The BEST 3 Microphone Technique for Recording Drums - The Recorderman Technique | Drum Nerd Lab
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- čas přidán 18. 03. 2022
- As drummers, it's always a tough task to capture a great sound from your drums with only a couple of microphones. Here at INDe, we think using only 3 microphones is the BEST way to record and capture a great, realistic sound of your kit. Utilizing the Recorderman Technique, you can get the professional recording sound you've been looking for. Just follow the simple steps highlighted in this video!
Gear used in this video
Microphones: Matched pair of Shure KSM32's (overheads), AKG D112 MkII (bass drum)
Drum Set: INDe Maple WaFarer 12/15/20 - Matte Dark Rosewood w/Natural Maple Hoops
Snare Drum: INDe 6.5x14" TOP SECRET Snare Drum
Cymbals: Turkish 14" Millennium Hi-hats, Turkish 22" Millennium Ride
Heads: Aquarian Texture Coated over Aquarian Classic Clear (toms), Aquarian Texture Coated Power Dot over Aquarian Classic Snare Side (snare), Aquarian Force I Clear & Aquarian Force I Coated (bass)
Sticks: Vic Firth Modern Jazz 2 (MJC2)
Played/recorded by: Craig Buckner - Hudba
You would be amazed at the number of CZcams videos there are comparing mics and they don't even say or show the location of the mic. It's mind-boggling.
agree. they assume we intermediate people know it all
I followed your instructions and the drums sound awesome. The secret for me was adding a fouth mic on the snare, and just run the two top mics through an off board EQ. I use a D112 on kick with no front head and two MXL V67G's, along with a 57 on the snare. Thanks for the tip.
After watching hundreds of videos on phasing, I finally learned something. THANX!!
awesome video, super straightforward and simple. thanks!
Fantastic information! Thanks!
Very helpful!
Thanks for this! Really appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful!
Those Inde drums sound awesome. Great playing…
Great shit man
excellent thxs
I hope to have videos showcasing my INDe kit with this micing setup soon.
Nice Sounds and very simply...
wwwwwwwwowww I'm thinking of recording some drums for my beats and I don't have great equipment and this technique was great for me!! thank you!!! 🔥🔥
Couldn’t agree more. I think I’ve used every drum miking technique under the sun and Recorderman yields the most natural sound of a drum kit. ORTF is a close second for me. In my opinion, the typical close miking of individual drums just yields a totally un-natural sound with no sense of depth or realism. I’ve always thought that if that’s the sound one is after, just play an E-kit with processed sounds.
Either way. Great video, great drumming and a VERY nice sounding kit.
Thank you for mentioning that close miking doesn't produce an accurate sound! I see a lot of other drumming related channels/youtubers scoring an endorsement deal with Earthworks, claiming that Earthworks strives for "sonic transparency", and that they want to get the realist sound possible, and then proceed to close mic every drum, and eq and process the hell out of said drum sound. This is why I like you guys. You don't try to bullshit your customers with obscure marketing gimmicks to justify selling a product for an unnecessary fortune, *cough* DW/Pearl/Tama/Zildjian/Paiste/Earthworks/SJC/Sonor/etc *cough* (I don't intend to spread any negativity, I'm just saying why I appreciate INDe's existence).
Hello, and thanks for this tutorial! I've been looking for something like this for a while. you make it seem quite simple, and I'm sure it is! however, I see the kit used has only a hi hat and one cymbal, what happens if you have multiple cymbals? If they are closer to the top mic, will it pick up those more and drown out the other drums? Will I have to readjust, or reposition my cymbals? Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated! Thank you. Once again, great tutorial!
I'm finding that in a low ceiling basement, the glyn johns technique works good for overheads but I also close mic the snare, toms and kick for guitar heavy music.
Hello, I have 2 floor toms and I miss some low end on those. Can I use a close (r) mike on those two ?
Is there a phase issue or how to (eventually ) Thanks Sir.
Hi mate Ive got a zoom h4n. I figure if buy a kick drum mic and a pencil mic for the snare and use the zoom for the cymbals. would that work?
Cam you show me how to put 2 low diagram condenser 1 kick And 1 nt1?
GREAT stuff... New subscriber
Yessir! This minimal mic technique I call “the ears” way of recording. The drums sound gorgeous on your record- what sizes were you playing on the session? Are they Inde wood or aluminum? Great no nonsense video Craig.
Thanks! I actually recorded that album with my Ludwig Classic Maple Bop Kit (18x14, 12x8, 14x14) with a Great Lakes Drum Co. 16x16 brass floor tom (I didn't own an INDe kit at the time).The Recorderman technique is my absolute favorite way to record drums!
Does phase matter as much for live sound only? Also does this mic placement work well with a large 7 piece drum kit?
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The argument against close micing also applies to the recorderman technique: no one listens to drums with their ears 3 feet apart in those positions.
But actually, people "can" listen if they set their ears in the recorderman position. While the drummer can't even play if people put their heads/ears on the drums, their heads will be on the way hehe.
@@thatfilipinodrummer no one can split their ears to be 3 or 4 feet apart.
@@in.der.welt.sein. if we use strict analogy then putting your ears close to the drum is Mono, so to make yours accurate and compared to your answer to my example, you are going to put 2 mics/ears per drum?
Anyway the Recorderman is more natural.
@@thatfilipinodrummer recorderman sounds good, no doubt. I just don't think it's anymore "natural" than any other recording technique. The most "natural" position would be a spaced pair above the drummers head. The thing is: with recording "natural" doesn't always sound best and isn't always what's called for.
Places XY mics in front of the drummers face…… “Now we’re ready to party!”
do the two overhead mics need to be the same, or could I use a large diaphragm over the snare and a small diaphragm over the shoulder or vice versa? thx
if you have to, use thé largeur diaphragm on shoulder to get more bass and low mids from the toms especially floor tom
So u think this is better than the Glyn Johns method?
Anyone recommend slightly cheaper option for the overhead mic's? Thanks
AT2020's are great for $100 each!
Still waiting on that snare material reveal. Or have I missed it? Make a Mahogany version of that snare! I’ll pick one up 👍
Coming soon! Stay tuned!
Any phase adjustments on the D112(BD mic)?
Nope! No adjustments needed
@@IndependentDrumLab Right On!!...I am new to home recording, so will give this a run next week...Thanks!!
Okay, kick & snare IN PHASE. But how about the rest? Floor/Tom/cymbals - phase not important? And how about the drum fill in live situations?
phase less important as they aren't being hit as often as the snare and kick.
Glyn John's Technique?
Could I do this with two shure SM57 for overheads?
It's worth a try, but those aren't ideal. For an affordable Condenser style mic, I would recommend Audio Technica AT2020. They are only $100 new. That's what I am using on most of our recordings!
Thank you!
Can it be two different brands of condenser mics?
ever hear of Glyn Johns? recorderman ? ... unbelievable.
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difference with glyn jones's techique?
The thing about Glyn Johns that concerns me is that it can require you to alter your cymbal placement in order to accommodate the mic by the floor tom (I usually have a cymbal in that location, with GJ I'd have to move that cymbal and probably raise it and my ride higher, so they're not too close to the mic).
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It sounds great, and I appreciate the relative simplicity compared to close-micing. But not everything is meant to sound as natural as possible / natural isn't inherently better. How boring would it be if every album used the exact same recording and production techniques? There is an art to using production techniques to enhance an album in a way that is impossible to do live.
first of all i’m tired of overproduced metal drums on so many records and everyone having a different room would make this technique with the exact same gear still sound different
Every album DOES use the exact same recording and production technique these days! It’s just a wall of over compressed noise with sound replacement from the exact same three companies. How NOT boring would it be to hear real instruments played by actual living breathing human beings?
Why worry so much about phase for the snare drum and ignore phase for the cymbals? And the wavelength of sound from the bass drum is so long that measuring the distance to a millimeter is meaningless. The wavelength at 100Hz is about 11 feet.
Because you want kick + snare in the middle. As for the cymbals, it doesnt matter since you pan the signals
@@d4dou67 How do you know what I want? 🤔
Jeebus can you go on more about phase ? Hahaha
Every shitty recording I've ever heard- drums or otherwise- had phase issues. If an engineer isn't monitoring phase during tracking and mixing, they either need to have golden ears to hear a phase slip in instant, or they are going to make a crappy, non-translatable recording. Phase alignment is critical.
Phase, the absolute MOST important thing to know about recording, and this clown doesn’t want to hear about it. Moron. 🤡
i find it hard to believe you didn't eq these at all, regardless its a great sound on a well tuned instrument with a good player👍🏻
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