Forget FLEX - Shaft weight is KING!
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Wow. In all my years of buying clubs I never once heard any club fitter tell me this but it makes perfect sense. very well done sir. Very well done.
Thanks for watching A1sauce
Not sure why I haven’t seen this video before ,,, It has irritated me that fitters check what shaft you are playing with and recommend something similar. One fitter said def light graphite and I was making 3 inch divots behind the ball. Sold the clubs in 2 weeks. Lately, went for a fitting and told the fitter let’s star heavy and work down - eureka 120gms. Superb tempo and getting great ball descent.
Yes. The difference can be drastic. Added 25 yards to my 8 iron carry distance. Heavier shaft and heavier swing weight. Interestingly with driver I use a light very stiff flex with a heavy swing weight.
@@nicholasdemetriades9154I had some silly strong loft clubs regular stiffness with 80 grams. Changed to Titleist blades 3-4 degree weaker lofts with 130 gram shafts. Hit the ball even further with the weaker lofts and a proper shaft
It’s not just swing weight by itself. It’s swing weight, puring, cpm/fm. All equally important when it comes to club fitting
Super video Simon, wonderful insight!! Keep them coming guys!
This definitely gives me incentive to want to get fitted properly, not just for weight, but length as well. Thank you!!
Hi Eric. You’re very welcome. 👍🏻
Absolutely the best explanation I have seen of this. I have seen another more recent demonstration of the same issue by a well respected fitter using three driver shafts with the same weight but different flexes (X, S and R/S) and three shafts with different weights (50, 60 and 70) but the same stiff flex. They also put top priority on weight rather than flex. But the test focused on launch monitor data plus the location of the strike on the face. They discussed how it felt, and the tester mentioned how he felt the differences affected his backswing, and also the dispersion. But they did not deal with or explain the key biomechanics point that Simon makes so clear and simple of being able to simply move the club around him in balance, without having to make more or less effort or hand adjustments, Kudos and thanks.
Absolute pleasure and glad you are still enjoying the content!
This has to be one of the best videos Ive ever watched and have explained. Ive been doing a ton of shaft research lately because I am buying direct to consumer club heads soon.
Thanks so much Shane. Glad you enjoyed it.
Great video, excellent presentation, and I 100% agree that shaft weight is so often overlooked whilst the focus is on rigidity of flex.
Thanks so much for your kind words Andrew and also for watching our content.
I must confess, this is new news to me. All these years, I've been focusing on shaft flex... Thanks for posting & educating us.
Glad to help and thanks for watching
This is an eye opener- never seen such a good explanation of the impact of shaft weight. You’ve gained a new subscriber!
Welcome aboard!
Terrific demonstration and very well presented. Thank you.
Thank you Tony, thanks for watching
Quality content as always, thanks for sharing
Thank you Alista
A brilliant explanation and very well delivered. Excellent stuff.
Thank you kindly!
Fantastic video. Right to the point, nothing but facts that are clear and concise and are extremely important to a normal golfer. Thank you so much for helping and sharing your experience/knowledge.
Genuinely appreciate that Jim, thank you 👍🏻
I got a shaft fitting last summer and then got some really good lessons that made me see the correct way to swing the club. I realize this was backwards to what I shoud have done but thats the way it turned out. I bought new irons which were different than what was recommended which we never even tested. But I feel the recommended clubs and shaft would have been no better with my new golf swing. So this spring when I can finally hit off some turf will be very interesting to see my ball flight. May have to get refitted. BTW the new irons are Mizuno 923 hm with 64 gram f3 recoil shafts.
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Fabulous video, Simon. Best to James.
Thanks Tim!
Excellent video. Over the last few years (with the benefit of fitting from Precision), my iron shafts have got heavier and my driver shaft slightly lighter!
We love helping you with your game Justin. Roll on 2023!
Thank you for an excellent vid and I 110% agree with your statement that "shaft weight is KING".
I realised years ago that I have a weight "sweet spot" that works with my swing mechanics that allows me to deliver a square clubface. Anything heavier or lighter throws off my timing and screws up my clubface delivery. As Ian Fraser of TXG puts it "the shaft is a timing device".
But there can be another factor at work here and that is our reaction to what a "Fitter tells us" about a particular shaft or club. I am VERY autosuggestive and I will react to what the fitter says about a shaft/club. So I prefer a Fitting where the fitter doesn't influence me and doesn't tell me anything about what I am being handed and just lets me react to what I feel
That way my brain reacts purely to how the shaft feels rather than what I have been told that it should feel.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Ian and Simon are very aligned with their views on shafts.
Great that you know how you react to things and critical for a fitter to know this info at the start so they can tailor the indignation provided to get the best results for you from the session
@@Precision_Golf 👍👍
Thank you for this video! I really like your wording where you talk about you overpowering the club cuz that's exactly what I feel with my current clubs. That is a great way to think of it in terms of even trying to fit myself which I will go to a professional fitter as well but even just understanding when I'm overpowering a club versus if it's overpowering me. Great concept thank you
Really glad it was useful and thanks for watching!
Excellent video Simon - soon very soon I must come for that long awaited fitting - keep them coming - ideally GRIP SIZE and impact video soon - best alan
Good one Al, consider it on list of things to film. See you soon. James
Brilliantly explained. Thanks
You’re welcome Clinton
I really appreciate this technical and logical explanation.
Thank you!
Amazing! Thank you.
Our pleasure Smith!
This video is absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much. I am playing regular 85g steel irons for 3 years now and i finally understand why all my balls tend to go left (and very high).
Thanks for letting us know, glad it helped you figure stuff out. If we can be of further help just stay. James
Great explanation and thank you. Now I know why my lighter weight shaft mizuno blades would always go left no matter what I did. Back to DGSs300 and all was back to normal
Glad you got back to a shaft that works!
Enlightening. Thankyou.
1st thing, I'm in my 70's age wise. I have a 60 gram senior shaft in my driver and swing hard up on the ball and nail it. In my 3 wood I have a 45 gram senior shaft, and on the down swing speed scale of 1-10, I swing seven in speed and nail it. Swinging up hard on a ball teed up with a 45 gram senior shaft in the driver is a nightmare, I need more weight in the driver shaft. Swinging down on a ball on the ground with a lighter weight shafted fairway wood with more of a controlled swing really works for me. I see your point perfectly, spot on. Great video.
Many thanks!
OMG. I got fitted for new irons a few months ago and went from 115g (stiff) shaft to 95g (reg) shaft per the recommendation from the fitter. Immediately I was missing LEFT and just couldn't find any consistency! Thought it was due to the flex and went back to my old clubs and immediately started hitting better. This video is literally that "aha!" moment. THANK YOU!!
Glad to be of service!
This is why I am afraid to go to a fitter. IF the person is not knowledgeable it's very difficult for the buyer/golfer. One time I went to buy & get fitted for irons and I was also hitting all left. The guy had no clue what he was doing. He just kept changing different clubs/shafts. At the end, I had to return the mizunos I bought with his recommended shaft and I didn't play well with those at all, and ended up buying p790s off the shelf and I am hitting em great.
Very insightful! THANKS!
Glad it was helpful!
Wow - this was a very good explanation, clearly highlighting the importance and impact of shaft weight. Really an eye-opener for me. 🧐
It does actually fit quite well with my experience being fit for new Mizuno irons a couple of months ago. I used to play Callaway Apex 14 with graphite Recoil 660 F3 shafts, and got fit to steel KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff 110! That is going from a 71g regular shaft to a 110g stiff!! 😮
The Mizuno shaft fitting device had that as one of the top 5 shafts for my swing - the existig shaft I had was almost at the bottom at 0,8/5 rating! Going into the fitting, I actually thought, that I had to have an even lighter shaft, possibly graphite senior flex (I'm 55 years old). I was initially very sceptical about the shafts presented to me, but the results were indisputable.
With the new Irons, I litterally hit the mid irons 15-18 meters longer (7i 130-133 vs 145-150ish carry) among many other good things, like feeling of control, accuracy, ability to just put a smooth unforced swing to the ball etc.
Getting back to your video here - I beleive the difference made was from changing a 71g 🪶shaft to a 110g 🏋♀. Thanks to your video here, now I finally understand why it actually helped my swing. Thank you! 🙏
So glad we could help clear up why you saw such a good difference and great to hear your experience. The hard bit for you must have been getting used to the new yardages!!
@@Precision_Golf Thanks for the reply 😃It certainly was a big change to take in so far, but being winter here in Denmark, it has been confined to the 1-2 rounds per week in our brilliant local indoor Trackman center (but I did carry past a few greens in the start - luckily the balls doesn't get lost indoors 😂).
However, playing the indoor Tracman is also how I have been able to very precicely see the differences in carry 🤓. Also put in extra training sessions there as well to adjust.
I will definitely need to completely reset my default iron choices when getting back outside - will be interesting to compare my Arccos numbers after the first 10 rounds. At least I have had the "indoor season" to partly adjust to my 'new' game 😅
Keep up your good content 👍
Interesting. I just bought some irons used for my brother and took them to the course to give them a try. My irons are Nippon 850 GH R (roughly 85 grams or so - maybe a bit less) and these new ones are TT Elevate 95 Stiff (95-ish grams). Same heads in both: PXG 0211 ST blades. I was expecting to need to muscle them a bit to square the face (my 7-iron speed is right around 78 mph), but they felt absolutely fine. In fact, my timing seemed better, especially with the longer irons.
Hmm... I switched from 130g steel to 89g graphite and I had it sorted out within a few days of swinging at home and I now much prefer the graphite. But to go from steel to graphite in a fitting would have been impossible. I do agree weight is more likely what's causing most of the issues in a fitting rather than flex though.
Interesting! Very well explained 👍
Thank you very much for the positive feedback!
This is so true. I’m not a great golfer. Only playing my second summer. But I got myself some t100’s with nice heavy extra stuff shafts which are supposed to be much harder to hit with, way less forgiving and yet I shaved off 10 swings on 9 holes my first time playing with them.
Theory is great but it is only theory! What works in practice is the most important thing and being a relatively new golfer does not mean a heavy and stable set up is wrong. Great improvement in scoring!
Great video 👍 really interesting 👍
What a brilliant video 👏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏻
Great Vid... Great explanation!
Thanks so much. Glad you’re enjoying the content.
Excellent video 👍
Thank you Eugene
. I just watched a long video of a driver fitting for a middle aged bloke 12 handicap. Removing the weight off the driver head had significant improvements in club speed and distance hit. Same shaft .
Absolutely, it can work for some players and not for others so always test before changing your gamer club!
Thanks!
Thank you so much Nicholas, really appreciate it
Good job! Can your next vid go in depth as to where the weight should be on the shaft? Example Tip, mid, or handle
We will endeavour to do this!
Very very informative great video...
Thanks Phillip 👍🏻
Very interesting thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi all your videos are explained with excellent clarity- could you please post a practical case study that you fitted for your clients , asking this as the information or feedback the candidate might have provided while experimenting with different shaft weights etc could be helpful, since in this video the comments and feedback are your very own and you already know what shaft you are used too ,might unconsciously swing with a slight variation knowing that the shafts are changed- cheers
We’ll certainly look at trying to do this. Thanks for the suggestion
Great video. The so called ‘experts’ at my local Golf Shop were telling me to focus on flex, but I kept insisting that shaft weight effected my shots much more. Needless to say, I didn’t buy from them.
Thanks for your comment. Clubfitting is a “professional” profession taking years for experience to be proficient. Sadly that’s advice from someone who doesn’t understand the first principles of club fitting.
makes sense. I went from a 115g steel to 95g graphite in my irons and it helped quite a bit as I'm getting older. Much better control w/the lighter shaft. In the past, a heavier shaft was better.
I think we’ve all been through the play as heavy as possible and as you’ve found more recently lighter is now more enjoyable. Thanks for watching.
wow Thats very interesting. Its always been focus on flex = very informative !!
Thanks for watching Kentg1864, yes weight is often that last thing people this of but obviously so key
Yes, thank you. Very enlightening, all your videos. You have opened my eyes to how poor my last two fittings (Irons/driver) really were. Big Box store with fancy bays just pushing equipment. Sad thing is you pay for these bad fittings in $$ and ill fitting equipment.
Very true, but hope we can help get you on the right path. Glad you enjoyed the video
This helps alot, playing a reg 95g shaft. Believe I do probably need a stiffer shaft as my SS is a bit high for Regs. I thought it was all purely Stiffness related becuz I hit large draws and hooks and its rather rare for me to get it square and hit a nice straight shot. Sometimes toe strikes are only way a can not go left.
Once you dial into the physics of what is actually happening and what can really influence shot shape it tends to make sense. It could be balance point and/or weight as well as swing path
This all makes sense. I had steel shafted irons but felt they were too heavy and got tired during the round. (Age 72). So I switched to graphite. Now I know why I miss left. I can't feel the head and my timing is way off. I was fitted but they are not always right.
It could be a case of needing a heavier swingweight too so try adding 2 grams or so of lead tape to the heads to see if that helps
Concise , informative and well presented 👍.
I counter balance my putter , my wedges are the same s/w as my irons which are reg r300’s but i also game a 5i tmb which is an s300 . I have for some time felt more connected with this club , it gaps well in my bag and i dont hit the standard ap2 any shorter or longer but i can hook the ap2 5 i, ive often wondered if its the weight difference hence this visit .
Im going to investigate further 👍
Thank you - glad you liked it and I hope it helps with your game too
Weight and swing weight is king, I usually swing around 113-120 something with my play driver and fitter assume I swing fast, so he gave me an X-Stiff flex and I absolutely hate the feel of the club and shaft, it's simply doesn't feel good or confidence building to me.
Stiff tip with huge heavy head makes me have a hard time closing and squaring the face.
I have smoother deliver but fast swing not the type that load the shaft in a traditional way.
I'm so used to do well with Stiff or even Regular flex shaft so I knew there are more to this than just gave a fast swinger a high kick X stiff shaft have a feel of swinging a metal pole.
So many fitters do not put in the customer's feel, preference and feedback, they can get too obsessed in the numbers and performance on paper and screen that if the club feels garbage or make you feel tired after testing them a short time then it's not the right combination.
You are absolutely spot on - you have to take into account HOW someone generates their speed and what feel they like and then you can tune it all together. The bad old ways of high speed needing a heavy x-stiff shaft should be behind us but sadly many fitters still go down this route.
Excellent! Learned something new, getting fitted in a couple weeks this info will be useful.. why does it seem like all the really good golf instructions and technical information is coming from UK, Europe guys?
I’ve got a great idea. Family holiday to London and a day trip to the suburbs to see us 👍🏻😂
Good stuff! How about increasing shaft weight vs increasing head weight? I had an iron fitting elsewhere and in that I prefered swinging a heavier shaft (as the stock head weight was all that was offered), but wonder if a lighter shafter together with some lead on the head may have benefits
Both have merits depending on the player - some players benefit from having extra shaft weight to drive against in transition, others benefit from a heavier head on a lighter shaft. The more aggressive the move in principle the heavier shaft will be better, the head weight is more about helping to time the strike/hand action.
This all fits with my experience(tinkering)😊
Tinkering too much Andy can also affect your eye sight! 😂 thank you for following.
Do you intend to do a video for Simon"s WITB ? Great vid as always,
We certainly can do Ian! Maybe we can add this to the topic of conversation this Friday live at 12pm?
Brilliant video! Thank you very much. I just found you yesterday, and love your explanations. Seems to me that this, along with proper grip size, is indeed very important. I live in Canada and unfortunately, cannot come to see you. I have a set of Ben Hogan Apex F.T.X (3-SW irons with Apex 3 shafts) that I just acquired and would like to set them up correctly for me as I am committed to using them. Can you suggest how I would go about this (there is a well-regarded fitter nearby)? I hit the E wedge 135, and the 7 iron 160-170 (standard grips still) and I like the Golf Pride midsize MCC PLUS 4 grips on my other irons. Kind regards, Kevin
Hi Kevin.
Thank you so much for your kind words. Glad you enjoyed the video. The only people we can vouch to fit the way we fit in North America/Canada are the guys at CoolClubs.
Understood, thank you for your reply.
I sometimes FEEL like with a heavier shaft, i attack the ball a little more from the inside. Ive tried the dynamic gold x100, and tried the 120g version x100....with the normal version more of a draw is present, and having seen this video, it makes sense as to why
That certainly would make sense James.
My current clubs are mostly cheap and lighter in weight...,$500 for the whole set when I bought them about a dozen years ago. I finally started using them a lot this year. I clearly notice the difference in weight between those irons....and new Cleveland wedges I recently bought. Once I can afford new irons, I'm sure I will see a nice difference. In the meantime, they're good clubs to learn the game with.
Absolutely and thank you for watching!
Great video! I currently play HZRDUS 60g stiff - my SS is between 96-103. Watched a few videos on alternatives to AutoFlex, where they are using 40-45g and senior flex shafts. Surprisingly the results are 10 to even 20 yard gains, at a FRACTION of the price of AutoFlex.
I'm now considering doing the same. Going from 60g to 40g, I am afraid I'll be spraying it all over the place and not have that control. I'm tempted to buy a cheap shaft just to test it out. :)
It is definitely not a guaranteed gain without pitfalls so unless you can get somewhere to test them definitively go less dear to try it out!
@@Precision_Golf Would going to the heavier weight lose swing speed, in turn lose distance?
@@Unplugged704 not necessary. Sometimes more weight actually adds speed as it gives you something to “hit against” and allows you to build more speed but the only way of knowing for certain is dynamically testing different shafts
Just bought some extra weights for my driver and a +10 gram shaft for this reason. I've gained some strength and speed in training and it seems more left misses as well, unfortunately. We'll see how it goes.
With overlength clubs the swingeight goes up which compensates for the lighter shaft. The longer length makes the club swing heavier than it would at standard length.
Don’t mistake swingweight and deadweight being interchangeable - a heavy swingweight on an over length but light shaft can be very detached as it exaggerates the feel of the head so will not compensate for a light shaft
I think this Is totally correct as soon as I get a shaft that’s to light my swing feels all over the place .
If I go from regular to stiff with the same weight there is very little difference.
Absolutely spot on - thank you for watching!
Now I can understand why my iron club face closes too much when I attempt to generate more speed through impact.
Glad it’s helped!
I am 6ft build, quite athletic and i am using a KBS shaft 102g in my irons and I do tend to pull shots like you displayed with the lighter shaft. This is interesting ! I am in need of heavier shafts potentially as i struggle to control with my club head speed being 95+
Sounds likely, however it could also be balance point as the KBS shafts are not overly tip balanced. If you can get somewhere to test out the options then you will be able to dial in to the best option
I went from KBS Tour 130x to c taper lite 115 and wow was that a weird feeling. Started missing everything left. I thought I was going to get more ball speed, lower flight, less spin but it seemed to be the opposite for me. Will be switching back to my tours.
The theory of how the shaft is designed is great but in practice if it does not swing correctly for you the control and consistency just disappears as you found. Hope you get switched back soon!
Great video, really enlightening. So are we to understand that all shafts should be consistent weight from driver to wedge?
No, they will generally need to increase in weight as you move down the bag and as club lengths shorten
I discovered this first hand. I randomly bought some Mavrik irons with 95 gram steel (and loved them). Like an idiot I had some 85 gram graphites loaded up and I could barely hit the ball. Thankfully I only reshafted 2 of my clubs, one of which was the same head from a demo club, the other sadly was my original 8 iron. I was luckily able to find the same club with the same shaft and I am back to striking it well.
If you have some irons you can hit well, do not switch them out if you are a mid to high handicap, absolutely not worth it if you are striking them well.
Sadly it is normally the case that we find out the hard way! Glad you could rectify it
This probably explains why I tend to miss my irons left and my woods and driver right. My irons shafts are AMT reds.
Hope it’s helped a bit 🤞🏼👍🏼
Brilliant video. THANK YOU!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Precision_Golf Very very informative and great data!!
Gentlemen, we need to send this fine display of knowledge to our golfing buddies. This video needs a million views!
1 million views, and we shall buy the drinks!😄We really appreciate your comment, thanks for watching. Check out the latest LIVE fitting we did today, Simon fitting himself for his first new driver in 7 years 👍🏻
very informative, thanks for sharing your knowledge
Glad you enjoyed it
I guess it is dependent on the individual. I had some 105 gram shafts in irons and I had an inkling that they weren't a perfect fit. Put 120's in and immediately I knew they were keepers. Same with driver shaft. 50g too light and 70 perfect for me. Great video.
Thanks Wayne. Absolutely it is dependent on the individual and how they swing and move as to what suits best. Glad you found your set up!
Interesting I ran into this video. With the newer drivers they are coming with very light shafts. My Ping G400 has a stock 55 gram shaft stiff. Everything goes left I just can’t feel the shaft weight.😮My pryer driver The Ping G400 had an after market 65 gram shaft. I hit it so much more consistent.
I am going to try a heavier shaft first before I go from Stiff to and R flex.
Hi Pedro. Many thanks for your message and sharing your experience. We hope it works out for you.
Excellent discussion! By the way, what connector fitting system are you using? Is it All Fit? Thank you.
Thanks Don. We are currently using Club Connex
Very informative Simon is it the same for a driver?
Hi Nicolas. Is desperately important for every club in the bag, even the putter but especially the Driver. Overlook shaft weight and you might as well walk away from the fitter there and then.
Simon, quick question. I have a Cobra Radspeed 5-wood with the stock shaft (55-gm; R-flex) and that club is “money”. I never worry about it going left/right, if it does it is “operator-error”. I know that you can’t fit me into the correct weight, however, could you recommend a good starting weight shaft to evaluate as I go into a fitting for a new set of irons, BallPark to begin would be fabulous. Thanks for a great video
Hi Carl. Likely weight window will be 70g - 90g but graphite at the lower end and possibly steel at the higher end.
Love how you set up the iron to the ball 😂😂
Not orthodox but also not something that was conscious either!
Wow , the differences displayed by Simon were staggering , I never knew how important shaft weight was
It’s number 1 👍🏻
Great explanation. I am seeing recorded in slowmo shaft droop with TT mid 100. When the shaft in parallel to the ground before hitting and the ball goes to the right. Can it also impact club head speed?
It will affect timing so in most cases it will have some effect on club speed
Hi Simon. Is it possible to add weight to a light shaft or can you only add swing weight via lead tape to the club head?
Hi Mike. The increase in shaft weight needs to be throughout the length of the shaft. By adding weight to the bottom end of the club could end up resulting in too much head mass. Therefore, in answer to your question if the shaft is fundamentally to light, then sadly there’s not really much you can do.
very nice test on different in weight I was fitted for MMT105s (105g) but can only foind 105TX (113g)in stock, so I bought 105tx and works fine with it. After your video, I am start to wonder if I should change my gripp weight to 10g less to offset the heavier weight in shaft. Any thoughts?
Definitely do not compensate with grip weight as you will just make the swingweight heavier by doing so - 10g grip change will be a good 2 swingweight point change so each part of the club (head, shaft and grip) must be treated individually when assessing the weight and balance of the club rather than as a collective.
Great video. I have a question. When you say weight of the shaft are say swing weight of the entire club (swing weight) or weight of the shaft? For instance, if I have a shaft that is 2 inches shorter it would play stiffer but the shaft itself would weight less just because there’s less material.
This is the base weight of the shaft. By shortening the shaft 2 inches if off the butt end then flex will not change much but swingweight will drop by 10 points or more and shaft weight would only go down 5g of so. The shaft would feel stiffer due to the swingweight dropping and getting less feel for the head. Getting it right for a player is a case of using the dead weight to keep the body and coin moving together and the swingweight to time the release.
Do you have another video discussing the balance point of the shafts? Because when you refer to going lighter and heavier are you just specifically referring to overall weight? Because I'm assuming once you change the shaft weight that would significantly affect the swing weight correct? So in other words when you were swinging the 95 Grand one and it was sort of flipping and you were saying there's not enough wait to keep the timing correct aren't there several ways you can do that? I'm just trying to understand if someone has a high balance point or low balance point in the shaft and then the overall weight and that combination depending how the person wants to feel the club. Do you have another video describing that dynamic?
Hi Jacob and sorry for the delayed reply. We will be doing another video on the subject soon - a 10g shaft weight change does alter swingweight by roughly 1 point.
In this video I am talking about total weight change rather than swingweight specifically and that this rather than flex has the largest impact on your swing. Swingweight will affect how under control the club face is through impact and how consistent it can be but correct total weight determines general synchronisation between the player and club through the swing.
My new irons are stiff, and I’m getting a lot of shots going right. However, on certain days they may go left. And I think my swing does change. After learning about weight, is the tempo or strength of how you handle weight what matters? And getting used to one , adapting to the club is not a good thing? It seems to get more complex the more I think about it. But I’ve only been into golf for a year and could take a few more years for it to really take any notice of its effect
Hi Kevin. How you move the weight and how it synchronises with your movement patterns is the real key - the two should compliment one another and whilst swing technique will dictate shot patterns the consistency of these and the consistency of strike is aided by the club. If you are having to change your swing to find timing and solid contact then there are likely to be elements of the fitting that have not gone to plan and best to get checked out
I've known for a long time the 85 gram shafts in my irons are holding my game back. Can not wait for a fitting next year ⛳️☄️🏌️♂️ Probs be scratch by May 😂😂😂
Look forward to seeing you next year Scott.
I was hitting graphite recoils and went in for a quick fitting and got put in 120g project x ls. big change
I play xstiff or txstiff In irons but prefer lighter driver shaft. It is not about shaft weight it is more about preference and kick/bend profiles…
Glad you have found what works for you. Thanks for watching.
My fitter used some ping device attached to the shaft. What are those like? Thanks for the interesting video
They provide a base line reading from the shaft as a start point but cannot determine whether a shaft swings “in synch” for you or not so it will always require dynamic testing of different shaft options to see what works best.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I swing my driver at 98mph so fit between reg and stiff however I agree that weight has a bigger effect on flight. I like 60g but do play a 70g for lower flight in windy dry conditions. I tried a 50g but balloons in driver. The heavier weight is more stable for straighter shots.
It’s definitely a balance that an experienced fitter will find. The optimal weight window really is only a few grams.
@@Precision_Golf Definitely requires some trial and error and Ive found in driver that different shafts suit different heads regardless of weight. I do prefer a CB shaft too.
I have 50g in my fairway woods for more height and 120g in my irons for control.
Cheers from Oz..
I tend to hit the ball left to right with the 55 gram and get almost zero roll on my drives. I like the light weight but wonder if the 65 or 70 will help hit lower and get roll?
Great vid, full of interesting content. I just found this out after trying light shafts, ie, 105 gram shaft, balls were pulled left....Then tried 132g DG s400 Tour, balls went right. I think if i bent the heads 1 deg upright, that may fix the issue as the heavy shaft had better timing and power..
It will help a bit but there is 27g between the two. I would also try the DG 120 if you are able to as if the DG S400 are going right then they could be too heavy
@@Precision_Golf Thanks for your advice.. I wil try your recommended shaft weight.. cheers.
Nice video! I’m playing 125g and I think they are way too heavy for me my hips get stuck because I have to wait for the club to catch up so annoying
So happy we have made you appreciate it could be the weight of the shaft and not the flex; if you have any more questions please don’t hesitate to drop us a line! Happy New Year 🥳
So lets say you find the perfect weight, then how do you know what flex to use?
How does static weight influence things vs. swingweight? For example a lighter shaft with more head weight vs. Standard head with heavier shaft.
Static weight is general connection between you and the club, swingweight is balance point in the club and more about fade control through impact. How you move the club and develop speed dictates where you need the weight and how much time of it which in turn allows you to stay balanced in the swing and reduces compensation
Does swing speed make a difference? Or the strength of the player? Stronger does not always equal faster.
Strength invariably makes a difference and often reflected in swing speed after the fit; improved synergy of weight and golfer will make for more speed. 😊
This makes so much sense. I swing my irons about 100mph, and have DG105 stiff flex in them and I have the HARDEST time getting shallow and tend to pull shots. I have (relatively) heavier/ x flex shafts in my hybrids and driver and have by far the most confidence with those clubs in hand. Feels like I never miss with them (I do, but you know what I mean)
With speed like that you definitely need more weight. How much more will be a delicate balance but it’s worth going too heavy to know when you’ve gone too far to enable you to reign weight back in. Evaluate the shaft weight based on the first strike. 2nd and 3rd strike your body will normal find a way of trying to correct the strike which is obvs not what you want. Failing that, come and see us! :)
@@Precision_Golf great feedback, thanks a bunch!
I totally agree. Even with wedges. I bought a set of TM wedges but one was 105 gram and the other standard Tour issue which I always played. I couldn’t believe how I couldn’t get along with the lighter shaft in one. Great video presentation 👍🏻
Thanks all. Appreciate you watching and commenting. 👍🏻 James
I am also playing dg105 stiff flex and just got fit into modus 3 tour 125 t150's and I don't even want to hit my old set its so hard to time
Hmmm, so my progressive weighted AMT Black shafts could be the cause of my erratic dispersion throughout the iron set?
Almost all iron shafts progress weight through the set however the AMT do progress weight much more aggressively. Whilst the principle seems good in practice they can get too light in long irons or too heavy in short irons and that can make consistent timing hard to achieve through the set
Interesting topic, shaft weight! To prove your point you switched to a lighter and a heavier shaft weight with the same club head. But should you have remeasured the swing weight and adjust it accordingly to your original clubs' swing weight? So the feel of the club is the same during the swing.
When you change shaft weight a by-product is that swingweight changes too - just matching the swingweight would not have made them feel the same to swing and the purpose of the test was to show what solely changing that one parameter does. To match swingweight we would have had to change head weight so two parameters would have been altered, which would have then meant any performance change might not have been directly attributed to the change in shaft weight.
I was fitted for 110 gram steelfiber in irons...any idea what my fairway woods and hybrids should be...I play 6x velocore tr in driver. thnx
Hi Derek. Sadly completely guesswork. I play Steelfibre CW i110S in irons, Ventus Blue 5S in Driver, Devotion 7 HB in FWs and GD DI 85S in Hyb but you could need something completely different. It’s about speed/load/feel/flight preference, everyone is unique. James
bought 2nd hand set of irons with KBS stiff having tried one But i had tried 105g and bought 120g not thinking there could be to weights called stiff! Hit em straight low but short! At least ive now got something to blame! Im old but strong think i must muscle it through impact
It can be confusing!
I’m playing 130g iron shafts. Any suggestion for starting point for driver /fairway woods? I play 65 tx in driver and 75 tx in 3 wood. Thinking I could drop it into plane easier with an 80g shaft in driver.
Sadly I cannot give you a definite reply as it changes with every player. Top tour players play from 58g through 80g in Driver but depending on the player it could be very different. Sorry I cannot help remotely on this one!
I fitted myself in to set cobra forge tec irons. Using a 7 iron with s - taper 120 . 8 to 4 works . Yards Spot on . A little longer than my i210 I had but that's the loft. But 9 and even more so the wedge I am struggling with. They feel heavier and I struggle to feel the head and have lost distance with them. Is that normal in a set of forge tec iron to be heavier in the short irons.
There is definitely an imbalance here. Sadly it’s guess work without the ability to forensically analyse but it could be swingweight related
Might be true. But there's some self fulfilling prophecy in there. There's always some bias when you know what you're dealing with. Blind test needed. And also, people adapt, so my guess would be that you would do pretty good with a lighter shaft if you used it more.
For my two cents, bend profile is most critical. It has to bend enough to feel a slight kicking sensation, and that in a way that the club is delivered in the right angle. For driver, launch angle is critical, if too low, a low kick shaft might help (if you are not into buying a new head). And vice versa.
Overall swingweight determines, if you feel comfortable accelerating the club. You have to feel some weight "resistance", but not so much that your muscles can't keep up.
Beautiful swing, by the way.
Many thanks. You say people adapt and they will do so if they have to, however the idea of fitting is to not need to adapt to make the club work. Bend profile makes a small difference to launch and spin and certainly to feel which can help confidence in the club.
All elements have a relevance and influence the end result but the wrong weight and balance point will make the biggest difference to getting a consistent result.