FAILED TILE SHOWER LEAKING THROUGH CEILING!!! --- What did they Do Wrong???
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- This homeowner had water leaking through their ceiling and called a plumber to check it out. Upon inspection, the plumber found that the leaks were not coming from the plumbing pipes or drain. They cut a hole in the ceiling and determined it must be the tile shower pan that is leaking. The homeowners called me out to diagnose the leak and find out if if can be repaired. Check out the video and find out!
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You're not only an awesome teacher and CZcams content creator, you're a compassionate human being. Much love.
Fo sho!
We need more people like Isaac In the world.
I am not a contractor or installer, I am just a home owner, that is why I want to watch all your videos to understand how the shower is built so I will watch the contractors when they work on my bathroom.
You are a very kind person. Whoever, would be very lucky to have you work on their bathrooms.
Anyway, I wish the homeowner get better soon.
These are skills sets that can be gained by doing and learning. I too like learning from the pros
if your lawn guy tells you he can put some tile in, DONT LET HIM! THis is prime example.
You DO make a difference in this world; your whole team does!
The only question I have is the 15 dislikes. Are they the contractors that do this type of crap work?
Probably people who know that the “bugs” is microbial growth.
I’m thinking it’s like a “I want to see less of this.” As a suggestion that is.
they may click thinking they don't like what happened and think they are agreeing with him
I hope the Lady has a speedy recovery and that you give her a shower for her to find a place to rest and relax after her chemo therapy. I had a niece go through a Brain Aneurism and many operations on the brain brought on by a tumor and it changed her life drastically for her, her husband and their young children. She is doing well now but is always at risk. Since you are such as good hearted man, I will help you by supporting your channel and your website. Thank you Isaac for the work you do for others. The best in you endeavors where ever they may take you.
Another case of the original tile installer thinking, “ I have been doing them this way forever!”
And there’s so many of these too
That's amazing!! I wish everyone had a heart. Unfortunately they don't. Love all you work. Have learned alot and my contractor is starting to get annoyed with me, for the stuff that I have learned from watching your videos. God bless
Don’t fight the urge to help people. I know it’s a business and you have to not only keep the bills paid but make a profit. But it’s all good Karma man. Those good deeds can be such a blessing.
i'm not trying to pick a fight with you. but in my opinion, the universe does not care or keep score. the only way good deeds happen is when someone looks outside themselves and realizes they can help another who is suffering, whether it's with a resource, skill, or talent.
Love watching your videos. Learn a lot about titling from your videos. Thank you!
You are a kind-hearted soul, brother. Too few of you in the world right now. I will gladly help support you in your quest to deliver thoughtful, inspiring content, advice & tutorials.
You are so human and kind the way you describe the problem and talk about others.
You are an inspiration! A huge thank you to all the people in your life who have helped you be someone truly worth the obvious love and support you have received to be worth the success that you have rightfully obtained. I am so happy that I found your channel, and this video. Love you too!
In 2007 I remodeled my master bath, demo'ed the fiberglass 1 piece shower/tub. Laid down 3Mil PVC, 8" up the walls, filled with 2" of cement, and brought the backer board down to 1/2" off the base. Covered everything with RedGard, and thinset all porcelain tiles to the backer. No leaks yet! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
You just jinxed yourself. Check it in a year.
Watching yours and Sal's videos really make my day. Love the content. Thanks
You know I’m being trained how to do showers correctly by a great honest person like yourself. More power to you for your honesty I don’t get it why some of these people cut corners so much. Stay honest great video.
People like you make this world a better place.
It's nice to see a handyman with empathy.
You’re a good person…
Wow! I've been a waterproofing contractor for 30 years. You nailed bro, they absolutely should have had the backing all the way down. No voids! Just an FYI, you can use CIM to coat over that tar. It's a little tricky to work with but works great. One other thing, that black stuff on the drywall and base board could be Stachybotrys. It's toxic, that home owner with cancer shouldn't be in the house while you repair. You should be wearing a mask too. Good luck.
Mr.Steve D. My thoughts exactly. You hit the nail on the head. That black mold is very toxic. The sick lady should leave the house. Spot on advise.
Isaac is such an awesome dude, integrity by the bucket loads.
The world would be a much better place with more people like you in it.👍🏻😊
I wish I home owner well. Positive thoughts coming there way.
Your videos even help to inform seasoned tilers. Education is key to success.
I am listening to Isaac through my cordless earbuds, while I thinset my Kerdi Membrane in place😂
I for sure, put the blocking at the bottom of these shower walls. That is the specific reason why this old shower failed. No blocking to support those bottom tiles😮
What a nasty mess that was.😢
I am starting in the business, and your videos are incredible, there is no other person who explains and helps like you, I appreciate all your videos, it is like my school tile, thank you, continue to do what you do,
Great video Isacc. We don't much Hot mopping in oklahoma, but this video is very informative with diagnosing a leak in a shower! Appreciate all you do and the passion with this Art!
I’ll throw down for sure. Love the channel. You helped me with my confidence in my first full bathroom remodel.
Your a good man Isaac. Greetings from coeur d’ alene Idaho brother.
Thank you for your kind heart and for sharing it with us.
I'm going to have a shower done in a year or so and the education you have provided has been invaluable.
you want a LINER, with pre-slope under the liner. If your contracter doesnt know what that is, RUN AWAY .....
@@dustyflair my parents had a shower done and their contractor used some kind of dusty stuff to stick the tiles to the floor and you could pop them right off with your fingers. They weren't even using spacers and the grout lines were all wonky. No bullnosed tile edges either. Really lame!! I said - if he did this then what the heck do you think he did with the waterproofing underneath? He also sealed up pipes in the wall without doing a pressure test. The contractor hired a better tile guy to fix the tile but that was it. Shower hasn't been used yet (waiting on glass door install.) Fingers crossed and hope the contractor warrantees his work.
@@KMx108 tell them to block the drain off and fill it with water about 4" deep over night. Mark a line on the side where water is. Sould be the same height the neight day.
You have a great heart. Blessings Issac.
Man you're a darn softy (that's admirable).
finally someone that knows how to handle a grinder
Your a good man! Love your videos. Probably the most genuine tile guy in the world!
Such a nice chap
Great job, I’m not a pro in the sense that I’m not licensed but I do have great knowledge of home improvement, won’t get rich on what I charge😅, I’ve run into so many terrible jobs done and I’ve had to take care of problems. I do understand and admire your good heart in helping people. God bless you always. I will pick up some of your hats in support. 👍🏽🙏🙏
Keep up the good works my friend. I firmly believe that what goes around comes around. I ordered some merchandise to support you. Thank you
Love the channel, and like you said yourself, this is more than just a tile channel, it truly is an inspirational channel. Would love to support the channel even more, looking forward to more merch being available !
I bought a shirt awhile back man and just got it in plus the shirt you’re wearing in this video. I’m enjoying them brother, and you should keep doing what you’re doing it’s awesome.
You do very good work I’ve been watching you for several months you’ve helped me so much on my tile job in my new shower choosing the products making sure this is done right and that was done right I just wanted to thank you again
That’s really terrible wish people would do things right, I wish the homeowner all the best
WHAT A GREAT GUY AND SO INFORMATIVE! Appreciate the videos you make so I can understand what is going on with my tiled show and what I should look for when I have it redone.
Bro you have a great hart, wish you much luck, and hope the homeowner gets better very soon.
People before profit. You got a good thing going.
12:02 Man, that's some sad news.. Let your new clients know that we are pulling for the family!
First video of yours I've seen. Good, plain-spoken, useful advice from a decent guy who cares about his work. Subbed.
Next time you test for leaks in plumbing you want to isolate the plumbing in the wall from the shower pan. First thing I would do is plug the drain with a test ball and fill floor with water to top of curb. But water needs to come from another source other than the shower valve. To check the plumbing in the wall , cap all the out let's and charge the pipes by turning on the water at the valve.
This is why I don't trust the liquid applied membranes either. Settlement can also force those "membranes" to stretch beyond their capacity. I don't see that happening as easily with the fleece backed membranes. I am sure you can rip the fleece membranes but dollars to donuts a liquid membrane will rip with 10x less force.
Honestly I think both should be required. A fleece membrane with a liquid membrane applied over top. Isaac used to do it that way in his older videos, although I'm not sure if he is still doing that.
schluter shower systems are my favorite for any tile job especially custom showers, and if you attend their free class they pay for hotel stay and certify you if you complete the 3 day course, all of your work using their systems are backed for a lifetime free repairs.
Good work helping people!
As usual professional work .. like the way you explain
Great work and its always great to give back to those in need. !!
Got my shirt and sticker, that was fast!! Thank you for taking your time to write on the sticker. Stand up guy
You rock. Love watching and learning from you. I hope to someday be able to make my own custom shower.
Thanks for the video bro. Appreciate you continuing to drop knowledge. Keep on keepin on! 🤙
We bought a house last year here in Oahu and this same issue happened in our house. Upstairs shower was remodeled in 2014 and the waterproofing failed. Small tiles on the floor and larger tiles on the wall. I am not eevn sure where to start vut I just want to be confident that it will last much longer than this one did. Great video.
I just want to say that I have a better understanding of what happens behind the scenes when installing a tile shower. We had a water leak showing through our living room ceiling and put in a claim to have it investigated. It appears the incorrect membrane was applied to the bottom of the shower which over time leaked and caused water damage. It has been over a year since we had the shower torn apart and we are reluctant to have it repaired due to not trusting anyone to rebuild the shower correctly. We need more people like you to make homeowners feel good about the work that is being done to their home. If you have any recommendations for south of Boston I would love to hear from you. You are a good person and I wish there were more professional people like you in the business.
Call NS builders in boston
Damn, tile coach working out? Dude looking more chiseled. LoL
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks
I think the “hot mop” is a dying method why even bother using it anymore. It seems a real chore to heat up tar and carry it through someone’s house and go through all the trouble when there are other much easier and cleaner methods to use.
A lot cheaper to hit mop. It was a fix and flip so cheap and quick is the name of he game.
@@ohmsweethohm7259 yeah thanks for
That. If I fix and flip a house
Im sure as shit not going to skip
out on the shower pan. Anyone who does that has no place in the trades. But yeah…you right 👍
zero reason to use this. along with the stupid DensShield. that is the biggest trash product in the history of tile unless you really know what the hell you are doing.
Shower cut outs? Niches? For a floor?!?!?! just insane.
it is just plastic coated gypsum board. Not even close to water proof when cut and needs major protection on any cut. technically any cuts should be water proofed rolled. screw that. concrete board and 100% silicone with 100% water proofing will never fail.
You have a great channel, and you have a great sole.
I'm new to this so probably a dumb question, but how is water getting behind the tile in the first place? If the grout is sealed, I don't understand how a significant amount of water gets back there.
Grout and tile are not water proof. Sealer only lasts about 2-3 months. But on the floor every minuscule movement is a movement. Tile doesn’t flex. It all starts with a pop one morning. Then 4 years later your shower floor is softer and flakey than grandmas biscuits. So a good base foundation to absolutely zero movement. But then the wood behind walls swells and contracts a thousand times a year. So really I always suggest to budget a new shower floor every 15-20 years. Keeps everyone from stressing out.
As soon I saw hot mop through the trim board I knew it was done wrong. Then the hardy backer stopping short was not a surprise either
Mine was simple. The gasket behind the pull handle was leaking from splashing water. Little silicone fixed. Most plumbers wanted to cut the ceiling.
You're doing it man! Keep it up
Had a similar experience with the last contractors I had hired to remodel my parents bathroom shower. 2 years later after they finished I had noticed a similar leak. So I proceeded to do the demo myself and was appalled that no weatherproofing was not done. So I hired a professional tile guy and we did all the build back with red guard, hardi backerboard.new rubber pan , took 5 days and has never leaked for the last 6 years.
As a remodeling contractor I do lots of tile work including showers. First and biggest mistake is the wall tile was set first then the floor…big mistake the floor should be first unless it’s pebble or rock. Wall tile should be on top of the floor tile the water will shed off and not into the joint. Possibly avoiding leak. What is your opinion Tile Coach? We don’t use tar out here on the eqzrt coast so I’m not familiar with it
The hot mop companies I have used would have refused to proceed when there was no blocking. Left AND charged $150 for the visit and put the job at the bottom of the que once it was properly blocked. Sad that the technician went ahead and mopped this.
Thank you 👍
Great Vids! I learn a lot as DIY guy. I'm addicted to watching. You should have a show on HGTV or DIY channel!
Solid. Keep up the good work.
Go Isaac, you’re the best !! Thanks 🙏
Lovely House
I came back to comment on the shirt. If you want to help with this job, you won't just be doing the customer a favor. The shirt is really good quality and I don't know for how long, but I got 2 shirts. I donated just to help and was pleasantly surprised with the quality. These shirts will last.
Your amazing and I thank you for your honesty im learning so much from you.
I will have to redo my steam shower because my fired contractor did a bad job on my mom steam shower i wanted for her.
So my job will be to find a licensed tiled contractor that God willing will do a good job like you. Blessings 🙏🏼
C.R. I remodeled my steam shower about ten years ago. The contractors told me steam is a luxury item. They charge accordingly. I'm happy with my Mr. Steam unit. Expensive, but worth it. Best of luck to you.
@@tryan7 glad your happy. That’s the best feeling. As for me I know it was a luxury that’s why I thought they did charge accordingly, I did get a mr steam as well. That’s not the problem. The problem was they did not waterproof my shower correctly and I know because I asked why isn’t my ceiling tiled and the project manager answered “because it’s to expensive “ lol in my head I said well aren’t I the one that’s paying 🤦🏻♀️
But I didn’t say anything I just ask what material did you use in the ceiling that looks like drywall because it was just plain white and matted and it looked like drywall he said it’s green board I said that’s not waterproof he said no it’s water resistant I said exactly this is a steam shower it needed to be waterproofed accordingly, he’s like you’re going to be fine.
A year later the ceilings peeling now. So on my next sales commission I have to rip the whole bathroom out and have it redone with waterproof materials.
C.R. Greenboard should never be used in a steam bath/shower. It is not the proper material for steam. Kerri and detra are very expensive . They are both excellent at waterproofing. They must be installed properly. I know some people who use a double layer of tile in steam rooms.. I'm sorry for your troubles. You are one very smart Lady. Take your time and double check all references. Best of luck to you.
@@tryan7 thank you will do 🙏🏼
Buying a shirt now. I hope you get a kickback from your Truewerk code.
Awesome video . Keep making them
We're doing a new shower for a client who had ceiling water leak as well.
Extremely well constructed shower with mud float walls, hot mop AND vinyl liner.
But some donkey went and secured 1/4 wonderboard to the bench...right through the waterproofing, with no effort to repair the holes.
Almost 2 full sheets of subfloor to be replaced. Should've lasted 50 years, but kicked the bucket after 20 - it was doomed from the day it was built.
All it takes is one asshat sub contractor who has no training or clue. The teams should double check each other's work
Vinyl liner, never had a problem
Dude you are the man
your a good guy
Long time watcher (and subscriber) and I have a question - regarding shower pans: Does anyone other than Revolutionary Shower Systems allow one to order a custom size? I'm seriously considering this for my next shower remodel but would like to compare others that also do this, though I haven't found any yet. Also, what product would you use for waterproofing at this point? I've watched your evolution but am not sure what your fav is at this point : ) You do good work, with your work ethic and heart in the right place. It's nice to see.
That’s why I thought it was crazy when everyone was waiving home inspections 2021 on home purchases. 😂
You are awesome.
The 3 thumbs down are the guys who installed that.
Lol.
😂😂
The problem isn’t the hot mop or the hardy backer. The reason why is is leaking is because the first row of tile needed to go above the tile of the shower floor. This is the reason.
As a framer we would put 2X6 ,s on edge all the way around the walk in shower
I have done some major nice tile jobs now and had GCs come in during the waterproofing wondering what we are doing... sad really.
"we do tons of showers and never do this stuff"
oh.....
Another issue is that homeowners that are selling the house dont want to pay for other issues. They just cover it. Sometimes the only thing wrong the installer did is not adress other issues to the owner like frame damage. Water damage. Etc. And if he did... I have seen it many times. They still install with issues and you get a series of unfortunate events.
A lot tile setters don't dip the prep work, the contractor typically subs it out and will have his helpers install walls board.
However, the tile setter should have recognized that the boards don't go all the way down and there wasn't any seam tape our waterproofing membrane
What are you talking about no thunder coverage? Those bottom tiles seemed okay.
Great shirt, great video!!!!
Thank you for your instructional videos. They have really helped me out in tackling the task of building 3 complete showers after tearing out fiberglass originals. I was wondering if you are familiar with mapei CQ grout and what may be a good sealer to prevent staining. I'd love to with you images of our 1 of a kind showers.
You don't have any formal training? Just CZcams?
Thanks!
Thank you so much Dan
If someone starts a go fund me for this project, I’ll contribute.
Seriously, I felt the pain 💔..
Guys, the shirts are an awesome way to help. They are great quality and you're helping at the same time.
If Tile Coach says he wants us to help by buying merch, then we should buy merch. He will let us know what it takes to keep this movement going.
I am buying merchandise! He is a good man the cares.
@@terrylewis5786 still love my shirts. Awesome quality and I am very picky.
So sad that the previous guy didn't have the knowledge, or didn't care when he created the conditions to cause this failure.
What a bummer, that some blocking (and back when this was done, wood was “cheap”) could have prevented what will now be around “xx” for a remodel shower now.
If installers would just slow down and take a few extra minutes to make sure things “correct” before continuing, imo.
That is another BIG ISSUE. A nice shiny new bathroom when buying a house, imo, sends up FED FLAGS; b/c why and if have multiple bathrooms….why just 1 redone and not the rest; especially if not the master, or everyday bathroom/shower. If happen to see a shower/bathroom that is the guest or the bathroom in the downstairs room that no one uses and it’s been redone….I’d take a few and find out why before spending money on a house. That’s my opinion. Drywall cheaper to fix and if able to “inspect” the shower/bathroom before you buy and find issues; easier to knock down price of house so can use that money to fix the issues; then pay asking and find out have an issue down the road and be out “said money”.
The same things apply to outside or anywhere around a house…..if your buying and you see “new nice stuff etc….” Ask yourself WHY! and remember an inspector is not gonna open a shower floor/wall, and electrical conduit (and see if romex or THWN/THHN) being used; they just gonna look at common things and check those boxes so you’ll get approved.
Thx for vid Issac, and FYI, it’s hot and humid in FL…so make sure have some loose fitting summer clothes, & definitely stuff that if gets wet; not gonna be an issue as in rainy season😉 If already here in FL, hope trip going great and having a great time,
Cheers✌🏻
Sir, can you answer me the following question: I'm a novice and your'e the expert. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The way I see it, is that a leak emanating from a shower can be from one of 3 causes. Either you have a drip from the supply line, i.e a drip behind the wall. 2) the problem is in the drain, or 3) a problem with the grout where you have penetration. Is it correct then, that the following tests can determine which is it? after cutting a hole in the downstairs affected ceiling, you have someone observe for water when you first pour 3 gallons down the shower drain. if no water seen, then its not the drain. turn on shower, and let the water enter a bucket to assess if the supply line behind the wall is the culprit. If this test is also negative, then spray the shower head to all walls and observe for water coming down. will these tests work? thank you for your time.
This is horrible. I started doing things myself, because sadly here in my city those jobs are common. Just bad people cutting corners, or claiming to know something they don’t and you end up with a bigger mess and a bigger bill. Workers get so mad when I’m watching their work and bringing things up, they say to me “do I tell you how to do your job?” I tell them it’s my house and I’m paying for the job.