Actually in hindsight I could have done better to signify it was a joke. I do think Dnd 5e isn't that well designed but I say that as someone who has played a lot of it, has had fun with it, and is currently in a very long running 5e campaign. I still stand by Pathfinder 2e Wizards are way better to play lmao.
@@glueboy Thank you and I'll admit my own fault for being a bit triggered by your joke. And will attempt to make amends by subbing lol. If you are this quick to address a viewers concerns I'm interested to see future content.
Lol its good. If I get called out and theres actual merit to it then yeah, I'll address it. Which here, I made a joke that only lands if you're familiar with the other stuff I do where I give my real more nuanced takes on tabletop games. Which is bad to assume.
Tremere Heh, Nah it's all about us, the Hecata. Tremere fashion themselves as Witches, Magic-Users, yet all they really have are parlor tricks, without those, they'd be useless but as a Necromancer myself I find their Blood Sorceries interesting to learn, I'm being tutored by a Tremere Fledgling, the poor fool thinks I will bring his dead touchstone back after I've learned all his rituals, maybe I will, after I clean my trace and kill this 'Warlock' Fledgling, Ironically their Ghost will be mine but at least they got what they wanted...even if they lost what they had...Reminds me of their origin story, how poetic.
Tremere, vampire meets wizard, also a lot of bastardry on a scale even unusual for the kindred combining mage arrogance with vampire callousness. Still blood magic is pretty cool!
Came back to this video after playtesting the Blood Sigils rituals and creating my own, honestly it makes Tremere in V5 so much fun so long as players don't go overboard with the creation of rituals at ST discretion but one of my rituals I made in a dark ages chronicle was for a Tremere who was interested in Tzimisce Vicissitude with the whole conflict between the two clans so they created a ritual using Tzimisce blood tied it to human hair as 1 of the ingredients for a level 2 ritual that turns the targets hair into worms, with worms being the caster's blood due to the hints of Saulot in the Tremere's blood. Was really cool and became a great curse ritual a Prince I could get a hair sample of then it's just getting Tzimisce blood, adding my own in a silver bowl and bam Cainites got worm hair for a margin depending on success contested.
While there are many elements of the 5th edition lore setting that I am torn on, although I do think that the Second Inquisition was a necessary addition as a whole as the Masquerade had kind of lost its point before that, how vulnerable the Tremeres had inadvertently made themselves will never stop being hilarious to me.
Yeah 5e has its ups and downs lore wise. Like off the top of my head I'm not a fan of its changes to Ghenna and some of the effects that has had. But on the other hand, the clean up for Clans like Ravnos and Malkavian is real nice. And then the Second Inquisition really forcing the Masquerade to come back much harsher was needed. In reading some older stuff it did feel like Kindred could coast a bit in the 90s. I've seen some complaints but I do really like the idea it brings of forcing the Kindred to reexamine how to stay hidden in a world that is QUICKLY outpacing them at an unprecedented pace.
@@glueboy It wasn't just coasting a bit. They had literal vampire wars happening on streets that didn't matter that much because the vampires controlled the law enforcement, media and politicians. From another perspective, I do think that the change in the system reflects an interesting shift in how vampire stories are viewed in current mainstream culture. In the 90s, that was still the era of the Anne Rice and Bram Stoker's Dracula inspired vampire stories where it was more about this gothic mood and courtly intrigue by beings defined by their immortality. While now for a story to work, there needs to be a much more concrete idea of how do vampires work in the current age with the everything changing so fast. Like a more concrete sense of belonging to this world is demanded than when the game first came out.
Then toss in the Sabbat being well... the Sabbat lmao. Vampires just were everywhere. Wasnt much of a secret world. Yeah I prefer the newer tone a lot more. Which is pretty similar with what you said about being torn on it. The big wild stuff is fun and I miss some of the actual rules of older VtM. Vampire politics is fun and those points of inspiration are real cool, as a heavy roleplay style player though? I want more personal horror. Which is the 5e idea in a nutshell. Makes me way prefer the vibes of 5e VtM even though there are some great lore details we lost in the jump.
Ah, I didnt know that you needed a soul to use your avatar and bend reality. I knew of the deal and becoming a vampire looses your Avatar but I didnt know why. So, who is this Salout guy? Like, he sounds prety interesting.
Basically just the Antedeluvian for the Selubri. The part that I'm saving is theres some lore details that hes one of the handful of Vampires to find harmony with their beast. Or in game terms, reach humanity 10. This is also debated/possibly retconned lol. Some 1st, to 2nd, to 3rd edition shenanigans from what I was seeing on the wiki. I'm gonna have to go pdf hunting for that video.
I’m honestly not sure how that works. Cuz like, in the lore, Lilith was likely a mage, and yet when she became a vampire, she was both a mage and a vampire. It probably exists mainly for gameplay reasons since giving the ability to hybridize two vastly different game lines is just begging for power gamers.
The Tremere not Salubri. Found the claim through the wiki, but the Tremere were banned from Seattle for a good bit. Which isnt rare. Since despite being so prominent, everyone hates them. Alec Cross undid this when he took over. While that part isn't explicitly stated yet, the presence of Tremere in Seattle for Bloodlines 2 says it does.
Unpopular Opinion but I like V5's focus on Rituals for Tremere, Paths felt wayyy to DND-like and compared to other disciplines Thaumaturgy paths felt wayyy out of tone, shooting fireballs, controlling weather you can certainly have games like that but it feels so much more super-hero like, when I played V20 I always preferred the rituals to the actual Emperor Palpatine lightning. I know a lot of people hate the focus on Rituals and more "Witchcraft-like magic" over "Fantasy Wizard Vampires" but I seriously don't get it, I feel like the Tremere work best as deceivers using Hermeticism and Witchcraft to create magic effects.
I get what you mean. I think thematically it makes sense. Its just the constant push and pull over themes and removing character options. Which even at the best of reasons, does just feel bad.
Looking at the results I can't disagree. Clan Tremere are the top 3 of the Camarilla. The choices they made to get there though? I would still call a serious of "failing upward." As deserved for these amazing vampire wizards.
very judgy of the most popular ttrpg. Maybe it is a good game that isnt for you.
Actually in hindsight I could have done better to signify it was a joke. I do think Dnd 5e isn't that well designed but I say that as someone who has played a lot of it, has had fun with it, and is currently in a very long running 5e campaign. I still stand by Pathfinder 2e Wizards are way better to play lmao.
@@glueboy Thank you and I'll admit my own fault for being a bit triggered by your joke. And will attempt to make amends by subbing lol. If you are this quick to address a viewers concerns I'm interested to see future content.
Lol its good. If I get called out and theres actual merit to it then yeah, I'll address it. Which here, I made a joke that only lands if you're familiar with the other stuff I do where I give my real more nuanced takes on tabletop games. Which is bad to assume.
I can't stop thinking of THE GRRRREAT AND MIGHTY KEVIN
Little known fact about the Tremere, their clan discipline isn’t actually thaumaturgy, it’s the audacity
Tremere Heh, Nah it's all about us, the Hecata. Tremere fashion themselves as Witches, Magic-Users, yet all they really have are parlor tricks, without those, they'd be useless but as a Necromancer myself I find their Blood Sorceries interesting to learn, I'm being tutored by a Tremere Fledgling, the poor fool thinks I will bring his dead touchstone back after I've learned all his rituals, maybe I will, after I clean my trace and kill this 'Warlock' Fledgling, Ironically their Ghost will be mine but at least they got what they wanted...even if they lost what they had...Reminds me of their origin story, how poetic.
I’m now throughly convinced my physics teacher in high school is from clan tremere
Tremere, vampire meets wizard, also a lot of bastardry on a scale even unusual for the kindred combining mage arrogance with vampire callousness. Still blood magic is pretty cool!
As a Gangrel, I must agree that they're the dumbest. They'll pay for the whole 'gargoyle' thing. Mark my words.
The Gargoyle thing was pretty fucked up ngl
I love Gargoyles, they are so cool! Very fucked up creation though
Lets fucking gooooooo
Came back to this video after playtesting the Blood Sigils rituals and creating my own, honestly it makes Tremere in V5 so much fun so long as players don't go overboard with the creation of rituals at ST discretion but one of my rituals I made in a dark ages chronicle was for a Tremere who was interested in Tzimisce Vicissitude with the whole conflict between the two clans so they created a ritual using Tzimisce blood tied it to human hair as 1 of the ingredients for a level 2 ritual that turns the targets hair into worms, with worms being the caster's blood due to the hints of Saulot in the Tremere's blood.
Was really cool and became a great curse ritual a Prince I could get a hair sample of then it's just getting Tzimisce blood, adding my own in a silver bowl and bam Cainites got worm hair for a margin depending on success contested.
I CAST THUMBS UP!
One of these days, ima just go on vacation to find somebody to play a game of Pathfinder with
While there are many elements of the 5th edition lore setting that I am torn on, although I do think that the Second Inquisition was a necessary addition as a whole as the Masquerade had kind of lost its point before that, how vulnerable the Tremeres had inadvertently made themselves will never stop being hilarious to me.
Yeah 5e has its ups and downs lore wise. Like off the top of my head I'm not a fan of its changes to Ghenna and some of the effects that has had. But on the other hand, the clean up for Clans like Ravnos and Malkavian is real nice. And then the Second Inquisition really forcing the Masquerade to come back much harsher was needed. In reading some older stuff it did feel like Kindred could coast a bit in the 90s. I've seen some complaints but I do really like the idea it brings of forcing the Kindred to reexamine how to stay hidden in a world that is QUICKLY outpacing them at an unprecedented pace.
@@glueboy It wasn't just coasting a bit. They had literal vampire wars happening on streets that didn't matter that much because the vampires controlled the law enforcement, media and politicians.
From another perspective, I do think that the change in the system reflects an interesting shift in how vampire stories are viewed in current mainstream culture. In the 90s, that was still the era of the Anne Rice and Bram Stoker's Dracula inspired vampire stories where it was more about this gothic mood and courtly intrigue by beings defined by their immortality. While now for a story to work, there needs to be a much more concrete idea of how do vampires work in the current age with the everything changing so fast. Like a more concrete sense of belonging to this world is demanded than when the game first came out.
Then toss in the Sabbat being well... the Sabbat lmao. Vampires just were everywhere. Wasnt much of a secret world. Yeah I prefer the newer tone a lot more. Which is pretty similar with what you said about being torn on it. The big wild stuff is fun and I miss some of the actual rules of older VtM. Vampire politics is fun and those points of inspiration are real cool, as a heavy roleplay style player though? I want more personal horror. Which is the 5e idea in a nutshell. Makes me way prefer the vibes of 5e VtM even though there are some great lore details we lost in the jump.
"Wizards are nerds you can easily punch!"
- Big D
He speaks such wisdom
I like clan Tremere too. I like the way they love knowledge.
Ah, I didnt know that you needed a soul to use your avatar and bend reality. I knew of the deal and becoming a vampire looses your Avatar but I didnt know why. So, who is this Salout guy? Like, he sounds prety interesting.
Basically just the Antedeluvian for the Selubri. The part that I'm saving is theres some lore details that hes one of the handful of Vampires to find harmony with their beast. Or in game terms, reach humanity 10. This is also debated/possibly retconned lol. Some 1st, to 2nd, to 3rd edition shenanigans from what I was seeing on the wiki. I'm gonna have to go pdf hunting for that video.
I’m honestly not sure how that works. Cuz like, in the lore, Lilith was likely a mage, and yet when she became a vampire, she was both a mage and a vampire.
It probably exists mainly for gameplay reasons since giving the ability to hybridize two vastly different game lines is just begging for power gamers.
Are you thinking of doing videos for each of the clans? I love the way that you talk about them.
I plan to! Its gonna be slow cause I cover other games too. But the next one on my list is Clan Gangrel.
@8:45 When did Alec Cross say the Salubri could come to Seattle? I can't find that info anywhere online!
The Tremere not Salubri. Found the claim through the wiki, but the Tremere were banned from Seattle for a good bit. Which isnt rare. Since despite being so prominent, everyone hates them. Alec Cross undid this when he took over. While that part isn't explicitly stated yet, the presence of Tremere in Seattle for Bloodlines 2 says it does.
@@glueboy I see, that makes much more sense thank you for clarifying!
Every game needs wizards so that everybody can hate on wizards
A take so true even my Pathfinder 2e Wizard character agrees lmao
Is there any clan that isn't one of Glueboy's favourite clans?
Just the ones I haven't covered yet lol. Honestly I think my least fav is like the Toreador? And thats like a C tier hate not even an active dislike.
Unpopular Opinion but I like V5's focus on Rituals for Tremere, Paths felt wayyy to DND-like and compared to other disciplines Thaumaturgy paths felt wayyy out of tone, shooting fireballs, controlling weather you can certainly have games like that but it feels so much more super-hero like, when I played V20 I always preferred the rituals to the actual Emperor Palpatine lightning.
I know a lot of people hate the focus on Rituals and more "Witchcraft-like magic" over "Fantasy Wizard Vampires" but I seriously don't get it, I feel like the Tremere work best as deceivers using Hermeticism and Witchcraft to create magic effects.
I get what you mean. I think thematically it makes sense. Its just the constant push and pull over themes and removing character options. Which even at the best of reasons, does just feel bad.
Tremere did nothing wrong.
Looking at the results I can't disagree. Clan Tremere are the top 3 of the Camarilla. The choices they made to get there though? I would still call a serious of "failing upward."
As deserved for these amazing vampire wizards.