Italy, where was your live orchestra? (Eurovision 2022)
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2022
- Italy, where was your live orchestra in Turin?
When the Eurovision Song Contest was created in 1956 it was directly inspired by the Italian Sanremo festival. The live orchestra was removed from Eurovision in 1999, but at Sanremo it's naturally still present.
We had high hopes that Italy and RAI would re-introduce the live orchestra for the ESC in Turin.
The Italians are very proud of their orchestras and live music traditions. Almost every Italian TV-show includes some kind of live orchestra or live band. The Sanremo orchestra has an extended rythm-section including synths, drum machines etc. to make sure it can accompany all kinds of music.
Unfortunately the EBU (European Broadcasting Union) keeps insisting that live music is not part
of their concept and branding. They prefer to focus on the visual parts of the show.
To be fair the EBU and RAI deserves praise for presenting a impressive and advanced visual show.
But could it still be called a music event?
This video with clips from the Sanremo festival proves that live music in the Eurovision Song Contest could be possible in our time. It's a matter of priority.
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I like live event with orchestra and also performances on native languages!
We had Live orchestra in the Danish final..
And in Albanian Festivali I Kenges
And we were there in Herning! The live orchestra makes all the difference! Love from Norway!
So sad that the orchestra and the conducturs can't return to the ESC. I want Anders Berglund back to the ESC 🤗
i was hoping that Italy would change this tradition back, but unfortunately the eurovision organized by italy had nothing in common with the San Remo festivals where there is an live orchestra. Sorry for the bad english, but I hope the message reached its destination.
Eurovision is now clearly a song contest not a musical event. I actually didn't know that the EBU is actually prioritising the visual show. I mean it was obvious but I thought that it just happened. And that's the reason that I don't watch eurovision. Till mid 90s it was still a musical event with its live orchestra, the audience dressed in their suits and with an elegant behaviour. The singers themselves were with a different behaviour as if they were in a sacred place. I don't know if I'm the only one who sees it in such way. Now it's like a music talent show. I can't bare watch it.
"Now it's like a music talent show" but without music and without talent, it's only a visual show with noise, lights, smoke and fire!
John Oliver put it best as he said in his show once that Eurovision is" basically America's Got Talent minus the America, and frequently, the talent". I'd love to see if he has a take on this years' edition with the results we had tonight on LWT.
Honestly, for me, that's not the only reason I personally think ESC took a turn for the worse in the late 90's, for me one the biggest mistakes ever was lifting the rule that would make every country sing in a native language of their own instead of constantly choosing to sing in English, the beauty of pre-99 ESC lied on the fact that the focus was on the singers rather than on the visuals which made the show much more intimate and made us be much more in touch with the artists and their music, and the fact that all those artists were singing in their own native languages back then reflected the real diversity of Europe as a whole, all that officially disappeared in 1999 and the show itself went massively downhill since then.
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The french audience was VERY low this year. Only 3 M viewers watched the show.
With an orchestra the size of Sanremo's, one would have to remove the green room!! THere wasn't much going on with interviews there this year, so who knows? I miss the richness of that sound of beauty!
If I'm not mistaken, Sanremo's orchestra is made of more or less 60 musicians, it isn't a huge one (the theatre is very small). You might like this one: czcams.com/video/cuI0fjxpmYY/video.html 🙂
Passion, charisma, beauty, blood, great rhythm, and song, orchestra... yes, there's no sign of any of these on nowadays's Eurosong. I don't watch it at all.
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Eurovision Torino: The Sound of Magnetic Tape.
haha.. true :)
I stopped watching this video contest in 1999.
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Please do a ‘UK, where was your live orchestra?’ video. now that Liverpool 2023 is over. The BBC concert orchestra is insane, and it’s such a shame that Birmingham 1998 was the last contest with live music
I totally agree with you!!! I don't think that anybody between the RAI's organizers didn't ask to reintroduce the orchestra. Anyway, if EBU is more interested in visual parts and not in live music, ther's nothing to do. ESC 2022 was amazing!!!! But the orchestra would be the icing on the torta.
actually RAI asked for that
Unfortunately, the thing that in Italy scared most in hosting Eurovision was transforming into Sanremo and this didn't happen and all of the Eurovision fans in Italy were happy
happy ???
Exactly
Yes, of course, orchestral versions are nice to listen to and it's great that the Sanremo still sticks to it. But there are several problems that you don't even consider as a viewer. There is the time factor for example. The representative for each country should be found much sooner then, because you need the time for preparation the orchestral versions. And Sanremo have the time, because they know what songs they have to play weeks to months ahead.
A team of musicians or the composers should also be able to ensure an orchestral version of each song. In other words, notes and harmonies for an orchestra would have to be provided for each song. Then a new orchestra would have to be found and incorporated every year. Then the rehearsals would have to be guaranteed. In other words, every artist needs more rehearsals especially with the orchestra. This would mean that you would have to rent the venue longer every year. And then it would all cost even more money. And not every country can really do all tribes. So there are no chances that the orchestra will ever return to Eurovision.
So if it’s so impossibly difficult to produce Eurovision with a live orchestra, how come it was managed every year until 1998?
@@jayamber4448 Because hosting Eurovision in 1998 is nothing like hosting Eurovision today. There are 2 times more participating nations, and also during the old days, there was barely any preparation besides hiring a conductor and finding an arrangement. There was little to no camera work, the hosting costs were overall cheaper, and it was just another time (although the live orchestra already began to feel outdated in the 90s). And just like Frank said, building an orchestra today, in 2 months, would be mission impossible, and a waste of money not only for delegations, but also for the hosting country.
You just have to accept that the orchestra is outdated and will never ever return. And that's for the better.
@Frank Henneick I have to say I'm kind of impressed with your list coming up with all these creative excuses. What you write about the time factor doesn't make much sence to me. Firstly a professional orchestrator/arranger usually only need a few days (maybe in some cases maximum a week) to write an arrangement for a 3 minute pop song. Also in todays contest songs are often re-arranged/re-produced in studio for the final version. So the only difference there is that you need someone who know how to write for a larger group of musicians. Secondly the rehearsal time back in the 90s and 80s where not longer than today. The orchestra will rehearse at some other place and know the songs in advance before the artists arrive. And then there is no need to rent the venue any longer than nowadays. Of course musicians and extra sound engineers cost money, so that's the only argument against live music which I to some extent can understand. But ulimately this is a matter of priority. For me and many other people live music is not a question about extreme luxury . It's a question of providing what we think is a basic feature. As the biggest music event in the world Eurovision deserves better than pre-recorded backing track being the only option.
@@trambus1144 Firstly what you write about the camera work is simply not true. Maybe in the fifties and sixties, but definately not the late 80s and 90s. Secondly, if you hire first class musicians, which is natural for an international event as Eurovison, the musicians will only need maximum 4-5 days of rehearsals before the artists arrive. These are professional musicians who knows how to read sheet music. And then they will rehearse with the artists with approximately the same amount of rehearsals as today. (the rehearsal in the 90s where not longer than today) So what you are saying about two months is actually nonsense to be honest. And at last, live music will never be outdated. Off course the orchestra/band has to be upgraded to accompany todays pop music. But look at Sanremo where keyboard- , synthsplayers and drum machines are added to the band.
@@trambus1144 Sanremo Orchestra manages something like maybe 50 tracks every year, in no more than two months, and they work live on air on the TV show for something like 25 hours in a week. The rehearsals can be easily done in an different auditorium (as usually is).
Of course if you mean that choreography is ‘the better’ over music, your simply right like that. But it’s no more about all this music matter and explanations, it’s just about giving a show with a relative efforts for music quality, full of artists with not such a musical level.
Even Cirque Du Soleil uses live music, bro. That proofs live music and performances can go very well together.
If the BBC get it, get on to Dave Arch.
His orchestra can pull off almost anything on Strictly
wow! listen to that messed up electric guitar at 0:26 :D
I suppose that the orchestra was put up during the thought process betweet RAI and EBU, but they feared that the event was already starting to be too much sanremified (if that's a verb haha) and dropped it.
It's a shame because we also have the more classical RAI Auditorium Symphonic Orchestra here in Turin, so they didn't even have to bulk ship musicians from somewhere else...
In some years the 80's Sanremo festival was in full playback ! when ESC was live with orchestra !
@@abfab7830 Not pretty much in full playback, just the instruments. It happened in the 1980s because Sanremo was experimenting according to the times, but again starting in 1990 the orchestra went back to never leave again because the lesson at the Sanremo Festival had already been absorbed. That's why the first year without orchestra in ESC (1998) is been the definitive first year of Italy's big hiatus.
At Sanremo the orchestra is really great and offers good live versions of all kinf of music (not only gay eurobeat Eurovision).
That's a real musical festival.
Italy barely manages to make ESC on Time, they release the logo even after San Remo and their stage was a dysfunctional black hole that make 30 countries make their staging again, we should be thankful that at least we got the show
what an arrogant, false and stupid comment
hater
The Italian saxophonist ruined the greek entry in Eurovision 1991 that was hosted in italy
How many times haven't bad singers ruined songs since then? And still we let people sing live.
@@escLIVEmusic1 the song that Greece had send to Eurovision that year was AMAZING and the singer was so good ,the saxophonist wasn’t Greek but Italian so basically the ITALIAN saxophonist ruined there entry so I think it’s better not to use live orchestra in Eurovision
@@cookland9237 Why not send music videos instead, to be safe? *sarcastic laugh* I know the incident from the 1991 you mention. To my mind, this is as an example of what can happen if the general production is not good enough. Using that as an argument against live music in general is a bit narrow minded I think. Actually.. on the other side I think that flawed solo has made «I anixi» a classic Eurovisin moment. Ok..It is a famous song in the Greek-speaking world. But apart from Greece and Cyprus I think this performance is rembered by many fans - not in spite of, but actually because of the clumsy sax solo. After all, live music is about the exitement of the moment ;)
Then pop songs wouldn't sound nice. Imagine Albania's song in Orchestra. It will be so different and not as alive as it sounds.
With a first class musicians and first class sound engineer it's no problem to sound as good as on the recording, or even betteer. I think the Italian songs included in this video sounds better than the Eurovision versions. Actually in Albania all songs are perfomed with a live orchestra in their natinal contest Festivali i kenges.
Her original version in Albania NF was with a Orchestra and it was far away better than the Eurovision version.
Now Spain's song with a Orchestra would be interesting.
yeah, im italian but disappointed as hell with this year tbh :/ idc about the sun malfunction because i think it should be about the music anyway (and maybe a perfect choreo etc like spain)
but im disappointed because it couldve been a lot more sanremo-like (orchestra first of all, and stairs, and the just like. prestigious feel sanremo got, even with modern songs)
instead everyone is happy that ebu didnt let this show really be italian, saying “orchestras would ruin a lot of entries”… then make it like in 90s where countries could choose not to use them? easy
An Italian who knows the Eurovision Song Contest ??? incredible !!!!
I can't get behind this, sound quality and production would suffer a lot for it.
Also, the last time Italy used an orchestra, Greece got iconically and hilariously fucked over.
With modern sound technology it's possible to make the orchestra sound nearly perfect. The sound of the Sanremo orchestra the last couple of years is a proof of that, which you also hear in this video as well. Compare the Sanremo live orchestra versions of "Brividi", "Occidentalis karma" or "Zitti e buoni" with the Eurovision versions. It's like night and day, if you ask me, with the Sanremo versions so much better. I think the 1991-production is irrelevant in today's context. That was a farcical production where a lot of things went wrong, not just that clumsy sax solo.
@@escLIVEmusic1 Yeah, the production that year was pretty clumsy, but not as clumsy as Toto's performance as a presenter.
@@escLIVEmusic1 Live version of "La genesi del tuo colore" by Irama was excellent !!
So sorry for Greece, but that mess doesn’t proof anything compares to 73 years of tradition, including all those years with orchestra in ESC.
EBU Prefers To Focus on The Visual Parts ???? It is a SONGcontest so they should focus on the music !
It was behind the sun.... besides... it´s not 1956 anymore... most songs are modern... not made for orchestra...
You obviously didn't watch the whole video. So the songs by Måneskin or Mahmood are not modern songs?
@@escLIVEmusic1 I didn´t do individual judgement but I did watch it all... I said MOST songs
they are not modern, they sound like 90's Eurodance ! no evolution at all.
@@abfab7830 Well... I think most songs have gone further than the 90s... while some are stuck in 70s... Again... I said MOST songs... compared to orchester-versions
@@martinbertilsson1654 but the studio versions are always there. Orchestral version is an opportunity, and it can fit very well every kind of music, because nowadays orchestras involve electronic sounds as well. Electronic music can be live as well. So simple.