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- Dungeons & Dragons, introduced in 1974 attracted millions of players, along with accusations by some religious figures that the game fostered demon worship and a belief in witchcraft and magic.
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"Encouraged decapitating people"
*thinks back to that time i tried to seduce a potted plant*
Raicov did it work?
@@fashionsoulsonlysouls5575 DM said no
@@sadstarfish7 sighs- you need to try to ask it on a date first! Dinner and a movie
The bar waitress gave my bard an apple juice cos he looked to young, he was 38.
Stuff with Luisers55 Destruction 100
"Why'd all these kids die?!?"
"Role investigation"
"1"
"It was dongeouns and dragons!"
Jimmy D. Lmao this is underrated
Critical miss
Best comment 😂
Love it.
Is that misspelling on purpose
"12 kids committed suicide and they all play D&D"
How many kids committed suicide and did not play D&D
Underrated comment.
@@abrogaming5976 Thanks
What does this mean???
@@afusuke500 It's a controversial conclusion. They are not taking a fair look at all the data and instead chose to focus on one aspect.
For example:
12 gazelle got eaten by a lion and all these gazelle ate grass #1.
Okay, but gazelle get eaten by lions all the time so of course some of them will have characteristics in common but that is not a cause that is just because a large population sample was taken.
Note this was just an example it may not be correct
If you still don't understand I can provide with more examples
Shut up with your logic and reasoning it's making me have to think!
calling d&d "satanic" is basically saying monopoly causes corruption
which is true
@@filthybrown yeah no
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 II mean he's not wrong
@@michaelzhao2041 he kinda is. At most Monopoly just teaches kids. a bit about how to deal with money.
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 let's be real, i've seen families almost tear each other apart over monopoly due to mummy's corruption. but it was also made as a critical parody of capitalism, so in another sense it does encourage corruption as a "joke"
www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20170728-monopoly-was-invented-to-demonstrate-the-evils-of-capitalism
My friends are Catholic, and they were telling a story of talking to the new Priest at their church and admitted that they played D&D. The Priest sighed and said, "I loved playing D&D when I was in college - I was always the cleric. Now that I'm a priest I don't have the time to play any more."
the cleric later becomes a clergyman..
Bonus: Now they get to live make-believe instead of just playing it.
Catholics are different than fundamentalist Christians. Sure some Catholics are crazy, but most aren’t. Fundamentalists are the ones who literally believe in fundamentals that they haven’t evolved their way of thinking since the year of Christ. That’s why they’re so stupid and crazy and reject logic and science.
For what it's worth, I think there is at least somewhat of an understanding in belief beyond fanaticism within the Catholic church. There are science advisors within it at some of the highest levels. Credit where credit is due. I might not share the same fundamental beliefs, but I respect integrity, as it is a human condition for those that are true to themselves and others alike.
So he went from playing at being a cleric to actually being one!
"You're leaving the world of reality into the world of fantasy"
you do that whenever you read a good book.
Yeah nothing says world of fantasy like a boat with two of every single animal on it.
@@frequencydecline5250 wasn't the two of each thing just part of the childrens stories, not the actual biblical tale?
Genesis 5
19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.”
Happens when you read The Hobbit. Or Alice In Wonderland.
Exactly
“It advocated murder, decapitation.” So tell me how the Bible has no murder in it.
Dio Brando I wasn’t expecting you!
Not to mention encouraging the murder of homosexuals.
Ahem ahem, DEUS VULT, one could say. Many atheists murder at that time one could say.
The Bible, however, doesn’t encourage murder though there are accounts of it happening. We all know one of the Ten Commandments is “thou shall not murder.”
@@ruleaus7664 haven't read the book of Joshua lately, have you?
the hilarious thing is that a lot of D&D adventures are about _stopping_ demons, devils, and cults
The mere existence of the Cleric and Paladin classes is a serious challenge to the accusation that D&D is sacrilegious or Satanic. Players of those classes almost always play Lawful Good and sometimes model their characters, and those characters' religions, on Christian iconography and practice, like Crusaders and Lutheran monks. Paladins even lose their blessings if they act outside of Good moral alignment, based on the DM's discretion.
I think the mindset is important to understand. Most strict religious people try to stay away from things that they perceive as evil or dangerous with a 10-foot pole, and the bible definitely warns against witchcraft, seers, magic, spells, wizards, devils and demons by name. The belief is that thinking about and dwelling on those ideas will have allow the devil to enter your heart. In the mind of fundamentalist preachers, it's not about where your intentions lie. It's about a line that God told you not to cross and things in which you were warned not to dabble.
It might seem crazy, but it's understandable. I know several adults that would not allow their children to read Harry Potter because of its magical content.
Yeah it's called Fantasy.
As if God didn't gave Prophet powers to proove his existance.
I am so disappointed with D&D in that the 30+ years I’ve been playing, not once has Satan or any diabolical creature ever appeared. However, I did learn about cooperation, racial acceptance, gender equality, comparative religion and European history. Plus, probabilities, logic, puzzle solving and critical thinking. The word of the day is “prestidigitation”.
Troy Cook Took me a week to learn how to pronounce that spell lol.
Troy Cook You win the interwebs👍💗✌🏼☮️♡♡😊🏆🏆🏆🏆
so basically satan for conservatives
fred garvin since that's what the media told you, i won't try to *erm* , correct your logical fallacy.
Troy Cook
You learned about gender equality? Did you play a mixed team?
Help! Our kids are thinking and using their imaginations. Help!
Robert Tustin see now why religious folks hated it? XD
Burak Yasar actually games like dnd are quite popular with “religious folks” who would prefer to raise their kids properly instead of let them run wild and do drugs or rot in front of a tv.
Lauren Fyle ok where do I join/sign up with ya guys? I might have projected my experiences with a backwards ideology called Islam and generalized those and I’m sorry bout that
you're just doing the same as people who hunted d&d
OMG! Our kids are thinking for themselves, not only in the ways we taught them, and now they're ceasing to be a "mini me".
"Why don't they just drop acid like normal teenagers?"
My LG paladin: helps old lady find her lost cat
Overly religious Karen’s: “This must be SATANS WORK, GET RID OF IT”
My NG cleric: forces the party to stop in an impoverished town so she can provide medical services
Satanic Panic Karen, teleporting into 2020 through sheer anger: DEVIL WORSHIPERS
Nice apostrophe
Tamar McMahon I swear those ladies are driven by sheer will and rage.
My child paladin: hugs her friends to heal them
Karen: SaTaN.
My CG Barbarian "Worry not, little girl...I SHALL FIND YOUR BEAST AND RETURN IT TO YOU!!!"
You sir, rolled a 1 on your investigation check
With a -10 penalty.
he definitely doesn't possess an 18 in Intelligence OR Charisma =/
This comment deserves more thumb-ups.
Nice one
With disadvantage lmaO
Oh god I can't believe some poor people who actually lost their child paid some con man private investigator that told them it was D&D. That's just disgusting.
Alex Oelkers now to be fair the pi actually believed what he told them, he wasn't conning them.
Shaun Dreclin he's a con man in that he was selling his services to a desperate family as a private investigator when he clearly isn't much of a investigator
but the kid was computer nerd and had long hair
The PI has 10% of the info and he made up the rest.
Whatever it takes to block out the knowledge that your own child was suicidally depressed right in front of you and you couldn't face reality. That's the irony - the dangerous fantasy was in the parent's heads all along. Their child couldn't possibly be mentally ill and in desperate need of help, to them, it was preferable to play make-believe and act like demons and witchcraft are the real problem, not whatever was going in in their family right in front of them.
It's pretty sad that so many parents see stuff like this and think "I don't want my kid getting suicidal, so I'll take away the one thing that brings them joy and connects them to their friends"
"Oh no, I took everything away from them that kept them alive, but they still killed themselves.......... D&D HAS SUCH A POWER OVER OUR KIDS THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN RECOVER ANYMORE! BAN ALL ROLEPLAY! No, Daniel, not this kind of roleplay, that's fine but don't talk about it to the others."
I bet there was a time that cave paintings were allegedly corrupting the youth
Conservative cavemen were all "I don't like how much time Urk spends on the cave wall drawing dead mammoths, it's a bad influence on him"
Not everywhere but I’m sure Mug and Krag were not happy with Ook and Groog for using their imaginations in a cooperative drawing story.
He say when sun go away it come back with no sun come back dance
He say moon block sun and not sun go away due to us be bad.
Is good now. He burn at stake. He yummy.
@Snoi Med "he's contributing NOTHING to make our culture last! just drawing some dumb pictures"
"I know what you mean Durk. Hey, my brother is a shaman. He could trepan little Urk to release those evil spirits from his head. What do you say?"
"It encouraged decapitating people." You mean that the Cowboys and Indians you most likely played as a Texan always ended in peace?
As a Texan I can tell you it did end in peace. We peacefully rounded up the Indians. We peacefully relocated them to an area and then we peacefully made finger guns and shot them. Very peaceful like.
@@TheRopenNetwork Yes, please...
This is my favorite comment now!
@@TheRopenNetwork yea try expand more on that topic....if you trying to bring religion into it i'll happily tear down your argument, but please feel free to try
@@TheRopenNetwork The bible involves demons and devils, need I say more.
1:25 "He was a computer nerd. And he had a large amount of hair." That, my friends, is investigative powers at work!
hahahaha Yeah... Sherlock can't beat that
lol "he had his little briefcase"
He took his furry suit off just in time for this interview.
DreadfulRed this is why I got short hair, I might become a computer nerd.... That's usually how it happens.
"Compukers? Never heard of them. Are they like bongs? These kids are into this crazy stuff nowadays!"
also a true story from the 1980s: in 1989, my best friend was a kid named Allen, and he was a slow learner, and an excellent Thief (we didn't call them Rogues back then). mediocre grades. not good at math. just not really very bright.
or...so we all thought.
after about a year of playing D&D, he got insanely interested in reading. and not just D&D books like DragonLance, but all sorts of books about the medieval period, the Crusades, weapons and armor, the history of european royalty, etc...
by 1991, he was getting As across the board. why? because his interest in reading piqued his interest in many other things. it also vastly improved his vocabulary, helping him to better express his thoughts and ideas verbally and on paper, which greatly helped him in school.
it also helped him better express why he struggled with math, so when he told his parents exactly why he had trouble, they were able to locate a tutor best suited to his needs.
turns out Al wasn't dumb at all. he just didn't really know how to express himself, and after years of people treating him like he was stupid, he'd been believing it about himself. but once he started succeeding with reading, it all changed.
so much for D&D destroying kids' lives. thanks, christians...once again, your ignorance and one-dimension thought process hasn't failed you.
I know this is late but heres the thing, all secular people seem to group all followers of Jesus simply as "Christians" which in a way is true but they also group all of their beliefs and actions under that one category which is far from the truth.
It varies from denomination what beliefs are passed on, I'm baptist and think that catholics over do it, mary was just a person not somone to pray to, the commandments clearly state that for example.
But anyway there is nothing wrong with DnD, it was created by a Christian as a fantasty based imiganary outlet of creativity, it isn't down to what the people do but their thoughts when doing it, anything can create evil in someone that leans that way, for example I've played World of Warcraft nearly all of my life and never once thought to try and murder or summon demons (as I played mostly Warlock, which do exactly that), it was an outlet and actually helped me massively with skills, especially social skills as I kind of shut down when I was forced to move schools in high school, the 'peak' of socialising, and knew absolutely no one.
"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love." - 1 John 4:7-8 (The bible clearly tells us, christians, to love one another, that is EVERYONE, but not every Christian practises this belief).
Well stated
I'm christian, and I play D&D, and I still completely agree with you
Speaking of ignorance... I've been playing RPG since Tunnels and Trolls when I was 6 years old. I'm a Christian.
Ok I get that these people are blaming d and d on stuff that wasn’t connected but saying thanks Christians is a little too harsh. Sure they were Christian but not every Christian is like that you know.
"...society tells us we are nothing..."
Hey why the kids going depressed and some killing themselves?
Society: "It's the D&D!"
Patzerii the law has said I’m nothing. As such, I’ve taken up Christianity and D&D to keep myself alive. There hasn’t been much comfort for me, as nobody knew how to comfort me when I lost my mother. Fantasy provides what I need.
Society told him he was nothing because he was a minority.
@SATANIC DUCKS thats a funny joke!
Society wasn't telling us we were worthless back in the '70s
Ryder Steel Gamers rise up. Gamer unity between video gamers and tabletop gamers
"There's good and evil in the world. With the way that the game is set up, good triumphs over evil."
*hides rogue character sheet*
"only Good Tier characters are approved by JEESSUSS"
“Yea... good.”
*Hiding Several Warlock Character Sheets, three of which are great old ones and turned villainous before death.*
*Tries to cover up list of Tiefling characters*
I AM CYRUS, PALADIN OF JEEEEEEESUS!!!
Good triumphs over evil? Pffftt, tell that to my Nazi Bruja in Vampire: The Masquerade.
Remember that the same people who go after games and such are the same people who burn books and ban art, music and films. They are the real scary ones.
And now they are the regressive left vice the religious right. What a world.
lunhil12 SJWs
Disemvowel: the differs is the Far Left calls for boycott, not ban, if you disagree with them you can still get access to the material, the far left is more interested in you thinking about what the media you consume is say than say do even look at it.
Fred Garvin
"Commie trump"
"Facist"
Google the term "communist", "facist" and "republican" mean
Joseph Ang Christians peaceful? Sure
80's parents: literally break into their kid's rooms to steal and burn their D&D stuff
The parents 20 years later: "Why don't my kids ever call me? I feel so betrayed."
The problem with boomers is that everything they do is a revolution, including raising kids.
And their kiss tapes.
"D&D encourages Satanic worship."
*meanwhile*
Me: I check to see what liquid is in the flask.
*rolls a crit miss*
Me: I say "This is a flask of liquid."
Our Dm: There is a large white monster, with many teeth. It snarles at you.
Me: What do I roll to pet it??
@@ConfettiCasket Animal Handling, of course :P
@@StupidButCunning 12...plus 4...16! Can I pet the monster?! 👀
“That panic has been largely debunked”
Oh, you mean it really was just a board game and not literal magic? How bout that
I say again that the only "occult" thing I saw in a game of D&D was that each player came in with shopping-bags with 7 or 8 2-liter bottles of soda-pop, and at the end of the evening they were ALL drained.
We can't explain it.
We DON'T talk about it...
A similar thing happened to our group, but it involved 7 boxes of pepperoni/cheese pizza.
I dunno, there is still always that weird time-dilation effect at my table where 4 hours pass in the span of what feels like twenty minutes.
Seems pretty magical to me.
D & D isnt a board game,
ACTUALLY ITS A TABLE TOP RPG get it roghr
How can people who read books and watch movies suddenly not understand the concept of fiction when it comes to game-playing?? People don't ask, "how can you watch that disgusting film The Godfather?? Advocating murder and organized crime?!"
When books first became available in Europe through mass printing (in the 16th century or so), reactionary traditionalists of the time complained about kids filling their heads with ideas and staying indoors when they should be out meeting people and getting exercise - it wasn't the same level of panic, but it was a notable one of the long history of complaints about "kids today!"
I suspect that the people who were panicking were not exactly 'readers', or what they did read they took very literally.
conservatives have ALWAYS considered education "evil" because once people become educated they realize conservative ideology is rooted in the suppression of free-thought and individualism. Nothing is more scary to a conservative than free thought and individuality. Especially today.
@@jameswelsh5432 absolutely nobody:
Guy who always brings politics up: "ya know conservatives hurdadur"
@@CaveDDECanem you sound triggered but go off sis
Basically elderly people hate whatever young people are doing and will never stop. First it was watching TV, then it was D&D, now it's videogames
Don't forget rock n roll.
And jazz and rap/hip hop,and don't forget they get nad at those things but mafia movies are scene as classics
It was TV, then books, then bands like KISS, then video games.
the game did the opposite. I was a suicidal teen but discovering the game gave me something to look forward to and helped with my depression.
Just checking up. You doing good?
Hehe dnd cast “hand of healing” on your soul
side note i lost the game because of this comment
@@hastur2493 yeah I still get depressed from time to time but I'm not as bad as I was mainly because I was one of the ones that attempted suicide while being on Prozac. Now that I'm off that stuff I'm not so suicidal. But the games do help with the depression quite a bit. Mainly because it lets me forget about my problems for a little bit...... And it's healthier than drugs LOL.
@@lesterforney6200 cheaper too!
Before churches said DnD was satanic, now my church has a DnD club/group.
Darn I wish I had a church like yours.
I’ve been thinking about running a modified version of D&D for the kids at my church.
No joke, my former church condemned Lord of the Rings, until people started claiming Aragorn was Jesus.
It's amusing how quickly the Church backpedals in the face of public opposition.
my church is semi thinking about it
Same
"Bob, it's jut a game."
"But Jim, they are doing MATH! MATH I tell you!"
"Oh no! My son is on drugs! Curse you METH! Curse you!"
Back in the old days mathematics was viewed as magic, no really, people were so ignorant that they thought mathematics was sorcery.
TecnicStudios this is a joke right? Right?! How can someone view mathematics as SORCERY of all things, sure it would be a lot less if they said that is was brain melting but SORCERY just how?
@@haggisllama2630 its true, people were so uneducated they thought math was sorcery.
Does that mean that traders were basically "Math Wizards" back in those days? That sounds like a neat title.
JUT
What causes all those problems ?
No one:
1974: Dungeons & Dragons
2019: Video Games
actually video games has had that problem for about 40 years now
We in *2 0 2 0*
@Emperor Pepe Flavius Memus yeah
Ocean Wolf it’s never my bad parenting and I’m certainly not buying my child graphic video games but of course it’s always the video games fault!😂
Videogames got blamed long before that.
I really dug d&d in the early 1980s. My mom was worried I was getting into worshipping the devil, so she took me to see a shrink. The shrink asked me "what's your character's alignment?"
I responded that I played a chaotic-good gnome illusionist with a chicken as a familiar (my DM allowed it)
That's all it took. He sent me on my way with a clean bill of moral health :)
Awww...chicken as familiar. This is so cool!
I recently got incarcerated and determined unable to aid amd assist and a whole mass of various diagnoses from psychosis because I'm Hindu and some of us smoke cannabis.
A chicken as a familiar..🤣🤣🤣 Joke aside, don't f^
Chicken as familiar is OP in Pathfinder 1e. Hehehe.
It baffles me why people didn't put two and two together back in the day. D&D was an escape for the kids who played, who tended to be outcasts and socially awkward, which led to rifts with the rest of their peers. It wasn't the escape that caused them to commit suicide, it was what led them to need an escape. Is it really that hard to figure out?!
SalmonAndSoup You see, that requires thought
Mind of the time: But no all boys and girls love to socialize! It’s “healthy” in every way shape and form.
Kinda funny how seemingly a decent majority of a population can forget how the were treated as kids. Either that or they all were somehow different mentally.
Many people are dumb, brainwashed or willingly ignorant. And that doesn't necessarily change just because they have a child. The worst consequence is that the child becomes the parent.
It's just sad and frustrating. I have to sneak around playing D&D with one of my best friends because her parents would sever all contact between the two of us if they found out. I'd never see her again; she lives all the way in Washington State.
SalmonAndSoup
Just write up a modification where the heros are Jesus and his disciples. The enemies would be The Roman Occupation, The Jewish Sanhedrin... and Satan of course.
Luke could be the designated healer (he was stated to be a physician of some sort [I roll my eyes as hard as I can]).
I jest. I'm sorry about your situation. Be patient. You will likely outlive her parents. I know it would be tempting to do something rash but wisdom truly is the better part of valor - dnd taught me exactly what that really means. Don't confront a pack of kobolds on your own with a mundane dagger 😂/😐
The killers and the victim wore clothes!
Coincidence????
*I think not.*
I'm on to you clothing-people.
But wait... I'm wearing clothing right now... Oh no! I'm a murderer!
Dungeons And Dragons is evil. And connected to the crime and corruption of the innocent youth. But not because it's about demons and magic. Because it involves reading. Books are evil. Think about it. Timothy McVeigh, Osama Bin Laden, Dylan Roof, the DC sniper... They all read. Mostly books. I contend that reading is poison for the mind. I can go on naming more killers who read. It's not a coincidence and we need to look into this epidemic that is killing our children.
Did you know every murderer, small scale and large, has consumed a chemical called dihydrogen monoxide? It's crazy how the news media doesn't mention this, we're not even taught it in school!
Oh my god... ME TOO! EVERYONE GET NAKED BEFORE THE CLOTHES MAKES US MURDER!!!
When I read this aloud I did jazz hands
"Storytelling is the devil!"
"But mama I wanna play foosball!"
"FOOSBALL IS THE DEVIL!"
roll for initiative
This reminds me of the Harry Potter book burnings of the early 2000s 🔥
Emily ouch
Don’t
Get
Me
Started
Isa Pizza Because it involves casting spells.
Miss Moxie Excise me but what the freak happened?
It was clearly fantasy the spells wouldnt work anyways lets be real.
Playing as a cleric or paladin in dnd, the characters focused on helping and healing, in a world all about imagination.
80s parents: Reeee
Bruh Funny lol but your a cleric for a foreign "god" and theirs only one "god"
Well you can have a evil paladin or cleric
No respect For paladins..
Smh
"But it's a god that isn't our god, so it MUST be evil" even if the god the Cleric or Paladin worship are gods that base their entire existence on helping those that can't help themselves or destroying a truly evil threat
@@scarletjester7831 Not a DnD expert but I'm pretty sure you can also customize the story and world, so the god the clerics work for could very well be the christian God.
My brother committed suicide at age 32, and I would go as far to say that D&D was part of what kept him hanging on for so long.
Still too young to die. I hope he was able to enjoy what campaigns he played, to laugh, to quest. I hope he had fun.
I don’t see dnd as a game, I see it as a strong cultural bond, it is a fun experience that lets one portray someone awesome..I’m sorry for the lost of your brother, keep going strong dude
Or the part that caused it
But the real question is.
Who's gonna DM?
MagicMaster _ I’m down
DMs are always anger at me and for some reason I am always the one who is targeted by monsters :(
@@smokeybrown8752 :(
Nah the real question is what day is everyone gonna be available?
Me every time
Conservatives: "Cancel Culture is ruining entertainment."
Also Conservatives: *invents Cancel Culture*
@Sheldon Cooper Okay, but Conservatives still tried to cancel a board game while you're complaining about monuments to war criminals, traitors, and genocide starters getting defaced. But, you're right. Censorship is wrong unless it's something I don't like.
@Sheldon Cooper Muh Confederacy 😞
@Sheldon Cooper I just want to point out that dnd has lasted for almost 10x the amount of time as the CSA
Indeed. Although the cancel culture torch is now in the firm grasp of the radical Left - who are just as demented.
And now the pendulum has swung and the cultural left are what is strangling entertainment. It was the right-wing from the 40s till the early 90s, but from 2010 till now the left is setting dumb moral boundaries on entertainment.
I remember my sixth-grade principal banning D&D and threatening me with expulsion because he was afraid that I "wanted to grow up and be a devil-worshipping mutant ninja wombat". That was the first time that I realized that I was already smarter than some adults, and that authority was not necessarily linked to responsibility or merit. I am delighted to realize that all these years later, my people won the culture war. We make your movies, we write your books, and we treat your illnesses.
You missed the whole part about rolling three six sided die (six times) for character attributes, yeah?
666, genius.
Sound Gardener actually you roll 4 then drop the lowest number
666 stands for nero
Hmm. Thats a good character.
So did you grow up to be a devil worshipping mutant ninja wombat? Because I sincerely hope you did. Sounds rad.
I testify that the only "occult" thing I ever saw in a D&D game was these guys come into the traditional starkly lit basement with 7 or 8 2-liter bottles of pop EACH, and at the end of the evening they were all drained. We can't explain it. We don't talk about it...
Don't forget the Doritos
Don’t forget the popcorn!
The toilet splattering must have been... epic.
in know right. people like this "investigator" and the news take things way too far. its a game. just like some say lyrics in heavy metal is satanic. its music sigh
Don't forget the pot lol
I still remember my parents asking me if D&D was my new religion... It took me about half an hour to explain what it was. From that point on my parents didn't worry.
Me: *Sitting in the backrooms playing D&D with the boys, trying to break down a magical door that's been taking up the entire campaign*
CosmicToonz Studio's Fireball
And then, after 3 hours, the DM yells "It's not magical! It's just a door!! You just need to open it!!!!!"
I got some dynamite a handful of grenades and a keg of gunpowder. LETS BLOW IT UP!
Ironically the Satanic Panic may have HELPED Dungeons and Dragons popularity rather than HURT it.
Think about it, what do kids love to do more than anything?
Things that are "dangerous", "taboo" or "forbidden"
And with D&D being all over the news and media, I'm sure ALOT more people became aware of the game than had the media not gone nuts about it.
lol right?? Gary Gygax popped a bottle of Dom and celebrated the night this "investigative report" hit the airwaves. woohoo, here comes millions more pre-teens and teenagers who can't WAIT to rebel :D
You're actually right. Have you ever read Of Dice And Men? It goes into detail about how, during the Satanic Panic, dnd sold at record levels. People all over the world were buying it, to the point where you could make a killing just by copying the rules into handbooks and selling them in the playground for 50c each. I'm sure you can guess how I know that.
Hail Satan? oh.
There's a name for the effect. When the more one tries to ban something the more people looking in will seek it out to find out what all the talk is about
Exactly. When adults and preachers told us that heavy metal music could summon demons, we said "AWESOME!" and ran straight out to buy it.
It's a cycle, parents don't understand what their kids are doing and they don't TRY to understand so they go crazy and only see the negatives. This is the reason why I'm very thankful to my parents for being open-minded and letting me experience things for my own, to make mistakes and learn on my own.
When my brother brought the set home in 1980, our parents played it with us. They only played one game, because it wasn't their kind of thing, but having seen how it worked, they thought it was a great idea for us to go on playing it.
Kousuke-shii same here
this was the beginning of ViDeO gAmEs CaUsE vIoLeNt!!
Back in the 19th century, it was "Goethe's poetry causes teenage suicide!" ... it's not new.
The new things are always THE CAUSE OF ALL EVIL to the old generation.
All of these allegations are true, were true and will be true
NOBODY ELSE LIKE FUNNY NUMBER MUST STAY
I started playing D&D in 1983 when I was 13. My parents saw the news stories & were concerned, so they sat me down to talk about it.
I began to describe how "Dungeons & Dragons" was played. I explained how you chose a character class then rolled a 6-sided die 3 times & added up the rolls to create the stats for the character in order and how those stats determined how good your character would be at performing certain actions and how we had all these charts to reference for what number you needed to roll on a die to determine if the action was successful. They looked a little confused after a while.
I think I had gotten as far as telling them about rolling initiative for encounters when my mother finally said. "This isn't satanic. This is homework. You're doing homework for fun?"
And so I was allowed to continue playing D&D. My parents were also able to assure other parents there was nothing evil about it.
Of course, a few years later, affordable home computers started coming out and nobody wanted to get together on Friday & Saturday night to roll dice anymore. Why would they when you could boot up "Telengard" or "Phantasie" on the old Commodore 64?
I'm glad to see tabletop RPG games making a comeback.
never heard of those C64 games I'll have to check them out, but I played AD&D from 92-95 and video games concurrently
I think people who demonize DnD have never met a DnD player. They are lovable goofballs.
The idea of playing D&D in some tunnels is absurd. It's like someone getting mugged in a dark alley and people blaming Monopoly because he was supposedly checking out a property for his game. That's not how the games are played at all.
Google 'LARP', genius.
I would actually like to gather in dry tunnels, if I could....
Yeah, D&D being played while lurking in the shadows is ridiculous, but imagine the potential for cursed images
@@soundgardener4940 Except LARP isn't D&D, genius.
Just failed my click bait saving throw
Haha!
+Peter Trier You know simply writing on a topic that interests you isn't clickbait.
That's like saying writing a good song is listener bait, or cooking a delicious meal is food bait.
It's only when the article fails to deliver or goes off of a tangent that it's "bait", otherwise it was just "clickworthy".
Low Wisdom...
"This isn't a healthy game. Let's replay the great American Genocide of the native population instead! Much better."
Ah, yes, let us murder the rest of the Apaches, for fun.
Actually apaches committed genocide- they just don’t teach you this in schools.
Lol, why historical roleplaying is honestly more horrifying than Fantasy
@@MrMfloor Almost every group has, not just Apaches.
"leaving the world of reality into the world of fantasy"
like reading a book or watching a movie... good thing those can't have violence in them
Society if Garu Gygax never invented violence
Or religion. The irony of it all.
I lived in Central America for a few years about 10 years ago. I tried to start up a D&D group, and I was expressly told by the church I went to that I couldn't play that game. (I was a missionary at their school.) It was absolutely ridiculous. If I had played the game but not told people the name, there wouldn't have been an issue. Classic example of how ignorance and fear drives some people's decisions.
My mom also is of the belief that D&D is the gateway to satanism, so we're playing Pathfinder now and she thinks it's the coolest thing us kids have done in a while. We're just avoiding letting her know it's the exact same as D&D. Haha XD
Yes my grandpa thinks it’s the devils work if I ever play dnd so instead whenever my friends come over I just say where playing board games ignorance is bliss
the DM Lair are you still religious? i wanna ask you something... :)
@@117rememberreach I am.
god doesnt exist anyway
Wow, math, strategy and THINKING. Definitely anti-god.
No. Anti socialism. Why do you think they attacked it so hard in recent years to try and use it as a tool? They knew the hardest opposition would come from critical thinkers.
DragonEye so basically same thing lel
@@bobbyhill1110 Yeah religion expressly teaches you to obey a singular leader figure without question. It's pretty much proto-socialism. This country needs war-masters. They usually stop this kind of behavior from happening.
@When you bust a nut but she keeps on sucking That name and pic are priceless. But no. Watching Crowder can't make me a right wing nut, because I also watch people like The Amazing Atheist. If you want to succeed in life, keep your enemies close. All of them.
@@dragoneye6229 Pro Socalism? You're a loon. Come play my right wing death squad campaign against the oppressive SJW elves. It's whatever people want it to be....
1979: *D&D Causes Violence*
2019: *Video Games Cause Violence*
2059: *Smiling Causes Violence*
2069: 69’ing causes violence
I bet you next time it's going to be thinking causes violence
Existing causes violence
9:30 "satisfying arguments with profoundly ignorant grownups" - Love that line
Its been scientifically proven that games can actually help kids with violent tendancies by giving them an outlet. My therapist actually encourages me to play d&d. Also my pastor gave me my first dice set.
Aldor The Great
Let me guess he was a Baptist pastor?
I read a lengthy article once, about a dude in prison who got a group together and taught them to play D&D. There was a time when they started when the players were uncoordinated and argued a lot, since they weren't used to depending on others, but after a few sessions, they started working together, and having a lot of fun. It really is a fantastic outlet for a lot of things.
@@doctor-aesthetic So... Dragons In Dungeons? XD
Pastor: It's too dangerous to go alone, here take this.
*YOU HAVE RECEIVED A BAG OF DICE*
Lucky. My pastor helped me burn my books and dice. :(
D&D is the best thing that can happen to a kid
tru dat
Not any more. Now its all about Pathfinder. The people who bought D&D ruined it.
I actually think D&D 5e is pretty decent for new players, whereas Pathfinder is more complex in its entirety, Pathfinder is basically using D&D 3.5 system while 5e is a more simplified version. I tend to go for 5e for its simplicity since I have friends that like to play but don't want something as complicated as pathfinder, not dissing the later obviously, Pathfinder is a great game itself too.
5the is better than pathfinder ---not as convoluted,and gives pwr back to the dm where it belongs
Alundrin That is why I introduced it to my neighbor..YEAH!
"A guy kills himself" + "That guy usually drinks clean water" = OH MY GOD! CLEAN WATER KILLS PEOPLE !
Facts
If people can imagine dragons, they can imagine a world where you aren't the boss of them.
D&D got me through the pressures of High school and glue my core group of friends together for over 20 years. We still play and still love the game.
Shady Bitz
I hear you. My 2 daughters who play have the same experience.
Same here, it saved a friendship for me and I played with my old high school group just the other night
Shady Bitz Instead of using DD to get you through high school, you should of call upon Jesus rather than a game... if a game is more important than Jesus or can do more things for you then you have some answering to do on judgement day friend. Be careful of who you call upon!
You know god helps people in mysterious ways. Maybe this guy needed to make friends and the game was a vehicle to allow that. If I were you I would avoid being so self righteous and telling people how to live their lives. Its a GAME.....entertainment. Not worship. Just like my grandmother, standing around poinring fingers at who is going to heaven and who isn't. Point the finger at yourself and try to be a better person. You are soooo sure you are doing everything right. Examin your own flaws sir.
Tony Tran Calling upon jesus? Why?
Parents think kids will take the game too far but then they took it too far themselves. Remember when people thought Pokémon would make kids get into dog fighting? Remember when people thought Harry Potter???
Yes, we all remember when people thought Harry Potter.
Remember when you accidentally the whole thing?
“This isn’t a healthy game!”
The most popular D&D shows on the internet:
“Bad things happen to good people because things happen and it’s up to people to determine what is good”
“There’s not a lot to be gained in holding grudges.”
“Learn from your mistakes. Make better and better mistakes until you’re making the best mistakes possible.”
“But, as with all forms of freedom, your mileage may vary.”
And my personal favorite
“Toxic masculinity is dead! I dance now!”
I'm 38 years old and creating my first character. I feel as I Was shut out by my parents. They would not let me hang out with kids that played RPG. I'm so excited to play my first game!
Enjoy it. I played years ago when the 2nd edition had just come out. We had a good time and there wasnt anything evil or malevolent about it
I don't know why people were worried about the occult. Those evil mages and demons and witches and whatnot are the ENEMY... I mean, I've run a few games where the players wanted to make a deal with a demon... I used it as a teachable moment actually. Do not make deals with the devil, he has better lawyers than you do.
If the devil wants to dance with you, you better say never... Because a dance with the devil might last you forever.
Generation Fallout
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? Because in my games, that's definitely advised against ;)
*****
That's nice.
It is true. For children it is important that they know what is good and what is evil. I personally like to play as any type or character. I was once in a D&D session where the whole party was evil. It's fun to play a bad guy sometimes, but it's just a fun game. It can also help teach people that there are not only good and evil characters. That there are more to evil characters than that they are evil.
Felixdomestica Zevi
I always cast at least one Lawful Evil NPC for the player party who would never betray his business partners, just to drive that very point home.
As someone who plays Dungeons and Dragons I can assure you that the game has absolutely no connection with the occult. In a nut shell, you create a fantasy character that goes on some sort of adventure like Bilbo does.
D. Freeman Why Would You Write That!
to be far lord of the rings got similr treatment
D. Freeman I already knew
D. Freeman so what you're telling us is the only redeeming thing about d&d isn't even true? oh man! I'll get my fill of bloody boobies somewhere else then... come on kids lets go
as a D&D player I can you does have a connection to the occult as it introduces people to the myths ... as myths
My own testimony about D&D is that Role Playing Games '(and mostly D&D) are probably one of the main factors I DIDN'T commit suicide... Let's face it, I've always had trouble socializing, never really grasped the codes, or saw the point in many things my fellow schoolchildren took for granted. As I entered my teens, loneliness was both acute and chronic. When I discovered D&D, I found a terrain where I could interact with others and make friends. Most of my social life has been RPG based ever since. Given how happy my life has been, I fairly guess that without this hobby, I might very well have succumbed to despair, I've been too close to it too many times even with it.
@Bread And Circuses If you think the key to salvation is in the bible or qur'an, I feel similarly toward you. Peace, and let each find what suits him.
" The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is the fear of the unknown. "
~H.P Lovecraft~
'It was a game played in the imagination, till some took it too far....' and LARPing was born!
You usually destroy the evil not join them.
Hahahaha they didn't even knew or played the game and they judged it
charlie awsome Chaotic Neutral, bitches
Bro the think it is evil becase of the demons and devils but the did not know you DESTOY them.
charlie awsome more like summon them
Joe Gillett It's time to dudu du DUEL!
Evangelicals: Say that D&D is satanic and evil
Me: Thinks back to the time I had a party destroy manifestations of the seven deadly sins
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Grieving parent: dnd was part of the reason my son committed suicide
Me someone who battles with suicidal thoughts and plays dnd often: the social ness of dnd helps me to feel wanted and cared about and helps me face those thoughts and try to battle them
Loners and outsiders are going to have underlying depression and suicidal thoughts.
And those loner kids are going to want to reach out to other people in rpg's. It's incalculable just how many kids D&D and other RPG games saved. Giving them the skills and space to communicate, to build interpersonal social skills.
Dreadnaught1985 IKR!!!! I prefer the D&D route over the Evangelion route (hardcore) to help build up their self-esteem; and existentialistic crisis, anxiety, & depression.
“The most effective introduction to the occult”
Uh that’s not D&d that’s mainstream religion
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me"
Wait....you mean there ARE other gods?? And you just wanna be number one?
Does that mean you aren't, because you have to demand it?
A side note, monotheistic religions don't discourage any magic aside from divination. Necromancy even makes an army for one of the prophets, so Jehovah straight up empowers an army of dead to rise up.
That would be Catholicism...
@@DerJagerlord Exactly. Most Christians don't even realise they are polytheistic.
@@americancitizen748 Time to invent a Xian Tabletop Game lol :) (I'm assuming its been done already...)
Sorcery is one of the things written in revelation about who is not welcome in His Kingdom... Occults used sorcery... Religions don't..... But you'll keep believing things without research I bet... Good luck.
I have been playing D&D since I was 12, I am now in my early 40's. My entire family, including my THREE children, (ages: 12,13, & 21) play every weekend. They have been playing since they were 8 years old. We play because we love it. I taught my children to play because it teaches them strategy, morality, critical thinking, imaginative thinking, inclusion, empathy, and social skills (particularly when dealing with NPCs, but also with each other.) My children love the game, enjoy the camaraderie between us all and never, NEVER, miss a game. As someone who has been DMing for 25 years, I can honestly say that D&D is my most favorite game.
A tale as old as time. Neglectful parents blame books, games, music for their children's problems.
Simply put: People fear what they don't understand. And when people fear what they don't understand, they don't want to understand it. So ignorance breeds in the closed minds.
Most adults are commonly subject to this because their life experience and accustomization to reality destroys a majority of their curiosity to new possibilities and ideas.
Trust me I know that better than any kid who grew up in the 1980s and teenager of the 1990s. I remember learning D&D in high school and it was an excuse to get out of doing a dance and going out on dates. It was also how I learned to be a writer. For a special ed kid who struggled academically D&D saved me
This is so nuts.... My bishop has been playing D&D with the same group since 1980 lol
Wow that's incredible
@@pineapplesqueeze7547 the Amen
@@_bentaylor_7137 I see you're a man of culture as well
Religious people have no problem cherry-picking their beliefs and judgements. That's how they explain away the horrors and contradictions of the bible.
That's because conspiracy theorists are the ones behind this nonsense.
I remember my child playing computer games being totally shocked that I knew what hit points were....
The other day I was walking down the street and a group of kids mugged me , I just so happy to see kids outside playing again ! I didn't even report it ! Was amazing ! I couldn't believe it !
I blame the dice. My dice are evil. They've lost me many a outing.....Always blame the dice.
Brian Guarnieri first they kill your character, next they kill you
Yes "THEY" do. They are devious that way.
i stepped on one once and fell almost hit my head on a table that could have slayed me
Critical failure of evil!
When they are too cursed, do you change dice? I have a lot of dices to be able to do it.
The last time I check JRR tolkien, the 'father' of high fantasy, was a devoted christian.
So was C.S Lewis, the writer of The Chronicles of Narnia.
Oh yeah. Amateur storyteller here, also do a little DND myself. Gotta shout out to my main man Tolkien.
JEEESSSSUUUUSSS
@@spiritninja5757 Fine he can play too, just make sure he gets his own player's guide Mike still has mine.
He was jewish
Meanwhile in my basement:
Me: I USE THE GNOME AS A PROJECTILE WEAPON!
DM: Excuse me what.
Me: Did. I. Stutter?
10/10 best comment 😆😂
Gnome: *Puts on helmet* LETS DO THIS!!!!!!
DM: You........pick-up.....?
you: nods
DM: ......the gnome? (looks at you again for assurance)
you: continues nodding
Bruh I literally picked up my dwarf necromancer friend and through him at a red dragon. We both died.
The most effective introduction of the occult? No...pretty sure that is Chrstianity.
To the religious people that were doing a witch hunt against D&D because of the violence, I would like to hand them a history book about the Crusades.
you have a good point
@@borderlands10 DEUS VOLT
koohikoo You do know why the crusades happened right?
@@timcollins9287 because two pieces of poorly written horror fiction told two.opposing groups of narcissists that the same piece of dirt was the most important piece of dirt in the entire universe, so they decided to spend centuries killing each other for it?
It was rocknroll, and then DND. Now it is video game. People just want to avoid their responsibilities to teach their child.
Thank you!!! Exactly what I was thinking$
Amen. People just want to pin the problem on something else rather than question their parenting.
I first started playing D&D in 1981. A few months after this the Satanic Panic hit. People were burning D&D books at various church sponsered events throughout the country. Things really got out of hand to the point where we would hide our books and dice from the public. It was a weird experience in those days.
As a Pagan, this is ridiculous
11:14 Fun Fact: You accidentally featured another D&D player.. Anderson Cooper played for years in his youth and teenage years.. See the Interview with fellow D&D player Stephen Colbert..
I could make a list with dozens of A-List VIP's who played it :)
I heard about this kid called WIll Byers who used to play D&D alot, he also mysteriously disappeared. O.O
My man
This made my day
I don't mean to sound judgemental but the "Religious Fanatics" need to stay out of what people want to do with their lives.
Lol. I don't want to be judgmental, but these religious people need to be less judgmental!
That's a tall order, Religious Fanatics want control, and anything that doesn't add up to the religion itself must be satanic.
@@azazel166 seems like the entire world does that. If you disagree with a feminist, you're a mysoginist, against a political idea, you're a nazi. Done something the church don't see as perfect for god, you're a satan worshipper. It's f*cking ridiculous
@@avengethegame2724 That's a people issue. People are generally awful to each other. Get a cat. Life is so much more pleasant.
@@Perfidion yeah, but I want a raccon
Some hardcore religious people still think this way too by the way e.g. my grandparents who pulled up the most unrealistic, false article about how dnd was satanic and the writer of this article was formerly a witch and actually met the writers of the game to make sure the “rituals” were legit
I started playing in 1980, been playing ever since. Just began a new campaign last Saturday.
Same here. Although I have switched systems often over the decades and now solely using the GURPS system; which is so much worse as you have to give your characters disadvantages and possibly negative traits like bloodlust, selfishness or pride! Imagine if D&D had that in those days...
@@odojang We're doing the Salt Marsh campaign. Seven OG D&Der's. None of us have played since third edition.
@@2112Nightshift I love this campaign; mystery and puzzles to resolve, some underlying social problems, several different cultures and races living logically in the same area, conflicts with a rationale yet still good fighting action, varied and challenging settings, a good cast of NPCs, openings for side quests... and all geared at the beginning adventurer.
Have fun with this one! We sure did.
@@odojang Cool, thanks man.
odojang I think both systems are good.
I remember back when I started playing this at the end of the 70's and one day my parents came across this topic of "D&D being dangerous for teens". They asked me "So, do you think we have anything to be concerned about?" ... I laughed and said "Hang on, let me consult the Dungeon Master's Guide" .... I flipped thru a few pages and then "Nope. It says right here 'Your parent's have nothing to be concerned about' ". LOL . They laughed too :D
Ah the 70's...when rational people populated the land. There was nothing in a car to hook a car seat to and kids jumped off home made wood bike ramps with no shoes or helmets. You are lucky. Your parents sound open and trusting. Our parents in the late 80's were very unhappy about our D&D habits. Which was just hang out late on weekends getting in no trouble drinking soda pop and eating nachos while crawling through dungeons. Never did see a demonic satan monster in real life.
it all can be summed up as a culture clash between generations.
Note, that all the people who think that D&D was evil and satanic...........never played the game before. All the information they get about the game is hearsay from other people who have never played it.
Video games? They faced the same type of generation gap culture class years later. The only ones who think video games are evil and dangerous, are people who've never played them.
Years before D&D, comic books too, were considered evil and dangerous......guess by who? The people who never read them.
Rock and Rap music? Considered dangerous again..........by people who never listen to it.
Everytime there is a tragedy like this or Columbine, Sandy Hook, the media always tries to find a scapegoat, and they always blame what they don't understand. The last thing they look at is usually the most important facts, how the kids were raised, mental issues, parental care or lack thereof.
My Tiefling warlock: well guess I’d better be going!
3:48 "You're leaving the world of reality, into the world of fantasy. It advocated murder, decapitation... And I'm like this isn't healthy."
You just described some mainstream religions.
That P.I. was literally playing D&D irl. He found a map of a "dungeon" and he went and explored it looking for a lost child
If i had, had DnD in middle school or early high school i probably would have been less stressed and happier.
Corrupted Archangel I'm in middle school and I want to play D AND but I have no friends that do
Kate
discord.gg/rGzDaMT
@@Kate-uj9rx Take on the role of Dungeon Master and invite some friends to play with you. If you give an accurate and concise enough description of it, they'll get hooked (unless they're a bunch of losers). That's what I did and after not long there were so many people wanting to play we had to split it up into multiple groups with all the DMs close friends of mine. BTW I'm still in high school.
D&D and Warhammer 40,000 helped me IMMENSELY with symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome - they helped me relax and get into a.mindset where I could work on my social mannerisms and learn to read cues better than anything else I'd ever done in my life.
I remember those days and still proudly display my AD&D 1E books on my shelves....