Dr. Gabor Maté On How Trauma Fuels Disease | Rich Roll Podcast
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- Bestselling author and physician Dr. Gabor Maté talks with Rich about the nature of addiction, trauma, and illness in a toxic culture often at odds with true healing. To read more about Dr. Maté and peruse the full show notes, go here👉🏾bit.ly/richroll702
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:46 - Unpacking Dr. Gabor's Thesis in New Book, "The Myth of Normal"
00:04:23 - Huge Gap Between Science-Based Evidence & Medical Practice
00:08:08 - Defining Trauma
00:12:14 - How Trauma Affects Chronic Ailments
00:14:45 - Disease as Teacher
00:17:28 - The Major Factors of Stress
00:19:48 - Impact of Loneliness on Health Outcomes
00:21:36 - Social-Economic & Racial Issues Lead to a Rise in Illness & Addiction
00:24:21 - Epigenetics: How a Hostile Environment Affects Our Genetics, Across Generations
00:27:48 - Childhood Development - Problems with Conditional Love
00:31:57 - Finding Agency & Authenticity, Spontaneous Healing
00:37:09 - Why Does It Take Great Suffering to Make a Lasting Change?
00:43:41 - Ad Break
00:45:32 - Trauma-Informed Legal System
00:48:24 - Trauma-Informed Medicine
00:50:44 - Moving Forward: Escaping the ‘Victim Identity’
00:53:38 - Recognize the Wound, Take an Honest Personal Inventory
00:57:46 - Gabor collaborating with his eldest son (Daniel) on this latest book
00:59:44 - Author David Foster Wallace ‘Fish in water” antidote
01:01:20 - The Willingness to be Disillusioned
01:04:43 - Dr Gabor Mate's Thoughts on Addiction and Recovery
01:04:51 - Social-Economic & Racial Issues Lead to a Rise in Illness & Addiction
01:11:26 - Recovery as a Path to Self-Actualization
01:14:28 - Is It Possible to Add Trauma Awareness and Reframe the 12 Steps?
01:22:20 - Reframing Rich's Relapse
01:24:45 - Parenting Advice
01:33:48 - A Child's Emotional Withdrawal from Their Parent. What Does It Mean?
01:36:22 - Closing
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Dr Mate was my doctor in Vancouver very briefly over 20 years ago. I wouldn’t be where I am without his kindness, understanding and genius.
Andrea you are blessed beyond measure.
He is also my doctor now too although I have never met him.
I consider to him to be my trauma shaman. ✨🙏✨💖
In the last few weeks of discovering Dr. mate he has done more than the decade of therapy I've had.
Thank you for sharing that! @Andre McGowan
I wish I could have been his patient.
For those of us who haven't been a patient of Dr Gabor Maté, we are so blessed to have a rich selection of podcasts, each a little different, to listen to over and over, and help ourselves with the doctor's wisdom. He's already helped me more than all the counselling sessions I've had in the last few years.
I've been following Dr. Maté's work for well over a decade now. His work is paramount for us getting out of this insane sick society. Mercy on all of us.
Totally agree! I got the honor of meeting him at a movie screening about a month ago called dosed 2.. he is such a amazing person.
@@MrSixohfour That must have been a transcendent experience.
Yes
Although I've seen his face and name before I've not heard him speak til recently. What life-changing read - The Myth of Normal.
Dr Mate is such a humble soul and extremly valuable to us all. I love his work and all he shares with us. I would love to attend one of his work shops. Bless up.
Psilocybin saved my life. I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September. I have zero cravings. This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment.
Psychedelics definitely have potential to deal with mental health issues such as anxiety and depression, I would like to give them a try but haven't found any legit grower to get it.
@@APOLLINAIREBARTHOLOMIEUI got mine from dr.sporesss
A lot of people have testified about this and I really want to give it a shot. I put so much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels
@@eddiejohn8506Is he on instagram?
The Trips I've been having have really helped me a lot,I finally feel in control of my emotions and my future and things that used to be mundane to me now seem incredible and full of nuance on top of that I'm way less driven by my ego and I have alot more empathy as well
As a nurse, every patient now has a DX of anxiety and depression. People are sad, sick, disgusted and confused. Everyone can agree, something is REALLY VERY WRONG!
Agree. May I ask are you seeing this in what setting.?
You know, your right, what's wrong, is that 12% of humanity, is been trying, to inslave, 88% with a serious militar y might,or economic sanctions, or bullying for greed, and resources.etc.The press manipulated and hijackt, by capital.
And because of all that...greetings😢
It's never been any different, government, mainstream medicine etc has always been either corrupt or plain ignorant.
I realised what Gabor is talking about..over 20 years ago..so it's nothing new.
as a psychotherapist, I agree with you 1000% 😔
I agree the most common dx.is fatigue and depression.
"There's very little that actually promotes healing - and there's VERY much that undermines it" Gabor Maté
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Thanks for info on this topic❤
@@marykinsella417 what on earth are you talking about?
For me, crying releases stress from my body and allows me to relax and this bodily relaxation keeps me from getting sick. When I used to attend weekly yoga classes a few years ago before I moved to another province, I always cried spontaneously throughout the class. I didn't wail as I cried, not wanting to disturb others in the room but the crying came as a result of moving my body in a calm and silent space where nothing was expected of me and I could simply 'be present.' I think there are so few places and spaces to be present and allow feelings to rise up. Also, while at Kripalu Yoga Retreat Centre for a week, I cried during every yoga class as I moved my body. It's quite remarkable. Few people whom I've told understand this. Crying is seen as something to resolve or stop, but for me I've felt its breath-giving effects on my emotional and physical state of being.
Thank you for your beautiful share. Reflecting Self-knowing and what works for your unique way of release, clearing, Self-discovery and walking your Path. Beautiful to witness. Namaste. Sat Nam.
Please read Arthur Janov's books you would benefit from his therapy.
Exactly
Your crying story reminds me of one episode of Everybody Loves Raymond when Marie pops in to visit Debra and finds her crying. Marie thinks something is terribly wrong and then Debra explains that women (and probably men) just need to cry sometimes to release. Marie thinks a moment and remembers her own struggles and agrees.
Decades ago I worked for a medical answering service when thunderstorms would knock out the whole computer system. Our boss was a female go getter who was a wealth of resource and this one time nothing worked and she finally laid her head on the counter and asked,”Can I cry now?” We all chimed in “Yes!”
Karin, I cry easily in certain circumstances, as well. I think it helps me in ways you describe. I think it is a good thing.
I was raised strict LDS (Mormon), and love was VERY conditional, although I was being taught about the importance of Unconditional love.
It messed with me, very deeply.
Double binds starting at 18 months old, and a belief system that defines who and what you are and where your worth is derived, can really take time to deconstruct, mourne and release.
Not being allowed to show anger, or individuate at age 2 or in adolescence, has caused me much grief, suffering and has made me need to completely deconstruct my thought processes and views of the world, and myself.
I'm 40 and FINALLY giving myself permission to individuate, explore and build myself, from the bottom up.
Better late than never!
there's many issues that've surfaced from the LDS scandals - maybe they'll help you see what's going on. The reason is we shouldn't be at the whim of bad stuff in our lives.
I really get this...so good you have realised so much and its changing xx
Absolutely!!💚
Also 40, and also " starting my life" anew :)
Well done and it takes guts to do that x doing similar work on myself and it's like unlearning what you have been taught isn't it? to replace with your true unique self x all the very best💚🙏
i was raised LDS too-- and i am so glad you are giving yourself the gift of growing beyond what you have been indoctrinated with. love is a currency in our culture-- and it does do real emotional damage. xoxo
I have MS. My mother died of complications from her RA. My father died of cancer. It took decades for me to understand that I had been abused by them. It took decades more to understand why they abused me and to forgive them for it. I’m in my mid-60’s, and I’m still working to heal the trauma of my past. Despite my age and my limited time left, I hope to heal enough to know what it’s like to not be depressed or anxious, to feel well in a way I never have, to have compassion for myself and a cathartic break from my past, and to meet my authentic self finally.
Now that you have come this far, you will enjoy the healing, have no doubt. ❤
@@psnat7198you aren't relieved from responsibility to help change the world
And u might even heal your MS...I hope u recover...all the best!
You're clearly on your way 👍
You're perfect the way you are and your time here has been worth every moment. I may not know you but you inspire me.
The medical system not only ignores trauma but creates trauma. Medical trauma is rarely spoken of. Emergency surgery, misdiagnosis, gaslighting, are just a few of the things create trauma in patients.
I was treated horribly the last time I tried to deal with them. The only thing they helped me out with is helping me out of my money,, and I felt insulted to boot.
Sadly it's true. But just drs. Staff too. It's the main reason I'm leaving FL. SHITTY HEALTHCARE driven by profit, not (helping) people.
@@Jmamelia it’s that way everywhere in the US as far as I know.
THIS RIGHT HERE
That’s why patients need to get good, educated information about their problems or have someone who understands with them when they go visit their Drs. I know this is not always possible, but it is the best and only way to make the Drs. explain the issues to you and get proper treatment. If the Dr. won’t discuss your health with you, then it’s time to find a replacement.
our way of expressing these concepts always attracts me, and nothing, but nothing compares with it-- the tone, the depth of spirituality, I can't put it into words. Your Manifesting Manual is something I can read over and over and soak up. czcams.com/users/postUgkxzpa8CIfZcihW4Z0F_ja0QF3W9KIatrsq I am in process of making the routine a solid part of my life, and it has made a difference! I LOVE your 12 meditations too! I know I am a different person after 9 months with Super Manifestor, and in process of continued positive change! You deserve accolades every day of the year! Keep on with everything, and as we say in Spanish, ANIMO! Lots of love and every blessing to you both.
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Honestly, DR Gabor Mate is freaking amazing, he hits every cords and speaks what I've always been thinking. Thank you Lord for creating Dr. Gabor to help the world in healing. So much respect.
YaaaS🙏🏾🙏🏾🧚🏾♀️
Don't you mean, thank you lord for putting Gabor through so much suffering so he could share his learnings with us in the later years of his life... (?) Right?
The idea of a "Lord" of creation is one of the deepest trauma we're healing as a society today. #religioustrauma
PILATES has saved my life. And Gabor mate videos and books. Resolving MS symptoms at warp speed
What’s been super interesting to me as I heal from CPTSD, is that I have started prioritizing my physical health, including doing moderate aerobic exercise and basic stretching of various muscles, and the release of trauma in my body is profoundly noticeable. Where I was previously storing most emotional pain in my heart area, it’s now spread to the rest of my body. I can tell my body is now connecting with itself and coming online where it was previously shut down. To those dealing with trauma, consider doing some basic stretches to move those muscles, the body work goes hand in hand with cognitive and emotional awareness of trauma healing. ❤💪
Amen to this!!!
Yes, because physical exercise up-regulates anti-aging and anti-disease biological processes, hormones, neurotransmitters and has a modulating effect on immune system function.
In essence, exercise signals healing and longevity.
Add proper diet (with supplementation) proper rest, and proper mood/mental regulatory behavior and you maximize health and longevity.
I absolutely agree. I’ve recently started doing yoga, walking & swimming as part of my routine & the yoga alone is helping my anxiety & ptsd soooo much! Wish I’d done this years ago instead of taking meds
Thank you for your enlightening share....Any movement,..dancing, yoga or simple stretching allows us to begin the thawing of old junk...glad to hear of your gifts. Blessings, Meg
Go to Las Vegas and see a man named Glenn Hall (Create Health Nevada). His soft tissue work is beyond words. You'll come out a new person.
#1 Rich, I really love your channel. No hype and really IMPORTANT guests. #2 Dr. Mate changed my life as a 1st time Dad. I thought "time out" was the way to go for my 3 year old Son, but after watching Dr. Mate in another talk, I realized how important it was to be with him when he needed me most and LISTEN to him about how he was upset instead of putting him in "time out." My Son and I now sit in his little chairs and talk about how he feels and how I feel. IT REALLY WAS A GAME CHANGER. Dr. Mate, you REALLY changed life. Thank you so much.
You sound like an amazing dad. From someone who has been raised by two horribly abusive/violent parents, it makes my heart sing to see comments like this. The part were you mentioned about both of you sitting on little chairs and talking about your feelings together made me smile soooo much. Thankyou for being great dad for your kid mate 💙
@@thecrowsnest44 I am so sorry that you had to go through that. How are you doing with it? Thank you for your beautiful reply to my post. My name is Rick.
your comment healed my heart as I work with adults who need to reparent themselves never having had this kind of emotional validation and safety in the formative years. Thank you, to parent well (in this one way) is to help the whole world. Thankyou!
Oh my, how wonderful, am happy for your son, having such a wise father
What I understand so far about healing is that it's not a linear process, there are ups and downs, and it's much harder than I thought it would be, especially if you're alone. I'm there now, I'm working on it and hopefully I'll make it.
you'll only not make it if you quit. Stay in your struggle and the Castle in your Forest will one day appear
I think you will make it Gabriela
Fax
I hope you make it, too, Gabriela. I understand being alone...sometimes this makes the struggle seem harder. I just listened to a podcast with author, Kamal Ravikant, who wrote "Love Yourself Like Your Life Depended on It." A practical guide he developed during a difficult time in his life and continues to follow. Gabor Mate is excellent. This book is one I believe will also be helpful.
@@janetfedeles3964 Thank you!
I'm so happy that 12 Step stuff was brought up. When I was in AA, I consistently felt like, "Yes, this is helping me to not drink, but something else, something deeper, is missing..." and I have since discovered that what was missing was trauma work. Long story short, I have also discovered Adult Children of Alcoholics and Dysfunctional Families, which does address trauma, and implements inner child work, etc. It has been incredibly healing for me! Thanks for having Dr. Mate on, Rich - great conversation!
Totally relate to this. The 12 steps are great but at some point you just feel is not complete.
I credit much of my emotional sobriety to ACA. I was 24 years sober when I attended an ACA meeting. Now 31 years and so grateful.
Well said Linda
Did you attend the ACA meetings online or in person? Is it just talking about childhood trauma with others? Is it better to attend this meeting over therapy?
@@bobbettemarks6439 Did you attend the ACA meetings online or in person? Is it just talking about childhood trauma with others? Is it better to attend this meeting over therapy?
This brilliant man has been a LIFE CHANGER in my life. True healing. I’m forever grateful!
Thank you to you both! Gabor Maté is the premier mental health expert who specializes in how child-hood trauma and our toxic culture manifests later on in people’s lives.
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He’s not a mental health expert-he’s a family medicine doctor…
You’re being misinformed. GM has no degree in any medical specialty...just pretends to.
@@robynhope219 I believe it. Thanks random person of the internet
@@dsb5444 👍
Mental pain can be inflicted by people treating you as though they know you better than yourself
Gabor Mate is one of my favorite human beings. I discovered him through your podcasts and his books are wonderful in their wealth of knowledge and humanity. Thank you for another podcast with him!
Love him too but very disappointed in him gaslighting of people who opted out of the Pfizer solution.
@@presterjohn1697 What?
@@stacielivinthedream8510 vaccine
@@presterjohn1697 lol good
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So much humanity is in this great man.
After reading Gabor's books I have a deep appreciation and profound respect for him. His lessons are a gift to humanity
Reminds me of the words of the Indian philosopher Krisnamurti who said. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society”! Gabor echoes the truth of that observation by his own individual experience and by what he has learnt as a wise and compassionate medical practitioner!
That's an excellent quote. Thank you.
For hundreds of thousands of years people who were more introverted lived in small communities and didn't really have to travel far or meet lots of new people. In the last 100 years people have been moving further and further away from old friend groups and families. The modern world demands that at least a third of people fake extroversion in order to live and work. Humanity has never been in a position like this before. Well done Dr. Mate for pointing out so many of societies modern ills!
Psilocybin containing mushrooms saved my life. The drastically reduced my benzodiazepine withdrawal allowing me to quite illicit pill addiction after three years of heavy daily use before it would had became medically dangerous to quit. It has also helped me survive depression.
The Trips I've been having really helped me a lot,I finally feel in control of my emotions and my future and things that used to be mundane to me now seem incredible and full of nuance on top of that I'm way less driven by my ego and I have alot more empathy as well
@Lillian Victoria I was having this constant, unbearable anxiety due to work stress. Not until I came across *dr.jeromespores* a very intelligent mycologist. He saved my life honestly
@Lillian Victoria Use the name dr.jeromespores to check him out on. 👇🏻
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@@ryancihet555 I feel the same way too. I put too much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels. I am also glad to be a part of this community.
I can't wait for this one. I work in paediatric mental health and I'm constantly talking to colleagues about Gabor. Absolutely gold standard
Everything that comes out of Gabor's mouth is gold
Don’t be ridiculous...he is an exceptionally good con.
Hi everyone, I am literally going through the worst challenge in my life and feel like this video is changing my life at the moment. Super grateful and huge hug 🤗❤️ listen to yourself and love yourself
Grab a book of his. He's so wonderful. All the best to you. You can make it. You can get through the worst. You are not alone!
🤗 Sending you a hug
Oh my, after a two hour tour-de-force of the soul, I almost had to cry in the end, when Rich closed the talk with a very personal statement. I am deeply, deeply grateful for your podcast, Mr. Roll. May god protect you and your family! THANK YOU.
Rich Roll is one of the best interviewer out there thanks to his experience with trauma. I wish Gabor Mate was a lot more mainstream given the sheer amount of help his work has provided me. So far in my life and in my personal development journey he's been the most helpful. I thank you Gabor for your help in making my life a tiny more enlightened.
I like this interview as well with Dr Mate: czcams.com/video/OvSL6RZCkyI/video.html
Dr Mate is a healer in all aspects. Even just listening to his voice I find myself relaxing. Such important information. Thank you!!
Dr Gabor Mate has helped so many people, he is right when he says ‘our society doesn’t do enough to help us be healthy, yet has loads of resources to undermine our health’…with the pandemic no resources were spend on what would help our immune systems; movement exercise, balanced healthy eating and social supportive connections. Instead the pandemic allowed for unfettered screen time for young children, free donuts were given with vaccine jabs and everyone was told to stay away from their loved ones - one wonders whose interests our governments truly serve?
@@rambunctiousvegetable2025
How come?
Well, we know who Trump was interested in looking after.
I love Gabor but I also really love Rich Roll and your calm and relaxed interviewing style and your overall calming and reassuring presence.I really love your interviews and you honest and open approach.
Its just such a pleasurable listen to not only what you say but how you say it,your voice and tone is very relaxing and good for the nervous system :)
Also totally agree with Gabors assessment of how its dangerous for young kids or teenagers to put their peer group as their major source of attachment or approval and to look for guidance or knowledge they should begetting from elders".I get it that teenagers by their nature and development are at the point of seeking more indpendence and individuating from parents but too often it is done with little guidance from parental input and good communication.
Very well stated! I couldnt agree more
Correct, kids today identify with their peers more than their families. But that is not necessarily the situation everywhere. There are societies where, even today, that is not the case because they have not gone off track like we have. It's time to reestablish connections with parents, families and communities otherwise we are lost.
I totally agree. Some other podcast interviewers give me anxiety. RR lowers my blood pressure! Stress reliever ❤️
@@jimparsons4312 yeah sometimes I tune in just to listen to his voice as it relaxes me...don't even pay attention to content 🤣
@@upendasana7857 love it!
What a breath of fresh air when listening to this topic. I really appreciate the atmosphere you bring in these interviews, and this perspective on the topic really does shine a light on our crippling society. We cannot paint positivity over what is really happening and really need to focus on the true nature of human beings and our environment. Once we get those two things healthy and thriving what a beautiful world we could make.
Dear Rich, I am living proof of what Dr Mate has discovered. I was a 'yes' person which led me to having cancer. 15 years later, I face new challenges and stresses. Thanks to you and your amazing prophet guests like Gabor, remind us to never go back to where we were. Thank you Rich
Loved it. Gabor is a Father, an Elder, a Healer and Light.
Dr. Mate is a living legend worthy of accolades and more for his brilliant work 😎
Doctor Matt is so soothing, but also touching in an area,that doctors and people do not want to talk about...I cannot understand the reason this side of life is so hidden!?
It's so satisfying to hear this! As someone that developed a drug addiction to cover the pain I was going through, I met many many addicts and quickly realized that each of them had a trauma somewhere in their life and from that point they started using. I went to rehab and they reprogram you and never talked about what started the addiction. But now I know I was on the right track and I truly believe that all drug addicts have a deep hurt within them that they cover up with drugs.
Painful trauma does not get resolved immediately unless you have a profound spiritual experience which has happened. For most people it is like pulling a thread out of the fabric until it all unravels. The things in my past that used to horrify me when I was acting out in my addiction are less painful to look it. Gaining a surer foothold on life comes with honesty and diminishes the hold trauma and your thoughts about your behavior has on you.
Ive seen enough to completely agree with you, drug addiction (most of the time) stems from trauma in their past, a deep hurt, as you said it.
The way he describes the autoimmune disease is exactly how I got mine.
My chronic illness is a direct order for me to be me and change my path. I feel it is a blessing, there is no other way to get through to me.
I've been reading Gabor since his Realm of Hungry Ghosts " book, (2009?) And everything since. He is just brilliant. His book on ADD, Scattered Minds, and raising kids, Hold Your Kids Close, are excellent for anyone dealing with any part of those groups. Highly recommend him, I have been helped soooooooo much by Dr Mate. I really love him, and thank him so much.
The way Gabor said that what is happening to me is not a disease but trauma from my childhood and this alcohol, sex, drugs, etc. is the way I deal with, or have dealt with my pain, is what I have been saying for a long time.
Thank-you Rich. I just found your channel and it's unbelievable the amount of high quality education information you put out on your channel. This channel is a real 💎.
Same here! I just discovered it today and I am so grateful to find this amazing channel! ❤️🙏
When my babies cried, I picked them up. I would not let them cry, by themselves, in their bed, couldn’t. It made me and the baby happy every time.
I will make sure to be this parent
Good on you my Mom had the idea ingrained in her let them cry they get used of being held it terrible advice. I believed it but gladly didn't do that to my daughter. I dont get the logic of depriving a kid of love and comfort its the most rediculous concept.
* Gabor Maté taught me about REAL human nature and what we REALLY need. Our entire modern world is based on false wants programmed into us in our childhood via a warped hierarchical narrative where the least among us have the most power and rule and manipulate us to temporarily soothe their own small-t trauma turned egoic megalomania.... may our next revolution represent life and real human nature because if it doesn't we and our planet our doomed! This battle ultimately is about Life vs. Death... and our "culture" of death is winning.
As said many times before, this culture is a death cult.
Washington Post recently editorialized that war is good. Bonkers.
They are driving humanity off a cliff, it's up to us people to stop them. "Power responds to power" - Chris Hedges
Many generations have lived in fear and uncertainty. The poisoning we are all being exposed to has complicated our lives exponentially, and made healing more difficult, if not impossible for so many.
Yep , and to realise the powers that be put so much work to distract us from our true selves is so huge.
@@sis8521indeed, there's a lot to distract us, but if ur committed to healing, distractions are superfluous...at least for me.
Wow. Just wow. This man is a gift to humanity.
"The question is not why the addiction, but why the pain. And you can't punish pain out of people."
Maté's in-sights on the the subjects of childhood trauma (and equally widespread addictive behaviour as a direct result from it) cannot be sufficiently highlighted and validated, for they dramatically change the perspective from countless systemic (and so-called 'defectuous) individuals to a most toxic societal and cultural environment ceaselessly generating both mental and physical disease to begin with. No matter how dire the human response to that environmental threat and pressure may be, there is nothing really wrong with any victim suffering from them, quite on the contrary: revolting against them (by any possible means) is actually a good and healthy sign and reaction. The greatest and most tragic victims amongst us are those who find themselves well-adjusted to a profoundly sick and insane society.
An amazing man this doctor: straightforward ,yet kind and considerate with sensitivity...
Truly a beautiful interview....so rich!
I am so glad to see more of Gabor Mate lately, he is back making the rounds. His message needs to be understood for society to get better.
May we all help to make a less toxic world and heal ourselves. Thank you Gabor!!❤
I was a 12 steps member for more then a decade when I came across Gabor's work. I realised that I can spend many years there without healing the core issue which was my trauma. I needed deeper healing and through therapy, counselling , shadow work and psychedelics I was able to go deeper. I'm not identify myself as an addict anymore, I left the fellowship and I became more authentic and as Gabor said I find myself.
The 12 steps program SHOULD NOT BE A LIFE SENTENCE.
IT Should be a nest where we grow up and leave when we are ready. I wish and hope that the 12 steps program will evolve and do a reform and won't stigmatize people anymore
That is so true we put a lot of pressure on the children😢.
Just found this channel. Wow, have I been missing a gem! Love Dr. Mate, not just for his insightful expertise, but also for his willingness to share his own struggles & humanity ❤️.
This interview was excellent!
I'm hooked instantly on this channel.
Susan! I'm jealous of you! I've been following Rich since 2015ish and haven't missed many episodes. If you knew the amazing content you have yet to discover of Rich's, your mind would explode. Enjoy diving deep with Rich, he will change the way you see your life!
I need to talk to Dr Gabor Maté. No doctor has treated my whole body and they cut me off when I mention my single event PTSD and my chronic-complex PTSD.
I'm sorry that happened to you! Have you ever been to a licensed trauma therapist? Good trauma therapy includes the body as well.
Hello! There are so many amazing trauma therapists that are available to help you work through your “stuff” and help you unpack. It takes so much bravery and courage to even acknowledge that there’s work to be done. Listen to his YT videos, they help validate you while you search for a therapist and embark on this journey of self discovery. So much love and light to you 🤍
I was a student nurse at 18 yrs of age. I had to deal with very upsetting situations on a daily basis. Also i’m a very sensitive person & these traumatic situations had a great impact on my psyche. I couldn’t sleep at night or function during the day
5:55 that's why it's important that we all help each other get to where we need to to create a safety net to keep people from falling through.
This man speaks with such warmth and love it's hard to not listen intently to hear the message
An amazingly insightful conversation (as usual)! The more I observe aspects of our culture and learn about the effects of colonialization, the more I am convinced our culture is sociopathic. It is difficult to look at but as an individual, I see it as my job to continue to look, not look away, and work to better both myself and society however I can.
it's not so much our culture that's sociopathic but the socioeconomic conditions we all live under (*cough* capitalism *cough*)
The first time I went to an NA meeting and heard someone say " Hello, I'm so and so and I'm an addict", I was so confused because that person had been clean for so many years. When I questioned why they identified that way I was met with resistance and anger. I just did not understand why they would identify that way when I was seeing a healed person who was more than an addiction. It never sat well with me because I truly believe all diseases including the disease of addiction has a cure. It's so comforting to know that the science and work of so many great minds are bringing this to light by being so bold and brave and challenging the current paradigms and modalities of addiction and recovery.
Gabor's epigenetic presentation is EXCELLENT! Straight-forward and synced.
This is so great to hear from Gabor Mate again! I love how Rich makes the most out of his episodes for the things he is dealing with which we all deal with!
When you take the disease by the hand and befriend it to find out why it's visiting right now,and then i come from love instead of fear, i stood apart from the control,and could appreciate it and let that bugger go. I've had lupus for over 30 yrs,and when the body does attack itself, it recovers better and quicker with this approach. It's been my greatest teacher for sure. Gabor Mate, thankyou for seeing this and being such a force for understanding and change.
Listened to this yesterday while on a long walk in the woods. What combination for building a wonderful day. Thanks Rich and Gabor.
I was very fortunate to have had a course within my degree program on the topic of childhood trauma and mental health. Through this course I was faced with my own traumas but it was nessary for me to allow myself to feel the pain so I can now support children experiencing trauma. Otherwise I would not be able to help without being terribly triggered. The understanding of how trauma effects us is so important, although painful. I have for the first time in fifty-three years been able to remember my childhood without feeling rage, rejection, and abandoned.
Rich, I cannot express the gratitude I feel for all of the information / education I have derived from your podcast, which in turn has been monumental in my recovery. Thank you 1000 times over. ❤🙏
Extreme poverty (material and spiritual) is the worst act of violence. The system which is materialistic 100%, makes you feel guilty if you don't comply with its dishonest, incoherent, unjust, cynic, sick ways, plus the poisoned foods and drugs..what else can we expect.....love Dr Mate been listening him for few years now, great interview Gracias Dr Mate again ..
this man fascinates me in his simple explanation, the clarity of what he is able to state about humanity.
As a young women I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia, I was in so much pain that I had to live at home again. I was seeing my doctor weekly for the pain but one visit changed everything. The doctor was becoming rude and insensitive to my challenge and I suddenly made the decision to stop seeing her. I walked out of the doctor's office and felt this feeling of freedom. I was also scared. I cried all the way home. I remember thinking that I will have to figure this out myself. Literally, the next day I realized that I was not feeling pain, it had been ten years of pain. As you can imagine I didn't believe it was actually gone, but after days of no pain I was confused. I think that sometimes we can become so dependent on our doctors that we forget that we have some say in our own well-being. It might be as simple as taking our control back. I haven't experienced that pain in 25 years now.
I adore Dr. Mate. One of the great thinkers of our age. Thank you for this conversation!
Thank you soooo much for having Dr. Maté! So many more people need to know of his work related to trauma and disease❤
Appreciation for Rich, for working so hard and caring so hard to be a great dad to his kids.
Listening for dr Maté for a couple of years now has help understand just a tiny bit about my addiction and that’s a huge help for someone who think he is just wrong
It gives hope for society and our future as more and more people are being exposed to his work
At 01:14:28 I would suggest Pete Walker's book as a map on psychoeducation and understanding the fight/flight/freeze/fawn for AA as the book Complex PTSD from Surviving is gold on the subject. I recall 12 weeks I did in AA and I stopped going as found it quite dogmatic in only one book reference. I also do not believe we are powerless. I used alcohol to self-soothe as I began firstly I won't knock those 12 weeks as it gave me enough time to see that something else was going on in me. I then went and got therapy but pre that tons of psychoeducation. No two paths will be the same and as PW says "Healing is not all or Nothing". I have bought the new book by Gabor on Audible and loved this interview. I also think as Gabor says repeating a negative statement about what "I Am" is not helpful to people on any level. To say yes I have this issue that I need help with is another matter. Anyways .. healing to us all and as Jung pointed out the route to becoming whole is a life's work to our last breath. I also think that telling one's story develops over time and can be used to help others as one is able to self-soothe in loving healthy ways then the story softens popping up only at times in nightmares or triggers but we then improve upon our reactions again via psychoeducation. We do not need to perfect anything we are beautifully human.
This is my first time getting to hear Dr. Maté talk i really love what you guys have done in this podcast just all the different topics you guys cover you guys do an amazing job,
That's all we need, speaking/sharing our truth! thank you both for that.
"...[AA] helping to gain agency over our addictive patterns, is it also entrenching us in a self-identity..." This line from Dr. Gabor Maté struck a chord. As an AA I often mediate on the identity I am creating with the language of AA.
Rich you are really an ultra amazing human being. I am awed by your vocabulary, your flow of conversation, and so much more. Thank you from a grateful recovering alcoholic.
I’m very grateful for this platform and Rich for bringing us knowledge and wisdom. Blessings to you brother!
Great to see Dr. Gabor here again, great minds on your channel. People need to LISTEN and THINK and ACT.
Thank you so much. Since finding Dr.Mate and reading some of his books I have now realized my trauma and why I was diagnosed with MS in my early 20’s. I love all of this!!! Thank you Rich my mind is blown!
Rich, I enjoyed this interview. After 40plus years in 12-step recovery, the acknowledgment of my own trauma has also been helpful. In the early days, We just didn't know what to do with it. In my work these days with Dads in recovery, Trauma awareness is essential. Love Melts Trauma. Thank you again for this work. Sending Love.
Love melts trauma. Crucial.
Thank you! Gabor Mate is always great to listen to. Waiting patiently for his new book
Always loved Doctor Mate's work. Thank you both for taking the time to share.
THIS.WAS.PERFECT!
From the ALL TO RELATABLE epitaph joke, to the disgusting set up of our systematic oppression and culturally opressive expectations, to the encouragement to listen to your parental instincts vs. Current parental trends.
Thank you to you both! There was NOTHING I didn't love (and I personally have a lot of beef with AA... but you both addressed its place in society well.)
I especially LOVED the real language. All the f*cks and bullsh*ts cause it's healthy anger!!!!!
You're my hero, Rich. I know endurance and veganism sparked the press, but it's the addiction recovery that I look up to you the most for. Edit: And I'm also vegan and getting into Ironmans ;)
@Texasgirlinacrazyworld Texasgirlinacrazyworld? lol - it's people like you that make the world worse. Why troll on positivity?
Thank you very much. Perfect description why I'm leaving society thinking that I was the wrong one and no able to fit in and always trying to help to be helpless.
Love the way Dr. Maté speaks about addiction, putting trauma awareness in the forefront rather than the substance (alcohol, drugs, etc.) and the subsequent labelling
Love this talk..love you both! Your honest connection, you vulnerability, your maturity... such a packed interview! I immediately want to hit replay..
Have known this and it's challenging to teach to my coaching clients. Asking the right questions is always the goal. Everyone can benefit from this episode! Brilliant and so crucial to all today!!
thank you Rich! Unbelievably great guest, and very well managed interview! such a pleasure to listen
I have 2 Autoimmune diseases... Grew up in a VERY Toxic household 🙏💕
Thank you I’ve been watching your channel and many of Gabor Mate’s interviews as I’m dealing with my husbands battle with addiction and the trauma/PTSD We’ve both endured.
I recently was diagnosed with a very rare auto immune disease, and I’m absolutely fascinated to dive into trauma and the links to addiction and my own health and disease. I personally grew up in a very toxic environment filled with many traumatic occasions.
Thank you this is an incredible connection I can wait to read more about.
Great discussion. Can't wait to read this new book! Gabor, you are a world treasure!
One of my favourites 🙏🏾 Thank you Rich.
The more I listen to Dr Gabor Mate, the more I listen to ME at last...!
Thank you Rich Roll for this podcast episode inviting Gabor Maté. Its so important to speak in public about traumas in connection to diseases in order to spread this knowledge in society. There's more than food, lack of movement and sleep that makes you sick. Sometimes its even so deap that the cause of a disease is a intergenerational trauma. Interesting that he points out the importance of the social and cultural toxicity as a reason for the raise of mental diseases or autoimmun diseases. So those diseases are a society problem.
I love his definition of trauma as not defining it as an event rather then as an emotional consequence of the event or not-event. Its calming to know that gens are turned on and off according to the circumstances.
We are totally out of balance as society. Some are hit worse, some are less, but in total we all get touched in one way or an other. Great example about the kid being angry or the misinformation of not picking up a crying baby, how you suppress natural human reaction and you start conditioning them that its not ok to feel like you feel and learn them that love is conditional. Society really doesnt support healing.
I totally agree we need a trauma sensitive medicine and legal system.
I also think its important to talk in public about your own traumatic experiences or mental struggeling. It helps and relieves. But as said you shouldnt victimize yourself or even identify yourself with your disease, especially in case of mental disorders. And you shouldnt take the open talking about your problems as an excuse to not change anything about it, as you should stay in your self-empowerment and self-responsabilty.
Facinating about the trauma definition.
I could listen to you both for hours. Thank you for this insightful conversation.
Loved this conversation. A dialogue so needed in this time and place.
Wow. I’ve heard of Gabor Mate for years but this is the first book I’ve bought of his (kindle edition while listening to this interview). I’m excited about reading it as I “recover” from heart surgery. I’ve done lots of personal growth work to date, but at 76 yrs old, I know it can be an intriguing lifelong process. This book is the next step for me. Thank you Rich Roll for the connection to this very wonderful Doctor. Much love to you both. ^..^ XOX ❤️🥳