No-fail Drum Recording - Any Kit, Any Room, Any Genre
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I set out to develop a drum recording method that always works. You can adapt it for any size drum kit, any room, and any genre.
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Dude, your shit is criminally underviewed, I hope you blow up at some point, I love your emphasis on holistic listening, sonic texture, and overall vibe. For my own part, what I love about x/y is that it never actually sounds 'wide', the capsules are just too close for that. But what it lacks in "SUCH WIDE SO DRAMA" it makes up for in punch, focus, and total phase coherence. And it strikes a cool balance because it has a mono vibe, but with the depth and 'windowpane' effect of stereo.
Keep on keepin' on!
Wow, thanks for such a cool comment.
my two favorite audio channels, Mix Jesus and Locs-4-Drums, meet in this comment. My life is complete.
I also bought Ryan's drum course and it's worth way more than the $17.
I totally agree! I've learned a lot from this channel. No B.S. Keeps it fun but always thorough and exhaustive too! Great instructor! House of Kush also though too!! You guys really have made the last 7 years of my recording journey worth it because there really are a lot of distractions and misinformation but I have never been given the bum steer by either of you fellows and always feel energized and refreshed with the knowledge that you share. Inspired!
I record the choir. XY approach is the same. I never was happy enough while using AB... Only XY gives me feeling I'm making a kind of photo of the choir. All the image in one shoot.
This is without a doubt, one of the best videos I've ever watched about recording drums.
Thanks so much!
Got my thumbs up and sub from this vid. Always loved a 3 mic set up as it sounds more natural. Never was happy with my current set up as the floor tom was always too thin sounding, now I know what to try, thank you!
@@GrooveIsNow where/what is the third mic?
Dude, videos like this should have a nobel prize or something... You only need a bassdrum mic and i bet you get a full drum stem. Thank you from the bottom of my gear.
That's recording engineering.
Thanks! I worked hard on this one!
Been following you for a while now, I love how you've improved the quality and content of your videos! It's great to see a recording artist fully commited to sharing his knowledge.
THANK YOU for taking the time and effort to explain AND demonstrate exactly what you're talking about. this is a great channel for that reason. keep it up my man :) :)
This has become my go-to overhead setup after much trial and error. No phase issues whatsoever and you always get a really strong center image, which makes the drums sound more natural than really wide panning. I had never thought to try moving closer to the floor tom and rotating the XY setup to get better tom balance. I always learn something new in your videos!
Thanks John. You can use all three or just one of the methods to get the sound.
That was fantastic. You have such a great way of explaining things man 🙏
Have been watching your videos and using many of your tips for the past 2 years! And they get better and better! Thanks for sharing your knowledge 🙂🙂
Great information Ryan! I find especially that the graphics are really helping me to understand the concepts and to clarify them. Saving a lot of headaches when learning how mic a drum set and to get a good basic sound. Sounds excellent to say the least! Hard to believe that there were no additional mics on either the snare or bass drum in the recording. It really shows, at least to me, how important mic placements are.
I know I’m two years behind here, and I hadn’t seen one of your videos in a while but all of that - the stereo bar, the graphics on picturing how it splits the stereo image while keeping the snare centered…just the best drum recording video I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen a lot! Going to see if your drum recording courses are still available because you deserve it.
Dude! I just stumbled upon this technique a couple of weeks ago, trying to get the most of a xy setup. Now it's becoming my go-to OH mic technique!
As a long time viewer, great video!!
I really can't get enough of your videos. SO INTERESTING!
Thanks so much! What should I make a video about next?
Wow this is incredible advice, great video as always Ryan
I'm a little late to the channel. This channel is a gold mine of incredible and helpful information. Really helps open up several different perceptions for what can be done. Great content, bro.
This is great! Such a useful reference to revisit as needed.
I've watched a lot of drum recording videos....I'm fairly new at recording drums....and this helped me with overheads like no other video that I've seen! Thanks for providing such great content!
Fantastic. You make the seeming tedium of recording so much more interesting and purposeful. You make the simplest of concepts really CLICK with great audio examples and sharp editing to your videos. Love it!
Thanks! I work hard at it.
Ryan, thank you for what you do.
I've been recording vocals and midrange instruments a lot over the past few years, but it'll be my first time recording drums on location this weekend. This video has been massively helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for the inspiration. I did this with a pair of sm57 unidyne 3. Sounds so killer on some stoner metal drum tracks. I put a d112 on the batter side by the beater. It really helped to round out the sound by picking up some under snare and lots of attack from the kick drum.
When I do expand my drum mics (currently one mono) I will be getting a stereo bar and boom stand and will probably have no choice anyways but to place it in one of these configurations. Very reassuring, wonderful video as always!
It never ceases to amaze me what can be done with 1 or 2 mics, a well-tuned kit, and some judicious processing. Great ideas here.
Thanks Philip and glad you liked the video!
Great natural sounding kit
wow thanks so much for this - gonna try it tonight, really excited!
Brilliant organic tone ... probably all they used at Motown...sounds great
Your drum kit sounds amazing from every angle
I fight with people all the time over this. You can get excellent drums with an overhead pair, kik mic and a room mic. Great job!
Such a great video man! Thanks very much, love your work!
Thanks Ryan this is definitely a idea I will have to do and one less mic stand needed for my drums setup looks like a winner all round
You have your room and kit dialed in! Tuning Sounds killer!!
This is a fantastic video.
I think the hardest part of recording is understand which things we can "tweak" to change the sound. Breaking this down by height, angle and width is fantastic, since that's a simple enough framework that I can use it to help dial in a specific recording.
Very useful information. Nice video. Thanks !
This is just so helpful and invaluable information. Thanks !!!
Wow! This is an even better video than your previous instruction on how to record acoustic guitar with two cheap mics. And that video was already incredible! Thanks a bunch!
Thanks so much! I’ve done a lot of testing for the videos and my courses so there’s a lot to talk about.
This is seriously invaluable information. Thank you SO much.
Your welcome Cole and glad it helped!
Just wanted to send a huge Thank you for what you do here on CZcams. I have applied some of your drum miking techniques and got some great results! Keep up the great work my friend!
Thanks and glad you got a lot of of my videos!
@@creativesoundlab Oh? Wanted to ask if you have a Patreon?
Absolutely stellar demo! You've made it super clear how to approach the technique. No B.S. here folks! Take note.
Another great video!
You, my friend, are a knowledgeable and excellent teacher on recording. I have watched a few vids of you, and am very impressed. I want to start recording my drumming, but I have a large double bass kit, I have low ceilings, and zero equipment for recording. I have been researching what to get that won't cost a fortune as I am just a hobby drummer. But using the overheads, and maybe getting my bass drums and snare mic'd, will hopefully be enough to get a decent recording as I can't really mic a 12 piece kit unless I get some advanced ($$$) gear. I wish I could pick your brain, but your videos will have to do! Awesome stuff, thanks.
Very happy with the sound I get with one mic but am definitely going to give this a go, thank you Ryan!
Very cool glad this inspired you!
Great video, many thanks 🙏
Thank you so much for this video!!
This was excellent, really appreciated the graphics too.
Incredible information. Clear and precise!
Great stuff as usual... but man!! Those Standards look and sound amazing!!
wow, this is so helpful.great video.
Excellent, clearly demonstrated info.
I'm a huge proponent of the less is more. I think you without a doubt have proved it with really great sounding drums. Sonically everything feels balanced to me and has a great phase relationship. I don't know if this will work in every style, but, I think for a lot of styles it can. I wish more people used less mics.
I gotta say, the best mic placement I've ever had was this configuration. The sound of my drums was so good, it looked bigger than it really was needed. But with a few tweaks with the sound guy, it was perfect, and as far as I can go, this will always be my configuration of mics! And this video is so helpful not just for drummers, but also for sound engineers, etc! Thanks for this!
Glad this video was helpful!
Thanks for the video man.
This is priceless, thank you
love it, Ryan, amazing one
Thanks Yashir! This was covering some of the territory of one of my courses...I think I mentioned it in the video. But anyways, it's some deep stuff that I spent a lot of time testing and thinking about. Glad it helps!
Great tips!
Really great stuff, as usual!
Thanks!
I just bought the course. Thanks for the help
Thank you man!
Extremely useful video!! Thanx!! 😃👍
Awesome video, great explanation!
I bought the course, it's great and I highly recommend it guys, it's worth 100 times more than the price. Thanks!!
Thank you Robert!
Love your videos, I'm gonna buy the course
Thanks so much man. You rock and I can only do this because of the courses.
Just brilliant!!! Thanks.
Just so you know, I watched this full screen, lying in bed on my back, with my laptop sitting on the end of my nose.
ditto
Absolutely sublime... Well done mate !
Thanks Cujo!
Awesome! This is freaking nuts good
Sounds great! Will try that on a 4 track for a Black Metal project. Thanks for the ino!
You weren't kidding man that's a great drum sound
Thanks so much! The compression really helps to give it that sound.
Great tutorial, thanks for the tip. I'm excited to try this out in the studio.
Sweet let me know how it works out.
No one gonna mention how great that Tegeler Audio Manufaktur Creme sounded on those OHs? Knew it was great on a mix bus but this just proved how versatile it can be! Great video.
You nailed it !
Great video!
I’ve really been digging into this topic on my own too. Truthfully I spent years giving minimal thought to overhead mic technique. But xy pencils on a good stand is truly the place to start!
Nice. Let me know if you check this out!
This is brilliant. My room has a short ceiling height and full mics get messy with phase and bleed. Definately worth a try! Thank you.
Sure Darrin. Let me know how it works out. You’ll want to stay low with the mics which means you may be wider than you want. If so then go over the ride to fine tune the width. Also the xy could possibly mean that ceiling treatment might be able to be concentrated over the pair vs with spaced pair.
Thank you for this! I’ve been anxious about eventually buying a mic set for my drums, since it can be so overwhelming. I’m going to try this technique with my Zoom H4n, which has an XY pattern.
Nice. Yeah just experiment and you’ll find the right sound.
Good shit, man. Gotta love that drummer tongue too. I probably had to work harder on getting rid of that than my actual drumming technique.
Yeah totally. I can’t get rid of the tongue no matter how hard I try.
Good stuff man!👍
You sir are awesome! Thank you for this and all your videos! \m/
Great content! 👍
Well done & great, precise info, man!!! Thanks :-)
Thanks!
Gonna use this at a session I'm doing soon for a quick demo but add in kick and snare mics , thanks bud from birmingham uk
Great and let me know how it works out. This was just the overheads. Add in the close mics and use the planning of what you get with your OH to help you pan the toms etc. then go wider if you want.
Sounds Awesome!
Nice coherent image. Very nice center with the snare like you were talking about in the vid. Widening and narrowing of the sound was really highlighted with your examples. That's what I'm missing is a nice pair of SDC mics. Hope to have some soon so we can do that with them. Thanks for the great video as usual Ryan!
Thanks Paul!
Found this video, liked it a lot. Would love a video where you use a third mic for getting some low end.
Appreciate this. Many thanks.
Thank you !
Remarkably good. Now to try and test out this technique on my next song. I might add one under the snare for a bit of flavour, just to see.
Nice! Let me know how it turns out!
"The kick will sit wherever it wants" :-) Good one!!!
This is a great video. You should make one about how to record dry drums and get them to have depth.
I have that Rode stereo bar, I love it!
Yes so simple and light
Nice work thanks for the above view also.
I just started using this method and I'm sticking with it for a few reasons.#1,less mic stands to futz around with,#2 great for my 3pc bop kit#3,tried the Glyn John's techniche(royal pain to setup).All I need is 3 mic's(bass kick,2xy mic overheads and its quick setup and mixdowns baby!!🗽📼
I arrived at something vaguely similar in my crappy drum room, I use a pair of KSM137 in "narrow ORTF." It's not a real pattern but I like the image that it gives. I think I saw Ulf does the same thing in one of his videos. I did XY for a while too. And "recorderman" on some past projects. I have come to be mildly passionate about a good set of small diaphragm mics over drums. This video is great it gave me some new ideas I will try. I think George Massenburg did a video of similar concepts about a spaced pair of SDC. The concepts are the same but I think you went a little further in this video.
Thank you so much !!
Great video!! This is the second video of yours where the Soyuz mics have pretty much blown me away. Dammit. Now I’m gonna have to go buy a pair.
Haha yeah those 013s are great. I don’t know why they sound so big either.
Creative Sound Lab - curious, do you recall what factors lead to you choosing these vs the other mics in a similar price range; Neumann K184s; Telefunken m60; Beyer mc930; Miktek C5s. Kinda where I’m at. These seem to have a lot of low end, transient detail and impact, and a nice top end, without sounding overly hard or harsh. I’ve been using a pair of 4041s for a long time and they’re really decent mics, but I often find them to be a bit strident. Never an issue where I can’t make a record, but just looking for some new tools. Seems like I always like things that have a bit more of a flattering character such that they sound like a record on the way in.
Btw I really appreciate the amazing job you do of exploring recording techniques in detail. So much of what’s out there doesn’t talk about the principles behind mic selection and placement choices. Bravo!! I’ve been at this for many years but continually find useful info on your channel. I wish your channel was around when I started!! Keep up the good work sir!
BRILLIANT!!!!!
Thanks!
This was mind blowing, thank you for sharing this great advice. Was curious are the mics you’re using tube or FET?
One of the most useful drum recording videos I've seen. I'm going to buy the course as you always cover useful things. Out of curiosity when you record a stereo pair do you level match the preamps and record as a stereo track or just record them seperately as two mono tracks?
I record as two mono tracks. I just like to hard pan two tracks and it gives me control if I need to lower one side slightly of the snare isn’t centered. Sometimes it happens! Nobody’s perfect. Also when exporting tracks it’s nice to have a bunch of mini tracks for a song rather than have to group a few stereo tracks and then export the rest as mono.
Interesting - the toms were wider coming in the "narrower" position, but the cymbals were narrower. The cymbals were wider in the over the tom, but the rack tom became much more centered. Cool video.
Dude, this is f*cking science! Awesome!
Hello! Your videos are absolutely great. Thank you for doing them. I’m learning so much. My question is are the Soyuz mics tube or FET?
dude! another great video! makes me want tot try XY on overheads (always use spaced pair, ortf or blumlein)
Yeah Frank, totally. You could actually use these ideas as long as you have a stereo bar that lets you move both mics together.
I love SDCs. They are my favorite mics by far.
Very interesting! Which ones do you use? I've spent years to find some that I like.
@@creativesoundlab I don't personally own any right now, but when I was in school we had the Neumann KM 184s but those are totally out of my budget. I'm looking at maybe trying some more budget friendly ones like the Rode M5s.
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