Did Johnson Betray the Fishing Industry: What the Brexit Deal Means for British Fish - TLDR News
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One of the main selling points for Brexit is that it would allow the UK to reclaim full access to their waters, allowing the British fishing industry to flourish. However, some are less than happy with the deal Johnson agreed with the EU, saying that it betrays the UK fishing industry. So in this video we explain what's changing, what the deal says & if fishermen have been betrayed.
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Overfishing is pointless, the 'golden days of fishing' can't ever come back.
Yet it’s the EU who overfish in UK waters.
That's what I want lol pointless its gets more point 😃😃😃
It can but it would cost a lot of money in compensation to the owners of supertrawlers if they are banned, which Brexiteers speak nothing of but Greenpeace do.. The majority of U.K fishing quota is owned by 25-30 commodities traders and they rent them out to the highest bidder, who isn't the jolly British fisherman in his 10 foot boat. If there were smaller boats, catching less and landing in British docks it would create jobs in all the industries involved but the British government since the 1960s has sold the little man out and encouraged foreign owners to buy their quotas, whilst championing whoever can afford the bigger boat. That's unregulated Capitalism I'm afraid.. :/
@@jared3970 lol nope 👎
any problem can be fixed if you're willing to throw enough money at it. can't ever see the tories ever doing that though. possibly Labour may if you can stop them wasting money on diversity training programs ect.
You analysed a very complicated and highly politicised issue neutrally and intelligently, good job 👍🏾😁
A very complicated issue and I have to watch this video again to CATCH some more detail.
And fast!
UK has bigger fish to catch...
In some ways. To me they seem to downplay the amount of fish we are getting by talking about the 4% change in North Sea cod but not mentioning the 30% change in North Sea herring or the 22% change in North Sea mackerel despite herring and mackerel being the two biggest catches in U.K. fishing
G Skeptic you think , deal you mean TREATY if it's a deal FISHING QUOTAS ETC. things that belong to Countries are not in deals, belong to us Sovereign rights .
i guess you could say the fish debacle was... a red herring
7.5/10
Made me chuckle, and had everything a good joke consists of, but as we know puns are the lowest form of comedy. For that reason I gave you this rating
Ba dum, and might I add, tish :p
Lol sucked in
Stop carping on about it.
All the comments are sort of fishy...
Britain left the EU over access to fishing waters, an issue they cared so little about they literally sold a quarter of their quota to the Dutch, because their own waters have none of the fish they actually like.
I live in an old fishing town. The harbour has been very successfully regenerated as a tourist attraction with marina and the roads around the harbour even closed for socially distanced pavement cafe's and bars this summer. A return to the lumbering HGV's and the stench I remember making me gag and almost puke as a kid would have been disastrous. Commercial fishing is tough, dangerous and low paid - not an industry I would want my son to enter. The pain of losing the industry was felt here a long time ago and I would have hated to see the current local employers decimated for a rose tinted fantasy of returning to a bygone age.
Wonderfully put.
Thats the Brexit dream in a nutshell though. A fantasy return to a Britain which probably never existed
Hull has been redeveloping some of their old port areas recently, looked nice.
@@sayno2lolzisback Brilliantly put.
I noticed from living in England for a very long time as a foreigner, but one that can't be "detected" due to at this point replicating the accent. The British have a really hard time admitting when they did something wrong. This applies to economics and politics more than anything. I would describe Brexit thought as "It totally is not the British government that destroyed the standing of the education system, it totally is not the British govt who never repaired the economy after 2008. No no no it is ALL IMMIGRANTS FAULT you see. Johnny foreigner came over and burned down the local classroom, then claimed 500,000 in benefits per month while getting a makeover from the NHS every week. Farage confirmed what I was saying while speaking on CZcams from the Russian embassy" XD
UK wants control of it’s fishing waters but brits don’t want to eat the fish. Haha
Yep, that sums it up.
And, if this deal hadn't been made, UK fishermen would have lost easy, tariff free access to the market where they sell the vast majority of their catch.
Brits prefer their processed and chemical laden mock-meats and shaped potato snacks while they rant and cheer about regaining their sovereignty.
Then its British fault not Boris Johnson fault
@@wahyuniantonio2938 Betrand Russell said we get the politicians we deserve. Therefore I guess you are right, if more people took their votes seriously (and maybe joined the main political parties to avoid them being taken over by the lunatics) we wouldn't have a clown making the decisions.
Exports
Glad they focused on the 0.02% contributer to our economy rather than Financial services. 😐 Fustercluck. This is the material that needed promoting before the referendum.
It was. Brushed aside as project fear. And it is likely to turn out worse than expected
Im allready trying to buy a boat , quitng my office job and going to become a fisherman lets vote for Boris again next time he is the man LOL
The problem is that the number of people actually working in the financial services sector is way less than the number of people working in other industries. The British Working class Identifies more with fishermen, than with people working in the city. So they do not care if they loose their jobs or income. This is why looking at everything in the terms of money is not good.
It's not about numbers. It's about sovereignty and expectation that Britain will get back what belongs to them. Basically a political issue rather than an economic one. And in negotiations you can never ignore political concerns. You could have the best financial deal which would crumble if one party seems to have "lost face".
So just another 'we actually screwed our own people so lets blame foreigners' situation.
The more I try to understand why Brexit happened, the more I realise it‘s because of that
Did you actually watch the video?
There is a benefit here compared to being in the EU, in regards to fishing alone. That isn't up for debate. What is, is the extent of this benefit and if it's what the fishing brexiteers wanted entirely.
The fact you can watch such a well explained video and still come to the conclusion you did is worrying.
@@InsanitiesBrother you mean the super tiny margin ? lmfao you can negotiate more fish when you are in the EU too, and when it's such a tiny change, I doubt anyone would want to argue against it.
@@InsanitiesBrother factor in paperwork and delays getting that fish into EU and you completely lose that marginal benefit.
UK people lost, again.
No the UK walked away from brexit better than it left the EU. Johnson’s rhetoric about fish nonstop worked because the EU only made minuscule concessions yes, but basically made the non issue of fishing seem like an issue to tip toe around the EU on the real issues.
1 trillion in assets moved out of the UK this year. Yeah I don't think the fish will cover it.
Who are you the UK's accountant !!?
@@daveyturner100 no I just like to invest in weak economies like third world countries.
@@jintarokensei3308 well if u wait just a little longer the EU will be right up your street for stagnant investments
@@daveyturner100 currently it's the UK bleeding capital, so I think in this race to the bottom they are ahead.
@@jintarokensei3308 so spain, Italy, Greece, Ireland and Portugal all being near bankrupt doesn't seem to bother you then. I was over in spain in September and they are in dire straights
COD wars 3 seasons:
My brain: Call of Duty 😂
well cod is dead
Fishing is the biggest and most inconsequential issue of Brexit at the same time
Will the brits die without their fish and chips?
@@Zenocius The fish for fish and chips is not found in UK waters.
Fishing is less important than B&Q to the British economy. Less important, even, than the National Trust visitor industry. If fishing was so important, why did Farage attend only two out of FORTY SIX EU Fisheries Committee meetings when he was supposed to attend ALL of them?
If i cant put ink all over my fish i am out.
It was purely a political issue. National pride and all that...
This deal smacks of what Johnson did with the withdrawal agreement. Hail it as a major breakthrough then say he didn’t read it and doesn’t agree with it. Brexit was always stupid, damaging and undeliverable.
We can be sure foreign governments and the union are mentally prepared for Her Majesty's Government's continuous attempts to breach also this treaty.
What's your job? How well are u doing in life? What's your contribution to the world?
You seem god like
The TRUTH is best discerned by sizes of noses from "HURRRAAH" -negotiators, who as they say achieved a ***MIRACLE**.
Why then, hour by hour their noses are growing like PINOCCHIO's
LONGER and longer, with smoke blown into our eyes.
NEW TREATY papers were written for months before 24 DECEMBER 2020, why that INTENSE-HARD DOWN THE LINE pressure, negotiating CHARADE? Then add a **HECKLER - (NF)- agitator **cheap comments and all is well?***
So ECJ is mute now? Watch their noses.
Payments saved? Watch their noses.
UK SOVEREIGNTY achieved? Watch their noses
.
UNCHECKED WA and NEW TREATY papers, they/negotiators, will need a wheelbarrow
to support their noses in a couple of weeks.
Unless as Sir John Woodward suggested, that, for THE UK important lifeline**CLAUSE** is added/inserted to the MASTERS' text our hopes and happiness will be very short-lived.
EUROPE'S MUSCLE is larger than ours. MUCH LARGER. SMARTER.
FACT REMAINS as clear as glass, should THE UK hold its nerve, and came out with NO DEAL, then after, allowed the "eu" come and ask us for negotiations, WE would get 50% better deals.
And were not selling out our fishermen, for the half-cooked SURRENDER act.
@@Seerwealth crack cocaine is a hell of a drug
@Brin Jenkins and yet you bitched for years. If only you left back in 2016 with no deal, pirates...
Ban large scale industrial fishing and make it clear to the consumer that the higher prices are the cost for a better sustainable product. It already works in farming.
arh the new organic fish scam
No it doesn't already work in farming lol people are still always buying cheap factory farmed animal products. Just because you and some of your friends like to buy "organic" doesn't mean most people are doing that
@Adam but you can make your own standards and give industrial fishing the same legality as lead in children toys. It is the same with banning/alowing chlorinated chicken and doesn't seem to have anything to do with having sovereignty over your waters but with the idea of the free market vs. Intervention. A very strange outcome. indeed.
@@mvnkycheez Some of my spoiled posh friends you mean ? :-) You don't have to go full GOOP esotheric to implement something like this. It would be the same as the ban on GMO soy products or different grades of chicken products. There really is a sizeable fraction in the population and not just those non existing friends of mine who is willing to accept slightly higher prices for a locally sourced food production. Otherwise we would already have the same highly concentrared Agro business as in the US. I know we are going there aspecially in dairy but it is my impression that politics really can modulate such trends. And the problem you are bringing up seems to have more to do with the forces of a fully unregulated market than with fishing quotas in british waters.
"Betray" would imply he was on anyone's side but his own all along.
He can easily betray everyone for his own benefit. And, in fact, has.
@@jounik Yup. I don't get some of these replies which makes me think this issue should never have been put out to the people. Too complex. They always said they understood what they were voting for but they didn't really.
its just stupid, there r not even enough fishermen. they already have 2 hire foreign workers, because nobody wants to do that job.
The new immigration bill should encourage more British people to take the fishing jobs and all the other jobs which will be available and prioritised for British citizens🤔?
@@deemanchester Of you go, you do it then.
@@deemanchester The immigration bill regulates immigration, but does not give any job incentives or encouragements for brits within the UK. As it contains exceptions for "low skilled" (rather low paid) workers when needed, it seems to be easy enough for british fishing companies to hire the north african workers they apparently need. More immigration, from outside the EU, not less is the Tory aim.
@@deemanchester just like it encouraged farming? Fishing is a dangerous job too most people don’t want to be fishermen. Let’s be honest brits don’t want do do fishing and farming.
@@ciaranbrk they dont want immigrants from eu here either to come and do those jobs, plus these jobs are probably low pay aswell, meaning less then 25k a year, meaning not good enough for british to accept those people, meaning british people need to get their hands dirty
I can’t believe how well explained this is
the main problem with fresh caught seafood is it is extremely expensive when compared to other types of meats.
@@captcrunch7961 the british do not like lobster what so ever.
@@MoDa87 Yes I do
And It's quite oily and smelly, compared to other cleaner waters around the world.
Britain shoots itself in the face, blames europe.
I mean, this comment has been relevant every single day for the last, what, century?
Nah there were two short stints where mainland europe was shooting Britain in the face in recent history. But other than that. Yeah.
Where was europe when germany was trying to take over the world?
Oh yeah...
@@KentRoads It's rather sad if your last real achievement was roughly 80 years ago, isn't it
@@10Tabris01 as oppose to your countries ample victories?
@@10Tabris01 and they couldn't do that without massive external help, which they conveniently forget to mention when bragging about victories past.
I'm a bit confused over your figures.
The numbers I saw, and this was a few months ago so they're approximate were:-
British consumption 360k tons
(50/60 % British caught)
British caught 540k tons
I never could understand the fishing industries desire to leave the EU when two thirds of their catch went there.
Total madness!
I am sure, even morons can read these figures and draw the right conclusion! But not when emotions run high. Then the brain is switched of.
You can have the same phenomenon here in Germany. I had a discussion with a voter for the Green Party who condemned globalization. I said, look, we export 70 % of our good to other countries. When you stopp global trade and cooperation this leads to deprivation and social unrest. After that she called me a ugly capitalist pig. This said, it’s about ideology and not about brain.
oh my cod.
COD 2 or 3
Cold War it's quite good. I can't wait for the new season battle pass.
The reason fish and chip shops buy mostly from frozen is because we don't have enough quota to keep the shops supplied year round. So we must buy frozen which is often a better product than fresh...yes I did say that. Frozen at sea from Norway or Iceland is generally frozen within hours on the trawler and put in holds already boxed. The boxes are marked "Frozen at Sea". Fresh fish sits in a hold and can be a week old before it is landed. Secondly, the process of defrosting releases a lot of water held in the fillet making it better to fry as less water content.
It's not about quotas if the fish isn't actually in UK waters anyway...
Thank you so much for the amazing content, you and your team always make the often bleak news, interesting.
That is actually one of my gripes with TLDR. I love the guys and what they do but they always lean towards their own government, rarely calling them out when the rest of the world does and, rightfully so. There is a bias, as the situation of Brexit is far, far worse than TLDR make out. I do wish that they would portray the gravity/realism of the situation a little more. For example, they are neglecting to mention that this "Deal" is a complete and total roll-over by the UK government. A total defeat. The EU got absolutely everything they wanted, and the UK are going to suffer. I believe that is worth talking about as that s the reality.
So just as every reasonable person expected you got a deal which is just straight up worse then what you've had as an EU member. You still need to respect and apply eu law, you don't get any higher fishing quota for the foreseeable furure but you don't have any say in what those new eu regulations will contain. None of the objectives of brexit have been fulfilled, you just get an inferior version of what you've had before but now have way less control over the eu. It's fucking crazy how anyone thought it would be a good idea. If you wanted full independence from the eu so you wouldn't have to abide by eu rules, apply eu regulations, set your own quotas or not contribute financially you had to go for the no deal brexit but you would be totally isolated from the rest of the world and you would straight up kill your economy. This deal is a huge win for the eu, you still give them all the benefits but get less in return and your politicians will no longer annoy rest of the European politicians with your whining and demands of special treatment. The major losers with this deal are the UK citizens which will suffer economically, Britain will lose a lot of its soft power and you'll get nothing in return.
exactly.
While I understand the pain my country men are feeling, I sometimes don't half feel they are good at voting against their own interests for the idea of returning to the "good old days".
Dude, I think Brexit is stupid but you are getting way ahead of yourself right now, this video is only about fishing and unless you weren't listening you heard than in 5/6 years the UK would be able to decide what they want to do with th fishing quota. Taxes doesn't mean losing control over your fish, it just means huge taxes to reduce outside competition.
Stop making hasty conclusions please, TLDR said in their last video that you can't conclude who won or who lost until the full deal is published and here you are saying the Brexit is a huge loss for the UK because 0.2% of its economy won't really change for 5 years (which is foreseeable future, by the way).
@@justfelix9199 in 5.5 years the British can decide something else, but in the deal is noted that the EU can retaliate. So you will be negotiating with your back to the wall. And if the UK economy is in recession at that moment, the deal will be easy for the EU. And the EU got zero tariffs on goods they export to the UK, with whom they have a surplus. The UK haven’t got a zero tariff on (financial) services, which they have a surplus on with the EU. So that part of the deal is certainly positive for the EU export and negative for the UK export. Just saying. I haven’t seen a lot of positive signs for the UK in this deal. Not saying there aren’t any, but they haven’t surfaced yet.
Well said. Brexit was pointless, and I wonder how long it will take for the public to grasp what has happened.
As a British person I agree entirely... which is why I'm now a Canadian, watching from Canada :P
The trousers he's wearing are Wrangler
They're great for his job as an angler
Although on a trip
He busted his zip
And showed all those present his dangler
Hahahhahaha love it!
😂😂
I've always pictured the British as big fish eaters. I'm surprised to learn they consume less fish than most Europeans.
Brits are tea adicts.
It’s too natural for them. It’s why they batter it and fry it after. They prefer things more processed. More in line with American culture.
Since they started making fish fingers out of sawdust, the fish consumption went down, and the wood consumption rose
@@docall18 The Brits actually don't like fish that are native to British waters.
Fish is more expensive than other meats when it has to travel very far inland.
Many don't know how to prepare the sea food. The older generations were bigger seafood eaters.
If you're going to hold an analytical eye to the economics, then Brexit was always a terrible, terrible idea. If it's about principle and "taking back control", then this is a terrible, terrible outcome. What was the point???
Because the economic turmoil has made great investment opportunities for Mogg, Boris Farrage and their friends. Simple as that. They sold a dream to the disaffected and the down trodden so they could increase their personal wealth.
Also Brexit let them to take power. I guess Cameron and Tories hoped that referendum gave "Remain" result. But 52:48 and we're here today
You must be very successful businessman. Will look you up now. You speak with such confidence
Just the working class doing what they always do, which is to flail about screaming about their own imagined victimhood, and opting to destroy the greater economy as a result, mixed with old senile people with dementia who don't remember that it's not the 1950s and that we don't actually have an empire anymore.
A touch harsh I feel -We should stop subsidising you Jocks -
TLDR narrator . You are very good at explaining things. Better than most of the News Media today. Thank you for sharing these news with people like me who really wish to know what will happen with UK post Brexit.
As a general statement, I call this deal the worst of both worlds. We lose all EU benefits, but keep zero tariffs, meaning we are still trading under EU economic rules.
Leave is unhappy, Remain is unhappy.
Was there any other way? From my point of view, Remain is unhappy because of Brexit and Leave would be only happy with full no deal, cut all ties "Brexit means Brexit".
“A good compromise is when both parties are dissatisfied.”
Leave isn’t happy, remain isn’t happy. England isn’t happy, Scotland isn’t happy, Northern Ireland isn’t happy and who cares about Wales? You’ve succeeded in disappointing everyone except the Europeans. Oh, the irony.
@@prazeodyn836 many other ways. Leave may have been less happy or remain less happy, but there are countless ways this could have been done better.
Instead, we only benefit from it not being a complete economic disaster, but remain, as a Leaver would put it, a "vassal state" of the EU.
From the start the threat of leaving could have been used as leverage to change some rules and structure of the EU to curtail the fears of some leavers.
More realistically, this deal should have been done sooner, with more time to prepare for businesses. This deal still would have sucked, but be far less damaging.
Lastly, and my favourite, a long transition period where tariffs gradually rise and benefits gradually fall, kind of like what is going on with fishing quotas but as a whole. Sure, leave would be annoyed with the slow departure, but it would be the safest and cleanest way to break from the EU.
There are three suggestions of countless they could have taken, instead of settling for whatever this deal is.
So what was the point of brexit? I just see the uk loosing benefits while gaining none, that 25% could’ve been negotiated without leaving the eu
There was no benefit to Brexit for ordinary people, only for the very rich.
Quite a few voted for racist or ehm..... "nationalistic" purposes.
They didn't want to see more black and brown people (although they really didn't have to anyways.).
They didn't want e.g. polish nurses taking UK jobs etc...
Somehow they didn't want seasonal workers picking vegetables and fruits from countries less well off.
(It was all a big lie and the Brexiteers campaigned on one thing while having very different views of what it actually would look like afterwards)
Lol people will never figure this out because they’re so obsessed about our “sovereignty”. When the irony is that a campaign funded by Russia convinced them to make the vote in the first place, fucking idiotic sheep. I have always been livid that brexit was voted in. It’s an uncertain future full of less freedoms.
Thanks for taking us on a Brexit journey! It’s amazing how little MP’s and leavers actually knew about the true facts of uk greater economy. Did people vote with their hearts rather than their heads?
To act like there are no rational reasons for leaving the EU makes you either a partisan or ignorant. The brexiteer side has never claimed that the remainers didn't have logical reasons to want to stay, we simply have different values.
You want to sacrifice Britain's sovereignty and autonomy to stay with a large bureaucratic nightmare of a trading block that has federal and imperialistic aspirations designed to remove accountability from politicians and give them a sumptuous gravy train to dine out on. You want that because it is safe and certain what economic benefits you are going to get.
We didn't want that, and believe that we could do just as well or better on our own after a short term hit. But that involved risk and wasn't certain. However, you'll notice that the EU caved to almost all of our most important demands, just as we said they would. Funny how that worked out. While some brexiteers will never be happy, I think that most people on both sides were surprised that Boris' deal came back this strongly without turning us into a vassal state, a brexit in name only.
they always do..
@@Capt.Thunder
You are perfectly right.
The UK was a misfit in the EU.
The question now is whether we manage to make us all happily divorced, or not.
@@Capt.Thunder The entire EU set up no bigger than Derbyshire county council.
To say the EU caved is laughable at best. The EU got what it wanted all along tarriffs and quota free access to the UK where it is strong in goods, the UK didn’t get financial or services access or passporting to the EU where it is strong, so more business and money will move to EU countries 🤷🏽♂️ Even in this video it shows practically zero change to fishing
So we catch more fish than we want, sell about half of it to the EU, and people are sad that we can't catch more of this fish that we already have more than we need of? It's essentially a profit generator. We catch it, we get to sell it, we make money. Knowing this, looking at the broader picture, the fish is a profit making tool, and if we allow other countries to do the gathering of this resource themselves, we absolve ourselves of that cost, while having bargaining power elsewhere in return. It makes perfect sense to let other countries catch their own fish if they really want to, if we get equivalent value in exchange. Looking at it like that, it's pretty ridiculous that people are getting so irate about it. I guess it's one of those "No, but it's the principle of the thing" situations. Don't cut off your nose to spite your own face.
The entirety of pro-brexit arguments amount to your last 3 sentences.
@@sixstarhorizon295 😂😂so true
No different that agriculture, it's a profit driven industry and naff all to do with feeding a nations population. You do realise I'm sure that had the UK Govt not sold out the fishing industry it would have created thousands of long term sustainable jobs , directly and associated industries. I'm sure you are also aware that the number 1 fish that Brits Eat is cod, second is Haddock so why do the French have 90.2% of the cod quota and 65% of the Haddock Quota in the Channel so the reality is the French,Dutch etc catch the fish in UK waters, take it back to France,Netherlands and then ship it back to the UK.
The UK incidentally is a net importer of fish so the Deal makes no sense whatsoever. In a time when we are fed on a daily basis a diatribe of saving the planet it makes no sense us importing fish. It does seem from your post that you don't actually understand the facts.
4:13 I am quite disappointed only now that this fact is raised. This issue has been misunderstood by almost everyone on both sides of the Brexit argument, including the ones directly involved in it - the fishermen. The low quota that causes the struggle of the average fishermen in the UK is not because the EU takes all the quota for themselves, or because the fishermen sold their quota to EU fishermen. It is the UK government itself that allocates too small a quota for the common fishermen, while giving large portion of it to the big companies.
A third of UK fishing quota is owned by just 5 companies, so much so that they don't even use all of it and therefore sold it to EU companies, hence the misunderstanding that UK fishermen sold their quota to EU ones. It's not the average fishermen who sold theirs, it's the big companies, who are given more than they need. The average UK fishermen don't even have enough in the first place. And that got nothing to do with the EU. It's the UK government who are in the pocket of big companies.
Yep they blame the EU yet the UK government still has control over the fisheries
Thank you TLDR, for always providing concise and rational analysis of issues that are almost always discussed at extreme length, but extremely superficially. You have provided an essentiel service to so many people during Brexit, contextualizing the process and decisions in a way not many other media outlets have. Really appreciate it, and I have full confidence your format will continue to succeed post-Brexit. Cheers from France.
As I understood the UK doesn’t even have the equipment or the fishermen to fill the quotas if the EU was to be denied access to uk waters.
Pretty much, I live in a historically strong fishing town and most of the old fishing infrastructure is basically gone: Smoking fish is basically gone, rails that used to transport fish are gone and there are more butchers in town than there are fishmongers 🤷♂️
The fishing industry died because of declining domestic consumption since most of our fish was prepared to be sent to London.
No mention of the announcement of government funding boost (£15.4m) for the English fishing industry.
the fisheries issues - we have a description for this in our language: " dust blown in your eyes"
Just to note: "whiting" is pronounced "white-ing".
I came looking for this comment.
@@mortified776 Same here I know it is White ing. :-) You can see that Jack does not each much fish either. :-)
How could anyone think any different!?
and today's spelling mistake is.... condecending
Will the NHS get the £350,000,000 weekly pay-out every Monday or every Friday starting 1st Jan 2021?
The bus said "lets fund the NHS". It never said the £350million world go to the NHS. Look at the facts before preaching BS German boy.
@@jamesmichaels4979 master of syntax I see
@@jamesmichaels4979 "We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund our NHS instead."
And you're really trying to say this doesn't mean give the NHS an extra £350m a week? 🤔
Do you understand the English language?
@@adamspencer95 Being German for me this was the only relevant point in the discussion. Sounds good, no membership thus more money for the NHS, logically for a health system that is reaching its limits. It works better in Switzerland with the so called Bürgerversicherung. But the net number was wrong, the EU financially supports UK agriculture (NI,W), nuclear energy and more projects. So the number must be reduced. Being criticized Michael Gove said "These were not my numbers" but he did not mind being posing in front of the red bus together with Johnson and Farage. Additionally: Boris Johnson said in Parliament that other nations will get money from the UK, nations that "are of our national interest", so the sum must be differentiated. By the way, a million is nothing, an increase of 1 Cent (€) a day means a profit of 54 Million € for North-Rhine-Westfalia, one can hardly believe it.
Adam Spencer
Grammatically it doesn’t necessarily mean sending 350million a week to the NHS it says let’s fund our NHS which the government have been doing and will continue to do as part of their manifesto pledge It would be nice if you could bother to learn English
I believe fish was popular until we discovered chickens
Could you please do a video comparing the new UK-EU deal to the Norway-EU deal, since that was a heavily talked about topic
Dear Ben B123, Norway + would have been a good alternative but Norway and the EU have free movement, and as free movement was considered by the people
as immigration, Norway+ was soon cancelled.
Norway is in the EU single market, including the 4 freedoms and following EU rules and regulations. But it is not in the custom union, so custom checks do apply (while they are 0% tariffs and no quotas).
UK will only have a normal trade deal, so only goods are covered, not services (which are 80% of UK economy). Furthermore, UK goods do not automatically comply with EU standards, which requires expensive certificates. Custom checks do apply, too. And not even all goods are allowed to be sold (famously Scottish potato seeds are forbidden).
They're not directly comparable anyway, given Norway is in EFTA.
A bit of a tangent but something should be worth checking for the EU channel: It seems that all around europe, the EU deals and regulations are blamed for screwing local economies, for instance, in Portugal both CFP and CAP are blamed for us not having a strong fishing or agricultural industry while, in fact, mismanagement of both these industries and of European funds were the main reasons for it...
I'm guessing this is also true in almost all of EU, local governments and local entrepreneurs tank the companies and the EU is blamed somehow.
That's scapegoating 1.0.1
Often when politicians are cornered about a topic where they're at fault they put the fingers in direction of Brussels. And The EU is not perfect, far from it, but people often don't even know how it works so they tend to see it as a nefarious and obscure organisation.
@@paulbismuth10 the funny thing, at least over here, is that politicians blame each other but the people tend to blame the EU.
For instance, during the Troika intervention in Portugal, the government at the time went way beyond what was requested by the EU, this was public, and yet people still blame the EU for the sacrifices
I mean, it DOES come from the Cod wars but that rolls into the common fisheries as the quota distribution is base on fishing vessel distribution prior to the Cod wars. And when the UK vessels lost access to Icelandic waters (which is where the vast majority of British fishing was, Grimsby alone for example had some 650 fishing vessels who all fished Icelandic waters and became homeless), accommodation was not made for that in the common fisheries, meaning all the vessels fishing in the North Atlantic and arctic were functionally destroyed.
If you took UK vessels fishing in the European area into account, rather than just those waters in the common fisheries, then we would have walked away with some 80% of all the fishing quota in North West Europe as we had by some margin the biggest fishing fleet in the world, which is why the EU flatly refused to renegotiate and also why Iceland and to an extent Norway will never join the EU. The structure of the common fisheries would mean if both they and the UK are ever in the common fisheries at the same time their fishing industry dies over night with virtually all their quota going to the UK.
Since you repeated that the fish part of the deal wasn’t that important economically, you could have focused also on other parts of the deal
During my youth, I lived in the Hebrides, islands off the west coast of Scotland. I lived almost self-sufficient. Mackeral was so easy to catch in abundance and I found them tasty and nutritious.
So... Blue Passports.
Well, that was worth it.
And we could have had those even if we had stayed in the EU
This is why the stupid shouldn't be allowed too vote. Ever.
@@fuckyouyoutube9579 You scuppered yourself with the spelling of a two-letter word.
@@crose7412 using a mobile device to auto toe and understanding concepts are different.
Stupid people should be banned from voting. Ever.
@@fuckyouyoutube9579
1. Say stupid people "shouldn't be allowed too [sic] vote."
2. Messes up to/too.
So, you're saying you shouldn't be allowed to vote? Noted.
I sympathise with the fishermen and the towns that are built around that industry. But also, we can’t decide the future of our entire economy based on fish. We’re going to have to find ways for those coastal areas to diversify their economies.
Well, Johnson sacrifices services, which is 80% of UK`s economy.
Maybe the reason Brits don't eat as much fish is because it's so expensive. Surely if we had the opportunity to buy fish at a more reasonable price, more people would buy it. The supply is restricted so the price is high.
No he gave the fishermen a lifeline.
But he did kill off the service and bank sector.
What was he thinking?
he wasn't thinking..
yo, alteast now you got some point control immigration system, that erm, would've been a good idea, 10 or so years ago, then pound was at the top of the pillar
@@aurelijus1 and now the pound has dropped 30%...
You got a blue passport and it only cost you 1/3 of your savings
negotiation on financial service will kick off soon. wasn't the point of Brexit to say giant fuck up to the City anyway
That lifeline was actually a noose.
No. He betrayed Britain as a whole, but he's not the only one.
We warned you lot not to trust a Tory, but did you listen?...
@@Ireland2033 Yes, because trusting a leftist has worked out so well in the past.
@@cavscout7113 who said you had to trust a leftist? But if we want to go on track records, the Tories have screwed the common worker in the UK more times than any other political party. They have a track record of destroying working class communities.
@Cav Scout71 not meant as an insult! Its a deduction from your post. nobody mentions "trusting a leftist", you dont even know what that means (what would that "leftist" stand for)...you make up stuff in your mind, and then act on it. Thats by definition an idiot.
Get Brexit done, by EU terms 🤣 How stooopid you need to be to think you can leave eu being almost In the middle of it, plus not being an economic giant like USA
You deserve an award for good journalism especially for this comprehensive and complex video. Thank you all at TLDR!
Yeah, I don't think they were "betrayed". We are getting more of a share of our fisheries with EU share going down whilst still maintaining a good trading relationship with the EU to sell the fish to. Even if we had 100% of our fisheries, we can't even catch the whole share (and we don't want to). So I think it's a decent compromise. I also think Nicola is doing her usual thing and talking out of her arse. You could do anything and give anything and she'd be saying the same anti-UK toxic nonsense either way
Well said
Should do a video on how aquaculture is a bigger industry than fishing, and how this will make fishing even more irrelevant in the near future. (we are arguing over horse production as the automobile is ramping up)
hope the Tories will have the sense to put funds into fishing communities to transition into aquaculture as a way to appease to the industry. EU (or France) probably need to do the same to be honest
@@vinniechan They are doing it, and numbers are starting to get quite high in some countries, but it is an industry that takes many years to set up for profit, so its a slow moving investment.
@@juanmola2000 , who are doing it, the Tories or the EU or both?
It might have be a great strategy if it meant financial services had unrestricted access to the EU included in the deal but they're not even covered. The EU has a trade surplus in goods and gets unrestricted access to the UK, it's also allowed to apply tariffs for unfair practices. As far as services goes (which the UK has a surplus in) the EU can do what they like, when they like, with no penalties.
Welcome to the post Brexit world, were the UK bends over for deals with bigger economies. The US, China and India must be salivating at the prospect of doing a trade deal with the clowns that negotiated this one.
Somehow a lot of English can't grasp this situation as you described, while outside of the UK the rest of the world does see the factual situation
If it helps, Danish fishermen are very unsatisfied with this deal too. A gain of 25% might seem small, but a loss of 25% is destructive.
UK doesn’t have the boats to fish, so no change
It is my understanding that regardless of any deal, foreign companies would continue to own over half the British quotas, because the UK Government, unlike any other, allowed fishermen to sell them as far back as Thatcher. Thus, Fleetwood were the first to sell them to Spanish fishermen, even before Spain joined the EU. The reasoning was that the British fishermen were not interested in catching fish in UK waters as they preferred to catch in the North Sea around Iceland. After the Cod Wars they realized their mistake, but it was too late. Furthermore, a White Paper published a year ago admitted Brexit would not change ownership. So whilst the UK could set quotas, whatever amount was allocated per fish type, the same proportion as before would belong to the foreign companies. Has this deal done anything to change that?
Yup, that's the real reason the UK's fishing industry was devastated. IIRC, the ability to trade quotas like that wasn't originally part of the CFP, but something the Tories insisted on being part of it.
@@talideon I didn't know the Tories insisted on it. Doesn't surprise me as Thatcher was all for a quick buck.
The deal also doesn't cover services...
EU pushed back on any sort of extensive financial agreement unless it was fully regulated by the EU/ECB.
I might have missed this but do we still get access to their waters as well?
They didn't mention this in the video.
I'd assume the UK access would be deconstructed in a similar manner, but idk, I haven't read it as it's too long.
Yes. That's part of why the whole thing is so ridiculous. A large amount of the British fleet fish in Ireland's EEZ for that very reason.
@@miseisean2847 You misunderstood me, and you misunderstand how the quota system works: previous to all this, the British fleet were able to ship in European waters. Once Brexit kicked in, that stopped being the case. I'm not saying they can *now.* As to this being unfair to the UK, it's not, and it's all down to a Tory own-goal back in the '80s: they wanted a market for fishing quotas. British fishermen, unlike the rest of Europe, to advantage of this an cashed out. Those non-British boats fishing in British waters are fishing on the *British quota* - the EU is only requiring the UK respect their property rights. If the UK wanted to, they could buy the owners of the quotas out, but it's been much more politically advantageous to ignore that.
The reason why British people don't each as much fish now is because of the price of fish, which is due to the EU. If we had 100% access to our waters (which we're entitled to), then we could eat like Japan.
Fish is viewed as less preferable than chicken and steak. Aswell as fish being expensive isn’t the issue chicken being so cheap is.
"Fishing has been sacrified for other national objectives."
Say what?
Doesn't he understand that the service industry, which is about 250 time bigger, didn't get enough attention because all the Brexidiots were focused only on the dumb fishing issue?
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They didn't want financial services as a part of the deal. The city of london has had it's own laws for over a thousand years, they don't want the eu or the uk to change them. Not even william the conqueror could.
It's hilarious that you can pretty consistently skip the first minute of every TLDR News video without missing any of the actual content 😂
If you skip it, how do you know ?
@@stevef1639 I don't skip it, that's how I know... Though I do often put it on >4x play speed, and/or use the forward arrow to skip in 5 second chunks. I usually watch the rest of it at 2x anyway.
Pretty worthless on the whole. Undiluted Mercantilism.
lol so you're shitting on them for having an intro??
An almost identical minute long into I've seen maybe 100 times or more... It's not very respectful of your audiences time. Unless they think we need out hands holding and forgot what the title/thumbnail said before we clicked it... Oh and did you know there's a TLDR colouring book, marketed to adults? And pin badges of countries personified with feet! Three sentences stretched out into a minute of content... Can't help feeling like it might sometimes be used as padding to reach the magical 10 minute mark. Kind of ironic from a channel named TLDR 🤣
Why are we talking about fishing, when this industry is destroying the oceans? We must STOP fishing.
Our government pays lip service to the environment. We are on course for destroying the planet because of idiocy & greed.
Ban supertrawlers, pay compensation to the owners, encourage them to downsize, train and employ crew whilst the stocks recover and bring back the fishing of the pre 1960s.
Thank you for taking the time to research and share your knowledge with the world! Appreciate it!
tbh, it would be much better for Britain to just ignore fisheries altogether, give all their quota to the EU and pay extra money just to have the services deal, which they don't have
No worries the Brits are great at services - In fact we are great at everything where we do things sitting down!
Before the last of the cod wars the waters were considered international for fishing. Iceland claimed a 200 mile fishing limit and eventually won. The following day Britain imposed its own 200 mile limit which became the 200 mile EEZ (which I pronounced Eee, Eee, Zed. What is this Zee thing? Bah, humbug!).
I pronounce it just like you :)
Zed's dead baby!
Is this a joke? Americans pronounce Z as Zee.
Then it started selling the quotas to the highest bidder, who weren't necessarily British or fishermen, who had the bigger boats, who couldn't get into the docks, , ect, ect..
@@shiozhu5643 exactly. Some American usage is, would you believe, as it was in England in the past, but in England today most pronounce Z as Zed.
He's definitely betrayed the financial industry.
The betrayal came when he promised them something no prim minister could deliver in order to whip up support. This is just the inevitable reveal of that betrayal
well those in the financial industry can now start a new career in fishing.
Why betraying? UK wanted Brexit. EU and UK can and probably will negotiate further agreements, e.g. for the service sector.
@@capricorn1970i Further agreements in which the UK will always be on the backfoot when negotiating. Essentially it would lead to the UK following (most of) the EU laws regarding those sectors, without actually voting on those laws.
@@StratosTitan was there any other path? Doing business with the EU without following their rules?
It was clear from the start that Brexit could only work if the UK was to compensate lost business with the EU with other foreign markets.
UK lost almost 5 years, refusing to negotiate with the EU and not seeking for alternatives. Ultimately relying on a deal.
It did not good and could not end well
Been waiting for this
How come fishing wasn't an issue and advertised on the side of a bus 4.5 years ago? And Farage never attended an EU Fisheries meeting when he was somewhat in charge? It was all about the level playing field, so the EU ended up giving BJ a pointless "win".
It's not like Fishing is a "winning" topic for the ex-Empire. Three defeats in a row against Iceland are not easily forgotten.
Is the football defeat included?
I wish people would stop going on about how much financial services are "worth" given that they operate at a net loss to the country when you take away all the endless subsidies.
There is no trade agreement for financial service's,
A W H that' fake news and you are a Troll!
Just because they don't pay taxes doesn't mean they operate at a loss. Trade in services is how the UK makes its money.
@@jounik I didn't mention the taxes I referred to subsidies but thanks for reminding me just how little they contribute to society.
fishing villages are dying because it is more efficient economically to use huge boats. This whole struggle is stupid, you can't go against the march of time.
Just a heads up, you mentioned that the previous explanation of the deal from Christmas eve is linked in the description, I don't think its been put in
Just another step forward to Scottish Independence.
Comically the vast majority of UK finishing happens in Scottish waters. So all of this will be pointless when we leave and the UK must negotiate its access to our waters.
@@AlwaysAC which only shows that fishing was just a smoke screen. Although your story could blow up if those few Islands that are part of Scotland want to stay in the UK, then the fishing waters will stay British. As an outsider I had no idea that the independence feelings of these Islands was an issue and why they feel they are not part of Scotland. One learns something new every day
@Peto Pedro Wales just might surprise everyone. You never hear much about Wales outside of the UK, so it is relatively unknown for any separatist sentiment unlike Scotland. Seeing how much independence ideas have grown in only 3 or 4 years it might take of faster than anyone would have for seen. Scotland is gone, I am quit sure if that, unless Westminster comes up with promises of federalisation of the UK. Which promise if course will be dropped the day after the referendum result. Curious to see how the Wales issue will develop.
@Peto Pedro not sure I understand your reply
@Peto Pedro UK gov also helps itself to Scot resources rather liberally.
I miss Bercow...
Why would the UK need to fish any other waters but are own. If only the British Fish them. 😎👍
Once again, excellent video and crystal clear explanation TLDR, you guys are awesome! Love from Portugal ❤
Who could've thought Johnson would back stab us 🙄
Why is Services not included in the deal? They are over 60% of UK GDP but are ignored! Fish is tiny by comparison - but agree it is an emotional/sovereignty issue. But....no services??? Major error.
Service are actually 80%. Reason is simple: on goods, the EU has a trade surplus with the UK, on services, its the other way around. In trade deals the bigger one gets what it wants. The EU continues to sell goods to the UK, while taking away the one advantage the UK had over the EU.
Great deal, indeed.
Can we get some more videos going in depth on different aspects of the deal?
We should have kept all fish for ourselves and changed unemployment benefits to be: shellfish.
EEC? Surely it's an EEZ: e; e; zed.
From my perch in 🇨🇦, I too was taken aback by his pronunciation of the 26th letter of the alphabet as anything but "zed"... Surely he's not selling out to a US-based audience on this channel...?
@@PeloquinDavid I notice so many Merkin pronunciations on CZcams I have come to a hypothesis that many channels using British accents actually use robot voices that speak Merkin content with Merkin pronunciation (accent and pronunciation being different).
It really pi55e5 me off!
It could be worse: he could say "Going forward". Hold on: HE DID.
Selling out? Sold out. (Going backward).
I think he said, EEC. An ancient word which most of us have to dive to remember what it stands for... European Economic Community.
Scottish Tory Supports
1 Farmers
2 Fishers
3 Rich feckers
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You don't like governments?
The EU is one
The EU will feed you to the wolves as soon look at ya
@@daveyturner100 You're right, that's why she had Ireland's back
Yes, of course it's reasonable to give access to our waters in return for access to theirs. One thing I never heard mentioned in your report though is that the fishing industry is complaining that there is no provision in the deal to allow British fisherman to trade their unwanted catches. IE they get the catch that we can't sell here for the catch that they can't sell there. New red tape and delays on exports will see this oversight costing jobs and livelihoods.
Good video, explaining clearer the subject.
Fishing was just a diversion of BOJO for the rest of the Brexit agreement
question: is this deal better or worse than Theresa May's deal?
That's not the right question. Comparing what you have to whatever scenario that never happened is pointless. What you should be asking is: "Is this deal better than what I had before?"
You never had a tm deal, so what is the point in comparing it. Compare with what you had is the only valid comparison.
Still makes for an interesting through experience.
Also I'm not British, so I just want to know if Johnson actually did a better job or not.
@@acediadekay3793
If May's withdrawal agreement had been accepted in Westminster, then all of the UK had been in the Customs Union, not only Northern Ireland.
It had been quite another deal.
Less sovereignty but more trade. May also would never, hopefully!, have weakened and worsened her situation as Boris and Cummings did with the Intermal Market Bill.
@@jmolofsson So the only way for Johnson's deal be viewed as a the better deal of the two, depends on whether or not The UK's greater sovereignty can make up for incoming blow to the UK's trade?
Mcdonalds Filet-o-Fish and fish fingers are either Hoki or Alaska Pollock according to their website.
Well from what I understand, it was either (no deal) all the fish with all the tariffs or (a deal) a bit more fish with no tariffs renegotiable after 5.5 years. So I think a deal is overall more beneficial. But then I don’t like fish or sea food.
10:12 'Whiting' is pronounced 'why ting' It just highlights how little fish the average brit eats, not even able to pronounce the fish names correctly ; )
I think the British have a cultural fear of losing control of their seas
Britannia rules the waves
@@gabeadams2926 Britannia waves the rules
@@gabeadams2926 yes. You do.
Fishing seems to occupy the same political headspace as the coal industry in the USA
The sea is the reason why England hasn't been conquered by a foreign power in a thousand years
Can someone explain to me why Nicola Sturgeon is annoyed with the fishing rights part of the deal?
She wanted to stay in the EU, where the quotas would have stayed the same.
With the deal Scotland gets a *bit* more of the quota, and can sell it in the EU without tariffs.
Am I missing something, or does she always make everything about wanting another independence referendum?
Thanks, very enlightening
You only have to go to costal towns like lowestoft, Great Yarmouth and Skegness to see that fishing has been removed from those Towns and they have suffered for it.
OK, but is that due to over-fishing, changes in customs and habits, inability to fish in non-UK waters, consolidation of fishing in massive corporations, or alternative employment elsewhere? Is this really something to do with the EU? You can lament the loss of blacksmith jobs, but can an agreement with the EU bring those jobs back and is it the EU's fault?
@@AnexoRialto You can correlate the economic decline of these towns with the joining of the single market. I don't think its reversible and it will solve nothing by trying to restore it but you can blame it on it.
@@lambenstien5207 Hardly the EUs fault overfishing has been going on for 118 years, plus modern technology, bigger businesses, bigger boats. Nothing that didn’t happen across the world in all industry.
@@andrew300169 I don't care about over fishing but giving the fishing waters of british fisherman to other parts of the EU was stupid in the first place.
@@lambenstien5207 so you stated over fishing was as the result of the EU, I showed you it wasn’t, now you don’t care about overfishing🤷🏽♂️
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The modern British economy is services. The deal covers goods. So UK`s most important sector is sacrificed.
It's spelt Dim not Dym!
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The problem with brexit is that it should never have been put to a referendum. People are not aware of the huge ramifications of leaving geo political organizations. What Borris got for the Fishing in the UK might be the best deal possible, but its still a bad one (for the UK). Cause the fact is there was never going to be a good situation for the UK in brexit. Since the UK has the weaker hand in the negotiations from the very start.
So you are no fan of democracy then ?
@@daveyturner100 If you still think a 1% majority is democracy, then you're either an idiot or a liar.
@@daveyturner100 It's actually a very interesting question. Back when democracy was still a young and radical idea, one of the easiest arguments made against it was that ordinary citizens simply do not have the expertise to make informed decisions on anything but the most local level. This complaint persisted (see Churchill's quotes about how democracy is the worst form of government, and the best argument against it is a conversation with the average voter). And the world has only become bigger and more complex since then - now, not only do ordinary voters lack the time to become experts in tax policy, economics, foreign relations, national defence AND the social welfare system, even their representatives often don't have the time. The (imperfect) solution is (and always has been) that voters must pass the legitimacy to make decisions on to their representatives in the form of a vote, who in turn must pass the legitimacy on to civil servants who actually are the ones making day-to-day decisions. Everybody is ultimately responsible to voters, but through a filter of expertise that helps actually deliver voters' intentions.
All that to say that the current discourse's preference for "direct democracy" as "more legitimate" is... Overly simplistic.
@@HansVonMannschaft if the 1% went your way then you would have accepted that wouldn't you.
@@daveyturner100 Indeed, but it would certainly be a mandate for renegotiating our relationship with the EU. That's what democracy is, it's not winner takes all, it's comprimise. A 1% margin is not a mandate to go hard Brexit and you know it.
I live near enough a fishing village, and remember as a kid going to the market, where there'd be 20 stalls selling massive crabs; I'm sure they sold other stuff but I liked the crabs. If you go there now, there'll 2 stalls selling stunted little things. The golden age of fishing ain't coming back.
So wait? A huge part of the whole Brexit thing is wanting to be allowed to fish freely in your own waters, but you don't like the fish there?
Pretty much, it seems illogical but that’s what happens when people are desperate. Lots of the English East coast have been struggling economically so some got convinced that Brexit and Fishing are the solution as they have historically had a history of fishing.
Soooooooo, Johnson didn't betray the Fishing industry? Well done Boris 👍🧐