First Look - Mega Kremlin, IJN CLs & Schröder
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- A first look at a multitude of upcoming ships in WoWS, including the whole new IJN "light cruiser" line. That has more health and range than Zao. Heh.
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0:00 T10 Tromp
4:12 T5 Agano
6:33 T6 Gokase
9:30 T7 Omono
13:16 T8 Shimanto
19:15 T9 Takahashi
24:02 T10 Yoda + bridge comparison with Atago
29:42 T7 Tokachi
31:46 T11 Sekiryu (the blackhole to end all blackholes)
35:18 T11 Admiral Ushakov (how much Armor do you want? yes!)
48:52 Stay hydrated
49:00 T9 Schrödinger - Hry
47:06 is a pretty solid meme, 10/10 ship design by the soviets. Thanks for adding chapters Haeppchen!
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Schrödinger, Häppchen?
I lost it when you pulled up the Nimitz xD WTFF
Tier X Tramp will be that guy behind the same island all battle
LOL they dare say Zao is fine and give the light cruiser line these stats? Proper WeeGee antics right there.
Yodo's front mid turret with the rangefinder kind of resembles Micky Mouse :D
Ushakov: The engine is Chernobyl’s fourth reactor which runs off Tsar Bomba, armoured with pure Stalinium, shoots 457mm bottles of Vodka, and has a little button which activates the hand of Stalin’s ghost to guide your shells to the enemy with pin-point accuracy!
XD
No it shoots 9 ladas filled with smirnoff in its he shells haha
is it going to have kremlins mid-close range accuracy tho?
Tromp is gonna be a measurement unit for DDs like Zao is for cruisers.
Zao is actually decent though. This is a heavy cruiser with DD guns, hp, and armor. It is literally a worse pensacola with airstrike and no cits….
Zao looks pretty decent compared to this. It's more like tiger 59 for cruisers.
850 mm plate on the turret back is used as a counterweight, not as armour
Good point. Just interesting wg would include that little realism detail on a ship displacing over 100k tons and producing more power than a nuclear carrier
Counterweight to all the bullshit on other side, i see.
I mean that's cool and all but this is a made up ship and while that might be what it's used for in real life it will act like armour in game.
That would be the most realistic thing WG have ever done
According to the definate of Battleship acordding to soviet goverment plan , it should rush into enamy fleets and fight anainst the hole fleet(because soviet navy lack the number of ships). So they designed suck thick arrmor for turret back to prevent shells from the other side when they aim something on one side since Soviet class battleship
Ushakov having more HP than a Nimitz is honestly a pretty big cope
Displaces more than Nimitz and produces more power with diesel turbines than nuclear reactors. Great memes
so you shoot it and its automatic lose with BIG BOOM
Russian ships having the best and thickest armor is hilariously stupid and ironic. Russia did not have the capabilities to make thick enough plating similar to other battleships. Yet here in game its compensated for with make believe. I really do think that wargaming is sucking up to russia hard. Its bizarre
@@jonhg92
Historically, they didn't have a DC ability, just mutiny and sinking. The most effective attacks ever delivered by the Russian/Soviet navy was throwing binoculars and harsh language.
HE spammer wet dream of farming fire damage as it's percentage damage and not constant value
WG Battleship Ushakov: *The final boss of battleships!*
Real Battleship Ushakov: A small coastal battleship, scuttled during the Battle of Tsushima after being hit twice.
Ohhh that's why... They are still holding a grudge after the glorious, invincible, god-tier russian navy was totally obliterated during the Battle of Tsushima.
@@xLuna18 There was a famous quote from some admiral who said that the russian navy was only good at sinking triumphantly. Referring to cruiser Varyag sinking itself. I wish I could find it.
@@xLuna18 Thats what happens to a tsarist navy, the USSR's Navy , especially Post WW2 was God-tier
@@sovietheart3883 Copium intensifies
@@fanis1414 Yes, its sad what modern capitalist russia did with the All mighty soviet navy, I suffer PTSD
Using Nimitz-class as a benchmark we can now scentifically estimate that the power of SOVIET FANTSY is about 20% stronger than the power of nuclear fission. Didn't even need a spreadsheet for that
All that armor and still they managed to get about 30ft of freeboard and a top speed of 30kn, truly an engineering marvel
In fairness, top speed isn't a function of weight. Acceleration is, but top speed is almost entirely dependant on shp and hydrodynamics
Waterline should be at conning tower Level, agreed.
Have you not heard Flamuu? Admiral Ushakov is powered by a miniature RBMK reactor, same design as reactor no 4, which definitely did NOT suffer catastrophic failure. All that Armor is definitely NOT used for radiation shielding.
seems legit.
Of course the reactor's gonna run at the meltdown capacity. It's not russian if it's not going over the top. I wouldn't be surprised if WG gives it a passive damaging ability from radiation. Ships would start takeing damage at certain range(ignoring the islands), and it would increase the closer they get. And if they spend too much time under this ability a special debuff will be aplied to them Radiation poisoning, with would keep the damage going even after levaing the area of efffect.
Small open top turrets: 30s traverse
Triple chonky turrets: 6s traverse
Wg's multiverse confirmed
14:56 turrets so goofy it makes Zieten look normal
For a nation that couldnt even produce barely mediocre armour, the russian pipe dream ships are truely from another world
Lmao
Plot twist: 10 minutes into every battle, the Ushakov detonates when the overclocked reactor blows up.
That giga Kremlin is ridiculous. The Soviet Navy never managed to successfully create cemented plating above 230 mm, and still even the the goddamn cruisers have battleship armor. They stopped using technical blueprints found in napkins and started using blueprints of Stalin used toilet paper.
I like the analogy(?) that a certain WoT streamer that got booted from the cc program used: "this shit was made by the wargaming ceo's son on a napkin and shown to his father" Paraphrasing of course.
At this point, they might as well just add in the real _Admiral Ushakov_ Kirov-class guided missile cruiser. Screw it, just add a new set of tiers featuring missile-armed ships. It's more content, WG doesn't need to fabricate blatantly fictional designs out of thin air, and it's not like balance actually matters at this point
Lmao no stalinuim Smifrnoff used paper
IJN's "AA cruiser" = Makes themselves easy targets so other important ships don't get harassed while those "AA cruisers" get absolutely mauled by enemy CVs.
That's a clever way to understand it, maybe you are right, "AA" Cruisers just attract the CVs, while you suffer, your allies also suffer, but not to the CV.
I have to wonder though, what kind of power plant could Wargaming have dreamt up for Ushakov.
It's based on mid-late 1940's technology.
The ship has a smoke stack, so it's not nuclear.
Even if they were to interconnect multiple engines in serial, or run multiple power plants in parallel, or heck, do both, what could possible output that much energy?
Not to mention how much fuel it would consume. There is no way a non-nuclear powered ship could weigh that much with outputs that high without consuming enough fuel to run a minor nation.
Wargaming can't justify this, there's no way on earth.
USS United States would have had a power plant of 280,000 horsepower, and she was laid down in 1949. A powerplant of 320,000 would definitely have been possible in that time, though definitely not by the Soviets lol.
Thats actually simple, they installed Factorio to power it up
@@Telashar 😂
@@yournamehere9928 True. And for what I can gather, the USS Forrestal had the same power output on 8 steam turbines.
My only complaints there would be the considerably larger fuel capacity in the supercarriers as compared to a super battleship. Not to mention the quality of the Soviet naval R&D and industry in the late1940's. Considering the fact that light cruisers were an engineering challenge for the USSR, seeing them try and produce this behemoth would have been a treat to say the least. 😂
Imagine the USSR trying to produce the 880mm steel plate for the back of these turrets in 1949 in their own factories.
@@Nick-rs5if even the yamato plate which had estimated thickness of 300mm to 400mm had to be riveted rather then welding because of its shear thickness, let alone having 880mm plate and 650mm plate being put together knowing that welding such degree of armor wouldn't be viable, Honestly it would've made more sense if the ship was the size of the H class blueprint just for proper buoyoncy to hold up that much armor and horsepower but nope WG fantasy is really high in the sky
They should've just given the super structure 35mm of plating so they never have to worry about HE spam again.
For what it’s worth, the SS United States was designed in 1950-51 and put to sea with 240,000 SHP, so clearly naval power plants were capable of these huge amounts of power in the early Cold War. If Soviet industry could produce such power plants is another question all together.
Most powerful steam plant the soviet ever built was 75K horsepower, the best nuclear plant they ever built was 120K (Kriov)
@@deepbludreams the fact that the Kirov only managed 120k is interesting, I’d wonder if it was a lack of engineering capacity or rather a lack of need. The Kirov’s were (relatively) light vessels considering their size, so they may have just not needed more power than that.
We can even take it a bit earlier with USS United States, which was designed with a 280,000 horsepower engine, and she was laid down in 1949.
@@jakebarnes9018 its mostly this,they really didn't need any more power because they weren't heavy ships
@@deepbludreams considering soviet industry were totally unable to produce concrete armour plating and had to produce layered armour for the Soyuz class, yeah its all wargaming bullshit
Can’t wait til a super ship has 1 meter of armor as a unit of measurement
5:00 the agano-class cruiser Yahagi was one of the ships that accompanied Yamato on her kamikaze mission in april 1945, under the command of legendary destroyer captain Tameichi Hara.
The "miracle" captain sailing the IJN Shigure with local news headline "the unsinkable ship" -1943
Another, Sakawa, accompanied Nagato to Bikini Atoll and was sunk by the Able test of Operation Crossroads.
Yea because the Soviet industry immediately after world war 2 definitely 100 percent had the capacity to make an 880mm armor plate….
I wonder what the actual weight of the mega kremlin would be … the armor plating alone would push it into above Yamato. Guns and turrets would be on par weight then it has machinery of myths. Forget 100k tons this is like 140k.
honestly I wouldn't surprised if it go up to 150-160k when fully loaded
@@vt7890 mmm for war time load then yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if it would push up to 170k
The people in chat actually asking the real question. How would it float???
@@shadowfox8748 it would float like the Kremlin in WW2 which people talk so much about
I remember fantasizing about a mega kremlin with smolenks secondaries, as a "theyd never do that" ship
well, shit
I love how soviet BBs are defined by heavy armor... while the naval bureau had problems procuring plates thicker than 20 cm due to manufacturing problems.
Talk about some Stalinium balans steel. I stopped tanks because of the stoopid power creep and it looks like ships going in just as heavy
15:00 those turrets look like I took a turret from a T-80U and stuck it on an M1A2 Abrams hull.
the game as a whole would be much better off if WG spent half the time developing game modes and new maps and fixing in-game bugs as they do on their precious premium ships.
Probably. But then they wouldnt be making that quick cash. Always short term for dumb businessmen
No it wouldn't as he said that making new modes n maps would be cool like but its not profitable for wg lol
The boxes next to the torpedo launchers on the Tier 7 Omono are quick-reloads for each launcher. They standard was to carry a full volley in the launcher + one reload for each tube in each launcher.
Once again loving how WG keep going on about dual purpose guns and then for some weird as reason all those barrels can still just produce the same 5-6 flack bursts as every other ship. I guess the rest of the multipurpose rounds are 22. rounds in a sabot or something :P
Great vid Flamu, thanks for the updates.
Mega Kremlin.
So with that armour thickness there actually would not be any space left INSIDE the ship.
It's solid metal xD
Pretty funny to think that its almost a meter of metal
“Stripping back the layers of bullshit” is one of the most apt terms describing wg’s work!!
Acutally, conventional powered forrestal class has total of 280,000 hp, which is higher than Nimitz class. Nimitz class is the supercarrier with least power output in United States Navy
I've been watching a lot of F1 recently and hearing Flamu saying box,box,box had me thinking of Flamu being on the radio calling Valtteri Bottas into the pits.
Modern us supercarriers can cruise up to more than 40knots (not official info) with 260kshp
Flamu will you ever do ship commentary or replay analysis again?
no
WG just trolled Zao hard with these new IJN light Cruisers !!!
"Zao? Zao...? Wtf is a Zao? Never heard of this Zao"
-Wargaming
T11 CVs really drove me out of random - I am only playing ranked now. Why would anyone want to buy any other t11 ship when the CVs are gonna ruin your day with ease only seen before the rework?
because you could be that cv
Forcing yourself to play ranked instead of randoms is just cruel and unsual punishment in the form of mentally incapacitated apes somehow figuring out how to click ranked and then battle only to instantly explode ending up in you having to carry harder than your team mates can throw. I can't play ranked anymore due to the amount of players I get on my team that would be better replaced by an empty ship slot. Constant chokes or blowouts in 7v7 is just too frustrating to play for me.
I don't think Ushakov could float if it existed IRL
Kremlin has spaced torpedo belt armor with overmatchable citadel behind
The thicker armor on the barbettes is probably where the drives for the turret are.
That third turret on the Schröder looks like it can traverse 360°
Those boxes next to the torp launchers are the torp magazines. Those weird cone things on the torp launchers are probably guides for quicker reloads. In theory, with that lay out, the Omono should have one of the most insane reloads.
Always impressive how stupid WG is. I truly wish them the worst.
Amen brother
Imagining those turrets turning as fast as an Atlanta's turrets is pretty funny
12:47 That's most likely shoring for the ship's damage control party. It's used for like floodings or used as a support pillar.
Agano is the class leader Yahagi is a sister. The "boxes" behind the torpedo tubes are the torpedo reload storage. Check out the IJN DDs they have them too, but half to either side.
3:14 that glance of envy xD
The wooden structure on the Omono is probably to support the aircraft rail. It needs to be narrow so it doesn't interfere with the torpedo launchers rotation.
Nah, its what WG gives them as Citadel armor, when they try.
The guns those Japanese CLs tier 8 and up are using WG probably based them on the Type 5 super heavy AA 150mm gun. If you check what you can find on the internet even single gun turrets were supposedly "roomy". Fun fact though, it was supposed to have single piece ammo, so it should fire faster....as always all speculation.
Sekiryu, man gonna be so fun
Dido's 8.5s reload is already painful to use; I can't imagine what playing the Japanese CLs is going to be like.
The Schroder is the 1928 "Cruiser Killer" BC design (17500 t) pushed by Adm. Hans Zenker for the Weimar Republic's navy.
I love how you can judge all the Japanese cruisers from 5-8 as Warspite food
Specially made to be detonated by carriers even if labelled AA-cruisers.
Gotta love seeing the most amount of armor on the backs of gun turrets, the French low tier bbs know this meme all too well
Gonna have to slay them with 32 torp spreads
Admiral usakov is now truly powered by reactor no 4
Omono looks like those are crates, temporarily chained down on the deck
i think the torps are oxygen propelled so might need the back board?
Still can't wrap my mind around Tromp's armour 'scheme' lol
Am I just dumb or what, why can't the new IJN light cruiser line use the same triple turrets the Yamato gets as secondaries? The 15.5 cm/60 3rd Year Type naval gun. They look so much better.
Super Kremlin might be a fun secondary ship with all that armor and all those Smolensk looking turrets.
Have fun having all your secondaries destroyed
The Soviets knew they had to make armor to survive their own Stalinium
Ushakov armor is thicc asf and with tons of HP, that is basically inviting all Conqueror and Thunderer users to have a feast day, not to mention AP and high Penetration HE bombers are still going to have a field day.
The new IJN CLs though, with good speed, relatively narrow hull with decent citadel protection for their class, good range and the classic IJN ballistics, they are going to be the new long range HE spammer.
_I've only need that CHONKY junkyard to be spotted within 13km range_ *and my FS Colbert will shred that sweet massive superstructure into an billion pieces!* 😈🔥😈🔥😈
I think the Vermont at max spotter airplane range might be able to sink them through the deck.
Wasn’t really concerned about the Soviet Super BB until the deck armor got shown. 60mm means the only reasonable counter (HE spam) goes out the window too. Otherwise no amount of belt armor would keep it from burning to a crisp like the Kremlin.
wow. thats a lot of citadel on the tokachi
"Zao is weeping in a corner."
Ushakov: heavily armed and armoured sniper
I do like to know what current ship Wargaming thinks would be a threat to that Maga Kremlin. Holy f that is like floating Siegfried Line
Also, @Flamu, to put it into even more perspective, the most powerful steam turbines ever fitted to a ship of her time (in the late 1950s) the SS United States, produced a mere 240,000 hp. The Iowa class BBs for comparison have 212,000 hp, and are the fastest battleships ever built.
So, yeah, considering the Wärtsilä RT-flex96C is the largest *single* engine ever built for marine usage (in the mid 2000s) at a mere 114,800 hp, the Slavaboos at Wargaming just picked a completely made up number that wasn't even feasible until the smart-phone era... in a "1949" design.
thinking a little bit it's kind of convenient for ushakov barbette to be 610mm.
same from shimakaze torps even if you hit the barbette part.
the torps would not have "pen" to destroy the ushakov magazine leading to detonation
How does it float? Probably has a cargo hold full of helium balloons
How to sin the Ushakov: you go along side and throw a coin onto the deck.
What currency will schröeder be available for?
How does he see these new ships ingame? I got the Techtree mod from the Modstation, but it does not show these ships for me :/
Test server with mod.
5:36 I was on my toilet when watching thru here
I'm willing to bet with Admiral Ushakov that players will still manage to potato with it, causing WG to assume its in need of a buff. Watch them give it the highest torp reduction belt in the game to ensure there's no way to easily kill it.
Already done, latest dev blog buffed her armor.
Cant wait for gold ammo/torps/planes
those japanese lights seem to be like long range HE and torp spammers
A genuine consideration on Tromp's weird armour layout; are they trying to achieve a similar effect to French spaced armour? Hear me out on this one:
That internal armour between the main belt and the seeming citadel is likely to have it's own hit location module, just like the bow/stern/superstructure etc are separated for every ship in the game. Looking at the game files through gamemodels3d, it seems to have an extra "simple_hitlocation" data entry than other DD's, which may be this in-between casemate area. Since this isn't considered a citadel (which automatically gets 165,500 HP associated with the module to avoid any saturation mechanics), then this middle section will saturate just like the bow and stern, although likely not as quickly since it'll have more HP than those due to it's size. As a result, you have the ability after a few HE salvo's to only take half damage in your midsection for the rest of the game. However to balance it out and add "unique" elements to it, if you use an AP shell that can reach the 'citadel', you can get higher damage and avoid the saturation that the HE would in theory receive.
I would be very interested to see someone perform some HE firing tests between this and another 19mm armoured DD, to see if there is this bonus saturation that's intended. This is how me, Yuzral, LittleWhiteMouse and many other CC's learnt about French Saturation back in the day, we might just have a unique variation on our hands here. Or WG just couldn't decided whether to make this thing a cruiser or a DD, so they left it in anyways. That could be it too.
Tromp has citadel armor? Lemme guess. It started out as a Tier 5 cruiser.
Gotta love how an obsolete battleship designed in 1949 has more horsepower than a modern American Nuclear Supercarrier a.k.a USS Nimitz.
We all need to find the most effective ship to Ram the Ushakov with, high speed and capable of full HP removal upon a ram. Also assume both ships have Ram flags. It will probably be banned from everything competitive out the gate.
Republique maybe? Or one of the french speedyboys. Havent played in years so cant remember
Ramming damage is based on weight and HP, Ushakov is the heaviest non carrier in the game, nothing can one hit ram her from full HP if she has the flag on besides another ushakov
my fav ship beside my Yammy was the Kremlin but I found it too weak, now with this it might be enough to bring me back to the game.
3:12 Isn't basically everyone except RN CLs and other DDs capped to 10% of alpha damage with AP anyway?
Soviet armor manufacturers according to WG beat Krupp,
in reality they just sat there like monkeys and went "Igor, how make big plate, blyat".
Prime reason the Sovetsky Soyuz never got finished.
The super Kremlin and Super IJN CV can steam straight into the enemy team and just tank everyone indefinitely.
Maybe Tromp is the prequel or UAT to every DD getting a Citadel? 😂
@1:00 "MAKE HOLLAND GREAT AGAIN"
Tube reload storage boxes?
Tromp is a pre-WWII ship going up against nineteen-fifties enemies. not a fair fight. Should be tier 7 or tier 8 max, not tier 10
You can even imagine the ahegao face of the dev when designing the Admiral Urraarmourkov
Wonder what happened to Clausewitz
I enjoy witnessing Carrier armor that is about 1000000% better than Battleship armor. Then hearing Wargaming attempt to say they are trying to make CVs balanced😂. I feel so bad for that PR intern😂😂
Edit… 610mm turret armor: WHAT IS TRYING TO KILL YOU HOLY HELL 😂😂
I feel that the turrets should have the same visual feeling for the turrets for the high tier ones instead of turrets the would cause the ship to go belly up the moment it hit a wave broadside. (Edit) The top 3 pretty much had a mogami locked into a room for a forced make over until the ship was forced to agree that it like the turrets.
After seeing t8 Zao left the room lol
Battleship Ushakov going to need to burn that thing to the waterline cause sure as shit you ain't getting overpens or pens
Standard torpedoes during ww2 used steam later ones used electric motors which the up side of those was they left a less visible wake than steam driven ones however they had reliability issues. The Germans experimented with rockets and some today use rockets, but they often are used in sub-sub combat, and some have speeds like 80 or 90 knots. Like those stupid fast torpedoes WG gave submarines from the late 20s.