How to turbo a Starlet using the stock N/A ECU
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2020
- Nick has built himself a turbo starlet with a STOCK N/A ECU!! it runs great and it a quick little rocket, We had an interview with him today to ask all the questions on how he got it to run so good!
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Hey guys in case you missed the previous episodes of this car ill put the links below...
Building the exhaust manifold to suit Full size rad and a/c czcams.com/video/TKYBpphp2xA/video.html
TD05 high mount turbo install czcams.com/video/PP_oZJXD0qc/video.html
First test drive and 2 step noises czcams.com/video/_ODLATFej48/video.html
Hi, how much do you sell the manifold for?
@@aaronpitts2762 havent done any for commercial sales yet, but it would work out to be around $800 to $1000 I reckon. Much harder making it compact compared to your usual steam pipe manifold. Takes a lot longer.
Thanks Matt. What was the original manifold? Just wondering for a budget build. Most never mention the manifold or exhaust in the cost of the build.
@@aaronpitts2762 best buy for a budget build is ebay stainless manofolds. They are around 200 and only suit a half size radiator :)
@@aaronpitts2762 original manifold was a stock cast iron manifold with a ct9
Came up in notifications, had to watch straight away
If I would be in Australia I would definitely be hanging out with you guys. I got a 4EFE 1998 on my Corolla E11. I really want to do the turbo conversion but nobody here knows these engines like you guys do so I’ll probably buy a 4efte without gearbox and swap it. Less work and less problems for my mechanic.
Matt Berry is Australian mate, not English ;)
I’ve just obtained a 1.3sr 😍 this has me thinking
what we do here in denmark it to buy a piggyback like det3 or microsquirt or use a stock 4efte ecu, rest used like a ct9 with manifold and stuff, most people make 160-170hp safe for years. for no money at all pretty much :) the 4efe here have thicker rods after 97 so you can run 170-180 before pistons go
From what build date do they have stronger rods? I currently have a '97 ep91 and was thinking of turbo'ing it
198bhp here ✋
you can use t pieces like three of them in line with each other from the intake to the map pressure sensor to bleed some boost off and not have to run a fuel cut defender if you wanna go super budget
This has got to be my most recent CZcams channel find and one of my most favorites 😅 I just bought a a bone stock ep91 last year as a daily and I can't believe what you guys have done to yours, almost tempted to take my adaptronkc ecu and gtx2860rs off my 4agte and put them to use
great turbo for s 4efe!!
@@MattBerrymotorsport you seen one with a gtx2860? Mines a genuine Garrett and has custom .57 trim made by them as well
@@davidsyme568I have a gtx2867... a little big but the 2860 would be perfect
Solid mahi bro 👊🏽
this is so good. I have a corolla G6 with the 4EFE and am considering my options. This or ITB's of a GSXR1000 seem fun and cheap-ish
I want to do the same thing on my 5efe, my itb got 2 injectors per cilinder, and I'm kind of new to this, dou you have any info on how you can use both injectors the way they're made to be used?.
Greetings from Chile!!
Thanks for the Manifold and exhaust mate, couldn't be happier.
Why do you sound like Scotty from haltech now haha
@@ricardo9628 you ever seen us in the same room before? 😲
How did you wire up your fcd? About to turbo my 4efe
Cam Rogers its easy, there should be 4 wires, one is a 12v, one is a ground, one is the map sensor signal in, and one is map sensor signal out, i just split the map sensor wire near the ECU
Nick kamevaar so take it u just followed the map sensor wiring back?
Hi Matt, Im purchasing a CT9 set off a 4EFTE, which comes with the 4EFTE injectors, ecu, manifold and top mount intercooler to install onto my 5EFE. Can I just check what else do i need? Will the ECU suffice to tune?
Can't wait to send it on my starlet
real boss work
Beast!
Great video Matt.. shit hot!
How can I set up this Bee R rev limiter with the NA 5EFE engine using ignition coils as opposed to the distributor. Can I still grab a tac signal from one of the coils? Thanks
Whats the difference between 4ET and 4E crank? 4E is 9kg and 4ET is 10.5kg.
I actually pulled 4ET crank out of 1997 4EFE starlet. It has 4 EFE N/A pistons and thin rods.
The other 4EFE block has 4E crank with 4EFE N/A pistons and thicker rods.
I need another drive of this rig with a clutch that will handle the power 😂
Next week? 😂
Lets turn the boost up!
Can you tell me maybe little bit more in how fcd let you run boost??
would a super afc help for leaning it on idle ?
nowadays these are cheap , like 200$
How long did this engine last? Without a piggyback back ECU etc
Can you please help me I am not sure on how to hook up the FCD (fule cut defender)
What's better ct9 hybrid or td04? I can't decide
How to adjust fuel cut defender from turbosmart? I need info
Hi,nice setup..what rpm did u hit full boost with that turbo? How was spool?
Pretty laggy, around 4500. Don't buy a Chinese one like we did, search for a Japanese built one, works great on my other starlet.
What sort of range would be safe with the 4EFE's once boosted? I've got a td04 kit just waiting to buy a fmic and oil lines along a few more things, got a DET3 piggyback to tune it and just wanting to be safe with it without having to have clutch issues or engine issues early on, I keep hearing 120-130hp is more or less the limit for safe boost? Cheers, been watching you for a few years now keep up the work, not many channels that make so much content on starlets
stock 4efe? 150 hp
7000 rpm
@@MattBerrymotorsport Yes mate stock 4EFE, cheers for that mate, hopefully manage to get it all sorted by December, currently sanding the paint and rust down in my boot wheel well, my dad spilt an old battery literally just as the car got undersealed so now its rusting from inside out..lol, keep up the videos anyways mate! We speak about you a lot in my college course with our workshop lecturers
love you all mate, iam starlet guy and lover
Hey Matt, I know it’s a long time but from memory what settings on the fuel cut defender did you have the CLAMP and RELEASE dialed too? Cheers 🤙🏾
Hey mate, I found it was different for each car and each fcd, you’ll just need to play around with it
Hey, I’ve got a turbo Corolla 1.8l 7afe. Mines running super rich and fouling spark plugs very quickly. Running slightly bigger injectors with a pressure reg at 25psi. Did you guys run into the same issue of fouling spark plugs??
You want the pressure reg to be set at a minimum of 40psi... how much boost are you running? What turbo?
@@MattBerrymotorsport running 7psi of boost with 7mge Injectors (312cc) on a eBay no name turbo (mid size .63 compressor housing)
The only thing I can really think of is I have a turbo smart fuel cut defender (pneumatic type) hooked up to the map sensor. I’ve heard they can be a bit dodgy....
Was wondering what brand turbo this is and also can I put this set up on my 5 e engine in my paseo. It's a 1.5 liter 4 cylinder 5E
Its a max speeding rods td05 turbo.
Yes you can put it on a paseo :)
Ah man, I have a paseo and have planned on doing exactly this too lol...
Well I thought about it a long time ago actually but wasn't sure the stock ecu would be adaquate. But after watching this video, and learning from it, I plan on keeping the stock ecu now.
Is the Engine completely Stock? And the Software Too? What are exactly the modifications in the Project? Thanks :)
Stock engine
Stock ecu/software
Turbo, fcd, fuel pressure regulator, injectors and intercooler
I wanna see the 2 step! 😂
Link in the comments section 😀
Hey guys please reply to my comment, Do I really need new injectors and a tune to complete the turbo converision from a 4e to make it turbo on my ep91?
Nah we just made this whole video up.
That is so cool
I did see your other comment but didn't get to reply fast enough lol...
Ive got a build and parts list coming up. Will be In detail
Haha was trying to edit it and realised dinner was burning lol anyway yeah a list of all the shit you need to do a cheap build would b sick
Please help I have a White Toyota Starlet EP91 Manual With a Bolt On Nissan Silvia S14 T28 Turbo With Waste Gate & Screamer Downpipe with Ebay Manifold and Stock NA 4E-FE ECU.
It's got a Turbo Smart BOV & Fuel Cut Defender & Regulator.
My Problem is that my Toyota Starlet EP91 is running really rough like Rich too much fuel it's idling shaking and smoke come out of my Catless Straight Pipe Exhaust when I'm driving. ALSO 2 of the 4 of my Spark Plugs are wet and black so what should I do?😳😩.
Should I go get it Tuned & Change the Spark Plugs? Because I went there and they said they can't help me tune a Stock NA ECU Wtf?
"The OEM ECU is not accessible in either of those models - we don't have software that allows for remapping the OEM ECU. You might be able to fit a turbo model ECU if that's a route you wanted to go down, but it won't be tuneable any more than your existing one is"
It should still idle perfect on the stock ecu even without the FCD so long as you are still running the stock injectors. If you have bigger injectors that’s your problem…
If you still can’t figure it out take the fcd off as it should still run and drive perfect without boost. If it’s still a problem you have a fuel pressure issue
@@MattBerrymotorsport Thanks for the help Matt 🙏
Yes the Starlet EP91 is currently running on stock Injectors and stock fuel pump. It's currently not tuned at all everything is just bolted on but I heard somone saying that i should get it Tuned because he sat next to me and said your car seems to be struggling going above 80KM it' make a bbbburr burr sound and whoosh afterwards which I'm guessing is the wastegate opening up to relieve the pressure because no Bov on it currently.
Anyways I'm in Sydney Marrickville and talked to Tunehouse Shop Mechanic and this is what they said which is kinda BS:
"The factory ECU in that model isn't accessible for tuning using software only - you'll need to look at fitting an aftermarket engine management system and configure and tune that to suit. Typical costs vary depending on the brand and specification of ECU used, but full setup including all parts, sensors, labour, dyno time and tuning generally start around $3,500 and move up from there"
Hey Matt I want to turbo my 4EFE starlet also, which turbo do you recommend me I read a lot of people saying the TD04 turbo is a lot better than the standard ct9 turbo what's your opinion? I also saw your TD05 turbo on that starlet but I can't find an exhaust manifold for the TD05 so that's not an option i think.
Hi Jim its honestly horses for courses...Ct9 is a great entry level turbo, tdo4 is my all round favourite turbo for a street car. Td05 make a little more power but also a little laggier than the td04. Gtx2867 is even bigger, laggier but will make 400whp.
All depends what you want to do ...
@@MattBerrymotorsport thanks, I'm going for a simple and budget setup with the stock ECU, FCD, bigger injectors and a fuel pressure regulator like nick's starlet. I think i'm going for the TD04 as the ct9 is even expensive. Is it right that you need to relocate the oil filter? and how mucht boost is safe for a stock 4efe I think around 0.4bar?
@@jimmeeuwse3205 Nick was running 16 psi through the td05 on a stock 4efe. The key here to survival was the e85, any sort of detonation from unleaded fuel would break the rods very quickly.
Td04 is still safe on 14psi with high-octane pump unleaded fuel.
However that 16psi wasn't with a fuel cut defender, it was with a Tuntable microtech ecu...
With the FCD you can leave it on .6 bar it will be alright, keep an eye on the air fuel ratios and check the ignition timing
@@MattBerrymotorsport Thanks I'm afraid there are not a lot of pumps in my country where i can get E85 so i think i'm going to use some octane booster but i have no experience with that. When i'm using the standard gasoline euro 95 (E10) called in my country what will be the maximum boost to run then you think?
Thinking of turboing an 2E. Will TD04 work ?
Aren’t they a carby engine?
@@MattBerrymotorsport There are too versions, one is with carb yes! So, will it work ;
What is a fuel cut to fender? Am I understanding that right?
Fuel cut defender. Tricks the map sensor
@@MattBerrymotorsport Hey, thanks for the clarification on that. I wasn't sure and I haven't heard anything of the sorts before. I am actually running a stock 5EFE on my Toyota Paseo and was hoping to do almost exactly what y'all did here. Thanks!
The slipping clutch saved the engine
I think the factory timing curve isn't aggressive at all either... but yeah I expected it to Chernobyl too 😂
I remember fitting 7M-GE 350cc injectors early on and then upto 550cc 13B maroon colour injectors that fit stock rail for high boost.
Hello, just wanted to ask, do you have stock 4EFE internals?
For sale or in this engine ?
@@MattBerrymotorsport no, just wanted to know that when you installed the turbo you did it with the stick internals of the engine or did you changed them?, I want to install a turbo en my 4EFE engine as well, thank you!
In this video it’s stock internals. But now it’s fully built making over 500 at the wheels
Is the a 6th gen celica in the parking lot there???
Mr2
Ah very cool, I shall be turbocharging and tuning my 6th gen celica the same way this starlet was tuned
How about the most basic 2E series😂 can it be turbo'ed? Hahaha
This is what i run on my car n/a ecu with 4efte injectors 4efte map sensor and a 4efte intake
Do u need to run a fcd with the 4efte map sensor?
Same no fcd in mine, ct9 though, rough idle until warm
How can I reach you want some help with my project
Evil twin starlet on facebook
Is that Td05 a 20g???
yeah an ebay one though from china so it really could be anything haha i go have a real td05 20g and its quite smaller...
@@MattBerrymotorsport awesome! I knew I recognised it 😂 I have the same one here but wasn't sure it would even spool so this is good news 😂
@@Richardc9052 the genuine td05 actually spools a lot earlier than the Chinese ones... first of all I think this has a lot to do with the aftermarket ecu and being able to give the engine more ignition timing, whereas nicks starlet with the na ecu has a set ignition table, so God knows where it's at.
Still fun and hell though
Looks like a td05 small wheel 16g , a 20g would be laggy AF on such small displacement engine.
Its ain't stupid of it works. - Some old guy..
Those mantic stage 3 clutches are like $300 on ebag
Ebay
Nick actually has a mantic clutch, he just doesn't have a flywheel to go with it. I need to dig around my spare parts and find one for him. I think he bought it to suit 4efte and the 4e flywheel is slightly smaller.
Will be good thoough once sorted :D
And this is why we have regulation 🤣🤣🤣