Automotive Oscilloscope Starter Kit | PicoScope 2204A
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We're often asked "What oscilloscope should I get for automotive diagnostics for beginners?" and "What oscilloscope accessories do I need?" This video will give you an overview of the equipment we recommend to get started with scope diagnostics, and the Pico 2204A. We will also that the 2204A for a test drive showing you some of the tests you can do with the Hantek automotive oscilloscope accessories.
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Happy I found your channel. Thx for your content.
Awesome video Darren. Thank you
Great information shared in the video. Thanks so much
Great advice to get started without breaking the bank 👍👍
Does the job! 👍
Nice content going to buy the basic scope just to play and become familiar w/ its capabilities.
Great video and good information...
Thank you - this has been a great help
Thank you, I've been wanting to get into waveform automotive testing but was held back not knowing where to start. You have helped tremendously
Great to hear!
Nice one Darren thanks
Just doing your free taster training before pulling the trigger and enrolling. So far they are excellent. I’m an ex tech, so don’t get to practice professionally any more (still in technical automotive though!) These videos are invaluable for me. Thanks
Great to hear! What’s keeping you busy now? Any questions let me know 👍 Cheers!
Awesome bro 😊 thank you
i use those 3 meter probes, they work great
Hello, thank you very much for this excellent
Thanks Stephane, I hope you are well 👍
Such a great channel!
Thanks! Which videos are your favourite?
@@MechanicMindset the practical testing stuff, injector, compression etc. Also the equipment review and how to use. I’m planning to go through your website methodically once I finish up the HPA wiring course I’m doing.
@@stuh4645 Awesome! Cheers. More to come soon 👍
@@MechanicMindset just to add the occasional dip into the classic car systems would also be of interest. How to trouble shoot with Modern tooling.
Nice video, I'd add a pressure transducer to that kit, I've bought one from amphenol ssi, it has a very wide measurement range, 500psi to about 30inches of vacuum. I've Made the power supply and introduced the pressure vs voltage values myself, all together it cost me less than 100$ and the waveforms are very nice and clear. I'm using a 2205a but still it gives a beautiful pattern.
Awesome! Yes great piece of equipment. I’ll have to look in to making one too 👍 cheers
Thanks for another great video. I have the 2205a and am able to do some of the automotive stuff with it that I wished for, mainly due to your super helpful videos. Thanks again for sharing 🙂
Great to hear Mark, awesome little tool that is! Thanks
Thank you 🤘
Late comment this time.
The Hantek 1008 is a decent scope for automotive work. If you can stand it's windows features. Crank signals tend to have sloped sides rather than nice square sides. If you're using Hscope for better functionality...you won't be able to do cam crank comparisons, there just isn't enough resolution at 2KSa/s(hscopes limit on the 1008).
Hantek 6022 or 6074 scopes you won't have any issues using the windows software or Hscope. It's still not the same clarity as the mp408 or the pico units. But it is perfectly functional.
The pico 2 channel scopes are....limiting on what tests you can do when you start advancing more. And the price tag...yup.
Hantek CC65 - $89.99
Hantek CC650 - $119.99
Another great video. Thanks man.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Thank you
I have the 2204A as well and love it. Especially once I got it working with the Automotive version of the software.
I'd sure like to know how you managed to get that done
@@nicholasmurray9725 by modifying the Picoscope Automotive exe file and dll file that checks if you using an "approved" Picoscope model for the automotive software. I was able to make it think your always using an approved model no matter what actual Picoscope model is connected.
@@bluegizmo1983 That's above my pay grade lol
Is it a complicated thing to do or do I need to be advanced in computers?
It was simple bypass, last I used mine it had been patched though
Great!
Thank you! I quite often forget to turn off Hante clamps and battery is drained...😀
It’s a part of life, we just have to accept 😆
amazing......👍👍👍
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Thanks, I just signed up. Trying to find the Waveform Library - is it still available?
@@OilBaron100 Great! Yes, look for the course called CZcams Waveform Library - it has the videos, files and images of the waveform too 👍
@@MechanicMindset thanks. I created a free account. I've watched a couple of videos and they're really good. I liked the video on the BMW N47 engine showing the camshaft-timing variation on a noisy timing chain.
Not sure if you have a known good waveform for an M62 engine but if not, I'll keep looking online and look at doing your paid courses in the future once I've learned all of the great free content.
Cheers.
@@OilBaron100 Ah great! No sorry I don’t have that.
Pico makes great stuff! Some is a bit pricey, but you can count on it to work when you need it... 👍
For sure! What are you using?
@@MechanicMindset Just the 2205a, and probe set with back probes and an amp clamp, paddle and some other stuff from micsig... I'm in the process of making some pulse probes and pressure probes too.
@@KingLoopie1 Hi!
I am thinking about buying one,
2204 vs 2205 Which one do you recomend ?
Thanks.
@@luismelero6198 The 2205a is more expensive, but is a 25 MHz scope. Otherwise, they are the same. I originally went with the 2205a because of 25 MHz for HF amateur radio and electronic hobby stuff in addition to automotive. For automotive, either scope will do for most things. I did end up upgrading to the micsig ato1104 for autos because of the extra 2 channels. But there's a 4-5x increase in price for that one. $1k+... I still like and use the 2205a often though cause of the ease of use on picoscope software.
@@KingLoopie1 Ok. Thank you.
Thanks I need to get going again my 2204a is stuck in my toolbox.
Having said that I need to do a compression check so might treat my self to a amp clamp
Brilliant video! Have you got a video of you showing the signal generator on 2204a yet? I’ve yet to test if i can use it to use the signal as a speed sensor for abs fault
I haven’t played with it much but I think that might be the most you can use it for. I don’t have a car with the AC type sensor else I’d try it
I’d love to see a review on the N2 Neuron 2-Channel wireless
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Hope you enjoyed the video Yassin!
Great content! You’ve done a wonderful job demonstrating how to use this scope in spite of its 8-bit limitations, but as I’m considering 2204A as my first scope, I’m wondering if being limited to 2 channels versus 4 channels or even 8 channels precludes being able to perform certain diags? If so, which ones?
4 channels is ideal, cam/crank with inlet & exhaust is just one example. But if you just want to give it a go, 2204a is great. You’ll be spending at least 4 times that price to get a decent 4 channel scope
Hi! I realize this video is about a year old, but I watched a ton of your videos and ended up buying a Pico 2204A based on your recommendation along with many different Pico, Rotkee and other accessories. Thank you for all you do! I was wondering if you would ever make a video discussing the settings in Pico 7 needed to use a Pico 2204A for automotive use like capture rate, etc. If you already have, I apologize, but I would love to see it.
We have various video access the channel covering this. We also have LOTS in our online training platform and mobile app mechanicmindset.com
I'm waiting to buy the Rotkee oscilloscope I think it's the best option, you forgot to say that the 2204a, when measuring an inductive signal and wanting to synchronize it with a square signal, it will not be possible since it shares the same ground. I think I am correct. Greetings from Peru. I hope that Rotkee will be available as soon as possible
I hope to try the Rotkee oscilloscope soon! Regarding the inductive signal, as long as it is possible to use chassis ground for both channels, it should be ok. But you are correct, you can not ‘float’ the ground connections on the 2204a. I did a video about this; using the injector voltage test as an example 👍 cheers!
Excellent video.
And I've started watching your other ones.
And I think it's really worth emphasising that buying a low-end Handheld Hanatek (or worse) is basically throwing good money after bad.
If you really need a scope, they will let you down.
You're better off getting good kit like Pico Tech stuff.
And then building on it.
That way you're not being limited by the processing capacity of a cheap unit.
Nor by the screen size.
Maybe a silly question, but if you need to monitor 4 channels, could you just use two x 2-channel Pico's?
A 4-channel one is a LOT more than twice the price.
Agreed! You could get 2, you’d have to run separate software for each on but they should run on the same laptop at the same time.
Do you have a link to the coil on plug adapter? I like the examples on how to use all the adapters.
Great videos and information! Please, what is the brand name of the coil on plug black cable? Thank you for helping out the DYI auto community!!
Thanks! Rotkee.com 👍
@@MechanicMindset Thank you very much, mate! Happy Christmas from Canada
I'm not sure if you have it listed with all these or not. A pressure sensor for testing coolant systems for a blow head gasket.
I love the video, ❤❤❤👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 except the mini pooper😉😉😉😉 just kidding, I'm always working on them😁😁😁
🤣🤣🤣 I did my time with these too! To be fair, not bad cars really. Fun to drive, even the normal Coopers!
Solid video bro
Cheers D! Hope business is good 👍
@@MechanicMindset man, really busy. Not enough time in the day. So I decided to take it slow and sturdy. Hope you do the same. Keep it coming
@@DJ-tn7vj Good to hear. I had a mega busy run up to Summer. A bit more spare time for life and MM up to Christmas 👌
@@MechanicMindsetcan I have your contact
Hey have you tried the 2408b pico scope, also what would you recommend for sample rate and bandwidth would love your advice on it.
For that price just buy the 4425A. Unless you found one used, it’s a good scope. Still only 8 bit though.
For sample rate and bandwidth, the 2204A is fine for Automotive, we don’t actually need really high specs. 12 bit is good. Atleast 250K Samples I think. Thing is it’s not simple. As you add more channels, the maximum sample are drops
Hello, with the Hantek COP Extension Cord comes an earth wire. What is this used for? Thanks for your great videos!
I think it forms part of the capacitor circuit inside the unit. Don’t hold me to that! That’s what it’s used for on secondary clamps
Hi Darren from Spain.
I love your videos. I am interested in buy a pico. 2204 or 2205.
Which one would do you recomend?
I have a hantek 1008c, but I dont like it.
Thanks
The 2205 has a better sample rate, so you will get better waveforms when measuring over longer periods of time. Hope that helps!
Ok. Thanks
Hi Darren, could you suggest a way to pick up pulses from a mechanical diesel injection pump (Bosch Ve as found on Land Rover 200 tdi engines). I have seen a piezo type pickup that clamps around the injection pipe, but off the top of my head, I think they were quite pricey. I rang Pico Tech, and at the time they had nothing on offer. Gunson sell a timing strobe adapter (77089) but its over £150 ! Thanks for all the extremely useful videos, regards, Richard
Hi Richard, you might be able to make something out of Piezo elements. I’ve seen a few people do that but I’ve not tried myself so can’t verify if it works
Where do you keep all this stuff? Like what do you use as an organizer or toolbox? or a bag maybe? suitcase?? lol.. That would be a great video. Maybe one of those "prepper" style roll up organizers with multiple zipper pockets would be the way to go.
Actually I just acquired a large Milwaukee grinder case. Gonna cut the mould out and get some foam. See how much I can get it. But right now, it’s all over the place 😆 most in a big box
@@MechanicMindset That's what I have-- it's all in a box. :) .. I think I'm going to try one of those roll up organizer tool bag type things.. There's some cheap options on Temu for like 7 dollen.. Has 5 zip up pouches. IDK yet, still looking. There's not really a dedicated scope organizer out there. I might throw it all in one of my rifle carrying cases with all the little pockets around the outside; or maybe a tactical backpack. Not sure just yet.
for using picoscope 2204a which software is best ? 7T&M ,6 ,
I have seen piks of 400 v isnt that the max voltage using the 20x aenuator with the pico 2205a?? will not damage the scope?
Great content congrats
There is a 100V input voltage protection. Some with the attenuator, it’s 2000V protection. My scope is fine and it has been very abused 😅
Any idea where I can get a waveform example of the crankshaft and camshaft waveform signals for a BMW M62 engine?
I would like to buy one of these 2204A scopes to diagnose an engine-camshaft timing issue but I need a sample of a good waveform.
Have you tried the "Micsig Digital Automotive Tablet Oscilloscope 100MHz 4 Channels ATO1104"?
I’ve had a quick try. Lots of people like them, nice a convenient as all in one. Maybe I’ll get my hands on one soon 👍
Very good video. I need that coil on plug extension lead, where can I find that?
Hantek HT308 amzn.to/3xRktOk
@@MechanicMindset
Thank you.
Hi! Is the Pico not sensitive to accidental short circuit ?
What does pico mean with automotive oscilloscope and which of their scopes are able to get acces to the waveform library?
Only the products that are available in PicoAuto.com
So 4425A 👍 powerful
Been waiting for over a month for rotkee purchase
Do you have an order in with them?
@@MechanicMindset yes
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@@ke6bnl OK, hopefully they will get back to you soon. I’ve not heard from them myself in the last few weeks. I’m not sure what’s happening with the way situation, but they should get back to you soon. Cheers
@@ke6bnl Hi, have you ever told them since then? Any replies?
@@tonylin9833 I just wrote them and told them that it has been over a month and I have not received the item. Will let you know if and when I hear back from them
Great video. Why are the “Automotive” Pico Scopes so much more expensive? Is it mainly because they can handle higher voltage inputs (ie: over 20 volts)?
The specifications are higher all round; voltage, memory, sample rate, resolution, the hardware is different with floating grounds, you get the diagnostic software plus the waveform library. Thats to name a few benefits. The cheap scope will have you appreciate the Automotive scope when you upgrade
Hello, Im looking at the Autel MaxiScope. Any thoughts?
They do the job. Nice price for a 4 channel scope. I have the Ditex scope to review, will try and get it up next week 👍
Am I gonna run into issues with the sample rate being lower
Awesome Vid. I just aquire a Pico 3404A. Is this a scope that can be used in the same way? From i understand, it is not an "automotive" scope and will not work with the auto sofrware? Should I get rid of it or keep it and give it a go?
Nice, give it a go! 👍
@@MechanicMindset Thanks. I will. Any advice on the software to use?
@@VolvoGonzo Get PicoScope 7 from picotech.com
@@MechanicMindset thank you, sir!
👍
Do you know if the hantek software has the degree coursers?
Can’t remember. I think you can download it and try the demo mode. I don’t think it does but I could be wrong
Can these softwares *decode* CAN too or they just show the waveform?
Yes it has serial decoding 👍
Thanks for your vids, as a result I've put my hand in pocket and bought the 2204A and your cost effective route. At present my only need is to test the diesel injectors on my Ducato. They currently show variations greater than twice Fiat limits ( scantool Multiecuscan) Can this be shown/ measured with a scope. Would a clamp probe be needed? The Ducato injectors have 5 distinct phases (2 post main), the examples ive seen dont look as complicated. Sorry for the long question.
So what you will see is the injector time is increased. This corresponds to the variations/smooth running. Next step is to work out why (ie faulty injector, compression loss etc) 👍
@@MechanicMindset well scope has arrived and now sitting on my laptop. No probes yet. ended up buying the Hantek amp clamp via your amason link. Time to read and play. Thanks for your input and video help.
Just had a play and so far the wave forms are different from most ive seen online. Obviously are piezoelectric i have 3 sample with voltage and amps but 4th difficult to get at to start with. The one thing that surprised me was the current is measuring about 18amps. Getting close to the limmitation of the Hantek. If these are dodgy what current would kill the hantek. or am i seeing somthing seriously wrong. There is also some bouncing arround zero V. Is there a specific vid i should be looking at?
@@owainglyndwr333 I’ve not got anything for piezo diesel. However 18amps is fine for the Hantek amp clamps; they can measure up to 60 and anymore shouldn’t damage as there’s no direct contact
@@MechanicMindset Thanks for replying. I know that if anything is wrong with the injectors its going to be subtle, hence going down the scope route. will have to find a golden sample another motor i trust.
Question: as a beginner do we need both 65A and 650A current clamps or one of them is more usable in automotive diagnostics?
Depends what you want to do. You’ll need 650A for relative compression, but that’s not accurate for low current things like injectors and pumps so you’ll want the 64 for that
@@MechanicMindset Thanks a lot, I might consider buying both in that case. Different current ratings come with different accuracy and reading noise.
@@ceckoslav That’s right. Might be worth considering the Pico clamps, a little more expensive but better quality and longer cables
Do you have to do anything to Pico 7 to use it with the 2204a
No mate, just download normal version from PicoTech.com
Is it possible to use the pico Automotive Programm with the normal 2240a ?
No it’s not
Greetings, the disadvantage of the pico scope is that it only has 3 channels?
Only has 2 channels.
What software works with 2204a in automotive? I hear its not possible.
That’s right. Use normal Pico 7 (T&M) from picotech.com
Hello mechanic mindset is there any software you would recommend to use for the hantek 1008C that is better than the hantek one?
I haven’t been able to get ‘Open Hantek’ to work. I also have HScope for Android but not used it much. There are options 👍
Hi, why not the Pico 2205A? What is the difference between the two? Just the price? Is it a newer model to replace the 2204a?
2204A is fine. 2205A has better sample rate and memory - it's worth the extra money if you want to pay. Or pay more and get 4 channel 2405A - I just got it, will share soon!
@@MechanicMindset - Looking forward to your impression of the 2405A! I've looked at reviews, for some strange reason most of them mention it's not for Automotive applications when as far as I can see it definitely is. The Serial decoding is for Can bus (and many others) and all the sensors as they all communicate with serial protocols. It sounds like exactly what I'm looking for. I mainly work with microcontrollers communicating in UART and I2C.
As you showed in your relay video, sample rate is important. Thx for your videos!
@@renefuller9241 It’s not optimised for Automotive like the PicoAuto scopes are. But it does work. Just need to be aware of its limits 👍
9:09 - What should I be searching for to buy the ignition lead extension for doing secondary on a Coil-On-Plug system ?
Maybe search COP Extension leads. I think Hantek make some but they might leak. PicoAuto.com for some top quality leads 👍
@@MechanicMindset Don't wanna get zapped, so I'll probably go pico
@@alandmunk3h They might be fine, but i have some cheap ones too and the leak. I have a ‘Short’ showing it 👍
I have 2 channel hantek, whats other option for softwere?
Open Hantek or Android tablet with HScope - I've not had much luck with either...
Don't get it 2204A does not run picos automotive software but you're using it to diagnose a car. Is confusing
The normal (aka T&M) and automotive software is the same in operation. The automotive software has some extra features that the T&M software doesn’t. Thats all 😁
hi have you tried Owon VDS 1022i ? Im curious how itd work for automotive.
I haven’t
@@MechanicMindset i heard good things about it in EEVblog forum. I try learn from your videos and convert "understanding" to Owon software, lol. Picoscope was too expensive for me even if itd be great for beginner. It is almost 200 eur , not 100 eur :/
What laptop specs would be required for best performance?
That’s a good question, hard to answer. Pico don’t really recommend by specs. Basically, the lower the spec, the slower the software runs. I have a 10 year old Lenovo Carbon X1 (fast in it’s day). 8GB ram, i5 intel. Windows 10. Works great.
@@MechanicMindset Thank you, that is very consistent with others I have asked.
Is the Owon hds272 not good for testing or what
No it’s ok actually. Just not as good as the laptop based scopes. Setting a are a bit fiddly. But it is a multimeter too, quite a good one. Will do a video soon.
How do I used my regular scope with the new software?
Download from Picotech.com (Pico 7)👍
Thank you for your quick reply. I did that and it says not supported. I did the hacked for the older software but as you also know it doesn't work anymore.
@@kirkbrown2147 That’s interesting. I would contact PicoScope and let them know. As you can see in the video, it should work fine with Pico 7 T&M version
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Can you not use 2204A with pico scope automotive? My device is not recognized.
No it’s not possible; just use the normal software from picotech.com 👍
@@MechanicMindset thank you!
Pico 2204a can work with software 7
Yes from picotech.com
just to confirm, hantek oscilloscope will not work with picoscope software correct ?
Correct. Doesn’t work with Hantek
@@MechanicMindset thank you 🙏🏻 for the reply. I subscribed to your channel, lots good information.
Have you ever tested the MLAB4 4.1 automotive scope from the Ukraine?
I have the MT Pro 4.1 ready to test. Hopefully share with you soon, not had a chance to plug it in yet
@@MechanicMindset , I saw where someone on some forum said the MLAB was a cheap copy. I would like to know how it would compare the the way more expensive Pico! I am just a diy’er and sure couldn’t afford a Pico. Hope I catch it when you publish it. I will make sure I am subscribed. Thanks, Tom
@@Okie-Tom I think MLAB is a software platform. The MT Pro may be a similar scope to the USB Autoscope which isn’t cheap. Maybe that’s what they referred to?
Could you please add Turkish background to each of your videos? I would appreciate if you add it, thank you in advance
Wow, move up to the 4425A is going from a $300 (not$100) to a $4,500 device.
Useful reminder! 2204A does not run Pico's Automotive software!
💯 true
I have one and I’ve used the automotive software
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