MOZA FORCE-FEEDBACK FLIGHT STICK & THE ECOSYSTEM REVIEW [Initial Impressions]
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Not only did I check this out myself, I talked with many of the attendees and other content creators at the show and we all agreed on most of the points I cover in this video. The price point was a gasph moment for many. But we'll see how good and how much in the future. Moza swung hard out of the dugout and foul-tipped out of play, but at least they are still at bat. [American Baseball Analogy] ~Juice
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Great summary - Moza has Zero TelemetryFFB at the moment, I have first hand information, they have ABSOLUTELY NO TELEMETRY RIGHT NOW
This is a HUGE dificiency with the product, its like whats the point of taking pre orders if you have no telemtry working, no force feedback effects from sims, this is a huge cockup
Thanks for the info!
That's a bold statement. Can you provide more proof than just stating you have 'firsthand'(FTFY) information?
DDrake, sounds like a good topic for an upcoming article.
@@tekada I can, but I won't reveal my sources
Didn't think so.
Surprised by the complaint about the price of the base, I had to pay 1.300€/$1.400 for my Brunner base. If Moza succeeds in delivering an ok product at this price point it will definitely be a good deal.
Glad the force feedback is back to the flight sim world in a more "affordable" option.
We shall see 😉. The big question for MOZA is, how are you planning to mount it to a seat rig because that was an evident to me, are the sticks from other manufacturers compatible with the base and are you gonna come out with a variety of sticks for different aircraft?
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP it uses the same base mounting pattern as thrustmaster. It also accepts TM grips, as well as most virpil grips, although some of their space sim grips will most likely have limited functionality. VKB grips will work fine with an adapter and VKB's black box.
Always good to see more competition and variety in this niche market. The Moza gear is expensive but if it can compete with Winwing I think both company's products can benefit in the future.
Totally and, competition is good for everybody. It's going to be interesting to see what Thrustmaster comes out with Next to keep up. I saw their booth and talked with one of their guys and they are finally waking up and getting back into the creative market with their products. I just hope they don't go on the cheap with their tech.
Moza is the cheapest FFB base on the market so far, cheaper than Rhino, not sure where price skepticism is coming from, it’s a completely different device from all the spring bases out there.
I guess I'm just used to quality, inter, compatibility, proven mounting methods to seat rigs, and experience in the flight him genre. MOZA will be there someday, but from what I saw, it's not there yet. Don't give me wrong, if it would've been a home run right out of the box for me, $850 would be a good deal.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUPwell so far your idea of quality is a metal stick, which it is. It's as compatible as possible as it uses the TM Warthog base mounting pattern so I don't know what you mean there, and the grip connection system is also the TM standard, so any TM compatible mount or grip will work, as well as most virpil grips. There is no other grip connection they could have used that would give them better compatibility. I'd also point out that making FFB peripherals is far more complex than flight sim peripherals, I'd trust an FFB company to make a flight stick long before I'd trust a flight stick company to make an FFB device. And they have a proven presence in the sim market in general. It really does seem like baseless criticism.
@@MnemonicFliesDCS maybe WinWing should make a wheel and pedals! Spice things up!
@@MnemonicFliesDCS $550 is cheap for a ff base, imho
From a Sim Racing point of view, this Moza FFB base being 12NM of force costing $549 is in-line with most FFB wheels out there that offer the same amount of force.
Sounds pretty accurate and safe to assume they are pricing it off costs plus profit margin, or history of what their racing products bring in pound for pound?
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP I think you may be right. In the sim racing world, Moza are pretty well regarded in terms of value. They are not the cheapest but they are built well and offer good value. your points about this being their first product in the flight sim world are totally valid. I really would like to see some hands on reviews soon!
I'm sure they'll find some CZcamsrs to send it to, possibly the ones that were showing favorable feedback without even really fully testing it or overlooking my particular shortcomings I found with it. I'm not a racing guy so I'm not really loyal to the brand, but I do wish them well in the market.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP I totally get where you're coming from and appreciate the view point!
Moza has a tendency to listen to customer feedback and iterate with that on their products, but we'll see. By far my favorite thing about all this is that FFB sticks are coming back in force, I missed them dearly, plus now they can se done proper because the limitation of the old patent that was more race oriented isn't there any more.
I personally would need to go with VKB with the throttles anyway since I cannot use a traditional set due to not having my left hand below the elbow.
Hey, thanks for sharing and you make a good point. The commercial hotel market should be very accommodating to us all 🫡
This is probably the first time in my near four decades of flightsim hobby, that I took a leap of faith (based on the opinion of others) and decided to be a guinea-pig lol.
I dropped the $ on the Moza base on release day! Not a sim-racer and never heard of them before. My existing pit consist of WW, Virpil and previously TM gear. Wish me luck 🤣
Hey, that's brave and I do wish you good luck like I said it's just too early. All these people on CZcams are talking about how great it is and I go dude it's not even out in your hands yet you haven't tried to hook it up to your set up and I just told him hey give it some time it's gonna be a while what I saw they weren't ready to go at the show they were you know left less than lacked luster. Let us know how it goes and who knows, maybe Moza will send me one and try to shut me ⬆️
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Yeah I hear your point. I just recently got on the year + waiting list for the Rhino and was willing to fork over a grand for it, so I figured,,,, hey, I'll take a gamble at the lower asking price....and ....if it doesn't work out for me, I'll put that sucka on ebay lol.
FFB is great for either fixed or rotary wing. But the most important reason for me, why I think I really need it, is being able to switch between rotary and fixed wing aircraft on the fly. I mostly fly fixed wing, even though I really love helicopters. But I don't like to use my Microsoft Sidwinder II force feedback joystick(for choppers), because the stick itself sucks so much in comparison to the Warthog stick. Therefore all my choppers are collecting dust.
The Moza base is still a little bit too expensive for my wallet, but it is still leagues better than the 1300,-€ for the professional thing from Brunner(Germany). And it brings FFB back into the attention of consumers and manufacturers alike. Which in return will hopefully lead to slightly cheaper FFB solutions.
I'm optimistic that they'll figure it out and maybe come to a compromise one price but if they charge a high dollar it's because of the brand and the reputation of the racing equipment, not their flight equipment. However, if you look at what win-win has done in history of the line And what they're coming out with plus they're almost flawless software integration… You know it's gonna be worth a dollar as long as they don't jack the price up. But we shall see. I just developed the relationship with them and I'm hoping that it is a two-way conversation and not me just Getting free stuff to do reviews on and nothing else. I really want to be involved in product development evaluation.
I have a winwing flight stick already.. will it be compatible with the moza ffb base? If not will winwing be making their own ffb flight stick of their own (or ideally just a ffb base of their own that I can use my existing stick with)?
My contact at Wang told me this morning that yes the base is going to come with a stick you wanna purchase and it will also have the vibration haptic device in the handle of the stick so you'll get vibration and force feedback. According to MOZA on their Discord it's compatible with a few sticks, but I haven't looked at it yet to see which one is the pin configuration for it.
Awesome Thank you for Sharing 💯✴
Hey, we're hoping to have more of a group opinion with our joint video from the other Contant creators that are in my group. You'll get a better field of survey from the group then you will just for me but MOZA has a little way to go before they're there in my opinion. But I'm sure they'll make it.
I really, _really_ want to believe Moza put a launch bar switch on the stick grip just to create social media engagement.
😉 you might be right!
Don't take this video as a slam against MOZA! I'm just sharing my first thoughts after trying seeing the product at flight expo. I think that's the show came out faster than that. They were ready to present their product but don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to bash the company. I just think they'll get there eventually. A lot of questions still to be answered about. Are they gonna make more stick heads For different aircraft, how compatible are they with other hardware, what's their software suite? Gotta look like is it gonna be like when wings that's almost seamless? And flexible is mounting this device on various seat rigs. The big question would be is their customer service going to be any better or worse than WW.
Just bought the base, hopefully it works well!
Hey, give us some feedback. Everybody wants to know how you mount it, can you place other stick heads on it, and how does it work with DCS?
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP Will do, I'll post a video with Austin on his channel 47 driver.
I'd also like to know what the Cyber Taurus is going to retail for, since it sounds like you know and they haven't released any pricing or availability info publicly yet. The Moza base is more powerful and significantly cheaper than the VPForce Rhino, infinitely cheaper than the Brunner, and WinWing price is an unknown so the Moza base is currently the cheapest FFB option available...
Excellent input...we shall see!
The price , if it works well , is about 1/3 of the brunner ffb stick . I think it’s almost a bargain compared to that .
You can actually use e the warthog/f-18 stick on it as well so as an upgrade to that i think is quite nice .
Also the ava base is about half of that price so its not far off .
I like the ava base but I do miss the damping on it
If the cyber Taurus comes out and it is what I think it's gonna be, even if they don't send me one for evaluation or promotion, I'm going to buy it. The hornet is my number one jet and what I built my pit around. It's probably gonna cost more than a regular joystick, but following WinWing's price history, I think it's going to be very competitive against other brands. We'll see what kind of splash Mosa makes when they actually get the product in the field. And I heard some rumblings about thrust working on something too.
@AIRWARFAREGROUP In my experience, the DCS F-18s don't really benefit from force feedback.
Ok. After signing a sponsorship agreement with a competitor, you trash Moza' flight gear and expect us to believe you are unbiased. I've seen all youtube first impression videos so far of Moza' flight gear and yours is the only one criticizing their gear and price.
I didn't sign anything. It was more of a handshake agreement. Moses is what it is right now and almost all of my friends that felt the same. I wasn't criticizing, just sharing my opinion and the group feelings in the moment. Are you on team Moza? Have you handled the product yet or were you at the show? I'd really like to understand where you're coming from?
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP No I am not on "team Moza" (whatever that means)/ Nor have I handled the product or was at the show. As I said, I've seen the few other CZcams videos on the flight system plus read the information on Monza's website.
I am an avid flight simmer who greatly respects and relies upon honest unbiased reviews. I think I have a good nose for bias after being on this planet for almost 70 years and having been a trial lawyer for more than a couple decades. What your friends (or my friends) think means nothing unless they post their views online for us to evaluate.
It was good that you revealed your agreement with the competitor but your comment that you wanted to run any criticisms past them before telling the public is telling. The CZcams reviewers I respect say right upfront that despite getting the reviewed product for free or having a sponsorship agreement they will give their honest opinion without first telling the company what their thoughts are or caring what they think. Those reviewers always give the positives and negatives of the product.
To be fair, sometimes we are biased without realizing it. So we have to be careful that we are not.
I'm not going to claim I know you, but I know myself and I still follow the core values I lived by in the USAF...Integrity, Service Above Self, and Excellence...and I use that ethic in all my content. You're entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is in this case. Did you ever think all those other guys were sucking up to Moza?
As far as checking with WinWing first, is so I can tell you guys what they said to my feedback. I would love to explain myself further but I don't have any crayons! (Just a joke, something I tell my Marine friends).
I'd love to chat with you sometime...I'm sure we can agree on something! 37 years in this hobby and 40-plus in aerospace as a professional. I say what I feel with each review. Sorry you don't trust that, but I understand.
The late Stephen Covey said it best in his book...7 Habits of Highly Effective People
"We don't see the world for how it is, we see the world for how we are."
I appreciate the skepticism!
I didn't say that Moza won't make it. I just said that they've got a long road to prove themselves in the flight market, aren't they barely a few years old in the racing world too. New tech takes time for some companies and we'll see how they do. at the end of the day it's all made in China, right?
Juice, it was amazing to finally meet you!! I have to say, these folks impressed me. I remember telling them they needed to demo it on DCS instead of War Thunder. Very nice folks though, i wish them all the success!
I saw a video with you in full outfit...sharp! You were on a rooftop...Straosphere?
I currently use the Logitech g940 force feedback and I and I have been using the g940 since it first came out. I do have three of them in a box just in case any of them have died, and I lost one in the past 15years. Before that I beta tested the force feedbacks for Microsoft and was one of the reasons you saw the same attachments from a VCR cable as a replacement for newer MSF feedback 2 because that's what me and my brother used when the MSFB one version of course broke which was a notorious issue with all that said I would probably quit flight Sim unless I had if I had no force feedback. I'm also a big fan of the haptic, which I have hooked to my SIM pit. Good review.
Hey, that's a good strategy. Buy in bulk and live a lifetime with security of having a replacement… I have a similar story I had an X 52 that started to do some weird stuff with me one day and I'd already done surgery on it a couple times to fix like some sticky stuff and it was about eight years old. Well, it started to fly nose down and to the left in Arma and I just thought the potentiometer was going bad so I really looked around for a new replacement and Newegg had them for 120 bucks. I just bought another X 52 cause I loved it. I didn't have to set up my controls again. It was already reset yada yada yada so I hooked up and started doing the same exact thing and then I said to myself what are you doing different that you didn't do before this happened, and I started putting my iPhone on my desk and it was next to the cable for the joystick, and just the interference from the cable caused, my flight controls to go wonky on me. But I had 52 for about 11 years before going to the thrust warthog and that's what I'm about to change out now.
Maybe not the video to ask this question, but will Moza make a non FFB base for their sticks?
Not that I saw, but you could check their website.
That’s awesome, congrats. I have reviewed almost every company that makes flight simulator hardware and Winwing is my choice by far, my favorite thing about Winwing is the quality of their flight grips. The F-18 and F-16 grips have the best design when it comes to mounting, anyway I enjoy your videos and look forward to seeing more.
Hey, great feedback and be sure to go out and take our survey on our community tab on your thoughts and share with your friends in DCS.
I agree that it is good to see more competition on the market. But when they demonstrate their product with War thunder, i get suspisious.
I just think that they were unprepared and it's early to jump on it. But you got some guys that weren't there and didn't touch it. They want to defend Moza before they even give it a chance to experience it for themselves.
I was pleasantly surprised by the price. Considering other stick bases on the market it seems very reasonable.
That said, after trying it at the expo I was not sold on it. It may be their software or Warthunder, but the stick seemed to shake side to side for the sake of shaking side to side, not in response to anything happening in the game. Warthunder seemed like an odd choice of software to demo with it especially considering the venue. I assume most people attending the expo are not the same segment that is into arcade flight sims. I am sure if it is software on Moza's side they will get it sorted out relatively quickly.
Not a stick but just for comparison I was blown away by Flitesim's FFB yoke. It felt great, and it felt like you were getting feedback from the plane. They were also more than happy to show the software behind it and adjust things on the fly so you could see how the software affected the feel.
Do you have any links to the other stick bases prices (not yokes) because wind wing doesn't have a price on theirs yet and as far as I know the other top dogs in my survey, haven't started working on it yet. I'm trying to keep it apples to apples comparison like.
I appreciate wanting to keep apples-to-apples comparisons however it is not always needed to get a good picture.
Your current mechanical bases run $230-$370. Winwings force-sensing base is $410. Force Feedback was bound to come in higher than these due to increased complexity in both hardware and software. The VP Rihno is around $860, it is fair to expect the mass market FFB bases to be under this due to the scale of manufacturing involved.
This gives us a valid market picture for the price range we could expect the newly announced bases to be in. Before Moza's price announcement, I would have put that range at $500-$800 with a median price of $650. Personally, I was expecting closer to the $700 range.
I find $550 reasonable, and since Moza tipped their hand and announced their price first I would expect Winwing will be competitive with that price. I do want to note that reasonable here is subjective based on personal opinion and circumstance.
Interesting take and ill have to find a way to try the moza set up myself. I just want to point out that the stick not being metal might be a performance choice because like in sim racing a heavier wheel (or stick in this case) will dampen the ffb feel. Luckily they've claimed their base will be universal so you can use whatever stick you want other than probably vkb. One other point is the price isnt amazingly low but also high end spring stick bases from someone like virpil are 300+ so ~200 more for ffb seems completely fair also considering the boutique ffb thats on the market right now are more than doube that.
Funny side note, in the sim racing world moza is not an expensive brand 😅
That's what I recommend is everybody go try it for themselves and then ask a lot of questions. Ask him about interface capability. Ask him about future development, ask him about cross platform support with the software and ask them about mount ability on various different rigs.
Thanks for your impression! Im waiting for the winwing, and maybe also Virpil FFB solutions.... and will see. At the moment im very happy with my Realsimulator Ultra FSSB, Thrustmaster Viper TQS and the awesome Winwing ICP and MFD solution for my Viper-Experience in DCS...... a real good FFB-Solution for chopper, WWII and Cold War planes - i would love it.....
I would definitely wait and see what everybody has before spending that kind of money. See the comment that I just pinned for more information that supports my reservations.
I'm tempted to put some cash down on the pre-order but I'm not a fan of the stick grip itself, I have a VKB Warfighter and, although I like the Warthog F-16/A-10C grip and find the VKB to be too "Russian flavoured" in design and the hats are a bit plasticcy, I love the amount of hats and switches it has, the lever axis perfect for wheelbrakes on spitfire etc and the additional axis ministick. It makes binding functions so much easier and I don't know what I would do going back to the Warthog grip with no lever axis. Also not sure how I would use the base to mount on a rig as it mounts at the bottom and is very tall. I'd have to put it on the floor somehow and use an extension.
Those are all good points and part of my skepticism is incompatibility with other pre-existing hardware. I'm sure all those things will be worked out overtime.
My msffb2 is sweating right now
Winwing FFB at the start of the video ? So is this a teaser video?
Time stamp please??
Meanwhile I'm still using the Microsoft Force feedback flight stick and it works perfectly fine.
Hey again, I hope people don't think I'm trying to bash MOZA, I'm just saying it's too early to verify that everything's gonna be peachy right off the bat 😀
I’m disappointed that they said the stick was basically done. The standard now is all hats are 5-way (four directions and a push) and they aren’t doing that. They basically appear to be doing the warthog stick with a module on the side. It’s a shame. Will wait for the WinWing ffb base and hope it’s good. My only complaint about the WW ecosystem is the ridiculous way they connect the grip to the base. It’s clunky, at times comes loose, and when it does it’s pretty much impossible to address in VR.
Those are good points and just adds to my overall meaning of my video was hey it's too early to really tell. I'm not gonna jump out and say Moses great when I saw the things I saw at the show and the questions that were unanswered about future technology and software it's just too early to say a Homerun.
What did you expect the ffb base to cost? It undercuts the current ffb market by a lot and is not that far of from high end-non ffb bases like TM AVA or virpil.
I personally was expecting the price to be in the 800+ range for both moza and wing wing.
Yes it's expensive but it's the first mass market ffb base from a manufacturer with tons of experience with ffb wheels. I'd expect that in a few years we will have something similar to the Sim racing market with relative affordable entry level options with low forces and pricier options with high forces and some other benefits.
Almost $900 for a base hand stick is high to me, especially when it's not obvious how you're going to mount it or what's going to hold it in place while you're flying. Some of the plastic parts and the software inconsistency I saw made me pause on recommending it
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP That's fair enough, but I doubt we'll see anything cheaper in the near future (including from WW). It took years in simracing for the prices of direct drive wheels to come down significantly, but I hope I'm wrong here.
Anyways thanks for your honest opinion. Hope we'll get the same once the WW FFB base becomes available.
I think the other thing that some people pointed out to me was that it's not clear if other companies flight sticks are compatible with the base, does Moza plan on bringing out additional flight sticks for different aircraft and how do they plan on us mounting it to our rigs.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP They support 2 TM and one virpil stick according to their discord with hopefully more support in the future. A desk mount is planned but not yet available to order.
With Moza, WinWing and rumblings of Virpil releasing FFB, it's worth waiting to see several full reviews on each before throwing that kind of cash at something. I'll likely buy one of them. I'm hoping Thrustmaster announces a FFB by early next year, since that's likely when I'll be looking to buy one.
I think MOZA reputation will help draw customers to them. And from what I saw at the show, I'm sure they will grow the product into something that I would buy, but then there's the price point, which is a consideration for many. TM is working on something...
You don't have to buy their stick connection because it's Universal with your warthog version
Hey, better yet, if you buy one of the WinWing force feedback stick base. You can also buy one of their sticks that has the vibrator haptic in the handle for dual the feedback that my old thrust master warthog doesn't offer right now.
The grip is listed on their website as being built from aluminium do not sure why they had a plastic one on the floor.
I felt it and it wasn't cold like a grip, however it was Las Vegas outside at 110F. Might have been me and the feel but metal would be great for feel and weight!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP lower inertia is desirable for responsive FFB, possibly why it felt light. Good software can actually simulate a heavy stick anyway. They may have just built it with weight savings in mind, but the release version is certainly claimed to be made of "aviation grade aluminium alloy"
M-O-Z-A FFB, if it lives up to its goals, my natural habitat is a helo pilot. So this unit also turns into a cyclic. Obviously you would know that in a helo you fly by the seat of your pants, and having the FFB would magnify your SA & definitely be able to feel what your props are doing. That's what I'm looking for. That would go along with the platform.Ty 🕊️
👍 thanks for the input… That's awesome!
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP fyi, I seen the MOZA being trialled in DCS. This was just a week ago. This is when I seen the software at its current state. They also stated that it would be available for Star citizen, MSFS
And others? But DCS he was flying an F-16 and you know a real F-16 has mfssb stick. It went to that mode also. He flew a HELO with it showing its ability to set the dampening and the strength or Force needed. With the software you could set it to your preference. But I can't implore upon you how important it is to know what the rotorhead is doing. You can get rotor wash. You can get rotor! ROP. Rotor flop. Rotor droop. Etc etc. You really fly a Hilo by the seat of your pants. Not unlike a motorcycle or a bicycle or an airboat. A rumble seat on a motion Sim is not sufficient. Like a slip-on. But there are actual plug and Play where you can mount a FFB style on the bottom of your seat that will also feed you information of your surroundings. Not unlike a jet pilot going through the jet stream or civilian pilot getting caught up in the jet stream. I'll be happy to forward you that link if you'd like to take a look at it. I subscribed to your channel. You seem to be really sincere and looking up for the best interest of all. Ty! 🕊️
Did you say that you are sponsored by Winwing?
Well, maybe not they don't pay me. They just give me free stuff to test so is that a kind of a sponsorship? I am on their advisor group now for inputs for changes to their systems in the future.
Congrats on the winwing deal. For Moza to even start with war of thunder with a force feedback stick is a massive mistake. That being said I'm excited to try either one for heli flying. I'm sure winwing will be my choice just because I'm familiar with the product.
The Skywalker Orion Pedals with dampener would be perfect for Heli, Fixed-Wing and Race Cars...has a lock out for fixed car racing.
Absolutely mental decision to go with Warthunder for a debut demo, what were they thinking haha
I think that's the show came out faster than that. They were ready to present their product but don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to bash the company. I just think they'll get there eventually. A lot of questions still to be answered about. Are they gonna make more stick heads For different aircraft, how compatible are they with other hardware, what's their software suite? Gotta look like is it gonna be like when wings that's almost seamless? And flexible is mounting this device on various seat rigs. The big question would be is their customer service going to be any better or worse than WW.
@AIRWARFAREGROUP absolutely. I hope they do well but it's a tough market with winwing. They are absolutely killing it in the flight some world right now.
The 12Nm is a bit disingenuous. It is 9Nm in each axis and only achieves 12Nm in the diagonal when both axis are in play.
Thanks for the awesome feedback. 👍
"Moza is a little pricey" ...."the first time a hard-hitting major league racing sim mfg has gotten into..."
Tell me you're lost on Moza without telling me you're lost on Moza lol.
I'm skeptical for a fast solution but overtime I'm sure they'll be fine
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP I think I came off a bit more harsh than I meant it. They broke into the driving sim market a couple years ago, and they were, and still are, the more "affordable" choice. There's been other companies to come along, but, they've done well punching above their weight class, and have had insanely positive reviews in a very "uppity" market like direct drive sim gear. I'm very glad for ALL of the FFB choices coming out, and I don't believe Moza is one to be slept on. Winwing clearly speaks for itself on quality. It's a good time to be a simmer.
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Where’s the survey?
Air warfare group CZcams, community tab, about 3-4 posts down.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP copy, thanks
I don't want to be rude but very honestly, how I perceive it and it is my personal opinion: I am not sure if author of the video wants to believe he is objective or is just naive. Clearly he got there to get sponsor (admitting that in the video) and did get attention from Chinese Winwing which worked great for them and his ego. I understand we all use Chinese products this or other way but I am confused seeing the USAF veteran working with Chinese company replicating fighters' controllers (even ones widely available). I am leaning towards "naive" as appearing there later in a flight suit and photographing with Chinese team was crossing the line even further.
The video is promoted with a miniature including descriptions as "honest opinion" (which it is not) and "a review" (which it is not). The content is even more confusing, focusing on the stick which is least important of Moza's announcements as one may use the stick from other producers with Moza's base.
The real bomb is their Force Feedback base.
My Dear Author, from my personal point of view, considering your respectable history, you took a wrong turn. Take two steps back and try to look at it all objectively (perhaps reconsider the level of this cooperation even more than the content of the video). Thank you very much.
That's exactly right it's just my opinion
Still way overpriced for the average consummer.
Sim pricetag are getting out of hand these days!
Indeed...I couldn't afford my hobby when I was a struggling airman in the USAF but now that I'm retired and thrifty in other areas, I'm able to rationally get good gear without excess. The free stuff from MFGrs is a plus, and I typically review and spread the tech among my AWG brothers or replace what I got and pass on my used stuff to a Civil Air Patrol cadet just getting into it.
Too expensive and deciding from quality of FFB of racing products, I'd skip Moza and support WingWing instead.
I'm sure win-win will love to hear that. Competition is not a bad thing in this market and who knows, TM might even come out with something better.
The base and stick look great, but the throttle looks cheap. Note: I'm a WinWing fanboy and happily biased!!! Amazing they get away with using "force sensitive" and "skywalker" without problem!
I think MOZA has a good start, but there's so many questions answered, and I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon with him. Regardless of my attraction to win-win.
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP WinWing has me locked in but I'm stoked that all these companies are jumping in. It only helps the end user!!!
You know that's a good point. I actually didn't except when wings offer until Saturday after I had a chance to go around and see what Moza Virpil and Thrustmaster had coming out and when wing just wild the crowd and that's why I accepted their offer to work as a partner
@@AIRWARFAREGROUP the only weaknesI see with winWing beyond cheap usb cables, is the lack of a representative that can generate the hype that the product line deserves. Not the job of an engineer. Why so reserved with those products at those products? Im not trying to be negative, i just feel the product surpasses its marketing. Rare indeed!
I'd have to say that WW has made some progress in some areas and some shortcuts and others that I don't agree with and pointed out to them. When you see my PTO2 review, it will make a great example of what I mean. Thanks for the good points and you are very observant on the current situation.