. and I do believe (it certainly seems like it) a few days/week spring fully unbound outside of a magazine can help temporarily restore some degree of function to the weaker springs....... and thanks again for a rather well documented test and the time to post it for us, cheers!
Great video. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this.
Great Video!
You are legit!
Great analysis - I wonder if you had the foresight to measure the springs initially. Shortness is not a significant measure unless the springs were longer to begin with.
He did say it was impromptu, but that is an excellent point. Manufacturers could have changed designs of the spring from year to year for any reason.
Echoing everyone’s comments. Thanks for taking the time to provide this thorough testing 👏
This guy is my hero; Thank you. I have a few guns with fully loaded magazines ever since i bought them a few years ago. Never fire a shot.
Pretty good test. I have loaded my safe guns a few rounds shy of complete for years looking to minimize this issue. That and rotation of the magazines and rounds seems the easiest solution. :)
I'd like to share some of my personal experience as a fellow gunsmith. While the plastic deformation was clearly visible, a more telling test would be to take the assembled mags and measure the upward force on the follower at bullet sized intervals down the length of each and plot the resulting curves against each other. What I believe you would find would be two things: 1: the expected slightly weaker force of the stored-loaded ones (curve of lower amplitude), and 2: A shift in the shape of the curve itself.
Because you have good form, it would take a fairly significant problem with the magazine to actually cause a malfunction. However, for the zillions of poor form and weaker shooters, spring problems can be vastly exacerbated.
Outside of dirty guns, when a customer tells me a gun is jamming, I always test it myself. I routinely encounter guns that I can put 200 rounds though without a malfunction, but when the customer does the firing, they can't get through a single mag without a problem. All of this is generally due to grip strength and form. However, worn springs can play a big role in the issue as well.
When *you* are firing the gun, you are creating essentially optimal conditions for the firearm. It's clean and it's held nearly perfectly still during the recoil. In this scenario the springs really have to only achieve the bare minimum of functionality. With a shooter with weak arms, a weak grip, and poor recoil control, the story is different.
Consider what happens in the magazine if the gun is allowed to move four inches vertically during the recoil. Now instead of the mag spring having to push the stack of rounds up only 1/4 of an inch, it now has to achieve that same motion with the full inertia of those round pushing down against the recoil force that is lifting them up those four inches. The weaker spring is far more likely to fail under those conditions.
It's often more obvious of a problem with recoil springs. If you stored the gun locked-back for 5 years, it would likely function just fine, but the slide would be battering the crap out of the frame. The idea here is that while the worn spring may be able to perform *some* of its tasks adequately (returning the gun into battery), it won't necessarily be performing *all* of its tasks (absorbing enough recoil to protect the frame).
In a nutshell, you aren't wrong here. A good shooter is not likely to experience problems with stored-loaded mags. But there is a reason that every manufacturer recommends replacing all the springs in a self-protection firearm every couple years. Not everyone has perfect form, and if your life depends on it its hard to justify taking that extra risk. Cheers!
Well thought-out comment, cheers!
@@ShadetreeArmorer Similar to AshburnArmorer's suggestion, but I was hoping you would test the actual spring rate, I'm far from being any kind of expert, but I can't help but wonder if the compressed springs would eventually "relax" so to speak, and lengthen back out to original length, and aren't actually any weaker. I have no idea if this is the case or not, it's probably just as likely that they wouldn't, just wish there was a little more to go on, it's a great test though otherwise, and still a lot better and informative than pure heresay. But if you ever revisit this, pick up a spring rate tester! And on a side note, as an owner of M&P's I'm a little disappointed in how they held up, seems like the Glocks held up a lot better, but as much as I want to like Glocks, I just don't. I don't dispute that they are good, solid guns, but I hate their ergonomics, and I really wanted to like them too because I wanted a 10mm. Was actually going to get an FNH FNS over both as I really like them, M&P was actually my second choice, but then I found some police trade ins with night sights at half the cost of new guns, lol. That could actually make for an interesting video too, testing how much brightness night sights lose over time, I think the generally recommended replacement interval is 10 years, could make for an interesting video though to compare.
@@grindersandgears3445 I didn't have the equipment to take any measurements, but the M&P springs that had been under load were notably weaker feeling when loading and unloading rounds than the ones that weren't. I didn't really notice as dramatic a difference on the LC9 springs despite the fact that they lost a lot of length.
One question,what of the different metals the following springs are cast.?
I would value your opinion on certain jury rigs,all I want to do is what you do. There aren't enough smith's in Canada bro.
two great points, #1 i knew that compression over time had to cause loss, it seems so obvious to me #2 its great to see that the loss is controlled and not an issue thank you for posting
Very well done put together test and video. As an engineering major I enjoyed seeing a quality examination of this question that I am sure many of us gun owners have wondered at one time or another. You earned a new subscriber.
Since this mainly focused on creep it would be interesting to test to see how magazines are if at all susceptible to fatigue given how many times a magazine can be fully loaded and unloaded. I wonder with modern metallurgy, machine design, and CAE most firearm engineers determined a proper endurance limit for this component or if it is one of those parts that they assume is to be replaced every so often. I would hope for the first case even if it cost more.
I think about it this way: A recoil spring or striker spring can last 3-5k rounds, right? Okay. So imagine you have just one ten round magazine and the spring in it wears at the same rate as a recoil/striker spring. Assume you load rounds in the magazine, and always shoot them out. It would take 30-50k rounds to cycle that spring 3-5k times. That's the service life of major components like the frame, slide and barrel... as in, you can fully expect to wear out the gun as fast as you'd wear out the magazine spring through compression and decompression. On top of that, you gotta keep in mind the striker and recoil springs are cycled very rapidly, which will build up heat - on top of being near a source of heat. The magazine spring on the other hand is cycled slowly which allows that heat to dissipate, and it's further away from a heat source. I just can't imagine, assuming quality materials and normal use, that it's realistically possible to wear out a magazine spring through compression cycles.
Thanks for doing this video. I've heard cases for and against keeping mags loaded. Now I'm pretty comfortable keeping my glock mags fully loaded and ready.
I would have checked once a year to see if its getting worse.
Who am i kidding i dont have the patience!
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Inherited from my Dad what was originally my grandfather's Colt 1908 Vest Pocket (1919 manufacture). I ran through the six rounds it had in it with no problems. It performed well each time I took it to the range until recently.
With .25APC hard to find, I buy what is available but the little pistol has started jamming with almost everything I try in it-- ejecting, but not seating the next round.
So, today, I received my spring kit.
New magazine spring: 5-3/4"
Old magazine spring: 4-7/16"
About an inch and a quarter!
Obviously feels different to load the magazine, and also when seating the magazine.
I look forward to my next range time. Hopefully, it will be less picky about what I feed it.
Thanks for the video !
Subbed. Shared. Liked.
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Wait, wait. I worry what you just heard was give me a lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was: Give me all the bacon and eggs you have.
Shadetree Armorer You had me at Meat Tornado.
Shadetree Armorer
You sir, just gained a new subscriber!
Shadetree Armorer
"I'll have the party platter."
"Sir, that's for up to four people.."
"I know what i'm about, son."
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I'm 5 years into experimenting with Affirmations vs' Negative conversations with my Magazines...just 5 more years to go, and I will have the Data to share.
Unexpectedly thorough. Great video.
I saw the thumbnail, read the title and was convinced the video was about some kind of spring used in books or the ones in notebooks.
I'm not sad however.
Nice job. You are like me. You got tired of hearing everybody talk and decided to actually test it. It's funny you mentioned how old your carry ammo was. I just recently uploaded a video testing that theory, although my carry ammo was two years old. You'd be surprised at how many people think ammo goes bad in a year or less. Of course, there are conditions that can cause that, but they are truly the exception and not the rule. Thanks for doing this. I was thinking about it, and you saved me a LOT of time. 😁
Indeed. Keep oil away from your carry ammo and don't go swimming with it, you'll be just fine.
when my pops started shooting again after 22 years he had ammo from 1994 and it still worked perfect
Great video! Let me share my experience: I am a LEO who carried a S&W 4006 as my duty weapon. At 0830L on 9/11 my ANG Security Forces unit was activated. For the next year and a half, my duty weapon and spare mags were forgot about in my gun safe. When my Unit was deactivated, I went to the range to qualify before return to LEO duties. While qualifying, I had two of the three S&W mags have multiple issues with feeding and locking back the slide. As a rangemaster myself, the rangemaster who was qualifying me and I decided to experiment in correcting the magazine issues by re-stretching the springs. Doing that corrected one of the two problematic magazines, the other continued to have feeding issues. Although all three of my mags were replaced for duty use, it was an interesting and surprising turn of events.
Conversely, when my Security Forces was activated, we broke ot the "wartime" supply of loaded 30 rd. M-4 magazines. (Variety of manufactures.) The were fully loaded for at least 6 years that I know of. When qualifying at the range prior to deployment, we had ZERO issues with any of the mags.
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Thank you for posting this. Great info.
I forget the actual formula but time does play a role in sag resistance (room temperature creep), which is the technical term. Regarding using the spring (compression and decompression), it is only worst if the strain rate (speed of loading) is high enough to induce crack initiation and propagation, which in a mag spring it is not. Time is the issue.
An important thing to consider is the element or alloy used to make the spring. You are correct however, spring creep is a known phenomenon, but it is very difficult to calculate.
I leave all my mags loaded and stock up on two spare springs per mag for my preps so no matter what years from now I will have working mags
Thank you for talking the time to make and share this video.
The only guy I have found that actually did the physical testing. Thank you
Turns out, it matters.
Nicely done - a thorough test with usable results. Looks like Glock uses superior springs.
Well maybe not exactly. Like he said, it could be that the glock 21 mags have a little extra space and aren't getting compressed as hard when fully loaded like the M&P mags. Either way both mags functioned fine after years of being fully loaded. but i'd still replace both springs under after being loaded for so long to be safe. Just as he did.
I shot 2 full 15 round mags from a Sig p226 today that had been loaded for 12 years.
Not one malfunction. Became a Smith and Wesson fan so the Sig got ignored. Accuracy was great too. I may have to reconsider my choices.
Bubba Blackmon love the AIG P226 . Thing is accurate as can be.
Good video man! Thank you for your work posting this
Straight to the point, good information, well analysis and good scientific aproche. I wish all the other do video's like that! Thanks
excellent video. thanks for sharing.
"Or do not; I am not a beggar." That made me laugh. I'm so used to CZcamsrs ending it with a command, but when you said that, it surprised me. You sir, have made my day.
I'm still not sharing your video.
Haha!
I'm sharing it! Good knowledge and five years of preparation deserves some recognition
yeah I caught that at the end too and had a good chuckle
I came here to comment on this too, sounds like something Ron Swanson would say.
it is what Ron Swanson says
Amazing video - so brilliant that you took the time to do this - and settle so many nerves.. we all just want to do whats right and not make a fatal mistake..
Thanks for the hard work. You answered alot of my questions with this video
I have some AR mags, about 10 or so I loaded back in 2001, about 15 plus years ago. They were brand new mags and only have been loaded once, never cycled. I would be curious how they have held up.
Me too!
deltaleader71 and results are ?
haha. Haven't tried them yet, life kind of getting in the way atm...they are still sitting there. Maybe I need to do this soon, record it and post to my channel.
@@deltaleader71 Have you tried them yet?
@@orficaldari3524 negative. I still have not tested any yet. I need to try to remember to do this next go around.
springs are cheap, just replace them every so often...
Or get extra ones for when the others get weak
they are pretty expensive actually
Thanks for the video. Contradicts a lot of information out there
This is a very well put together experiment. Very conclusive. Thank you for it
You are a scientist.
Ha ha ha this is hilarious. I’ve literally wondered this every single day of my life
Thanks for the laugh, Michael... Really cracked me up and helped with a recent depressive mood. It's like Steven Wright once said... "You know when you're leaning back on the two legs of a four-legged chair and you're just about to fall over backwards??? ...I feel that way all the time!"
this is a outstanding experiment you did on mag springs sir
Great info thats very hard to come by, nice job sir!!
cool vidio. it depends on what peoe think ia long.what about 15-20.....40years..tbanks for the vid tho I like yur personality. .or dont im not a begger he says..lol