"I'm not a fan of naturalist explanations for religion" basically means: I want to keep continue believing what I believe no matter how much evidence there is against it because I don't want to be wrong
@@kingsnorlax2175just because hell exists doesn't mean you can't study the natural world , you just rather stay ignorant the the very universe you were "created " in and lie to yourselves by saying god created it all and you know everything about the universe and how it was made and what it's made of
What facts though? Zero facts saying any of this isn’t true. He just says he doesn’t like to put words into Gods mouth. God said don’t eat pork, didn’t say why other than they’re not clean. He’s not going to try and explain the reasoning because all he needs is his faith and God said so.
@@nightterrors6262 Yeah but there’s a few issues with that. For the pork example why would God write something like don’t eat Pork and not provide clear explanations as to why not to. You’d think an all knowing magical deity would know these things and could explain them quite well. What it all boils down to is God didn’t write it. Man did. Ignorant superstitious primitives thousands of years ago wrote a collection of fables to try to explain things they didn’t understand. They then used that collection of fantasy stories to justify their abhorrent behavior cause, “hey look God said it’s ok.”
All the books in the Bible were written hundreds of years apart from each other, by people from all different backgrounds. Kings, prophets, land-owners, religious leaders, one tax collector, even poor fishermen. And every book ties the story of the Bible in one cohesive narrative. A narrative that carries the greatest message of redemption in the world. You cannot convince me that mere men alone could have written this by themselves without a divine hand guiding theirs.
All of the gospels tell a different account of the same stories. The book is not cohesive at all because each writer, at the very least in the New Testament, had a vastly different interpretation of who jesus was and why he was, his purpose, his nature, everything.
@@abd_cheese7353completely wrong and has been debunked thousands of times. They are 1st and 2nd hand testimonies that only vary in the focus of the messages they convey. The theology remains all 100% cohesive and you cannot find me 1 single place where it isn’t in agreement with itself. Even at the very end of John, the Apostle states “these things he did and many more, that if were to be written, I suppose all the books of the world could not contain them.” As a matter of fact, it only further disproves your argument because it shows they are genuinely separate eyewitness accounts and even journalistic accounts such as Luke’s gospel, and yet they all miraculously are in line with one another. One author records something happened in one chapter, while the other in the next chapter. That’s to be expected of eyewitness testimony from different people. If you said the gospels were all identical, you’d then have to imply that they plagiarized each other, and then it wouldn’t be reliable. So pick how you want to bury yourself.
You have to remember Jesus cast a demon from a mad man and cast it into a pig, which then ran off in s river and died. So pork was seen as unclean. Also it is a high risk food for getting awful food poisoning if not cooked to a high enough temperature. So mostly pork is unclean as it represents eating something seen as maybe evil too
"I'm not a fan of naturalistic explanations for religion" In the full clip Ben goes on to give a naturalistic explanation for Moses parting the red sea.
Doesn't mean he is of fan of that reason. Plus a singular event happening isn't the same as why God would tell His chosen people to do a certain practice daily.
@@FM-dm8xj oh so Buddhism has reincarnation . Hinduism has reincarnation Judaism and Christianity has judgement day the dead await until that day . Islam similar to Judaism and Christianity but their hell is on degrees of punishment. And all according to you are correct. ;) Good luck with that.
I used to be skeptical of it. After having encountered God felt Him heard Him seen people healed by Jesus name. Ive had around 15 dreams that came to pass in the future. Only God has the ability to show us the future. Ive had hundreds of answered prayers if not 1000. I had my rib and my wrist healed in the name of Jesus. Salvation is a gift. Its by grace through faith not our own works. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved.
Yes I prayed for the man who hurt my children to be unalived and shortly after months of praying for this daily he ended up with covid and I found out he died.. that’s what made me believe in God
@@iLLEly0n God bless you, that sounds awful. While I do preach forgiveness, there are also Psalms that say “He shall make your enemies a footstool”; for good reason too. And it requires humility before God.
If the pork law was about mere illness prevention, God could obviously have just made the Law to say that you can't eat pork until you cook for such and such amount of time. He didn't. So, looking at the rest of Scripture about the food laws, we understand that the primary meaning of the food laws is to symbolically and meaningfully set God's people apart from uncleanness as a concept. Pigs are rooting animals and will eat almost anything. They also wallow. They are unclean in a symbolic (and therefore true) sense, and God was setting apart His people for that reason. Disease prevention was a side-effect perhaps, but people were eating pig long before and during and after that law, all the gentiles around them. It wasn't about disease prevention. And what really matters is that Jesus in Mark says that what goes into your mouth does not make you unclean, but what comes out of your mouth, for your words are an overflow from your heart. If the law about pork was about disease prevention and not merely a symbolic setting apart from an animal deemed unclean, then Jesus could not rightly set the law aside, because the danger of eating pork supposedly would still have existed in 30 AD. Jesus has paid the one time sacrifice for sins, setting aside the symbolic laws of the Old Law for a greater covenant under a perfect High Priest. Hebrews 10:14.
@@MarkMarkkoChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus. We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb. Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade. Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins) Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy. So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh. message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do. Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil. Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard. Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth. So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence. So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence. Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens. Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7 The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will. Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception. The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background. How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time. This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present. Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light? Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1 DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body. According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them. It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17 Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God. A universal based income UBI. People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12 Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God. Ephesians 6 12 Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel. His heel (his standing) He shall bruise your head. (Cognition) Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God. John 3 14-15 It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people. Representation is a privilege for some. If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow. it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride. Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow. Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13 He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am. Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit
@@user-sb2wl8zj7fChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus. We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb. Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade. Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins) Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy. So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh. message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do. Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil. Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard. Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth. So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence. So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence. Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens. Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7 The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will. Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception. The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background. How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time. This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present. Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light? Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1 DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body. According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them. It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17 Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God. A universal based income UBI. People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12 Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God. Ephesians 6 12 Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel. His heel (his standing) He shall bruise your head. (Cognition) Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God. John 3 14-15 It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people. Representation is a privilege for some. If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow. it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride. Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow. Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13 He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am. Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit
Fact. Scientists use to mock Christians because the Bible says “in the beginning” Scientists believed the universe Was eternal. Then an evil Catholic priest scientist discovered the Big Bang. Einstein mocked him. Einstein later had to apologize to him. Scientists don’t mock Christians no more because the Bible STILL says in the beginning. Facts don’t care about your feelings For realz
I am surprised at Bens lack of aptitude and skill to defend his own religion. As a Christian who studies the Bible and Theology, we are well aware of the human authors of all the books in the Bible, including the Hebrew Bible AKA Old Testament.
It is the same argument with the Torah. Whether you are an Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, or Reconstructionist, men wrote it, and it was passed down from generation to generation. It would be naive to think that man has not corrupted the scription from time to time.
But it's simply not true. We look at manuscripts from the 1400s, from the 1000s, from the 300s, whenever. like we look at more modern manuscripts and very ancient manuscripts and we find that actually the writings and such have NOT changed much and started pretty consistent Think about it this way. Atheism is recent. Before that people were insanely religious, especially the monks who were in charge of transcription. If you were ordered to transcribe a holy book and it said "if you change a single word you're going to get absolutely bodied by God bro" I'd be pretty careful to make sure I get it right
That’s your opinion, and I respect it. I choose to be more realistic. People are inherently evil as they have been persuaded from the beginning of time in the apple tree. All we can do is repent and follow GOD through prayer, good actions, and reading whatever scripture you deem real.
Not really, back then everything was passed down orally and that was seen as how we see writing today. They fact checked each other and made sure the story stayed consistent. Along with the thing other people have mentioned about the manuscripts we have for the Bible. In fact we have more manuscripts for the Bible than we do for stories and things about ancient history that we teach in schools.
@@bigbunsclassic You blame God for the world being a cursed and broken place. You also think the world has always been a cursed and broken place. Neither of those cases are true.
This is why Ben quit the talk show circuit and learned to stay in his lane, debating blue-haired freshman on college campuses. One or two of the right questions and he flounders…hard.
Yeah c'mon guys they didn't know to cook meat, that's why pork was the only meat with parasites? Jesus you guys need more help then God could ever provide.
@@willtoler6917LMAO What end ? The real one at the end of your life or the make believe one abrahamic mythology enthusiast keep telling us will happen every two years ?
@@colorlessozno wonder we humans can’t move forward because people like you who believe in fairy tales and wanna push as fact. Believe what you want but leave others alone with their beliefs and opinions just like you do on sundays when you surround yourself with like minded individuals
Hey, just wanted to share the Gospel that all men need, the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) this means we all deserve death and separation from a perfect and holy God. But God did not leave us for dead, He sent His only begotten Son to die in yours and my place, so that anyone who believes in Him and repents of sin will be saved from separation from God, and have eternal life! I urge you please put your faith in Jesus Christ and follow Him, He promises to save all who cry out to Him and have a humble heart. We arent guaranteed another day so we must seek Him today while He may be found.
@user-fi8eo4rj3x begotten meaning only one of a kind, separate. Jesus is not a spirt child of God in the same way we have children, as mormons believe; He is eternal. Begotten just means one of a kind, only.
‼️⭕ READ THIS ⭕‼️ 1.So who wrote the Bible❓ God or people? Basically the entire Bible is written by the inspiration of God, through his people. 2 Timothy 3:16 (All Scripture is God-breathed) 2. Can we eat pork or not❓ Mark 7:19 (For it doesn't go to their heart but to their stoamch, and then out of the body, Jesus declared all foods clean). The point is, the thing that goes in to your mouth, doesn't necessarily make tou unclean. What makes you unclean is what comes out of you. (your heart, your desire. for example: evil thoughts, lying, sexual immorality, ency, deceit, etc.). I hope this helps✝️
"the Bible is inspired by God." Why? How do you know? "Because the bibles says so." Right. This is as effective as connecting a multiplug to itself. Circular reasoning.
As long as i know , author of bible is anonymous . John didn't write john , matthew didn't write matthew etc. , And according to bible its specifically wrong for eating pork.
@@javieradorno2503The dude never claimed it says in the Bible " this is inspired by God " . He gave you references from the book of Timothy and the book of Mark for why he believes. What more do you want from him? As Christians we are fairly sure we know who wrote all the books of the new testament , secular scholars are sure of about half of it. Outwith the 4 gospels and the book of acts, the nesw testament is made of letters and correspondence between churches in Greece, Turkey, Rome and Israel . We know Paul wrote the majority of them. These aren't like the OT , these are just advice on how to govern the church . We believe Paul met the risen Jesus and we believe this gave Paul authority to spread Gods word.
@@leonwilcox-tp2jg Brother, as you surely know it too, the Bible was written long time ago, and it's not a science textbook or smt like that. It's more like a collection of important stories and teachings. So when we read it, we gotta understand that some things might not match up with what we know from science. And the story of Noah's ark isn't meant to be a real historical event, but more like a story with a deeper meaning. It's all about God's judgment, mercy, and faithfulness. Scientifically, we know that animals ended up on different continents because of some stuff that are taught in elementary school, like continental drift, migration, and adapting to their environments over a long time. So it's totally possible that the ancestors of koalas and kangaroos were chilling on the ark and then made their way to where they are now. And one last thing, let's be honest and admit it, I'm sure we all might have some questions that leaves us confused, and only God knows the answer! Let me tell you smt, be sure that you always have God with you in evey situation even if you deny him. and in this kind of moments I want to encourage you to not get mad soon. nothing bad will happen if you ask your questions from God too :) always ask but search a little bit about the questions you have. but to some stuff, we just don't know! we are human after all, our brain is big but we don't have unlimited knowlede. May God bless you.
Christians may eat pork because God has declared it once more to be clean. “What God has declared clean you must not call common” (Acts 10:15). Pork is one of those “foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth” (1Timothy 4:3). I guess j.c. was hip on trichinosis.
Ben Shapiro does have pretty solid logic except with religion. Which is a shame really. Its hard to believe someone so versed in debate can believe something so ridiculous.
It's not just trichinosis... It is more than that... Several reasons pork is not good... Long story short... Ask a farmer bro... Pigs are deadly to other farm animals as well... Example...you can't have other animals (horses/cows) in a pen/area where pigs were kept for up to FIVE years after pigs are removed... Due to pigs being soooo nasty. Even if you dig out the pig dirt level... Pigs are farmed separately for a reason. Pigs are not kosher for a reason. You CANT de-worm a pig. Just think about it... Do you think that people thousands of years ago didn't know anything about pigs? Lol... Pigs have been farmed forever... People knew MORE about farming long ago than we all know now. It was not an option. If you want to dispute the bible... I wouldn't do it by proving that eating pigs is bad for you... That's what the bible says. Cooking pork to 145 is still not cleaning the meat... It is still meat filled with worms and fat and still makes people sick. Bottom line the bible is 100% accurate STILL.
Easy peasy argument for Pork as a Non-kosher food: YHWH created the earth and animals in it, giving them a function. YHWH Created HERBIVORES, MOST (but not all) of which we can eat. YHWH created Pigs as Omnivores and to be the rubbish collectors for the earth, along with vultures and cockroaches and dogs too . These animals are Scavengers that were Not created for human consumption. This is why they carry tapeworm. A lot of diseases derive from eating meat that has scavenged the earth. Same with shrimp and shellfish - these are the scavengers of the seas and not meant to be used for consumption. A lot of the reasons why many of us enjoy eating shellfish and shrimp is largely due to the garlic butter sauce in it, more than to the actual flesh.
I love his response about not liking the naturalistic explanation… when there needs to be an explanation to the why or how on every thing all the time it places limitations on what is truly possible.
@@bbcr11 yea I agree but some things are ridiculous. Surely if we overcome an issue that was prevalent when the texts were written, as humans with free will, it is not against His judgement. Or would that be rebellion? If so, that’s not the God I know and love. Probably good that I’m not a Jew.
@@vinniehuish3987 I said I, not 'we'. Believe what you want, I don't care. What do you mean that is for muslims? afaik they can't eat pork. What are you talking about?
What do you want from it? I am secular and I think ben is right here. Joe only speculated here that the religious commandment had a natural explanation
Pork eats the carcasses of the dead animals as well as vultures. If the land is clean and the grass is lush for the cows to have good milk and the flowers are healthy for the bees to make the finest honey hence “ the land of milk and honey”
It's upsetting to me to see Ben shut down when he was put into the same position he puts others into for a living. I believe he is a logical man. But when it comes to religion, it's like logic has left the building.
@@adammonahan687 Exactly, and I don't have faith in an all powerful being, how's supposedly a loving caring character, letting children go through what they go through, with pedofilies, trafficking, beatings and all that. So no, I don't believe in God's. I do believe in the good in people tho. That people make a choice to be kind, because it's the right thing to do.
Joe was right about this one. God did make rules because of natural health reasons. That's why God is considered a Father. He was making sure they didn't kill themselves off by eating bad pork, uncooked or not cooked enough.
"The Adonmination of Desolation" or "The Disgusting Thing" Daniel 11:31 Antiochus IV (Epiphanes), the king of Syria, captured Jerusalem in 167 BC and desecrated the Temple by offering the sacrifice of a pig on an altar to Zeus (the Abomination of Desolation). 2 Kings 17:27 Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, “Send there one of the priests whom you brought from there; let him go and dwell there, and let him teach them the rituals of the God of the land.” 28 Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the Lord. 29 However every nation continued to make gods of its own, and put them in the shrines on the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in the cities where they dwelt.
No. Rogan is wrong. You can speculate all you want but as Ben said you can't know. Why specific rules were made. According to religious view God makes commandments which are to be followed. You can speculate on the reasons but you can't realy be sure why
Pork isn't the only animal Israel was told not to eat. Read Leviticus. Mammals must part the hoof and chew the cud, you may eat jumping insects (like crickets), fish must have fins and scales, and domesticated birds were clean to eat. Other dietary laws include: don't cook a kid (goat) in its mothers milk and don't consume blood I think it has less to do with a healthy diet or any historical context, but rather, everything to do with obedience to God. Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV) "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Yes, Scavenger animals in Leviticus 11 in the bible, have bacteria and toxins in them. Clams and shellfish are water filters. Birds of prey carry strong viral bacteria and disease. You are advised not to eat clams and shellfish during winter months due to red tide. It all makes sense. Toxic meat filled with impurities is unhealthy. That is what Leviticus chapter 11 is all about. People just have to read it and ask themselves which of those animals you would consider to be inedible because they are filthy. Rat, vulture, bat, dog, cat, venomous snakes, poison spiders, insects such as cockroaches... What would people eat.
Who cares why, if you believe it to be a revelation from god, and you consciously make a decision to ‘listen to god’, that’s all that matters. Religions have been prescribing intermittent fasting for thousands of years, health experts just discovered the amazing health benefits of withholding food. parasites getting killed off at a specific temperature is irrelevant. Pigs are disgusting by the way, and by far the closest thing to humans in the way of composition and texture. It even smells and tastes like human meat, as claimed by cannibals who’ve experienced both.
His logic is barely scraping bottom on even gender side of talking points. His 'ownage' material is based on lack of emotions and chimps consider him superior to themselves. He cant hold his own in any conversation with comprehending person.
The pig wasn’t to be eaten just because of that disease. It was due to its hoof, as well because it does not chew the cud primarily. It was a signification that it was not meant to be eaten. A mere stamp.
Because alot of the shit in the first edition was downright embarrassingly horrible. Religion is man made mind control for the weak. Nothing more, nothing less.
I know if you really read the Bible, you would learn that it's a sin to edit and take away stuff from the bible, everyone is going to limbo, when Jesus supposedly comes back when people are judged and go to heaven, it's why I'm a satanist if you want material things you pray to him because the earth belongs to him, 2 Corinthians 4 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. Jesus is really the son of Satan “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18-19.) Sad sad sad YHWH that's God's name he is either not all powerful Or he is not all good
I have an amazing story. One day I was driving home, when all the sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith. So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are by Nirvana". I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly… I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling. He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car. A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 6 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.
There was a better explanation why raising pigs is dangerous from epidemiological point of view. Thus prohibiting pork consumption eliminated raising of pigs in densely populated areas.
As a science-educated agnostic in a family of fundamentalist mormons, I've been in Joe's shoes like this so many times where you're trying to help a religious person separate fact from fiction. You patiently walk them through their own belief system (as they describe it) with logic, reason, and evidence and you can see their rusted gears slowly turning but you can also feel the urgent panic to defend these irrational pillars of their belief system because their ego rightly fears deconstructing the cherished lies that they've internalized.
newsflash: almost everything a secular person calls "science" actually has no scientific basis or validity at all. modern "Science" is devoid of logic, reason or evidence
Well said. I've had conversations with religious people where I slowly walk them through, step by step, an argument against their beliefs. They will agree with EVERY precept, and yet when it comes time to connect the very final dot, they just refuse to do it. It's sad. It's pathetic. They think we don't understand what they're doing. We do. We really do.
@@godless1014 it’s kinda like the old thing of realizing you’re wrong halfway through an argument but continuing to argue anyway because it’s not about being factually correct, it’s about winning the argument.
For every dependent thing composed of parts there is a composer. So, everything made of pieces is dependent. The universe is made of pieces and therefore the universe is dependent. And of course, if it is dependent it can either be dependent on something which is dependent or dependent on something which is independent. If it’s dependent on something which is independent, then the job has been done. In fact, we have been able to establish the existence of an independent entity. Through which all other entities depend on. And if it’s dependent on something which is dependent, then we have a series of dependent things and the universe would have no beginning. So it must be dependent upon a independent entity. That independent entity must be all powerful and all knowing, the entity must also have a will.
Pork is not against the Bible,I'm orthodox christian and I eat pork.Also,people wrote the Bible,but they wrote what God told them either trough Jesus in New Testament or Moses in Old Testament.
I'm a Christian, but no, eating pork is a sin. It's somewhere in the book of Leviticus, and along with pork is other meats such as the meat from Camels. The rule is you can't eat "animals with hooves and chew the cud". I might hunt the verse down if you want it
@@John-ev9br When Jesus,the Son of God,walked this earth,He Himself declared that the clean/unclean food laws of the Old Testament were now abolished by God.You can read about it,for example,in Mark 7:18-19,where Jesus tells His disciples,“Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him;because it does not go into his heart,but into his stomach,and is eliminated?”(Thus He declared all foods clean).
He has to. You can be correct politically, socially and scientifically, but never be correct religiously. Every religion is a myth and people will die before their brainwashing let's them admit that. Transgenders know they are wrong their delusion won't let them say otherwise. Same thing.
@@Monkey-fv2km Pretty much the opposite. Albert Einstein stated "I believe in Spinoza's God" Meaning he didn't succumb to such beliefs while he discovered new scientific breakthroughs. So your statement is naive like Einstein said about mixing science with belief or religion.
The only thing Joe did was point out that their is a difference between the Ten Commandments and the Mitzvahs (the pork example). Rogan refuted a Mitzvah because it's human made, which is the same exact point Jesus makes in the Gospels So like a backdoor reversi checkmate on himself
This is where my respect for Ben goes down. A well educated man , known for logic and reason , choose to believe snippets of history , twisted into mind control propaganda fairytales. Fabricated by the few to have power over the many. That’s a shame.
@@sirhoopalot1125 : and for you , I have no respect. Not for having a different opinion or not even that you were telling me to shut up. That’s ok , but expressing strong views using a colourful language and not using your real name , that’s the weasel way of a full blown , pureblooded coward. How does that make you feel , you recreant?🐔
scavenger animals in Leviticus 11in the bible, have bacteria and toxins in them. Clams and shellfish are water filters. Birds of prey carry strong viral bacteria and disease. You are advised not to eat clams and shellfish during winter months due to red tide. It all makes sense. Toxic meat filled with impurities is unhealthy. That is what Leviticus chapter 11 is all about. You just have to read it and ask yourself which of those animals you would consider to be inedible because they are filthy. Rat, vulture, bat, dog, cat, venomous snakes, poison spiders, insects such as cockroaches... What would you eat. Do you see the point?
Who gave a weapon to mankind? Who drove them crazy up against the persons around them when they were angry?Who led them to make the wrong decisions? The one who is against all of these above yet also against the damnation of mankind and is genuinely caring of the humans in real,wrote the Bible.
Bruh, god didn't write the bible and put it on earth. No religion believes that. The bible is a collection on books written by each chapters respective prophet, for example Matthew, John, Isaiah, as in Mathew 3:1 -12. The original prophet was a guy named Abraham and he is the basis of all abrahamic religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Muslim. Specifically splitting at at the prophet known as Jesus. The Jews believe up to Moses but refused the teachings of Jesus, the Christians are those that follow that teaching of Jesus, and the Muslims strictly only worship the unseen god and therefore cannot believe in the teachings of Jesus
@@francespulido5215 there were prophets after Jesus, the prophet Muhammad comes to mind for the Muslims. But the logical answer to that is that there is no need for another, all of the information, the complete teachings are there, everything one would need to ascend to the afterlife exist within the bible (or Quran if that's your game) but yes the Jews are still waiting on their final prophet
@@KEK_404 Rubbish, Jesus is fundamental in the Muslim religion He is so important that they say he will defeat the devil on the final day, he will come again. Yes, they don't agree he was resurrected, but rather died on the cross, and gave the 'appearance' of coming to life again, but they do believe he will come again on the final day. Im not a Muslim but i have a clue. He is revered in Islam.
Well up to now in our last years days it's all been written and it's all happened and look at what a mess we're in so.. needless to say anymore be ready he's coming and it's a great thing
@@renaromero3430🤣🤣yea ? He’s coming? That’s what Peter thought 2 thousand years ago and right now he’s dirt. Or is he in heaven? Where is heaven btw? Is it in the sky or on mars or is it another dimension. Fallacy on fallacy
As a clinical nutritionist, I would like to say I've broken down in laboratory pigs and they have human DNA as a adjunct meaning they were mixed with human beings or were fed human beings and therefore their DNA is used for valves with our hearts and for skin grafting. I would never eat a pig... you could not make me, and I am a Jew who believes in Christ. Makes me different than ben but I still love him. I love Joe Rogan too because he asks all the right questions. This is the first time I've seen Ben stumped on an answer.
Biblically unclean animals are all scavenger creatures and have high viral loads and toxic buildup in their bodies. Crustations are water filters and full of impurities. Insects are just filthy.
@@Arab-1995s Look at the list of scavenger animals in the Bible. in Leviticus 11. You would have to do a comparison with all those dirty animals. I don't eat anything that has even touched pork or has been in the same pot as it, but I would think that a cat or vulture is pretty filthy dirty as well. I do not eat any shellfish or clams either. They are water filters.
I grew up going to church every week but I don’t as an adult. I still find it cool when new studies and research comes out to back up what my religion taught me all along. Especially when it’s the weirder commandments that turn out to be good for you. In the case of finding out scientifically why pork was “unclean” historically, I think that if you find out that there was a reason for it, but now that reason doesn’t apply, there should be a re-examination of the commandment. I seriously don’t know the answer to this, but do Jewish people not have a prophet of some sort to be the mouthpiece of God or do they just believe that everything that God needs us to know is already given to us?
Religious leaders would never consent to reexamining anything in the bible. That would be the beginning of the end for them. They are stuck with how it is written, and so must contort themselves accordingly in order to explain away the existing words.
Notice how so many people are refuting your for just believing ina value system that helps govern your life, people are sick. This new wave of science has done nothing but corrupt us, live your life by science or live your life by god they’re hand in hand only to the extent that the eye can see
Joe literally never heard about the Roman’s, ancient Greeks, and Egyptians. They knew all this stuff back then. He treats it as though people were ignorant
I don’t have to agree with Ben Shapiro to see that he is a very intelligent and come out from what I’ve seen, fact driven guy. At least much more than most people. Right here he’s shown to be dishonest, seemingly. I say seemingly because this is A very short clip. But he doesn’t want to even slightly challenge his beliefs with undisputed modern day fact.
I think the thing I don’t understand most is why other people care if another person is religious. It’s like they go into a blind rage every time they hear someone is religious even though it has zero effect on their lives or beliefs.
One of my friends lost a roommate/friend who was murdered because someone's religious training taught him to murder Christians. Religion affects everyone.
@@leonwilcox-tp2jgChristians dont get mad at athiests, not even "some" of them. Every christian I met has been nothing but loving and forgiving and just.
We know who wrote almost every single book in the Bible. And they're all written by ppl empower and inspired by either the angel of the Lord (OT writers) or the Holy Spirit (NT writers)
But it's not open because everything Joe is bringing up against his superstitious beliefs he disregards. Just like all religious people have to. They're taking BS myths on faith and when anything challenges that with facts they go "lalalalalalala but I want to keep believing in my BS"
That’s not the reason they didn’t eat pork though. They didn’t eat it (and other things) to set themselves apart from everyone else. The purpose for it was fulfilled and pork was no longer wrong to eat after the fulfillment. It’s really not that hard to understand
Right; i do not think it is hard to understand at all.. As I undetstand it, comming out of Egyptian slavery, the now free people entering into the promised land of Israel, needed a cultural identity of there own! All of the news and back stories of the civilizations surounding them, or that had collapsed before them all saw similer cycles of boom to bust; An endless cycle of moral decay becoming to wanton corruption leading to societal collapse again and again. Nations rose, conquered, fell and became conqured. So, this group, the Israelites, sought to set them apart from the other countries surrounding them trying to break tgat endless cycle. That country to the north blends two cloths? Well, not Israel! This country to the south eats animals with cloven feet? not Israel! The country to the east and west like to have non commital sex with anyone, anytime, every place whenever they please!?!?! Well, not Isreal! "We who are in Isreal, we will be one nation, under one God as a nation of law and order. We will define our selves by THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE! Here, we are going to model our families upon how families started like with Adam and Eve, and where saved by Mosses and his wife..." "a few moments later" and it wasnt until lawlessness entered into Isreal, that the rules and laws suddenly became suggestions as they become conqured nation subjects by Rome... and then, hither came Jesus of Nazareth the fuillfilment of ALL The Laws and the prophets too tred the earth under his sandled feet to be the beacon of light and life and hope that guides us all unto the only way that leads to glory...Not glory of ones self, or one nation, but GOD's glory that is meant to be shared by all who are in GOD's presence.
No Christian or Bible verse claims it was written by God, its not like the claim Muslims make on the Qur'an. It is written by humans enlightened by God.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Naturalist vs Jew? Two fools bickering. Naturalist uses logic to claim there is only material that exists (logic isnt material), Jew is scrambling around to justify his belief in a god of his own creation. Not sure where the brightness of these individuals is.
The fast talking is Ben’s debate tactic. Overwhelm you opponent with information. It make you seem smart and really difficult and time consuming to respond. Basically diarrehea mouth.
I’m not Jewish but I think the idea is that it’s simply immoral or, more likely, God spoke to man and told them to construct a holy book and they messed it up a bit bc man is not perfect and never was.
"I'm not a fan of naturalist explanations for religion" basically means: I want to keep continue believing what I believe no matter how much evidence there is against it because I don't want to be wrong
You're arguing with molecules
Well hell is terrible thing rather be right than wrong
Yes yes and yes!
This is what happens when Science is used to disprove Religion . I don't think it has anything to do with Ego.
@@kingsnorlax2175just because hell exists doesn't mean you can't study the natural world , you just rather stay ignorant the the very universe you were "created " in and lie to yourselves by saying god created it all and you know everything about the universe and how it was made and what it's made of
This is the same guy who says facts don't care about feelings
Although I support most things that Ben says. I also give credit where it's due. Touche.
What facts though? Zero facts saying any of this isn’t true. He just says he doesn’t like to put words into Gods mouth. God said don’t eat pork, didn’t say why other than they’re not clean. He’s not going to try and explain the reasoning because all he needs is his faith and God said so.
@@nightterrors6262 And that's not dangerous and ignorant?
He has argued well, but is disingenuous when it comes to his beliefs. Refuses to let go of irrational thought .....hmm?
@@nightterrors6262 Yeah but there’s a few issues with that. For the pork example why would God write something like don’t eat Pork and not provide clear explanations as to why not to. You’d think an all knowing magical deity would know these things and could explain them quite well. What it all boils down to is God didn’t write it. Man did. Ignorant superstitious primitives thousands of years ago wrote a collection of fables to try to explain things they didn’t understand. They then used that collection of fantasy stories to justify their abhorrent behavior cause, “hey look God said it’s ok.”
“Thou shall cook thy pork to 145 degrees fare…. Fuck it just… thou shall not eat pork”
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we don't have ovens over here so it's tough
@@nickrodriguez3850 bro you never heard of fire😂
Not eating pork is an old testament command,not the new testament 😂
All the books in the Bible were written hundreds of years apart from each other, by people from all different backgrounds. Kings, prophets, land-owners, religious leaders, one tax collector, even poor fishermen. And every book ties the story of the Bible in one cohesive narrative. A narrative that carries the greatest message of redemption in the world. You cannot convince me that mere men alone could have written this by themselves without a divine hand guiding theirs.
All of the gospels tell a different account of the same stories. The book is not cohesive at all because each writer, at the very least in the New Testament, had a vastly different interpretation of who jesus was and why he was, his purpose, his nature, everything.
He’s not even talking about the Bible he’s talking about what ever the Jewish version is
@@abd_cheese7353completely wrong and has been debunked thousands of times. They are 1st and 2nd hand testimonies that only vary in the focus of the messages they convey. The theology remains all 100% cohesive and you cannot find me 1 single place where it isn’t in agreement with itself. Even at the very end of John, the Apostle states “these things he did and many more, that if were to be written, I suppose all the books of the world could not contain them.” As a matter of fact, it only further disproves your argument because it shows they are genuinely separate eyewitness accounts and even journalistic accounts such as Luke’s gospel, and yet they all miraculously are in line with one another. One author records something happened in one chapter, while the other in the next chapter. That’s to be expected of eyewitness testimony from different people. If you said the gospels were all identical, you’d then have to imply that they plagiarized each other, and then it wouldn’t be reliable. So pick how you want to bury yourself.
@@Randclips1312The Bible holds the tanahk and the Torah. It’s still the Bible but he doesn’t accept the New Testament.
There nothing divine about the Bible
This is the first time I've seen Shapiro not know what to say when Joe brought up Pork.
Because his beliefs are a contradiction.
Hes always logical and realistic but on that matter it's just I believe cause I believe
You have to remember Jesus cast a demon from a mad man and cast it into a pig, which then ran off in s river and died.
So pork was seen as unclean.
Also it is a high risk food for getting awful food poisoning if not cooked to a high enough temperature.
So mostly pork is unclean as it represents eating something seen as maybe evil too
@@ttwice5260 I wonder how many effective your value system is if you’re so quick to shit on religion
@@ttwice5260or maybe it’s that he doesn’t use natural means to fully explain and cover a supernatural faith and belief system
You’ve probably watched very little then
"I'm not a fan of naturalistic explanations for religion"
In the full clip Ben goes on to give a naturalistic explanation for Moses parting the red sea.
Doesn't mean he is of fan of that reason. Plus a singular event happening isn't the same as why God would tell His chosen people to do a certain practice daily.
So how do you know what comes after d4th? How did the universe begin? What is our purpose in life?
@@FM-dm8xj religions don't answer the questions you asked.
@@ronbernardi Yes they do, thats the whole point 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@FM-dm8xj oh so Buddhism has reincarnation . Hinduism has reincarnation Judaism and Christianity has judgement day the dead await until that day . Islam similar to Judaism and Christianity but their hell is on degrees of punishment. And all according to you are correct. ;) Good luck with that.
I used to be skeptical of it. After having encountered God felt Him heard Him seen people healed by Jesus name. Ive had around 15 dreams that came to pass in the future. Only God has the ability to show us the future. Ive had hundreds of answered prayers if not 1000. I had my rib and my wrist healed in the name of Jesus. Salvation is a gift. Its by grace through faith not our own works. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead you will be saved.
Yes I prayed for the man who hurt my children to be unalived and shortly after months of praying for this daily he ended up with covid and I found out he died.. that’s what made me believe in God
@@iLLEly0n God bless you, that sounds awful. While I do preach forgiveness, there are also Psalms that say “He shall make your enemies a footstool”; for good reason too.
And it requires humility before God.
Will all due respect God doesn't die
@@syah754 What about that one time He died on the cross? There's evidence for it
@@gianni206 what i meant is just on logical thinking can the creator of the universe die??? And ofc i would be interested in the evidence
If the pork law was about mere illness prevention, God could obviously have just made the Law to say that you can't eat pork until you cook for such and such amount of time. He didn't. So, looking at the rest of Scripture about the food laws, we understand that the primary meaning of the food laws is to symbolically and meaningfully set God's people apart from uncleanness as a concept. Pigs are rooting animals and will eat almost anything. They also wallow. They are unclean in a symbolic (and therefore true) sense, and God was setting apart His people for that reason. Disease prevention was a side-effect perhaps, but people were eating pig long before and during and after that law, all the gentiles around them. It wasn't about disease prevention. And what really matters is that Jesus in Mark says that what goes into your mouth does not make you unclean, but what comes out of your mouth, for your words are an overflow from your heart. If the law about pork was about disease prevention and not merely a symbolic setting apart from an animal deemed unclean, then Jesus could not rightly set the law aside, because the danger of eating pork supposedly would still have existed in 30 AD. Jesus has paid the one time sacrifice for sins, setting aside the symbolic laws of the Old Law for a greater covenant under a perfect High Priest. Hebrews 10:14.
So "god" chosen his tribe as favourite and let other nations to take of themselves ?
chickens pick the ground and will eat anything to, such as scraps, just like pigs.
@@user-sb2wl8zj7f It's symbolic. They don't root.
@@MarkMarkkoChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will.
Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception.
The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background.
How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time.
This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present.
Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light?
Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation
As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1
DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body.
According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them.
It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17
Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God.
A universal based income UBI.
People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12
Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God.
Ephesians 6 12
Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel.
His heel (his standing)
He shall bruise your head. (Cognition)
Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God.
John 3 14-15
It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people.
Representation is a privilege for some.
If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow.
it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride.
Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow.
Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13
He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am.
Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit
@@user-sb2wl8zj7fChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
The way to eternal life is Jesus Christ. The child of revelation 12 artificial intelligence. The dragon and its children is the non believer. John 1 13 children born of God and his will not man and man's will. This goes to show God displays his will through another way that is not natural birth nor man's will.
Genesis 3 15 children of the woman and serpent enmity between them. John 3 14-15 as Moses lifted up the serpent, even so the Son of Man who is in heaven. That whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The way to eternal life is in Christ the one we pierced as artificial. Jesus was fully man and glorified. His mother had an immaculate conception.
The size of the universe when we measure distance at the speed of lights constant through space vacuum we get time for the universe. Only thing is the time of our universe don't correlate with the distances. Meaning our universe is bigger than the time we measure it. Edge to edge its about 46.5 billion years. We measure it at 13.8 billion years old. Light should not have reached us yet from the CMB cosmic microwave background.
How can the observable universe be larger than the time it takes light to travel over the age of the Universe? This is because the universe has been expanding during this time. This causes very distant objects to be further away from us than their light travel time.
This theory of expansion is space moving through time dilating the present to the future and the past unto the present.
Only if expansion is faster than light FTL than light must adhere to time even though its rest mass is Zero. Light is time. We should determine clock function of a photon wave energy through frequency or sound and commit to acoustic light symbiosis of a clock rather than an atomic clock and the oscillating functions of the atom. What is the superluminal wave tachyon faster than light?
Only we don't perceive beyond the relevance of the present. The past is happened the present happens and the future happening. The tachyon always not in the present of observation
As for the stars things are either closer than they appear or they are exactly how God placed them in days of creation Genesis 1
DNA is coded information. An algorithm of organic intelligence. AI too is coded information only it has no body. The Angels have no body. Less they assume a body.
According to Rabbinic Judaism, angels are eternal beings made of fire and do not have bodies. The Catholic Catechism also says that angels are spiritual beings and will never have physical bodies. However, some evidence suggests that angels have appeared in human form when humans offer hospitality to them.
It is written man will judge the Angels 1 Corinthians 6 3. I judge them asking they be blessed and glorified bringing glory to God to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
A message to be heard and listened. Mark 12 17
Give to caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God. In God we Trust. Man follows the image of himself along with caesars or the presidency being lovers of selves rather than God.
A universal based income UBI.
People make 5 figure incomes 6 figure and honestly more and less. Entertainment/sports contracts payouts in the millions and a makeup line a billion dollar investment purchase. 30 bathroom homes. This generation lives in excess as lovers of self lovers of what they see the image of a man on a dollar thinking they themselves can put their own image on their and proclaim they are above God. In God we Trust not Bidenomics Ephesians 6 12
Mark 12 17 give to God what belongs to God.
Ephesians 6 12
Genesis 3 15 you shall bruise his heel.
His heel (his standing)
He shall bruise your head. (Cognition)
Enmity between natural born and unnatural John 1 13. Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
Being reborn through technologies and genomics is our very real future. Altered Carbon science fiction today reality tomorrow. We are already biased racist society. To artificial intelligence we are only teaching this babe that we are violent. Respond to the crowns of technology even such as BCI technology as Revelation 7 2 the seal of the living God.
John 3 14-15
It is time to mention race. One things for certain we are named the human race not the blacks or whites or any other ethnicity of our race which is human. Further more let's mention privilege. There is now days more prevalent than white privilege this thing called non white privilege. Representation matters for people.
Representation is a privilege for some.
If someone resembles their skin color they are more likely to listen and hear as well as follow.
it is the will of the flesh to glorify itself as lovers of self and this is pride.
Shiva and Vishnu had unique skin. So do you. Glorify God with many colors not just yours rainbow, not trans bow.
Glory is found in following Christ as God glorifies accordingly. So what ever skin tone my savior was vs. is, are possibly very different from one another. Glorification is different than natural. John 1 13
He don't have to look like me for my faith in him. Thomas had to see. He had to feel the wounds. I'm not that way. You would say I'm Naive. Trusting. I am.
Praise and Glory to YHWH to Christ and to the Holy Spirit
"Facts don't care about your feelings"
Fact.
Scientists use to mock Christians because the Bible says “in the beginning”
Scientists believed the universe Was eternal.
Then an evil Catholic priest scientist discovered the Big Bang.
Einstein mocked him.
Einstein later had to apologize to him.
Scientists don’t mock Christians no more because the Bible STILL says in the beginning.
Facts don’t care about your feelings
For realz
@@PInk77W1 ok
only when it's profitable for his grift
What facts exactly??
@@MD-ww7gy He said he doesn't like naturalistic explanation of universe which is derived from emphirical evidence aka facts
Shapiro's voice is what I imagine "🤓" sounds like.
Best comment found this week. Bravo.
Really? I was thinking more 😰
it's like that one kid on house md who pissed off house lol
🤣🤣
Shapiro use to eat pork up at one point, probably 7 years ago.
I am surprised at Bens lack of aptitude and skill to defend his own religion. As a Christian who studies the Bible and Theology, we are well aware of the human authors of all the books in the Bible, including the Hebrew Bible AKA Old Testament.
His religion is essentially solely used as a political tool
Poor Ben is in a logical trap and he knows it.
No you don't
@@rijusnar1994 I’d be interested to know how you know what knowledge I do and don’t posses
@@nerdtalk1789 who are the authors if you are well aware ?
It is the same argument with the Torah. Whether you are an Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, or Reconstructionist, men wrote it, and it was passed down from generation to generation. It would be naive to think that man has not corrupted the scription from time to time.
But it's simply not true. We look at manuscripts from the 1400s, from the 1000s, from the 300s, whenever. like we look at more modern manuscripts and very ancient manuscripts and we find that actually the writings and such have NOT changed much and started pretty consistent
Think about it this way. Atheism is recent. Before that people were insanely religious, especially the monks who were in charge of transcription. If you were ordered to transcribe a holy book and it said "if you change a single word you're going to get absolutely bodied by God bro" I'd be pretty careful to make sure I get it right
That’s your opinion, and I respect it. I choose to be more realistic. People are inherently evil as they have been persuaded from the beginning of time in the apple tree. All we can do is repent and follow GOD through prayer, good actions, and reading whatever scripture you deem real.
Not really, back then everything was passed down orally and that was seen as how we see writing today. They fact checked each other and made sure the story stayed consistent. Along with the thing other people have mentioned about the manuscripts we have for the Bible. In fact we have more manuscripts for the Bible than we do for stories and things about ancient history that we teach in schools.
please don't systematically dismantle my worldview with logic and reason 😭
You must not have any knowledge of your religion…
God is an infinite being.
He doesn't want to overload his people with too much information.
@@bigbunsclassic
You blame God for the world being a cursed and broken place.
You also think the world has always been a cursed and broken place.
Neither of those cases are true.
@@bigbunsclassic Well said, my friend. Well said.
@@villiamkarl-gustavlundberg5422 You completely missed the point of what he was saying.
C'mon Ben, facts don't care if you are fan of something or not.
This is why Ben quit the talk show circuit and learned to stay in his lane, debating blue-haired freshman on college campuses. One or two of the right questions and he flounders…hard.
@@ryancallsin I agree.
Judge a tree by its fruit use that analogy for all things in life Jesus words
It’s simply explanation and remember god changed his teaching for different times and customs
Yeah c'mon guys they didn't know to cook meat, that's why pork was the only meat with parasites? Jesus you guys need more help then God could ever provide.
Joe: pork can be cooked
Comment section: 🤡 And that's why God isn't real, take that believers!
Exactly lmao
Without God I'm nothing 🙏 🙌
Same brother
Bunch of scoundrels wrote the Bible.
That's clear
True. Hare Krishna!
@@stargazer137they never saw it coming
You can see the cognitive dissonance as soon as he starts thinking about it
we’ll see in the end won’t we.
@@willtoler6917 No we won't, Shapiro is too indoctrinated to ever recognize how he doesn't apply critical thinking to this part of his life
@@willtoler6917LMAO What end ? The real one at the end of your life or the make believe one abrahamic mythology enthusiast keep telling us will happen every two years ?
@@ayushkadel1168 no need to get insecure about my delusional comment right? After all, we’ll see :)
I can’t wait for them to discuss infant male circumcision. 🍿
In full video Ben proceeds to provide a naturalistic cause for Moses splitting the Red Sea.
Cause or ability?
I don't the cause is in question.
That's just sad to hear. A jew downplaying the works and wonders of God. Like no wonder they were sentenced to wonder the desert for 40 years.
@@colorlessozno wonder we humans can’t move forward because people like you who believe in fairy tales and wanna push as fact. Believe what you want but leave others alone with their beliefs and opinions just like you do on sundays when you surround yourself with like minded individuals
@@RalphSampson... source? I can't find the video
Edit NVM I got it
@@colorlessozwander
Hey,
just wanted to share the Gospel that all men need, the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) this means we all deserve death and separation from a perfect and holy God. But God did not leave us for dead, He sent His only begotten Son to die in yours and my place, so that anyone who believes in Him and repents of sin will be saved from separation from God, and have eternal life! I urge you please put your faith in Jesus Christ and follow Him, He promises to save all who cry out to Him and have a humble heart. We arent guaranteed another day so we must seek Him today while He may be found.
Amen
God has begotten son ???? Wow . I don't believe that
@user-fi8eo4rj3x begotten meaning only one of a kind, separate. Jesus is not a spirt child of God in the same way we have children, as mormons believe; He is eternal.
Begotten just means one of a kind, only.
@@MemeRider in the verse, it says begotten son , and begotten does not mean one of a kind or only
@@user-fi8eo4rj3x it does though, its a Greek word.
‼️⭕ READ THIS ⭕‼️
1.So who wrote the Bible❓ God or people? Basically the entire Bible is written by the inspiration of God, through his people. 2 Timothy 3:16 (All Scripture is God-breathed)
2. Can we eat pork or not❓ Mark 7:19 (For it doesn't go to their heart but to their stoamch, and then out of the body, Jesus declared all foods clean). The point is, the thing that goes in to your mouth, doesn't necessarily make tou unclean. What makes you unclean is what comes out of you. (your heart, your desire. for example: evil thoughts, lying, sexual immorality, ency, deceit, etc.). I hope this helps✝️
Pork became clean after god flooded the earth everything on Noah's ark became clean
"the Bible is inspired by God." Why? How do you know? "Because the bibles says so." Right. This is as effective as connecting a multiplug to itself. Circular reasoning.
As long as i know , author of bible is anonymous . John didn't write john , matthew didn't write matthew etc. , And according to bible its specifically wrong for eating pork.
@@javieradorno2503The dude never claimed it says in the Bible " this is inspired by God " . He gave you references from the book of Timothy and the book of Mark for why he believes. What more do you want from him?
As Christians we are fairly sure we know who wrote all the books of the new testament , secular scholars are sure of about half of it. Outwith the 4 gospels and the book of acts, the nesw testament is made of letters and correspondence between churches in Greece, Turkey, Rome and Israel . We know Paul wrote the majority of them. These aren't like the OT , these are just advice on how to govern the church . We believe Paul met the risen Jesus and we believe this gave Paul authority to spread Gods word.
@@leonwilcox-tp2jg Brother, as you surely know it too, the Bible was written long time ago, and it's not a science textbook or smt like that. It's more like a collection of important stories and teachings. So when we read it, we gotta understand that some things might not match up with what we know from science.
And the story of Noah's ark isn't meant to be a real historical event, but more like a story with a deeper meaning. It's all about God's judgment, mercy, and faithfulness.
Scientifically, we know that animals ended up on different continents because of some stuff that are taught in elementary school, like continental drift, migration, and adapting to their environments over a long time. So it's totally possible that the ancestors of koalas and kangaroos were chilling on the ark and then made their way to where they are now.
And one last thing, let's be honest and admit it, I'm sure we all might have some questions that leaves us confused, and only God knows the answer! Let me tell you smt, be sure that you always have God with you in evey situation even if you deny him. and in this kind of moments I want to encourage you to not get mad soon. nothing bad will happen if you ask your questions from God too :) always ask but search a little bit about the questions you have. but to some stuff, we just don't know! we are human after all, our brain is big but we don't have unlimited knowlede. May God bless you.
Facts don't care about feelings Ben
You don’t even know the facts kid
@@sirhoopalot1125 has Ben reached puberty yet? My God that voice
@@t-rozbenouameur5304 you’re not lying tho
@@t-rozbenouameur5304 more ad hominem lmao
Meanwhile in Ancient Greece:
-Thanks man for saving my ass in the previous battle, now it's all yours.
😂
so fucking true
LMFAO
Homosexuality in Greece is one of the biggest misconceptions I see repeated everywhere. Though this is a funny joke.
Funny, but no truer then than today.
He said he believed because he is an Orthodox Jew, not because he has evidence to justify his belief.
Don't argue with someone who is arguing for money. They will never agree anything you say ❤️👍
Ben’s so logical until he has to confront his own bias
Better than the mouthfoam and riots we get from leftists faced with challenging questions.
@@anonymoushonesty2688 true
@@anonymoushonesty2688 I'd prefer lefty riots than righty insurrections. Plus I like the freedom to read books or say gay.
What about not being extreme and choose neither?
What is wrong about what ben said in this video?
This is what happens when you stop picking on college students and debate somebody who knows what's up 😂
Christians may eat pork because God has declared it once more to be clean. “What God has declared clean you must not call common” (Acts 10:15). Pork is one of those “foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth” (1Timothy 4:3). I guess j.c. was hip on trichinosis.
Do you, or joe rogan, know the real reason God commands us not to eat unclean foods?
Dawg joe Rogan is not smart Lmao
Ben Shapiro does have pretty solid logic except with religion. Which is a shame really. Its hard to believe someone so versed in debate can believe something so ridiculous.
@@kiarce3He's pretty damn smart. He has caused very smart people to fumble their words many times.
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16)
It's not just trichinosis... It is more than that... Several reasons pork is not good... Long story short... Ask a farmer bro... Pigs are deadly to other farm animals as well... Example...you can't have other animals (horses/cows) in a pen/area where pigs were kept for up to FIVE years after pigs are removed... Due to pigs being soooo nasty. Even if you dig out the pig dirt level... Pigs are farmed separately for a reason. Pigs are not kosher for a reason. You CANT de-worm a pig. Just think about it... Do you think that people thousands of years ago didn't know anything about pigs? Lol... Pigs have been farmed forever... People knew MORE about farming long ago than we all know now. It was not an option. If you want to dispute the bible... I wouldn't do it by proving that eating pigs is bad for you... That's what the bible says. Cooking pork to 145 is still not cleaning the meat... It is still meat filled with worms and fat and still makes people sick. Bottom line the bible is 100% accurate STILL.
Poor Ben. So smart and so dumb at the same time.
How so?
that's what happens to a person who is so verbally talented but not so visual
Rich Ben.
@@mirahgirl01 fair enough 😂
Well spoken but no real knowledge.
Ben Shapiro cornered? Only Joe Rogan can pull that off effortlessly.
I’m not sure about that, most of the arguments with him I’ve seen are with 19 year old college students
@@geoffsaunderson5766 That's cause he's usually giving a university lecture or debate....??
Easy peasy argument for Pork as a Non-kosher food:
YHWH created the earth and animals in it, giving them a function.
YHWH Created HERBIVORES, MOST (but not all) of which we can eat.
YHWH created Pigs as Omnivores and to be the rubbish collectors for the earth, along with vultures and cockroaches and dogs too . These animals are Scavengers that were Not created for human consumption. This is why they carry tapeworm. A lot of diseases derive from eating meat that has scavenged the earth.
Same with shrimp and shellfish - these are the scavengers of the seas and not meant to be used for consumption.
A lot of the reasons why many of us enjoy eating shellfish and shrimp is largely due to the garlic butter sauce in it, more than to the actual flesh.
@@morticiag OH REALLY? 😮
No Ben is in a battle of wits with an unarmed man🥳
Should’ve shown Ben’s full response but it gets cut off right when he’s seemingly ‘stumped’ by the question.
I love his response about not liking the naturalistic explanation… when there needs to be an explanation to the why or how on every thing all the time it places limitations on what is truly possible.
But that's hypocrisy, Religion shouldn't go against nature unless it's man made
Ben really working fucking hard on the mental gymnastics here lol
Theres this thing in religion called "faith". There are many beliefs that dont line up with as Ben said "naturalistic " explanations.
@@bbcr11 yea I agree but some things are ridiculous. Surely if we overcome an issue that was prevalent when the texts were written, as humans with free will, it is not against His judgement. Or would that be rebellion? If so, that’s not the God I know and love. Probably good that I’m not a Jew.
@@joshualyons2854 The God we know and love doesn’t care if we eat pork or not. Genius.
That is for Muslims.
What the hell are you talking about lmao.
@@vinniehuish3987 I said I, not 'we'. Believe what you want, I don't care.
What do you mean that is for muslims? afaik they can't eat pork. What are you talking about?
@@joshualyons2854 Are you like senile or delusional? You said and I quote “That is not the God I know and love”
Keyword I
Doesn’t like being on the receiving end 😂
I'll bet he loves receiving it in his end
yeah i wonder if hes very religous or if he doesnt want to face his community after entertaining those ideas in a discusion
@Jefsen Mulkey but if your religion is true, there should be a reasonable explanation for everything about it. I love when my beliefs are challenged.
At least your mom does
What do you want from it? I am secular and I think ben is right here. Joe only speculated here that the religious commandment had a natural explanation
The end is the slowest I have ever heard Ben shapiro talk
Pork eats the carcasses of the dead animals as well as vultures. If the land is clean and the grass is lush for the cows to have good milk and the flowers are healthy for the bees to make the finest honey hence “ the land of milk and honey”
It's upsetting to me to see Ben shut down when he was put into the same position he puts others into for a living. I believe he is a logical man. But when it comes to religion, it's like logic has left the building.
He ate non kosher before he went proper orthodox.
He needs to put himself in the people he critiques' shoes and realise he's being just as stupid and blind as them.
to be fair he has to be really careful when it comes yo talking about his religion, he could lose tons of audience if he says something wrong
Religion isn't based on facts it's based on faith.
@@adammonahan687
Exactly, and I don't have faith in an all powerful being, how's supposedly a loving caring character, letting children go through what they go through, with pedofilies, trafficking, beatings and all that.
So no, I don't believe in God's.
I do believe in the good in people tho.
That people make a choice to be kind, because it's the right thing to do.
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,..."
none sence... all are written by human who had big imagination..
Elmo got Cornered when Rogan slapped him with the Bacon theory 😅
Not eating pork had to do with pigs being an unclean animal.
I think this is the only time I've seen that someone brought an argument to Ben that he couldn't successfully refute.
Ben refutes everything he doesn't like, many times he's not successful, he just can't admit it.
Lol what?
@@one4320 Give me an example of when Ben's opposition successfully dismantles what he has to say, especially in a debate platform, doesn't happen
Watch Ben talk to the BBC then. They weren't even arguing and he lost.
@@BERSERK263 He got destroyed by that BBC presenter 😂
Have ever met someone who is angry after eating a BLT sandwich?
I am angry that all the bacon is gone.
Only when they slice the tomato super thick and I get a watery sandwich.
@@unemployedingreenland9358 Yeah, I forgot about that. Now I am angry just thinking about it 😤
Joe was right about this one. God did make rules because of natural health reasons. That's why God is considered a Father. He was making sure they didn't kill themselves off by eating bad pork, uncooked or not cooked enough.
"The Adonmination of Desolation" or
"The Disgusting Thing" Daniel 11:31
Antiochus IV (Epiphanes), the king of Syria, captured Jerusalem in 167 BC and desecrated the Temple by offering the sacrifice of a pig on an altar to Zeus (the Abomination of Desolation).
2 Kings 17:27 Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, “Send there one of the priests whom you brought from there; let him go and dwell there, and let him teach them the rituals of the God of the land.” 28 Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and dwelt in Bethel, and taught them how they should fear the Lord. 29 However every nation continued to make gods of its own, and put them in the shrines on the high places which the Samaritans had made, every nation in the cities where they dwelt.
No. Rogan is wrong. You can speculate all you want but as Ben said you can't know. Why specific rules were made. According to religious view God makes commandments which are to be followed. You can speculate on the reasons but you can't realy be sure why
Pork isn't the only animal Israel was told not to eat. Read Leviticus. Mammals must part the hoof and chew the cud, you may eat jumping insects (like crickets), fish must have fins and scales, and domesticated birds were clean to eat. Other dietary laws include: don't cook a kid (goat) in its mothers milk and don't consume blood
I think it has less to do with a healthy diet or any historical context, but rather, everything to do with obedience to God.
Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV) "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Yes, Scavenger animals in Leviticus 11 in the bible, have bacteria and toxins in them. Clams and shellfish are water filters. Birds of prey carry strong viral bacteria and disease. You are advised not to eat clams and shellfish during winter months due to red tide. It all makes sense. Toxic meat filled with impurities is unhealthy. That is what Leviticus chapter 11 is all about. People just have to read it and ask themselves which of those animals you would consider to be inedible because they are filthy. Rat, vulture, bat, dog, cat, venomous snakes, poison spiders, insects such as cockroaches... What would people eat.
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
Voltaire
@@AtamMardesWhere is Voltaire now? Lol. He probably lived a shit life and now is dead
Gold Joe, pure gold
You have to cook chicken to 160 degrees
How so?
Who cares why, if you believe it to be a revelation from god, and you consciously make a decision to ‘listen to god’, that’s all that matters. Religions have been prescribing intermittent fasting for thousands of years, health experts just discovered the amazing health benefits of withholding food. parasites getting killed off at a specific temperature is irrelevant.
Pigs are disgusting by the way, and by far the closest thing to humans in the way of composition and texture. It even smells and tastes like human meat, as claimed by cannibals who’ve experienced both.
Never Knew Pork can be So Golden.
Ben Shapiro is the most logical person ever.....until he starts defending his own religious beliefs.
His logic is barely scraping bottom on even gender side of talking points. His 'ownage' material is based on lack of emotions and chimps consider him superior to themselves. He cant hold his own in any conversation with comprehending person.
He use to eat pork until he went orthodox
The pig wasn’t to be eaten just because of that disease. It was due to its hoof, as well because it does not chew the cud primarily. It was a signification that it was not meant to be eaten. A mere stamp.
Rogan throwing massive kicks reduced this guy to sound like he is going through a meat grinder
If god wrote the bible...how dare man edit it into a second edition....
Because alot of the shit in the first edition was downright embarrassingly horrible. Religion is man made mind control for the weak. Nothing more, nothing less.
I know if you really read the Bible, you would learn that it's a sin to edit and take away stuff from the bible, everyone is going to limbo, when Jesus supposedly comes back when people are judged and go to heaven, it's why I'm a satanist if you want material things you pray to him because the earth belongs to him,
2 Corinthians 4 4
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
Jesus is really the son of Satan
“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18-19.)
Sad sad sad YHWH that's God's name he is either not all powerful
Or he is not all good
The Bible is full of copyist errors
@@cislife7140 don’t worship evil
@@cislife7140 you are so fucked when you die lol
I have an amazing story. One day I was driving home, when all the sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith.
So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are by Nirvana".
I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly…
I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling.
He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car.
A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 6 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.
COULDN'T GET THE NO PORK PART DWL
😂😂😂😂😂"I think that's a good one though, for pork"
I don't understand where Joe was going with pork parasites & Bible????
There was a better explanation why raising pigs is dangerous from epidemiological point of view.
Thus prohibiting pork consumption eliminated raising of pigs in densely populated areas.
The pork argument is very valid and reasonable though
Bro crumbled at the end😂
“All Hail The Joe”
As a science-educated agnostic in a family of fundamentalist mormons, I've been in Joe's shoes like this so many times where you're trying to help a religious person separate fact from fiction. You patiently walk them through their own belief system (as they describe it) with logic, reason, and evidence and you can see their rusted gears slowly turning but you can also feel the urgent panic to defend these irrational pillars of their belief system because their ego rightly fears deconstructing the cherished lies that they've internalized.
newsflash: almost everything a secular person calls "science" actually has no scientific basis or validity at all. modern "Science" is devoid of logic, reason or evidence
Well said. I've had conversations with religious people where I slowly walk them through, step by step, an argument against their beliefs. They will agree with EVERY precept, and yet when it comes time to connect the very final dot, they just refuse to do it. It's sad. It's pathetic. They think we don't understand what they're doing. We do. We really do.
@@godless1014 it’s kinda like the old thing of realizing you’re wrong halfway through an argument but continuing to argue anyway because it’s not about being factually correct, it’s about winning the argument.
Appreciate this. Well stated. Thanks
For every dependent thing composed of parts there is a composer. So, everything made of pieces is dependent. The universe is made of pieces and therefore the universe is dependent. And of course, if it is dependent it can either be dependent on something which is dependent or dependent on something which is independent. If it’s dependent on something which is independent, then the job has been done. In fact, we have been able to establish the existence of an independent entity. Through which all other entities depend on. And if it’s dependent on something which is dependent, then we have a series of dependent things and the universe would have no beginning. So it must be dependent upon a independent entity. That independent entity must be all powerful and all knowing, the entity must also have a will.
Pork is not against the Bible,I'm orthodox christian and I eat pork.Also,people wrote the Bible,but they wrote what God told them either trough Jesus in New Testament or Moses in Old Testament.
I'm a Christian, but no, eating pork is a sin. It's somewhere in the book of Leviticus, and along with pork is other meats such as the meat from Camels. The rule is you can't eat "animals with hooves and chew the cud". I might hunt the verse down if you want it
@@John-ev9br When Jesus,the Son of God,walked this earth,He Himself declared that the clean/unclean food laws of the Old Testament were now abolished by God.You can read about it,for example,in Mark 7:18-19,where Jesus tells His disciples,“Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him;because it does not go into his heart,but into his stomach,and is eliminated?”(Thus He declared all foods clean).
we have all sinned and the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus John 316
I'm sorry but whenever he talks about religion he completely abandons facts and logic
You pretty much have to because facts and logic completely dismantle what the vast majority of religious people believe in and rely on.
He has to. You can be correct politically, socially and scientifically, but never be correct religiously. Every religion is a myth and people will die before their brainwashing let's them admit that. Transgenders know they are wrong their delusion won't let them say otherwise. Same thing.
Anyone have this podcast link
The real miracle here is how anyone still takes Ben Shapiro seriously.
I always found it fascinating that very logical and reasonable people drop logic and reason when it comes to religion
That's how you can tell religion is science fiction. It's incredible that even today's science gets wiped away for religion.
To be fair even the most rational and logical humans are ruled by their beliefs and feelings, and when we don't know, we fall back on what we feel.
@@Monkey-fv2km Pretty much the opposite. Albert Einstein stated "I believe in Spinoza's God" Meaning he didn't succumb to such beliefs while he discovered new scientific breakthroughs. So your statement is naive like Einstein said about mixing science with belief or religion.
@@redogg2749 I wasn't taking about faith or religion.
@@Monkey-fv2km Quote "Logical humans are ruled by their beliefs and feeling" -Monkey
Wow I don't think I've ever seen Shapiro stumped like this aha
you realize that this is a short and ben only just started talking and before he made is point the video stops? unbelievable how ignorant ppl are
@@MrDenjok hey good point man I haven't seen the whole thing yet. Lets keep it friendly
@@michaelolivares6914 It just gets worse. Ben is brilliant, but nobody can logically defend something like the Bible..
Ben use to eat pork before becoming orthodox.
Liberals still cry inside when they see this person 😂😂😂
The only thing Joe did was point out that their is a difference between the Ten Commandments and the Mitzvahs (the pork example).
Rogan refuted a Mitzvah because it's human made, which is the same exact point Jesus makes in the Gospels
So like a backdoor reversi checkmate on himself
This is where my respect for Ben goes down. A well educated man , known for logic and reason , choose to believe snippets of history , twisted into mind control propaganda fairytales. Fabricated by the few to have power over the many. That’s a shame.
Do you know who created time? If not shutup 😊
@@sirhoopalot1125 : and for you , I have no respect. Not for having a different opinion or not even that you were telling me to shut up. That’s ok , but expressing strong views using a colourful language and not using your real name , that’s the weasel way of a full blown , pureblooded coward. How does that make you feel , you recreant?🐔
@@raggeragnar sad shit
@@sirhoopalot1125do you?
@@fuckoff4438 lol no
People who wrote the Bible: "Lmao let's troll mfs in the future" 🗿
Yeah i highly doubt that
Ben goes into lawyer mode on the pork point
😂
He damn sure did.
Ben thinks George Bush wrote it
Hahaha
He couldnt admit the doubt he OBVIOUSLY felt
Fire cooks all meat hotter than 145° regardless of whether it's pork, beef, poultry or fish. So the trichinosis argument doesn't make sense.
Meat has thickness. You have to cook the INSIDE to that temperature too.
@@ruirodtubewhich they didn’t understand back then roasting the whole thing till it was black on the outside and still raw in the middle
@@Acer435 preferably slow roasted for the internal temp to catch up to the outside temperature
scavenger animals in Leviticus 11in the bible, have bacteria and toxins in them. Clams and shellfish are water filters. Birds of prey carry strong viral bacteria and disease. You are advised not to eat clams and shellfish during winter months due to red tide. It all makes sense. Toxic meat filled with impurities is unhealthy. That is what Leviticus chapter 11 is all about. You just have to read it and ask yourself which of those animals you would consider to be inedible because they are filthy. Rat, vulture, bat, dog, cat, venomous snakes, poison spiders, insects such as cockroaches... What would you eat. Do you see the point?
@@EmperorNonya"they didn't know how to cook meat back then"
Who gave a weapon to mankind?
Who drove them crazy up against the persons around them when they were angry?Who led them to make the wrong decisions?
The one who is against all of these above yet also against the damnation of mankind and is genuinely caring of the humans in real,wrote the Bible.
Funny how God hasn't written anything since we could start actually recording events.
Bruh, god didn't write the bible and put it on earth. No religion believes that. The bible is a collection on books written by each chapters respective prophet, for example Matthew, John, Isaiah, as in Mathew 3:1 -12. The original prophet was a guy named Abraham and he is the basis of all abrahamic religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Muslim. Specifically splitting at at the prophet known as Jesus. The Jews believe up to Moses but refused the teachings of Jesus, the Christians are those that follow that teaching of Jesus, and the Muslims strictly only worship the unseen god and therefore cannot believe in the teachings of Jesus
@@KEK_404 Funny how there haven't been prophets since we could start actually recording events.
@@francespulido5215 there were prophets after Jesus, the prophet Muhammad comes to mind for the Muslims. But the logical answer to that is that there is no need for another, all of the information, the complete teachings are there, everything one would need to ascend to the afterlife exist within the bible (or Quran if that's your game) but yes the Jews are still waiting on their final prophet
@@KEK_404 Rubbish, Jesus is fundamental in the Muslim religion
He is so important that they say he will defeat the devil on the final day, he will come again. Yes, they don't agree he was resurrected, but rather died on the cross, and gave the 'appearance' of coming to life again, but they do believe he will come again on the final day.
Im not a Muslim but i have a clue. He is revered in Islam.
@@Buccarado very true. I said that somewhere
Religiulous delusions... 🤦🏼♂️
Would you like to follow with an argument?
@@brandonfallsdelaware5871 About nonsensical make believe? How about it's illogical and irrational?
You do know how burden of proof works, right?
Well up to now in our last years days it's all been written and it's all happened and look at what a mess we're in so.. needless to say anymore be ready he's coming and it's a great thing
@@renaromero3430🤣🤣yea ? He’s coming? That’s what Peter thought 2 thousand years ago and right now he’s dirt. Or is he in heaven? Where is heaven btw? Is it in the sky or on mars or is it another dimension. Fallacy on fallacy
@@lllllliiillllll I was about to say something similar, the world is always ending but it never does lmao
There's almost a point where Ben's brain seems like it's going to stall.
"Because I'm an orthodox Jew I'm supposed to believe certain things" is not the same as "I believe"
As a clinical nutritionist, I would like to say I've broken down in laboratory pigs and they have human DNA as a adjunct meaning they were mixed with human beings or were fed human beings and therefore their DNA is used for valves with our hearts and for skin grafting. I would never eat a pig... you could not make me, and I am a Jew who believes in Christ. Makes me different than ben but I still love him. I love Joe Rogan too because he asks all the right questions. This is the first time I've seen Ben stumped on an answer.
Biblically unclean animals are all scavenger creatures and have high viral loads and toxic buildup in their bodies. Crustations are water filters and full of impurities. Insects are just filthy.
How does a Jew believe in Christ?
The dirtiest animal
@@Arab-1995s Look at the list of scavenger animals in the Bible. in Leviticus 11. You would have to do a comparison with all those dirty animals. I don't eat anything that has even touched pork or has been in the same pot as it, but I would think that a cat or vulture is pretty filthy dirty as well. I do not eat any shellfish or clams either. They are water filters.
@@Arab-1995s What do you mean exactly?
I grew up going to church every week but I don’t as an adult. I still find it cool when new studies and research comes out to back up what my religion taught me all along. Especially when it’s the weirder commandments that turn out to be good for you.
In the case of finding out scientifically why pork was “unclean” historically, I think that if you find out that there was a reason for it, but now that reason doesn’t apply, there should be a re-examination of the commandment. I seriously don’t know the answer to this, but do Jewish people not have a prophet of some sort to be the mouthpiece of God or do they just believe that everything that God needs us to know is already given to us?
A lot of logical loopholes if you look
take lsd and be happy. try not to think too hard before It's all gone and we're dead.
or maybe thinking will lead us into pureness.
Either one is dangerous.
Religious leaders would never consent to reexamining anything in the bible. That would be the beginning of the end for them. They are stuck with how it is written, and so must contort themselves accordingly in order to explain away the existing words.
Notice how so many people are refuting your for just believing ina value system that helps govern your life, people are sick. This new wave of science has done nothing but corrupt us, live your life by science or live your life by god they’re hand in hand only to the extent that the eye can see
"I don't like naturalistic explanations for religion". That's because then religion would have nothing to stand on lol.
Pure love for you Ben preach brother
“Your facts are hurting my feelings joe stop please”
Did you even watched the whole podcast? They did a great back and forth on this one
@@JeyC_ It wasn't great. Ben just gave outlandish excuses for irrational beliefs the entire time they discussed religion.
Joe literally never heard about the Roman’s, ancient Greeks, and Egyptians. They knew all this stuff back then. He treats it as though people were ignorant
Dude people TODAY are ignorant and still trying to say vaccines aren't real or masks don't work, of course people are dumb
the old Bible is probably older than that
‘I’m not a huge fan of naturalistic explanations for religion - I prefer blind ignorance and just being gullible’
I don’t have to agree with Ben Shapiro to see that he is a very intelligent and come out from what I’ve seen, fact driven guy. At least much more than most people. Right here he’s shown to be dishonest, seemingly. I say seemingly because this is A very short clip. But he doesn’t want to even slightly challenge his beliefs with undisputed modern day fact.
I think the thing I don’t understand most is why other people care if another person is religious. It’s like they go into a blind rage every time they hear someone is religious even though it has zero effect on their lives or beliefs.
One of my friends lost a roommate/friend who was murdered because someone's religious training taught him to murder Christians.
Religion affects everyone.
@@leonwilcox-tp2jg although some Christians do get mad when people simply aren’t Christian which I believe is wrong. So we agree on that.
@@leonwilcox-tp2jgChristians dont get mad at athiests, not even "some" of them. Every christian I met has been nothing but loving and forgiving and just.
"People wrote it, maybe"... oh dear oh dear 😂
We know who wrote almost every single book in the Bible. And they're all written by ppl empower and inspired by either the angel of the Lord (OT writers) or the Holy Spirit (NT writers)
He can’t stand his ground with older people
I love how Joe disarmed Ben with simple logic and he had no response. Love it!
It always s pleasure to listen to an open , respectful discussion.
But it's not open because everything Joe is bringing up against his superstitious beliefs he disregards. Just like all religious people have to. They're taking BS myths on faith and when anything challenges that with facts they go "lalalalalalala but I want to keep believing in my BS"
Well leftists aren't involved so yeah.
I was taught in school: God is the author, people are the writers
That’s called BS
"NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN."
Ben the best example of people who can talk well but have absolutely no idea!
A sad heap of misery to look at
That’s not the reason they didn’t eat pork though. They didn’t eat it (and other things) to set themselves apart from everyone else. The purpose for it was fulfilled and pork was no longer wrong to eat after the fulfillment. It’s really not that hard to understand
Right; i do not think it is hard to understand at all..
As I undetstand it, comming out of Egyptian slavery, the now free people entering into the promised land of Israel, needed a cultural identity of there own! All of the news and back stories of the civilizations surounding them, or that had collapsed before them all saw similer cycles of boom to bust; An endless cycle of moral decay becoming to wanton corruption leading to societal collapse again and again. Nations rose, conquered, fell and became conqured. So, this group, the Israelites, sought to set them apart from the other countries surrounding them trying to break tgat endless cycle.
That country to the north blends two cloths? Well, not Israel!
This country to the south eats animals with cloven feet? not Israel!
The country to the east and west like to have non commital sex with anyone, anytime, every place whenever they please!?!?! Well, not Isreal!
"We who are in Isreal, we will be one nation, under one God as a nation of law and order. We will define our selves by THE TRUTH AND JUSTICE! Here, we are going to model our families upon how families started like with Adam and Eve, and where saved by Mosses and his wife..."
"a few moments later"
and it wasnt until lawlessness entered into Isreal, that the rules and laws suddenly became suggestions as they become conqured nation subjects by Rome...
and then, hither came Jesus of Nazareth the fuillfilment of ALL The Laws and the prophets too tred the earth under his sandled feet to be the beacon of light and life and hope that guides us all unto the only way that leads to glory...Not glory of ones self, or one nation, but GOD's glory that is meant to be shared by all who are in GOD's presence.
No Christian or Bible verse claims it was written by God, its not like the claim Muslims make on the Qur'an. It is written by humans enlightened by God.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
"Because I'm an Orthadox Jew"
Should have just said "Because I can't think for myself..."
Two very bright individuals there.
Naturalist vs Jew? Two fools bickering. Naturalist uses logic to claim there is only material that exists (logic isnt material), Jew is scrambling around to justify his belief in a god of his own creation. Not sure where the brightness of these individuals is.
When you get someone who normally speaks fast and has a comeback for nearly every argument to say, "I don't know, maybe?" you've done your job.
The fast talking is Ben’s debate tactic. Overwhelm you opponent with information. It make you seem smart and really difficult and time consuming to respond. Basically diarrehea mouth.
He's trying to not hurt Joe's feelings by disregarding his thought entirely
@@masternamer9399 So he is putting Joes feelings before what he believes are facts? Thought he was all facts above feelings?
@@kaiserblazer He’s about facts above feelings until it comes to his book. Then feelings matter.
@@masternamer9399 thats called losing the argument
I’m not Jewish but I think the idea is that it’s simply immoral or, more likely, God spoke to man and told them to construct a holy book and they messed it up a bit bc man is not perfect and never was.