Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan - Full Audio Commentary (MauLer and Drinker)
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2023
- So this is a first for us. I managed to persuade MauLer to watch Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan for the first time, and record our thoughts as we watched it together, so this is our full length commentary track. For reference, we watched the Director's Cut of the film, so grab your copy and set phasers to stunning!
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Shatner did a show in Detroit last night. They showed the director's cut of The Wrath of Khan and afterwards Shatner came on stage and did a two hour show. His stories were incredible and hilarious. I was lucky enough to snag front row seats to the show.
I remember the boomer fight that Shatner and Red Letter Media fans got into because he thought RLM was a podcast, it was funny as hell
@@DutyStalker357 That show runner on the new Picard season was sending out the entire season before it aired to popular CZcamsrs who cover Star Trek and pop culture I really didn't understand why he never give RLM exclusive access they're massive Trek fans
Very lucky being in the presence of a living legend.
@@laurarules3642 I was wondering this too but I'm thinking they probably didn't ask or reach out, don't see RLM involved much with other youtubers and I think most of these guys that got early access was through knowing someone. They all prolly got into touch with Terry through Robert Meyer Burnett I'd bet
We all need to get as much Shatner as we can. Before it is too late.
Ultimate proof the quality of this film is that I listened to this stream without rewatching and I knew exactly every scene playing back in my mind
(I think) it's also because the pace of cuts between shots was slower so as a viewer you are able to drink in more of each shot and scene.
I think it is also because we have all seen it a 100 times. Because it is so good.
As I was watching it, I felt the same way. Like I could listen to it in the car and see the movie playing in my head with perfect recall.
That's because you're awesome.
If I were to play the movie along with the video (which I did with their Star Trek IV commentary that just came out) I would be watching the movie instead of listening to them. xD Had to keep it off and just play it in my head from memory. What a great film.
The total silence between Drinker and Mauler during the scene of Kirk and Spock just before he dies speaks volumes of just how well that scene was done.
Film starts at 7:21 for those wondering. Also, in the future, it would help if you had the runtime displayed at the bottom or have the occasional clip play onscreen so everyone listening knows where you are so they don’t fall behind. YMS does this for his commentaries. Otherwise, I would love to see more of these in the future!
Drinker mentioned in Open Bar 40 that Paramount's copyright rules are quite harsh. So I'm assuming that could be the reason there's no clip throughout.
LOL, try listening to the commentary while watching the original theatrical cut! Luckily if you're familiar with both you kind of know how long to pause the film for.
Yup unwatchable. Listenable with your imagination tho
yes, runtime on display
this
I watched this movie recently. Got to say, I was mesmerized by Khan. Ricardo Montalban's acting was so intense it gave me chills. And Spock sacrificing himself heroically "for the many" was heart wrenching.
Mauler and Drinker talking Classic Trek is something I need much, MUCH more of
Mauler being a trek newbie gives a great layer to it as well
...starting with Space Seed! ;-)
Yes please.
Yup. Agree 100% this was as good as any Happy Hour, and better than most. Tough to have a bad commentary about the greatest Trek film of all time.
This was terrific, wasn't it? I want them to do ST6 sometime.
I went to university with a guy named Khan, and we may or may not have drunkenly yelled 'Kaaaaahhhnnn!' at the top of our lungs trying to find him after getting out of a bar one night. 🤣
I went to high school with a guy named Khan, and I would always yell his name like that to get his attention. He'd never seen Star Treck before, so it always confused him.
This is dream content. Mauler finally...finally...entering the Trek canon, with Drinker as his guide? Goodness gracious.
God I want an undiscovered country of these. I'd love to hear a good compare and contrast from maulers perspective.
Saw this at a drive-in, I'm that old, with my mom, brother, and a friend of ours. At the Spock death scene and funeral, my mom was crying her eyes out while we were horrible boys cackling about it. As a man, I understand why she cried. Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, "hers" was the most . . . human.
This is a beauty. Peace to you.
Peace and long life 🖖
I'm grateful for Mauler's take as an outsider. He pointed out things that I hadn't noticed as a devoted Khan lover. This was ace.
You're a khan lover? Woah
A fresh set of eyes sees things afresh.
Paul Winfield who plays the captain in this movie was also in Darmok the only other Star Trek Mauler has seen .
And the easy-going police captain, in The Terminator.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Paul Winfield was a fantastic actor! He always played interesting characters.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
He was also vaporized again in Mars Attacks.
My grandfather raised me and made me watch the originals from 1 to to present I was 3 years old the first time I watched The Wrath of Khan it in 1987 and I cried when Spock died. It shaped my view of everything especially science and math at a very very young age.
I've seen Wrath of Kahn many times, listening to these two unscripted over it was a thoroughly pleasant new way to enjoy it. I would definitely welcome more of these.
Another fun fact: the cityscape outside Kirk's apartment is the same backdrop as was used in Irwin Allen's The Towering Inferno (1974).
Very interesting!
An important thing to remember is that Vulcans aren't without emotions. They're the same genetic stock as Romulans. Vulcans are, however, rigorously trained to suppress their emotions. On extreme occasions - or during Pon Farr - they may not be entirely successful in doing so.
Another thing to remember is that canonically Saavik is half-Romulan, which is one of the reasons why Spock was personally mentoring her (in the novelization and a scene that was cut from the Starfleet Academy sequence at the beginning of the movie). Unforunately the producers forgot this little tidbit when they made ST3, which is why Kirstie Allie is sometimes emotional while Robin Curtis was completely unemotional the whole time.
Opposite-- canonically they never acknowledged she is part Romulan, it's only in the book, but it was in the film script in a scene they cut and explains a lot of her suppressed volatility
@@r.l.royalljr.3905 OR Saavik is going full-tilt non-emotional to honor Spock. ;-)
Yaaay, Mauler finally becoming one of us!
From hells heart I stab at thee. What a line
It's a quote from Moby-Dick by Herman Melville.
I do love how the OG had a theatrical flair, and they drew on classic works.
Fun fact, for those who don’t know, Bones’ medical instruments in the original series were actually salt and pepper shakers that the prop guys thought looked “futuristic”.
Omg !! 😂
Please keep doing these-it's great to contrast Drinker, a deep fan who understands the original is in fact the OG, with Mauler, who (grew up in an Amish colony?) is coming to these for the first time, having only the modern dreck as background and seeing his takes fresh. Thank you boys!
It surprises me to learn Mauler hasn't watched Wrath Of Khan. 😲😲😲
He's in for a real cinematic treat. 🙂😁
I enjoyed this, and it helps a lot that Mauler is new to these movies. It amazes me that The Critical Drinker appreciates the original cast as much since he was not even born back then.
Neither was I born,.. but these films and the original stand up to anything else.
Aye, it's always nice to see that what we loved in the past is still good enough to be appreciated by a new audience... confirming Timelessness win! :)
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I was barely born and am a fairly die-hard Star Wars geek, but i've seen pretty much all of Star Trek up until i stopped watching things that came out after Enterprise ended. I've been called a Trekkie and i guess i can't really argue with that, although ST has definitely been "all over the place", so-to-speak, compared to a lot of other franchises... meaning the variety of writers, directors, actors, and ofc, episodic nature alone has made big differences between each installment. It's also sort of "the nature of the beast" in that ST likes to be a platform for socio-political commentary and whatnot, but i'll stop this ramble now an get on with watching ST3 & 4 now :D
I was born in 82 and the original crew is what star trek started as for me too, even if I wasn’t around for the original series of course. Was a fan of the 80s movies before I got into TNG. I guess Drinker is in his early 30s? So a bit younger, but still.
@@A_Noid Yep. I've re-watched TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY a bunch of times at this point... TOS is classic but from a tv show point of view; kind of bad. TNG is a bit better, it ran for longer, has a few more ep. that are good, whereas TOS really only has a few ep that are what i would call overall "good eps". Don't get me wrong, i still like them all, but... objectively, speaking as a critic (which i am not usually, since i personally like it just b/c it's ST and isn't pushing THE MESSAGE or bad writing like the recent crap), some eps are better than others from a sort of neutral critic or first-time-watcher perspective. Or even when you compare it to other shows like B5, X-Files or whatever. It's a complex issue that i could write a ton more about but i guess you probably know what i'm talking about... the franchise definitely evolves over time, TNG was a new evolution and things like the first 1-2 seasons of TNG and VOY were kind of weaker than the others... maybe TOS would have gotten way better had it ran for longer... as an example, who knows.
Both STII:TWoK and STVI:TUC were directed by Nicholas Meyer... I gues THAT's probably the reason why both are considered the best of the batch.
PLEASE do more of these, they are awesome!
I watched this film with my children (aged 11 and 13) recently and they both absolutely loved it. A timeless classic that has aged really well and bears rewatching.
I remember it fondly I saw this in the theaters in 1982 when I was 10 years old. The audience was enthralled and into every minute. It's still one of my favorites.
It was a great time to be alive, wasn't it ! I was 11 or 12 when I saw this film, in 1982. It was wonderful, and I have loved it ever since.
@@RRTNZ 🤟
I randomly decided to watch Wrath of Khan a couple hours ago out of the blue. The universe is strangely awesome. 👍
Chills....
Please watch Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi (both the original releases) so we can all join again for Mauler and Drinker covering those movies next. Many thanks for your efforts.
@@TheRadioAteMyTV yeah, even over purchasing lotto tix.
@@TheRadioAteMyTV I’ll give it my best effort 🤞😁
I haven’t watched it yet for the record. Sorry folks. I’ll get right on that, I internet-promise you. 😎
I need more of Mauler watching Star Trek movies. It might make him finally watch the TV series
My Father took me to see this movie when it was originally released. I was 6 at the time. I have seen it many times since then, but it has always been one of my favorite movies. Thanks so much for doing this commentary, brought back a lot of good memories, and it is nice to hear two commentators whose opinions I respect, enjoy all the same aspects of the film that I have for so may years.
This was one of the first movies I was able to watch with my dad. I'll always have fond memories
Same. My dad took me to see TMP, WOK, and SFS in the theater. Best childhood memories ever. 🙂🙂
Absolutely on board for more commentaries like this. It's great to be able to share in both of your enthusiasm and love for great filmmaking! Hail Drinker and the Longman!
Same. Prefer this to Open Bar. Would definitely tune in for more of these.
I am old enough to see at the theater during premier weekend; the attendees really got into it. As with many movies of this genre, it was the villain who made it a classic. The soundtrack is great.
The movie fully embraced the idea of Star Fleet as a space naval force and the keeper of naval traditions, including, bell bottom trousers and referring to Lt. Saavik as Mr. Saavik. The director stated he was doing Horatio Hornblower in space.
The new season of Picard had 7 of 9 take the ship out of space dock. The scene was a direct call back to Lt. Saavik taking Enterprise out of space dock.
It says something about the timeliness of Charles Dickens that both this movie and the ending of Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy directly quote from the ending of Dickens' "Tale of Two Cities" to find a way to eulogize sacrifice.
I remember seeing it in 1982. So great!
Except Picard is sh*t
Got to see it at a drive in first then a regular walk in a week or so later. Parents were split and both Trek fans which made a lot of those experiences double up. First time I found out that drive ins would replay the first movie a lot of times after the regular showings were done.
I was just a kid and waited in line for 2 hours to see it in the theatre. Thankfully the people exiting went around the block the other way so we didn't hear spoilers in the lineup lol...
1982 might be the greatest year in Western cinema. And this, and ET were my favourite films of 82. I love this movie, saw it while visiting family back in Wales and have seen it dozens of times since.
2:01:00 - You guys were *perfect* with the commentary. You were silent when you should have been, relevant every time you spoke, and were incredibly entertaining and informative! Thank you again!
What a massive coincidence. I’m going to see this tonight hosted by William Shatner, with a photo op. Bucket list meet & greet.
wow! respect,
I met Shatner at a similar thing down here in 2011. He was hilarious. Hope you had a great time mate !
I walked around listening to this while shopping. I could picture everything, having seen it so often. I want MORE!!!
I was 17 when STMP came out. I had been waiting my whole life at that point for something like that movie. The amount of "ship porn" was perfect for me. I Ioved (and still love) to see that scene in STMP. The Enterprise is still the best space ship I've ever seen. The original and the movie refit.
They make it feel authentic. The scale is wonderful.
Yeah, Drinker’s comment that it was good that ST2 cut back on the ship porn was the only real disagreement I had with this commentary. That tour around the Enterprise in TMP is a joy and a wonder, made perfect by Jerry Goldsmith’s magnificent score. Perfection.
@@MrWhipple42 I think you need to revisit TMP; TMP has a lot more focus on the visuals
Yeah that first scene where you get to see the Enterprise for the first time, it was perfect at the time.
I think a lot of people really miss commentaries on DVDs.
I do.
My favorite DVD commentaries are for The Goonies, Ghostbusters, Airplane! and The Naked Gun: From the Files of Police Squad!
I still buy Dvds of films and shows that I've enjoyed in the vain hope the industry will keep going and features like commentaries, behind the scenes, artwork still is available to fans.
Wrath of Khan was the best of the original films.
And First Contact was the best of the NG films. It all comes full circle
👍👍👍😊
The Undiscovered Country a close second
@@GarethColquhoun Agreed
Yes. Was in cinema back in the day. Feels like 100 years.
One of my favourite Star Trek film! Watched it at my local cinema 6 months ago, and had goosebumps!! Reminded me of my youth!
Very cool that your local cinema showed it. I’d love it if mine would. I saw this in the cinema when first released, and I was 27.
At 1:52:00 you guys discuss Saavik's open display of emotion at Spock's memorial service. One thing that got cut from the script that was present is that Saavik, like Spock, is only half Vulcan. Unlike Spock, her other half is Romulan.
She's half goddess
Also that Kirsty Allen's tears were real. The whole scene had the cast and crew crying while they filmed it and Kirsty could barely keep from blubbing. Rowen J Coleman's video on ST: WoK is excellent on the making of the film and the decisions taken.
Picked up the 4k remaster a few weeks ago. WOK has aged extremely well and James Horners score elevates the movie to a whole new level. One of my favorite movie scores of all time.
Then you must love Krull's soundtrack also. He used the music once more in a third movie but I can't remember which one it was. Horner was a great composer but he stole from himself more than Zimmeran, and that's a crazy large amount.
@@TheRadioAteMyTV More like a self-plagiarist. You can hear the Battle Beyond the Stars OST and it's really telling that most of the motifs of the tracks are transferred to WOK.
@@tyvamakes5226 He rips himself off in Aliens too. You can hear the "Reliant Theme" in the alien attack scene.
Horner's score during Kirk's rush to engineering/creation of the Genesis planet punches the whole scene up emotionally.
As good as Spock's death scene is, the most gutwrenching acting choice in the film by Shatner is when he trips over his words eulogizing Spock - "of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, hiswasthemost
human"
I never expected to sit here and listen to people watch Wrath of Khan, but I enjoyed it. I'm glad Mauler is discovering Star Trek. The Voyage Home has a special place for me, because it was the only one that my parents had a VHS of growing up, and I watched it over and over. But, I think Undiscovered Country is probably my favorite.
Hmmm do I want more of Drinker and Mauler watching/commentary on Star Trek...you ask gentlemen?
A resounding “Hell Yes!”from me.
Thoroughly enjoyed this so much.Thank you gents!
As for why they got Chekov, who didn't appear in Space Seed, instead of Sulu, apparently there is deleted/edited footage of an extended conversation with Kirk, Sulu, Bones and Uhura on the shuttle onroute to the Enterprise that discusses Sulu's recent promotion as commander of the Excelsior, where Sulu says, "Any chance to go aboard the Enterprise, however briefly, is always an excuse for nostalgia."
You can hear Sulu’s missing dialog in this short video: czcams.com/video/A2MCxyswqRY/video.html
Acting, Special Effects, Story, Soundtrack, Editing.....the list goes on.
40 years later, it still gives me a warm glow in my heart.
Easily (for me) the best Star Trek movie ever and having MauLer and TCD’s commentary is brilliant.
I agree and I think 5-7 could have been another brilliant trilogy if they'd been handled better...
An absolute pleasure to re-watch one of my favorite films with you guys. I know I've never met you, and you have no idea who I am, but it feels like spending a pleasant evening with good friends. Cheers.
Loved this! It finally gave me a boost to watch this movie for the first time in its entirety. Please keep doing commentaries!
Yes ! Totally agree. Glad that so many others loved this and are encouraging Drinker to do more - really hope he does.
ST2 was such a huge moment for me as a 9 year old at the cinema. Amazing movie. Enjoyed this commentary.
Thanks Critical Drinker and Mauler for doing this, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I would absolutely watch more of these, especially if you did them for the other Star Trek movies. I'd love to see Mauler's take as a new Trek fan of Star Trek 4, one of my favorites. Thanks again, and I can't wait for more!
Regarding why Chekov was moved to the USS Reliant, in TOS he was the navigator, he also took the conn occasionally and also took over Spock's science visor when Spock wasn't available. In TMP, he was moved to Security after the refit and from then on, he was kind of jack of all trades and you might see him working wherever he was needed (in a given parameter of his skills and abilities.)
Perhaps that came about when he was missing from the animated series? I forget the reason why. The writers of TOS also wrote for the animated version and they always held that the two series were canon.
@@skylx0812 Oh, yes. I remember a new character took the navigation spot in the animated series. I think he was called Arax or something similar and had 3 arms.
If I remember correctly, he may have been training for security during the animated series, but I could be wrong about that.
Chekov is a prodigy hence him.being so young he was basicly tos Wesley crusher
Definitely need more of this kind of content! I only listened and thoroughly enjoyed the commentary.
I’ve seen Wrath of Khan enough that I didn’t need to movie to follow along.
This is a perfect bedtime stuff, much relaxing and enjoyable. Good job!
Mauler and Drinker talking about movies? I absolutely want more of these, especially if we get more as good as this.
It’s been my first time ever watching a Star Trek movie with the original cast. Gotta say, I really enjoyed the experience sharing it with y’all. Thanks for that, I might even watch it again down the road.
As Drinker mentioned, 6 is awesome, 4 is solid (and a fun departure) and 3 is pretty good. 5 is atrocious. Happy original trek journey!
"We're the only ship in range," while overused to the point of being a cliché, makes perfect sense when you consider the vastness of space and the fact that Regula I would be out on the fringes by virtue of its research and purpose.
But not when they say they're the only ship in the QUADRANT, of which their galaxy has only four!
Watched this along with your dialogue it was good. Wrath of Khan is just so good, I watched this with my uncle when it came out and now this year I am 50 which is scary how quickly the years have gone. Thanks to both for this.
I saw this back in 1982, and just turned the same age as Kirk was on his birthday in Wrath of Khan. I may have aged but this film is just as great as it was when it first came out.
I watched as I listened to the commentary. This was so much fun! I saw this in the theater in my little tiny town when I was 13. I had a lot invested in the characters as I had watched the TOS episodes. This is what good movie making is, scenes that never get old even after 41 yrs. Would love to have more of these. It's also nice to watch with a true fan that can really appreciate the difference between good film making and the unbelievable amount of crap to pick from currently. Rewatching old favorites is much more satisfying than trying to find something new.
fantastic idea Drinker, please make more of this style of video. and holy shit thank you for convincing Mauler into taking the plunge into ST. I hope one day he gets to see some of the dialogue between Quark, Basheer, Garrack, and O'Brian in DS9. cheers!
Absolutely loved rewatching the film while listening to this. The only thing missing is the Drinker doing Scotty impressions. 😊
Keep up the great work pointing out the importance of good storytelling, gentlemen.
This was excellent. Huge fan of the OG Trek, loved watching this with others. Can’t wait for the next one. Please do another one.
Would be happy to see more of these. I'm a sucker for commentary tracks.
I’m very familiar with this movie and knew every scene they were talking about. I enjoyed listening to their perspective. Truly one of the best sci-fi movies made.
A minute if the most eloquent silence towards the end. Priceless. Thanks gentlemen!
Thanks Drinker and Mauler, you made my Sunday, - Love that "Run Silent Run Deep" is such an influence on this
Will listen to this on my drive home from work. A great idea though - I think MauLer and you do your best work when discussing great films rather than just slagging off crappy ones. Cheers.
Cheers? Is that a Kirstie Alley joke? 😆
@@docsavage8640 and she said she didn't want to be typecast.
I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round perdition's flames before I give him up.
This is the best quote of the entire movie. I love it
"From hell's heart I Stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee"
The Moby Dick parallels are great; Khan and his white whale
@@timewarpdrive77 true. Soo true
The silence during Spock’s last scene was great.
True respect.
Still tear up every time at the end of this movie. Just fantastic.
Even after watching this movie many times i still get a lump in my throat when Scotty starts playing Amazing Grace.
I enjoyed this. It was fun. One suggestion: next time (Star Trek III maybe) when you start the movie, give us a count down so we can synchronize our viewing with you.
"We have the Paramount logo and 3... 2... 1... Go "
I saw Ricardo Montalbán in his only appearance at a Star Trek convention. He was in a wheelchair through most of his appearance. Then he said to everyone, "I feel so good right now because of you (referring to the audience), I think I can stand up." And he did. The entire packed room erupted in adulation it was absolutely an incredible moment I will never forget.🥲🥲🥲🖖🏼 My first Star Trek convention was in 1974.
Yeah this is a great movie. The subtle emotions Shatner gives is really enthralling, especially as I grow older.
Still to this day. This is the best Sart Trek film ever made.
Can't see it being beaten any time soon, unfortunately.
When you've seen the movie so many times you don't have to watch to follow along with the commentary.
I would like to see you guys cover the rest of the original Star Trek films, especially Search for Spock, which is a personal favorite of mine.
This! Star Trek 2, 3 and 4 are practically a series, so you guys gotta continue it! :D
I don't think you guys mentioned the music. It has an excellent score. It tends to be the case when the movie is a classic. It really adds a lot to the film.
Love it 😎
One of my favorite scores of all time. Perfectly sets the "seafaring" mood and ratchets up the tension for the battle in the Mutara Nebula. {chef’s kiss}
James Horner's best in my mind
This is the movie where the new theme song was established, James Horner
Watched this in the theater a few weeks ago, also with William Shatner onstage after. Still one of my favorite movies to re-watch, and Shatner was awesome! He is the GOAT! He is Star Trek! So good listening to Drinker and Mauler's commentary! I heard all the lines from the film in my head just listening to your reactions. Please keep doing this format ! Mauler, welcome to Star Trek!
Perfect audio commentary for driving back home thank you boys
This was fun hope you guys do more!
I have loved Star Trek since watching the show when it aired. So glad you brought Mauler to the dark side, Drinker. And yeah, the format works, good idea guys. - I would agree with the idea of some visual hint as to where you are.
I love this relaxed, one on one format for discussing a film in depth. Please do more, both Trek and other films
Im really glad you guys chose this film for your first commentary! You made me appreciate even more what is easily one of my top ten films of all time. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to both your takes on it so… YES - PLEASE DO MORE!!! 😁
This is a great surprise! I watched the whole movie along with you guys and enjoyed every moment of it. Would love to see more of this =)
Thanks for this. It was so much fun. I'd love to hear you do the whole Genesis trilogy.
The final frontier deserved better; I wish it could have been integrated better into the trilogy and Shatner could have been reined in a bit more
1:57:00 - 'Twas a real pleasure sharing this cinematic masterpiece with you gents. Thank you so much!
Yes please do more of these. That was thoroughly enjoyable. Would love you to do III next.
Totally agree, would love more of these.
This was a wonderful commentary track guys, I had a blast watching such a fantastic film alongside you. It's so nice to hear the joy in your voices when you actually get to praise something good for a change.
Really love this format. I have hoped for a while that EFAP would do something similar, maybe even on a 2nd (3rd?) channel. Relatively easy content to make and quite enjoyable when the people talking are just naturally interesting.
This for me is what true fandom is all about, introducing your friends to the content you love and they appreciate it. can anyone see that happening with Star Trek Discovery?……never.
Cracking. Very enjoyable watch and really highlights how good the OG Star Trek movies were.
I just watched this movie the other night (with a live Shatner interview after, he was awesome) and after seeing so much current year stuff the writing really stood out. Even though a lot of it should be basic it was almost shocking to see proper setups and payoffs.
This was awesome. Hope you guys do more of these.
I absolutely love Wrath of Khan and it makes me happy to know you got Mauler to watch it. I haven't listened to this commentary yet, but I hope he really enjoyed the movie!
Just finished watching. I had been wanting to rewatch Wrath of Khan again, since I really love this movie and it's overall really well written and this was a good excuse to do so. I'm glad Mauler enjoyed it as much as he did. I had shown a friend this movie for the first time several months ago and he had seen little to no Star Trek as well and he had really enjoyed it. Currently watching through Deep Space 9 with him, which is my favourite Trek. I haven't seen enough of TOS, but plan on watching more. TNG is largely great, but the problem it has is that while it has far more stand out amazing episodes, it also has far more stand out stinkers. DS9 largely strikes a good balance where most episodes are consistently pretty good (especially after the first season) with far fewer _bad_ episodes and fewer amazing episodes, but when you do hit those amazing episodes, like Duet or In The Pale Moonlight, they absolutely knock it out of the park. I know Mauler has said he plans to eventually get through all of Trek and while it might be quite a while until he gets to DS9, I can't wait to see what he thinks of that show.
I'd also love to see more commentary tracks like this for the other Star Trek movies, even the awful TNG movies.
I love that I can still follow along with this despite not watching the film at the same time. Is that a humble brag? Maybe.
Seriously, though. I'd pay to have mauler and drinker do more TOS, either movies or TV episodes. Somebody ping me if it's on the menu and I'll pitch into the community pot.
Loved it. Stopped watching NASCAR when I saw your post on Twitter. And queued up Star Trek with you guys and watched the whole 2 hrs. That was fun. You have to do more of these.
Oh man, I kinda wish Mauler had seen a few episodes of TOS before watching Wrath Of Khan. Regardless, Longfella, welcome to Star Trek!
One has to remember also that Spock faced a similiar situation happening with Scotty.
When the Enterprise was in a runaway situation, Scotty pointed out that there was a way to shut it down by accessing circuits in a Jefferies tube. Spock said he would do it, as the radiation would kill Scotty if he stayed there too long, but he would survive. Scotty thouogh pointed out that he knew the systems best, and Spock was acting Captain.
Things worked out okay, but Spock did know the situation existed where the ship would be saved, but Scotty would end up dying from radiation sickness.
Even though I have seen this movie dozens of times, your great insight into storytelling and characterizations revealed aspects I had never noticed before. Although it's fun bashing terrible movies and TV shows, it's refreshing and delightful to see both of you react to an entire well-crafted movie. More of this!
Agree 100%. I really prefer Drinker spending time on great movies. This stream was a huge treat for me, as Wrath of Khan is one of my top 10 films of all time. I too like his reviews that tear down awful films, but this was a joy to listen to.