MICRONEEDLING | DIY Treatments & Clinical Microneedling. What is the difference?
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Microneedling is a great way to treat skin conditions such as acne scars, open pores, fine lines & textural concerns.
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Quick Guide: Recommended depth for at home microneedling 0.1 to 0.3 mm. Traction on the skin can help with needle penetration.
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Dermapen or Skin Pens deliver needles vertically. This decreases the theoretical issue of tissue treating, however raised the issue of tissue dragging, especially if needles are too long, motor is weak, batteries (if applicable) are low on voltage, technique is poor or skin friction is high.
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Skin Needling via a roller is the most cost effective method of microneedling. Use of needle lengths around 0.25 mm is best. Done properly, it will cause dermal bleeding.
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Derma Stamps: Probably the safest of the lot for at home use. Vertical delivery without drag or potential to tear. Disadvantages include time as well as awkward areas (stamping area is large).
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Specialists employ RFM or radiofrequency microneedling. RF stimulates more collagen as it activates HSP 70-90 (Heat shock protein). I prefer insulated needles over non-insulated devices. Infini & Genius RF by Lutronic are, in my opinion, great devices. They deliver great energy through insulated needles. Impedance control of the Genius adds another layer of safety as well as efficiency. Other RFM devices worth noting include Intensif (getting pretty old), Morpheus 8 (Inmode device, heard a lot of good things about this), Vivace, & Intracel.
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More updates on my IG account.
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Dr Davin Lim @cliniccutis @drdavinlim @101.skin
Brisbane, Australia
What an absolute wicked guy sharing all this. This guy paid and spent years studying this profession and he's giving us in depth, REAL, free, transparent knowledge. Thank you very much!
Oh calm down, people get paid on CZcams especially when they have a lot of followers.
@@user-ly7ty8jz2o eughhhh bore off, it’s still free information. People go out and daftly pay for consultations for this information. “Calm down” though 😂
@@mike7887 exactly
That's most experts in their field who aren't shills or politically compromised.
@@user-ly7ty8jz2o thank you.
Dr. Lim, my sister is a board certified Dermatologist in Maryland & I actually come to your CZcams BEFORE texting her!❤you're the reason she still tolerates me!
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You’re so lucky having a dermatologist in the family. I envy you
Can you do a video on skin care must-haves series by age groups -20s, 30s, 40s and 50+ PLEASE!
You're like the one person talking about this stuff without putting affiliate links in the description. Many thanks and great video!
Dr. Lim. Another great video. I feel so privileged to hear all your wonderful info without even an office copay! You are just darling too!!!💝🎂🎊🎉🌈💝
Wow. Extremely impressed with Dr. Lim's honesty. I really appreciate it! I was amazed when he said sometimes there is no difference between the at-home devices vs. in office! I wanted to say that I have had really good results with the Dr. Pen which I have used as safely as possible, at home. I have done 8 treatments. I am not trying to self-promote, though I am, but I am going to post a video tomorrow morning with my results. I've been documenting this self experiment extensively over the past 16 mos. I was really surprised by the results. I'm amazed with what certain skincare procedures and methods can do for aging, lines, etc. The thing that surprised me most about my results was that it got rid of a lot of sunspots, which are normally so difficult to get rid of. Anyway, I am going to finish watching his video now. Just wanted to share this! Thank you, Dr. Lim for your honesty!
Hi which pen did you get?
@@JamieModelvsDirector I have been using the Dr Pen A6
Life & DIY thank you!
I have been thinking of buying Dr. Pen for my indented acne scars. I have had 7 professional microneedling treatments done but there's still room for improvement. Which model would you recommend?
@@sidrahasad9942 She's using the Dr. Pen A6
Didnt skip an ad. Thats all i can do for your sharing of knowledge .
Everyone gets different ads each time.
I've done 3 dermapen sessions at home so far, face, neck and chest, varying depths from .25-1.0mm depnding on location. I've had zero problems and good results that are compounding especially in evening out skin tone and fine lines. People just need to make sure everything is clean, allow the skin to heal for a couple of days, and stay out of direct sun.
Hi Theresa, could you please tell me if you use anything serum or product while dermarolling? I'm so conflicted on bare skin vs using a product.
@@deirdresmith7314 check out PENN SMITH on youtube. She has TONS of vids that answer every question you could have!
I watched your entire video and I did not skip any ads. I support what you do and what you say is gold. I just wished I had found this video sooner than later
Dr Lim, this video is much appreciated. Not all of us are irresponsible teens. So it's good to get your refreshingly honest and carefully explained inputs.
Yes guys, please take the doctor's advice on limiting depth to 0.1 to 0.3 mm at home. I DIYed the 1.5mm on my skin monthly with the dermaroller, and I now have these parallel, fine lines that appear when I smile. Be caution of skin dragging and skin tears! If anyone has tips to reverse the damage, please let me know.
Umm, have you tried retinol?
Also snail serum is my go to for plumping the skin.
DermaPEN and dermaROLLER AREN'T THE SAME 🤦♀️🤦♀️
1.5 is never for the face and you used it too often. Like someone else mentioned try retin a or retinol
Once per month is too much often?
How do you know that the dermatoller did it? Is it scarring?
Thanks for your content, Dr. Lim! After a year of reading about micro-needling, watching videos (including yours Dr. Lim) and having a small stiff drink, I managed to get the confidence to use my Dr. Pen (at .5) for the first time for CIT. It was so scary at first - ugh. BUT, now heading into my 4th time doing it once per month and I'm SOLD. Love the results!
Hey sherry
Do you have scars as indentations on your face ? Or is it just pigmentations?
What pen?
It's funny how Dr. Davin is okay with DIY microneedling and actually provides detailed information about it but loud aestheticians make fun of those who do DIY videos instead of being helpful. Microneedling, in my experience, combined with quality skincare products have been the only effective treatment for my scars and acne. Been doing it for years and I don't suffer from acne anymore and deep scars including some wrinkles have actually become shallow significantly.
Thanks for your sharing. Can you suggest for quality skincare product you used? I have scars on my forehead and really want to fade them away without expensive methods like laser.
Which microneedling tool do you recommend? Thank you!
@@Shikalichinh if they are scars with hyperpigmentation 3-5%tranexamic acid is great
lol... and here is where I get my patients that saw some stuff online and come in with scars
From what I gather the answer to whether DIY micro needling is safe...
Short answer - no
Long answer - yes, but... [insert long list of things that most people won't bother being careful about, which is why the short answer is no]
Thank you for your honest opinion. I listen when you tell us it is okay and when you tell us “not to try this at home” because of your common sense approach and your willingness to give us the why. I use the Derminator 2 for microneedling and it seems much more effective than the pen and love the results.
Which are those results?
Dr Lim, you’re a babe. Keep imparting that knowledge.
Thanks Dr. Lim. Had my melasma spots on face removed with laser. It was very painful, created a charred black scab, but It WORKED! No pain no gain? No home procedures for this girl. I trust my dermatologist!! Luv your channels 🙂❤
ughhh i hate how much i love this DR..he's the best .. he is good with his explanations
Used my dr pen the other day and infused my neogensis recovery serum at 0.5 my redness and irration was gone within the hour 😊😊 great stem cell product
Can you do a video on in home Led masks?
Dr Dray did a very helpful video on the led masks
Thank you Dr. Lin ! I been been getting in office micro needling did a full 6 treatments it hurts its bloody but it works! I bought a nice $600 pen to do at home touch ups no way I could do my entire face by myself! Even though my pen can do 3mm the pain is way to much and risky ..25mm is the max anyone should try at home!
Your channel is still the most honestly informative.Thank you Doctor.
Love getting info from a proper specialist, thank you
Could you team up with Dr.V on CZcams, she specialises in skin of colour and hypergimentation. There’s things that she has said is not good to use that you said are it would be great to have someone educated in skin of colour in Australia
Thank you for explaining in general the possibilities about these devices....personally I would still choose a professional to do this....greetings from the Netherlands
i love how honest you are. just used my derma pen at home for scarring, but im pretty sure 2.5 mm isnt deep enough
He was talking about safe home treatment to be at 0.25 mm needles
I love the honesty that Dr Davin said in this vlogs, but I still prefer to go to derma rather than DIY, it's your face u'r talking about and if u messed it up, well, u do u. I have nothing against DIY microneedling but do it conservatively. That's all.
Saaame. I don't wanna hit active acne or the ones about to come up.
You should open a consult here in Miami, maybe 6 month of the year.
I'll trust a derm with a microneedle over myself anyday. 😅
Why, he just Said the ones derms use are created vertikal lknes
I love my Dr. Pen. I completely filled in a hyperpigmented acne scar. I still have some pigmentation left in spite of the glycolic and ascorbic acids I use on my skin care regime.
My needle length ranges from. 75 to 1.5mm depending on where I'm treating.
I don't use numbing cream, but I do treat my face and needles with rubbing alcohol. I only use hyaluronic acid during needling because I'm afraid of getting granulas.
I've noticed that after a session and for hours afterward my mood is elevated and I feel kind off charged up. Is their something about the mild pain of microneedling that can account for that, maybe the release of endogenous opiods?
Some people engage in superficial cutting to alter their moods. I suspect the same thing is happening with my Dr. Pen. Think of all the superficial cutters out there who could have beautiful skin instead of wrist scars!
Ever since I had Infini + Subcision based on your recommendation, I almost don't even use my home microneedling device anymore. I may use it for maintenance down the line.
The question is, which product could help acne scars after microneedling?
like how they gone then right?
I’ve done 6 sessions with prp injections (my plasma) I recommend pure hyaluronic acid post treatment and mineral sunscreen the next day and no makeup for 5 days. This procedure too years off my face and al my acne scars are gone.
@@Z_3D where do you get pure HA for an at home treatment?
@@faymorgane5454 no done to myself done by a nurse at a spa
Fay Morgane the ordinary and inky list sell HA serums at a great price.
You are awesome to be so honest about this . Thank you for sharing all your knowledge. Much appreciated 😊
Please make a video on the best treatment options for Hyper-pigmentation around inner thigh and bikini line different skin types. Ive got dark patches from Tretinoin in inner thigh and close to mons pubbis.
I heard dry brushing or glycolic acid helps massively with every issue down there from darkness to ingrown etc .... I personally use a non sugar scrub daily and it's amazing... I heard to never use a sugar scrub due to the risk of a yeast infection.
I might have missed this but how often can you use a dermal roller?
Thank u so much Dr. Lim! So grateful to have ur thoughts abt dermarolling. Was waiting for this!😁 Will b great to know what kind of serum r the best after doing dermarolling @ home.
Thanks u very much for this honest videos! They r so educational. Stay safe. Cheers😊
It depends on if you are dermarolling or microneedling with a pen.
Thanks again Dr Lim,for this video, very informative and easy to understand, if I lived near you I would see you for sure, you build confidence and honesty 👍😊
Thank you so much for sharing this Dr. Davin Lim. 🙏🖤
Hi, very nice video, thanks :).
A question: can we use LED light devices to help rejuvenate skin after microneedling and if yes which wave length/light color is the best for it?
Thanks ☺️!!!
If you know how to use the tool then ok to use even 1.0mm at home, the problem with many people they don't know how to use it and can damage the skin ! I'm here to teach who needs help with it.
Hi idol 🥰
He’s a doctor, so I think we should take his advice instead.
Please teach me
@@taytayqueen7024 you're narrow minded
@@PRASHANTGUPTA-cs6ww choosing to take advice from an actual doctor that went to medical school over a CZcamsr is narrow minded? 😂😂😂😂 maybe you’re just a fucking idiot
Thanks so much Dr Davin for your informative videos. I get really depressed w/ my acne scars..but when I watch your videos it's like a ray of hope.. I watch to learn and see your handsome face. Lol cheezy 😂😂 hope I can go to australia and have these scars fixed.
Thanks for all the info! Could you do a video guide on how to research for the right dermatologist in your area? I would love to visit your clinic, but unfortunately don't live in Australia. I'm overwhelmed by the options in London, and want to find an affordable but safe clinic for acne scar removal. I suspect other people are in the same boat. :)
yes please!
U r so great! Thank u! Could u make a comparison video about frexel laser and microneedeling when one has acne and PIE? THAT WOULD BE GREAT!
How can I take apart one of my dermaroller heads to be able to tell if it's truly needles? It's advertised as such but it was from Amazon after all. It has all sorts of attachments but zero directions. Good thing I research things before I purchase them so I knew what to do but still. I'm thinking I don't have a good set regardless.
I’m the one who do derma-stamp by myself at home. My tools are 0.5 mm derma stamp and pen. But if guys want to do it, you need to have numbing cream and good skin cares to heal the scar after you’ve done it.
Will it be helpful in reducing the pores?
Gosh you are aging so well. Still so amazingly handsome. 😍😍😍
Lol ms Leda want some dr. BBC 😂
@@kazituta7269 w-what
Kazi Tuta didn’t know asians had BBC 🤔🤣
Dr. Lim would you recommend microneedling for loose BODY skin, not just face skin??????
Beth, you should check out a channel called FiftyPlusBeauty (her name is Beth also) as she just posted a day or a few days ago - with her before and after dermarolling on the body for loose skin. She had great results.
Thanks so much for your nice comment! I love Dr. Lim and just stopped over to see what he had to say about microneedling. He is amazingly talented! I wish he were in the US!
@@FiftyPlusBeauty Hi Beth! I agree about Dr. Lim! He is amazing and very generous with his knowledge. I hope you're doing well and you inspired me to do needling on my body for some stretch marks and scarring - as your results looked amazing!
I want to ramp up the effects of my regaine(minoxidil) what depth is suitable for scalp microneedling, should I go a bit deeper than 0.3 as the skin is obviously thicker than skin on the face?
You should research this as I don't want to tell you the wrong information. But, from what I've heard, I believe it needs to be a lot deeper for hair growth, ie: 1.5mm but don't quote me, check around. :) Also, most experts would never recommend that depth for at home use, but I think it might be necessary for hair growth.
@@LifeDIY ok thanx 1.5 does sound quite deep 😅😅
Can you please make a video about dermatographism or dermatographia? Love your channel!!
please do a video on POC hyperpigmentation and scarring.....lasers creams chemical peels for POC
I was going to say I'm first but who cares.😊
İ care 🤩
@@nawolf-0 Ah! Thank you.💚
God bless you 🙏🏻👋😎
@@olzhena9681 And you too 💚
Anyone has any recommendations for what serums to use?
Dr Lim, would you recommended microneedling/derma rolling for people with a history of keloids? Would micro injuries cause keloids? Thanks!
I've heard microneedling won't help keloids but if you can go to a dermatologist at all, they can help I'm sure! I'm going to find one for myself this week.
not a good idea, keloid scars has nerves on the surface
Lots of good information here. Thank-you
Hi Dr. Lim! Can you make a video about treating the type of raised acne scars that's a result of clogged pores on the chin and jaw that never came out.
Will a 0.25 dermaroller help with cellulite? Thank you!
Dr Lim. RFM in skin of colour. How would you prep the skin for hyperpigmentation. Should one be concerned about it?
Congrats David? I have watch you in fox movies (S.W.A.T.n), you have protected yourself in danger. That was epic🤗. I am not good in English but I use translator. I am Filipino. I am impressed.
Would using a 0.5m roller be safe on the neck for neck wrinkles? Is microneedling safe on the neck with a at home derma roller?
Yeah would love to know what size for body at home.
I've heard that only 0.25mm microneedles should be used at home, but isn't it just the rollers that are dangerous? The stamp-type seems like it wouldn't tear the skin, so why shouldn't I use anything over 1mm? Besides the risk of infection, what other side effects could there be?
Thank you so much for this content. You’re very generous 🙏
I wish he would list some of the better modern-made DIY needling tools
From what I've heard from the experts - they often (if they admit it) will tell you certain ones are quite similar to what they use in the office. You may want to check out Penn Smith Skincare.
Good afternoon sir, me Pancha Narzary from India. My face, all skin is very very bad pimple spot pregnant stretch, all body small black spot and wrinkles, how solution it sir. 56 yrs.old
I use 0.5 mm for years but never bleed. My skin goes red though
Will it help in reducing the pores
Hi Dr. Is it safe to use longer needles in stretch marks on your body specifically hips and tights?thank you
Hello! Do you any recommendations for under-eye gel pads for when you're on a major budget?
My age 26 i have thin skin problem and can it be cured....
Is there any treatment for thin skin on face ....plz reply me brother
I do not take that risk. Spend the extra money and you can have it done from an esthetician at a fraction of the cost.
Dr. plz i need your help....my doctor recommended me tca cross followed by fractional co2 laser 10 days after the tca cross for my acne scars,mainly boxcar. will that be ok? I am of indian origin. Plz help!
Hello 🙂 could you please give me an estimation about the price of TCA and co2 laser?
Tca cross costs somewhere in between 1000- 1500 INR per sitting depending upon your scars.
Fractional Co2 laser costs in between 3000-5000 INR per sitting depending upon the severity of your scars.
@@farhatfatima2233 thank you :) and all the best for your sessions
Thanks for the sharing🙏😊......hi doc I'm resident dermatovenereology from Indonesia
Please make a video on facial pigmentary demarcation lines
Dr. Davin, I have had 3 sessions of microneedling and have seen absolutely no difference in my acne scars. Why do you think that is?
I'm pretty sure you just need to keep having them, I've seen results on CZcams Chanel's re acne scarring.....the results happen over time, but look around on CZcams and Google and you will see how people with scarring have improved their skin dramatically....good luck🌺💐
@@annetaylor7496 Thank you. I just feel very discouraged since 3 sessions did absolutely nothing for me. The kind of dissappointment I feel hurts. I don't know if I want to continue
@@bhellenbello311 Oh Bhellen, try and not be disappointed....you can get amazing results tho, maybe see another skin therapist, and get a few other opinions, you might need some other treatments along with the needling....I know of other women who have done their needling at home as well and have taken over 6/7 treatments before really seeing massive results...you prob need some stronger peels as well, but don't give up sweetheart, and don't be discouraged...just be kinder to yourself and keep on your mission, it will happen💐🌺💖....take care wherever you are and stay safe 💖💖and hi from Tasmania.
@@annetaylor7496 Thank you so much for the encouragement. I live in Nigeria where microneedling is really expensive so it's dissappointing when I spend such huge sums each session and see absolutely no results. However, I agree with you that I should see another dermatologist. I will do just that. Thank you for your kindness
@@bhellenbello311 hey you can do them at your home if you are taking sessions without PRP , but the depth of needle at home devices are shallower than the clinic one but it can save your money
Hi there! would you plese do a video on how to care for skin for those suffering from Lupus?
I have been dermarolling at home on & off for about 2 years, with a 0.5 and sometimes 1.0 dermaroller (once a month with 0.5) I do not see any results what so ever, and I keep reading the comments where everyone is raving about positive changes. What am I doing wrong? I use a DMAE serum afterwards made specially for dermarolling. I just get the flaking and (sometimes)pinpoint bleeding but not the results :-(
Take a monthly photo then compare the first photo with the last photo at the end of the year
@@starrymoon2734 great idea thank you!
I love you Doc you're the best ever since ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Nice job Dr Lim. Could you please do a video about hazards of using harsh topicals like bpo. Recently Ive got some shallow scars out of nowhere. But I think they can be because of using bpo, maybe bpo interferes with the skins healing ability, or reduces the collagen production or something like that.
one of the most trusted :)
Hi Dr Lim, can you please do a review on Aaron? Their Hyaluronic Acid Collagen Essence is popular and it can be bought from chemistwarehouse/Priceline . I've been using it for quite a while and I think their products are good.
Hi Dr. could you please make a video about Laser or microneedling for severe acne scars. Thank you
He has SOOO much info on this already, check out his YT videos with assessments on actual clients.
Laser not much effective as microneedling
@@anchaldeshwal4683 how?
I have just started watching your videos I love love love them. See the truth and and transparency.
My question to you because I have some situations going on where my skin was so totally clear now.
I have been having severe issues with not only my face.
And body as well is there any American doctors that you can suggest.
Since you are out of the country and too far away for me to get too!
does anyone know how to get rid of acne nodules naturally cause i really want to get rid of it i have 3 on my left jaw and a couple on my top back and a couple on my chest....any help will do thank you
I appreciate your videos. I am seeking what products to use after at home micro needling
Hi Dr. Lim, could you please talk about N-lite pulse dye laser? Also could you recommend some non ablasive laser to treat light pitted acne scars? Thank you so much!!’
hi Dr. Lim! I recently visited a derm and was recommended an opus plasma laser treatment. I was wondering if you've had any experience and wanted to hear your thoughts on this new treatment.
Hi, can you debunk something? I heard this thing that menstrual blood is supposed to be a good for acne prevention, kinda like the vampire facial and some people use it as a face mask. Is this okay for the skin? Is this real? Help I’m debating it.
Some people said the protein plasma in blood will help the acne. But if you think clearly, plasma and blood used in medical ( for various treatment) are drawn out and kept in sterile environment . Ie directly from the blood stream and into medical bag (tube etc), never exposed to the environment.
Using menstrual blood, is old blood that have died, mixed with uterine lining, passed through various places/ hollow places which would have its own microflora ( i mean we all have some good bacteria on our skin, that can overgrow and cause infection. ive had a keloid scar njection and got infection. The dermatologist said its a common risk and gave me antibiotics)
Also as a it expelled from our body and exposed to the environment, bacteria are easily attracted to those.
So nevertheless, menstrual blood is a body waste and gross thing. Pls treat it like booger and never lick/eat those like any 3 y/o might do.
For stretch marks is Dermapen PRO good? Thanks Dr Lim
yes. It improves stretch marks well
When you fibroblast, why don’t you touch inside the wrinkle? Every tutorial says to only touch the rim of the wrinkle, but why is that?
Dr. Lim, I have heard rf microneedling can cause an acne breakout, have you seen this in your practice? I'm interested in addressing acne scarring but dont want to deal with more acne. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!😀
It can CAuse acne when u have active acne because your transferring bacteria other than that u should be good
Yes it can
Great videos know your a busy man but would appreciate if you can you suggest a good cocktail to use for mature skin with the dr pen Tia
Dr tell us something about hairlloss and microneedling please?
Go to the hair loss show on CZcams with one of the leading hair loss surgeons dr Russell Knudsen.
@@kenmaller2456 i wish that i hear what dr Davin think about this please....
@@kazituta7269 Dr. Davin is not a hair specialist. You were given good advice to look at Dr. Russell Knudsen's channel. He specializes in hair loss and nothing else. Great instructor, you will learn a lot from him and his partner.
Can you please dona vídeo on the Morpheus 8. Thank you
Very helpful, thank you dr. Lim.
hi!i took isotretinoin 20 mg for six days and quitted last month.can i get microneedling after two months
I've done 3 sessions of microneedling with prp at my derms office and I did not see any improvement with my pores or fine lines. I was then advised to try fractora and did 2 sessions... after the first one I liked the way my skin looked. After my second one my pores look bigger and it seems i have more...its only been 2 weeks and I'm so disappointed...I hope it gets better because I'm feeling really depressed right now. I spent thousands of dollars for absolutely nothing.
I think you need more sessions!
What should be used on the skin during rolling (aloe vera?)and what should I apply afterwards?
Hello! I have a question about skincare and I really trust your opinion so I hope you answer! I’m thinking of buying some products but I don’t want to hurt my skin or add to much so I would like to share what I’m thinking of starting, the cetaphil gentle skin cleanser, the inkey list glycolic acid toner, the inkey list Niacinamide the inky list hyaluronic acid the inky list Q 10 serum, the cerave moisturizer and the ordinary rose hip oil. Thank you! I’m 14 by the way
I've always been curious because many people speak of conservative depth (below 1.00mm) and how it's safer, but I have always been told for scarring, you need to be at above 1.00mm. What is the deal on that?
basically, to treat most atrophic (indented) scars, you need to reach the dermis which is the deepest layer of the skin. the thing is, unless you’re a dermatologist or have been trained properly, you could easily give yourself an infection and instead of fix create more scars, etc. so yeah, it’s not impossible but it’s really, really easy, and hence very likely, that using >0.25mm at home will make things worse for oneself
@@stevie8849 Interesting. Yeah so this theory makes me question brands like Banish Acne Scars that claim to have insane results yet have needle depths that are all super short. You're never hitting the dermis.
Can the 0.25mm be used on the under eye area ?
Hy i have pigmentation last 2 years.mesotherapy is effective ??
So, no derma rolling under eye wrinkles? Not even with a 0.25mm?
Hello Mr. Lim,
¿Is PRP of any help after a TCA peel? Scrubbed around the face, injected or applied on a mask.
Thanks.
Hi from the Philippines! Can you make a video review on using Aloe Vera gel?
You can find info on CZcams and Google...there is a lot of info on Aloe Vera gel out there....🌺💐