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- Moneyball - The New Direction: The scouts are confused when Billy (Brad Pitt) declares a radical new direction for their team.
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Billy Beane (Brad Pitt), general manager of the Oakland A's, one day has an epiphany: Baseball's conventional wisdom is all wrong. Faced with a tight budget, Beane must reinvent his team by outsmarting the richer ball clubs. Joining forces with Ivy League graduate Peter Brand (Jonah Hill), Beane prepares to challenge old-school traditions. He recruits bargain-bin players whom the scouts have labeled as flawed, but have game-winning potential. Based on the book by Michael Lewis.
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Cast: Brad Pitt, Jack McGee, Nick Searcy, Vyto Ruginis
Screenwriter: Aaron Sorkin, Steven Zaillian
Director: Bennett Miller
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The old guy that says "He answers to God and the Ownership" is a guy I want on my team. He gets the Big Picture and is a calm voice in the storm. Very underrated line in a great scene.
That seems like a subtle threat more than anything. Basically getting them all to calm down because ultimately Billy Beane's head would be on the block, not theirs.
Very true...
@@Korijenkins1414 idk I don’t have any knowledge of how GMs run front offices but I imagine that if Billy gets fired, the Incoming gm would likely be replacing some of them.
Old guy sounds more like he was protecting his job since his "expertise" are no longer valuable.
anyone who says I answer to God is immediately fired.. I don't want that voodoo bullshit in my clubhouse. Keep it to yourself, no one cares
"Who?" "Exactly, he sounds like an Oakland A already..."
You beat me to it lol
Priceless
Robert Saladino over 15 since the events of this movie took place and that’s still true for the A’s lmao
🤣🤣🤣
Lol I was laughing so loud with this I was like yup that’s my team! Lol 😆
"Do I care if it's a walk of a hit? Pete."
"You do not."
"I do not."
I wish that my Royals embrace this “get on base” attitude
I know the basic rules of the game, but being from England I haven't seen many games. But I would think that getting on base is the single most important thing in baseball, forgive me for stating the obvious.
@@csb7376 you are-pun intended-on the ball with this comment.
@@csb7376 you'd be shocked how undervalued that skill is among a lot of fanbases and players even that get piad a ton of money.
It seems that walks come back to score or create a run more often than you think. Maybe I'll look up a stat on that.
Another thing I wonder is why left handed hitters don't push a bunt down to third base with the shift on against them. Especially with no outs and 3B playing over at SS. No they'd rather pull the ball into a loaded defense.
I like the hearing aid guy. In previous scenes he's skeptical but by now he's starting to trust the process or at least the person leading the process. Low-key character progression
pretty sure that's Phil Pote, one of the real scouts/former players they put into that scene. RIP Mr. Pote.
I think they were trying to cope with the fact that they assembled that board with all the players they scouted and researched for months and Billy just says "none of them" lol. On a side note the scouts in MLB don't get very much credit for the huge role they play in organizations.
kiva822 he was a big deal back in the day, I just read upon him, he helped a lot of young kids.
I haven't seen the movie, only clips on CZcams, but from this scene I thought the hearing aid guy was being sarcastic and said that to set up the other guys line
I wouldn't say that the hearing aid scout is trusting the process. It's more like he gets the fact that the GM is making the decisions and they are just making recommendations to him. Hierarchy and position of authority.
this scene is a bunch of cashiers seeing the new self checkout lane being unveiled
@MANCHESTER UNITED Soccer is bullshit. I dont care how many countries step in it.
@MANCHESTER UNITED dude I support Man U as well but bringing football into a conversation like this just gives it's fans a bad look. Especially Man U fans. Let baseball be enjoyed like any other sport.
@MANCHESTER UNITED Dude why are you everywhere on baseball videos copying and pasting that stupid comment. Nobody cares, soccer sucks! Also if you were a true fan of "soccer" or Man U you would be calling it football not "soccer" you puff.
MANCHESTER UNITED wait you’re commenting on baseball vids instead of the AFL vids now? Wtf do you do with your life mate?
@@nath-wp7xp Not even a baseball video, a film clip from a film about baseball.
"Check your reports or I'm *gonna* point at Pete..."
"Not buying into this Bill James bullshit, are ya?" I've seen this movie 5 times, never caught that line. Bill James, sabremetrics and Moneyball the book pretty much changed what I wanted to do for a living
“Not a discussion”
“What are we discussing?”
“It’s not a discussion”
😂😂😂
"whats not a discussion" - probably the next part of the discussion
Billy realised it was pointless trying to unearth rough diamonds and polish them, just for bigger teams to steal them from him. Better to get players that nobody wanted in the first place, but who could get the job done.
Brilliant assessment.
I like this movie, not because it's historically accurate, but because the characters are solid, believable, and colorful. And because watching someone stand up to and overcoming hostility and skepticism just feels so dang good.
I love the faces of each guy as Beane turns their objections into the exact reasons he wants to acquire the player.
Never be that guy that thinks you’re above your position unless you’re Jimmy Mcnulty
10/10 comment my friend.
...and Lord knows what happened to him in the end...
He IS good police
Luv this! 🤣😂🤣😂
@@MrZadir-nu7bd poh'leece
"Starlord."
"Who?"
"Exactly. Sounds like a Guardian of the Galaxy already. "
Lmao thats good
They actually wrote that scene in honor of him because of this scene in Money Ball. Nice dedication LOL
Fantastic comment. Nicely done sir.
I'm here all week guys😎🤙
@@johnstjohn1987 Look at the yellow name to the right at 1:55
"Billy. Billy.. who's that?" "That's Pete." "Does Pete really need to be here?" "Yes he does." Love how Billy totally owns the risky move, stands by Peter & truly doesn't care what others think of him.
Risky move? As the hearing aid guy stated, Billy’s the boss and doesn’t answer to them so that wasn’t a risky move at all
@@user-rr8hi6nl4f good grief
@@user-rr8hi6nl4f if they quit and go work for the competition then it’s risky
My favorite line in the movie, "guys check the reports or I'm gonna point at Pete" 🤣
1:11 - "Y'not buying into this Bill James bullshit, are ya?"
Pal, if you only knew ...
1:12
Who is the old guy with the hearing aids that reminds everyone Pitt is the boss
Phil Pote an old school scout from LA who actually played a huge role in getting schools to pick up Baseball Programs in the inner cities which produced a lot of pros. I don't know his job history as a scout he was with the A's and Dodgers maybe more teams and he did that for like 50 years.
Phil Pote playing himself, actually.
Rodzilla no he’s right a lot of the deaths have been labeled as Covid related to give the hospitals funding for essentially free just because they have more deaths or cases of Covid
@Rodzilla glad you’re ignoring the countless hospital workers who have come out and said deaths are being falsely reported. Governments said they would give aid where it was needed (where there’s more covid). Hospitals say they have more covid deaths = more money. There have been reports of car accidents being labeled as covid deaths. So it may not be the CDC’s fault their numbers are wrong but the corporate side of healthcare that’s to blame.
@@WaleighWallace OK, so if there were all these "falsely reported deaths", then why did the number of people who died in 2020 come in at _19%_ over the predicted numbers? Those numbers come from every county in the US. Are you going to claim that US counties issued half a million fake death certificates?
I lived in the Bay Area when this happened. Even attended a few of those games during their streak. It was amazing!
I wish this whole scene was put in the movie (at least the TV version). One thing that annoyed me was how Grady (the head scout) kept on like he was the one running the team until he was fired. The old guy sensed the scouts were getting too pushy with the young GM and that that GM was set on changing directions, regardless of any of their input. Subordinates give their input, defend it maybe, but then put the decisions in the hands of the person whose job it is to make them. These guys needed a reminder of that.
They needed a heel to embody sabermetrics' tension with the then-prevailing conventional wisdom.
The Grady Fuson in this movie doesnt resemble the Grady in real life. Grady in real life was on board with Beane and only left bc he got an assistant GM job elsewhere. It was an amicable parting.
Very well said,
“This is the new direction of the Oakland A’s. We’re card counters at the Blackjack Table. We’re gonna turn the tables in the casino.”
Aaaaaaaand then every other MLB franchise adopted your tactics 😂😆🤣
the thing is, most really good teams only need to add two or three guys each year TOTAL.
You can use this process alongside of the 'regular' scouts, it's just another management tool.
the As being on the bottom of the barrel have the option of adding 10 players if they wish.
the same method could be used when looking at moving players UP from your own minor team.
That's why the worst teams each year get first pick in the draft the next year. Keeps the rotations going so that (theoretically) no team is at the bottom for too long.
The book is very clear that Billy Beane is aware that he's going to have to constantly look for new inefficiencies. That's the true essence of Moneyball.
Jonah hill “ you do not”
The old guys were basically afraid of losing their jobs is why they fought against the changes so much. If the team were to change the way they evaluated talent and a guy like Jonah Hill's character was better at doing the new method then they were they probably assumed they would've been out of a job anyways if they went along with this new method.
Probably why that one scout basically begged to be fired later on. He knew he was losing his job either way.
A lot of ball clubs and nfl teams have adopted this strategy.
I never knew baseball relied so heavily on scouts until I saw this movie. They relied on them too much really.
The scouts do a great job of finding talent, its KEEPING the talent that is the hard part. Billy asked the owner for a little more to retain some of the players and the owner said no, despite being worth hundreds of millions.
A lot of people forget that the players during the Yankees dynasty from '96 to lets say '03, were mostly made up of players they drafted, developed, and here's the important part, SPENT MONEY to retain.
The Glass Family, who own the Royals and Wal-Mart, actually had the balls to not pay to retain players from their '15 championship team and cry "Small Market", despite owning one of the biggest companies on planet Earth.
The humour in this movie is beyond dry and I love it
Oakland A's GM Billy Beane knows his "small market" team cannot match "large market" teams in terms of player payroll, so he resorts to a creative non traditional method of putting together a competitive winning team in a short period of time. Kudos to Billy Beane and others for "thinking outside of the box" in a sport (baseball), which prides itself on tradition. It's not a easy task for a baseball GM to put a team together (no matter what method is used) since predicting productive player performance is usually not guaranteed.
This is the man, he answers to ownership and God. - Real CEO
This movie and indeed this scene in particular is just as much about any business endeavor and shows the true meaning of leadership.
While their talking about Hatteberg at :15 you can see (Pratt C) in background. Which is also the initials of the actor who played him. Chris Pratt aka Star Lord himself.
Joe Ackley that’s Todd Pratt he was a catcher that never really got famous but he was a pretty decent game manager
These scenes are a masterclass in conceptual exploration.
1:46 Me, when I tell everyone in my house what's going to happen
1:25 Elmer Fudd gets it.
It’s funny how the scouts board has a lot of future stars .
Well, traditional scouting can find the best/good players. The whole Moneyball thing is that even though you can find those players, a team like the Oakland A's wouldn't have the payroll to keep them around. Like they had Jason Giambi who was a star. They had Johnny Damon who was a star. Billy Beane tried to find a different market efficiency because signing the star costs a shitload of money that his team didn't have.
A scene that needs to occur in almost every major organization on the planet.
Do I care if it's a walk or a hit? Love the logic.
0:26 Same with Max Muncy and Justin Turner. Became integral for the Dodgers world series run
Crazy the A’s didn’t even see what they had with max Muncy
Anyone else notice on the board behind them that there is a C Pratt. Easter egg??
It refers to the catcher named Todd Pratt
I was critical in another video of this, but let's look at the ACTUAL numbers from 2001 and 2002:
2001 With Giambi, Damon and Saenz they produced a .279 avg, 56 HR 201 RBI with an adjust OBP (HBP and SF counted) of .377
2002 guys produced .274 avg, 34 HR 127 RBI and guess what the adjusted OBP was?
.377
You just need to get on base.
@@unclerico1106 And you need guys who can drive you home after you get on base.
Baby steps. You need to get on base first before you worry about driving them home. If you have neither and have limited resources, which becomes your top priority?
Another overlooked thing not =mentioned in the movie was how good their starting pitching was during the season. They had a great rotation.
Another "changed/hollywood-ified" thing was Chris Pratt's character. In the movie, it looks like the A's signed him just as his family was struggling to pay their bills.
In reality the A's and Rockies were in a bidding war over Hetterberg because of his On Base Percentage (OBP). The movie shows him getting $238k, when he actually got between $1.5-$1.8 million.
The scouts dont get it that Billy has been handcuffed by the owner and CANNOT go after the free agents that could improve the team.
0:40 "or I'm gonna point at Pete" love that
0:12 "exactly sounds like an Oakland A to me already" LOL I luv that line 🤣🤣
1:14 "this is the new direction of the Oakland A's we are card counters at the blackjack table and we are gonna turn the odds on the casino" such a well acted line from my man Brad 🤘🤘
I mean truth be told I act just like my man Brad in real life from this classic movie man🤘🤘
"Bill James bullshit" Excuse you Mr. "On the weed" Dude.
- Scott Hatteberg
+ WHOOO???!!!
- Exactly, sounds like an Oakland A already.
Loool
I need a Pete when I am talking in a meeting.
i notice on the free agent board in the background...when Billy brings up Hatteberg ..at the 0:16 mark...can see Pratt C. on the board....
Scout in the green jacket is the most intelligent one out of all of them.
0:15 you can see Chris Pratt's name on the board
You totally missed the bigger name on that side of the board, tori hunter future stud.
@@Sneakycastro69 Tori Hunter was also on like 2 different teams that knocked the A's out of the playoffs while Beane was there.
Yep that’s for Todd Pratt who was a catcher (the C). I’m sure the filmmakers were aware and positioned it and highlighted it as an Easter egg.
Barry, what a wisecrack.
It took a lot of guts for Beane to move forward with Analytics or Moneyball. He KNEW he was walking into a gauntlet with his scouts.
Best scene in the movie.
The pirates try to play money ball. They fail at it in epic fashion.
Sounds like Bill Belichick talking about Cam Newton
What a job this man did.
Real life billy bean....legend
That GM seems smart, he should try and count cards at a casino or something..
0:15 Anybody else notice "PRATT C" in the yellow magnet at the bottom of the list? LOL
0:06 Pratt Catcher
I’m gonna point at Pete. Hilarious
Lol in the background @ 16 secs there is a Pratt C written on the whiteboard.
Brad has such perfect hair
Strong "Ocean's 11" vibes at 1:15.
The scouts actually have a point. If the manager is going to ignore all of their recommendations, there is no point in them being there. Think of what the team could save if they fired all the scouts.
I love this movie.
Did no one else notice the "PRATT C" on the board after Scotts name was said? Chris Pratt plays Scott lol.
Funny thing is the guy who plays the one most against the new tactic was actually against it in real life, so he barely had to act.
This scene is a classic example of revolutionary change and how hard it is to make that change. It takes guts, intelligence, and a clear vision. It also reminds me of an argument between a father and a son. A clash of generations and egos. Does anybody really like the dark haired deep voiced naysaying “dad”? I sure af don’t lol. Jonah Hill is perfect as the non masculine/arrogant light of reason absent prejudice and ego. Definitely need to watch this film.
Pratt C at 0:06 lol I never noticed that before
Yeah I just noticed that too. Just as they announce the 3rd player is Hatteburg.,
Omg I miss you so much Kendaz
Taking the ball club in a new direction. 👍
Guys look at your sheets or I'm gonna point to Pete
why this did win best picture?? beats the hell out of me.
For the record, a hit is better than a walk. No one ever went first to third on a walk.
Don't make him point at Pete😉
It's unbelieveable how the idea of basic stats was so foreign in baseball up to this point, when it's literally been used as the indicator of greatness in basketball for more than 2 decades before this.
Love this show. Eventhough I don't know anything about baseball lol
Great movie, but what the movie conveniently failed to mention is that the A's had amazing all-star pitchers and hitters that year. Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, Miguel Tajada, Ray Durham, Mark Ellis, Jermaine Dye and Eric Byrnes. None of those players were ever mentioned in the movie.
Yoooooo thanks for the walk down memory lane with those names LOL. First fantasy title I ever won was on the backs of Zito and Tejada :)
The film lionizes Beane, who has exactly ZERO rings. And, ironically, they are losing their team to Las Vegas.
MoneybaLL (2011) - The New Direction Scene (4/10) | MoviecLips
This movie is about thinking differently. I sure as hell don't know jack about baseball.
I love this movie. Truth in numbers
The movie totally ignores the high end pitching that team had
0:43
Is the first guy they get, McLovin ?
He..... Gets..... On.... BASE!
Spurs front office lol
Quals arguing with quants
It's Bill Belichick style too. Hires outcasts and make them champions. 😁😁
I like the guy at 1:24
The strategy works in the regular season to win them 100+ games. Yankees had to win well over this to win the division over them. But in the playoffs for some reason it doesn't work so well. Maybe this is because the pitching is much better.
Yes, every team wants to win a championship, but in that kind of situation, the real goal is to just compete.
Professional sports is simply entertainment. Winning 100+ games entertains fans and earns your team more money.
They could win 5 Championships in a row and that won't suddenly make them as much money as the Yankees. Sure, they would have prestige, but I use that wild example to prove a point that the real goal is NOT to win a title, no matter what is said to the public. Winning titles is the icing on the cake of a successful and profitable season.
@@paulgaither I agree completely.
THIS!! This was the moment when EVERYTHING turned around for Oakland. It has begun a tradition of excellence and winning and championships and......... um, uhhhhh, (looks at the records) ohhhhhhhhhh. Hmmmm, well, at least they’re not Seattle 🤷🏼♂️
It's the reality of the game in the big money era. You are NOT going to win championships without big money.
So, as a little team...STOP CHASING CHAMPIONSHIPS. Play the game. Get the underappreciated (cheap) talent and put out a good, entertaining, successful ball club.
Because the Yankees are going to splash the cash and win the games. Anything you develop they are just going to buy...BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Enjoy your over-performing ball club on a budget. The metric of success here is NOT championships won...it is winning more than your budget would allow you to expect.
@@dclark142002 its also a case of just hoping things click in place that 1 season and you do happen to win a championship.
if you pause at the six second mark you cab see pratt c. and chris pratt was in the movie just a mess up or intentional.
Actually neither, just a total coincidence. The 2002 Phillies had a catcher named Todd Pratt who was exactly the kind of player the A's would've been looking for at that point: a cheap and underrated backup who got on base a lot.
1:33
If you look up the 2002 A's on baseball reference, it really is nuts how high the average OBP was. Almost entire lineup is 350+
The team OBP was .339, 5th best in the AL.
logic and math > feelie feels
Great movie, great scene. But one correction - in many instances, you do care if a guy gets a walk versus a hit. A hit is better than a walk.
As long as he gets on base smh
@@frankb2866 if we have runners on 2nd and 3rd and two outs, the walk is nearly worthless, a base hit plates two. There are many other scenarios (in fact almost half of all possible scenarios) where a hit is better than a walk.
That doesn't negate the premise of the movie, which is that OBP is an undervalued commodity and therefore it makes sense for a budget-strapped team to over-index on that statistic.
@@Mq6vL9Bu Sure, a hit can also potentially get you more than a single base, which is why the A's valued slugging percentage as well.
It's the heart of the scene though, and the "Moneyball" idea in general back then: if they couldn't afford guys who could hit, they could at least afford guys who minimum could get on base, get traffic going for guys like Tejada and Chavez. If you can't sign a guy who can drive in 100, then at least get a guy who can be driven in by someone else in the lineup. Averages and slashlines go up across the board with men on base and RISP, so the idea is that while a hit is more productive with runners on, you're helping yourself if you're limited in free agency if you can at least solve the "runners on" part. Justice that year only slugged .410, but had a .376 OBP, so although he wasn't the slugger he was in Atlanta, he still scored 54 runs in a little over half a season, not a far dip from his career per-season average, because getting on base was still useful for them even if he had no power left.
LARRY LARRY LARRY LARRY LARRY
Pause at 0:05 You can see Chris Pratt's name in the whiteboard in the form of "Pratt C."
JoeDotPHP might purely be a coincidence. Todd Pratt was a catcher at the time of the movie that could have been on the A’s board as a potential free agent. Good find, though.
Yep, Todd Pratt and the "C" standing for "catcher." Good eyes though. I've watched this scene a few times and never noticed that.
@@phillyeaglesphan I know. I looked him up also. It's something I would have done as an inside joke so maybe they did the same.
He’s simply playing the cards he was dealt with. The rest of the management doesn’t know, and probably doesn’t care. They only salivated for talent.
"not a discussion". The why are they all there?
it's good to be the king
I don't know if the guy at 1:27 was being sarcastic.
Isaic02 he wasn’t
The scouts in the room were getting uppity and he correctly felt that they needed to be reminded of their place.
I know that he ended up being right, but I get the scouts perspectives.
Scouts: So you want to bring in 3 defective players, 2 of whom are a defensive liability. You know there is only 1 DH spot? We are likely going to be giving up more runs than we are getting from them.
Billy: bUt THeY GeT oN BaSe!
Scouts: What does that have to do with any of this?
Billy: This is not a discussion.
Like daheck is going on?