Bağlama AGD tuning for short and long neck (Uzun and Kisa sap)
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2020
- How to tune a short or long neck (Kisa or Unzup Sap) Baglama saz to AGD (Aa gg Ddd) with the help of a capo for long neck bağlama.
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I just got my long neck baglama strings from Turkey, I live in Serbia and no one oudside of Muslim comunity in the south playes it here so it's really hard for me to find accurate information or someone to teach me..This one helped me start, thank you!! Grertings from Belgrade!!
Hi! The name of this tuning (A G D) is Bağlama düzeni. The name of the other common tuning for long neck baglamas (G D A), the one you use in other videos, is Bozuk düzeni.
Regarding this, I have a question: do you use the same set of strings (I mean, the same gauges) for this two tuning systems? Or do you change strings when changing the tuning? If so, which gauges do you use for each tuning?
Thanks man! Your videos have been helpful to start playing and understanding the instrument a little better, since they are one of the few practical things in English about the baglama. ;)
I am using the same string gauge, but have broken a few strings experimenting with higher pitched tuning.
Thanks Bra !!!
Omg... there's only one method book on Amazon for the Saz, called "A Method Book for the Turkish Folk Instrument The Baglama" and all the songs in it use this tuning. I've been searching for information on it but this is almost the only explanation I can find. The problem is that the book never mentioned whether it's meant for long or short neck. I've been trying to get this in tune and the thick stings feel like they are about to break because they come out of tune as soon as you let go off the peg (i have a long neck). Now that I know this is a short neck tuning, I feel soooo much better. Now at least I know why it's acting like this and I can find something else to learn with.
Thank You!!!!
You can try tuning all the strings equally lower for example ( GFC) if the string tension feels too tight.. this can be for personal preference or if it is causing strings to snap. The slipping peg can also be the peg is not fitting well, sometime I really have to push my pegs down into the holes to prevent this, or remove the peg and rub either some wax or violin bow rosin on them will also make them hold better.
@@Guitar101Ramstein Ok, i'll have to try that tuning. I had no idea about the pegs. You're videos really help!
I just got my long neck baglama. I managed to achieve this tuning after first breaking one of the middle strings. However if you let them stretch amd tune slowly (like fresh strings on a guitar) and hammer in the peg after tuning (lightly) they will hold nicely. Its been about 3 weeks now and they still haven't gone out of tune
What gauge is each string on each course? I haven't been able to find specifics on the sets of Short Neck Baglama strings to what goes where.
As far as I can tell its (A) 0.5 mm (a) 0.18 mm (g) 0.28mm (g) 0.28mm (D) 0.40mm (d) 0.18mm (d) 0.18mm
Am I on the money or am I off?
i haven't found actual information either (there probably is plenty, but in turkish), but based on what i've seen, and the string sets i own, and a string tension calculator, you are right (although the A is a bit thicker, about 0.58mm).
unfortunately there's a discrepancy: the a and the two gs are almost the same note and should more or less share a gauge (the 0.28mm), there's no reason for them to be that far apart, to my sense. but the string sets i own both have only two 0.28mms, and four 0.18mms (one spare i guess).
so unless my math is wrong it would go:
A2 0.58mm 0.023in (wound)
a3 0.18mm 0.007in (plain) (sus)
g3 0.28mm 0.011in (plain) X2
D3 0.40mm 0.16in (wound)
d4 0.18mm 0.007in (plain) X2
if i string it up like this i expect the a3 to be very loose, so i'll probably just swap it with a guitar 10 gauge (0.25mm), the tension works out uniform over all of the strings that way. (by the way my saz has no strings on it, so i have no reference to measure.)
Great shirt.
My Turkish friend just borrowed me his Baglama, I'm about to string it up and explore
enjoy, and if you are used to playing guitar and find the Baglama pick difficult, check out my video on baglama picks I make.
@@Guitar101Ramstein i definitely will, my friend gave me Baglama picks as well
Hey i got a short neck but the saz was not too resonate until i tuned it up to CBbF. I do not want that higher tuning because i like the lower one for single note playing. What string gauge should I use to get a good AGD tuning?
hey, i recently got a long-neck baglama and want to buy a capo, which i dont know much about. do you have any recommendations (maybe on amazon)? guitar capo, ukulele capo, something else? just wanna make sure the size is right, thanks!
Hi, enjoying your videos. If you didn't have a capo would you recommend the lower tunning anyway for a long neck or is there a better tunning for long necks.
Yeah that will work without the capo, just everything will be lower pitched.
@@Guitar101Ramstein cool, thank you, I'll give it a go :)
@@sundew23 if the string tension is feeling too loose at that tuning, you can move each string up a half step to a whole step in pitch.
@@Guitar101Ramstein that's a good idea, they are a little bit loose. I'll put them up a semi tone. Thank you :)
Hello! What are the scale lenght of your Short and your long nek Baglama? Thanks :)
Looks very cool. I want to get into a non western instrument. Would you recommend long neck or short neck baglama ?
Well with a long neck you can always use a Capo and use it like a short neck.
@@Guitar101Ramstein Thanks, to get the bang for my buck I shall get long neck.
@@Guitar101Ramstein Wait AGD? So the middle courses are lowest ?!
I keep trying to tune my short neck to bozuk Tuning as it's called in Turkish but my strings keep snapping on the last thinnest two
I have no experience with tied frets. I have never played a Saz. Don't they accidentally move when i play the saz?
Never had a problem with them moving from playing
@@Guitar101Ramstein thank you
I think I'm going to buy the short neck one since strings for guitar will be long enough to use. Also because it will be more comfortable to play for me.
you won't have the right gauge with guitar strings and if you put too heavy of strings on, there is no truss rod , so you will risk damaging/warping/breaking the neck or body. baglama strings are easy to find on ebay, amazon etc.
Hi is there any book to learn how to get information about toning or to learn from very beginning I want to learn. What is the name of each string. If you know any information that you can share will be very helpful thank you 🙏.
Actually working on a book now on baglama in English, as I have yet to find one. subscribe and hit that bell notification as i will be letting my subscribers know about it and the progress soon.
Guitar101Ramstein
Thank you I am already one of your Subscriber
Best book right now in english for baglama - saz, I believe is this:
www.amazon.co.uk/BA%C4%9ELAMA-METODU-1-2-Kolektif/dp/9944396648
by Arif Sag and Erdal Erzincan (both legends of baglama).
It is actually dual language in english and turkish. Has all the basics of positions, scales, playing techniques, exercises, etc.
It concerns the short neck and uses the tuning that is described in the video Re - Sol - La. (bottom to top)
(also another thing is that a lot of saz players use trasponsing systems. So they tune for example in Mi - La - Si, but describe it as Re - Sol - La. So La is not absolute.)
Hehe, I have the Same tshirt
Good taste ;)