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01:26 Nvidia Drivers
03:27 Screen Tearing
06:04 Multi Monitor support
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Drivers are a one click install from the graphical app store. DO NOT install them manually from the nvidia website, and don't mess with kernels that your distro doesn't officially pack.
So, a first big issue people report with nvidia drivers is Screen tearing. I plugged my desktop's RTX 3070 into a basic 1080p monitor. That desktop uses X11, and tearing just isn't a thing here.
Now, if I launch a game to see how well things go, for example Darktide, with v sync off, we can clearly see some big tearing happening. With vsync on, it disappears.
If you still have tearing, you can auto start a command when your computer starts, with the following command line:
nvidia-settings --assign CurrentMetaMode="nvidia-auto-select +0+0 {ForceFullCompositionPipeline=On}"
Add that command to your startup applications, and you're done.
But how about multi monitor support? I plugged my laptop running Wayland, into the same external monitor, the basic 1080p one, using the hdmi port that's connected to the nvidia dedicated GPU.
Nothing to say here, it just works.
I also plugged in 2 displays onto my desktop, the 1080p one, and my usual 1440p ultrawide, straight into the RTX3070.
No problems here, both displays are detected immediately. Same experience with KDE Plasma, no issues to report here, multi monitor support works normally.
Now, another thing people tend to hold against nvidia drivers is the hybrid graphics support, as in you have a laptop with a dedicated GPU from Nvidia, and an AMD integrated chip, or an Intel one.
On Wayland, it seems that hybrid mode is the default, and the only mode you can use, I could not find a way to move it back to the intel GPU only, or Nvidia only. Hybrid mode works perfectly.
On X11, the experience is pretty much the same. Hybrid mode is the default, and you do get a bunch more options in the nvidia control panel.
Nvidia has the reputation of not working with Wayland, but that's not true anymore. Everything works as it would on a normal wayland session: touchpad gestures, no screen tearing, fractional scaling support, screen sharing and recording, and running any application. Same experience on KDE with Wayland, it just works.
On my laptop, closing the lid will suspend the laptop. But very regularly, opening the lid doesn't wake the laptop back up, and I get a black screen.
I can get out of it by just getting into a TTY, then moving back to TTY1, and I'm good, but it's not what I'd call a smooth experience.
On my desktop, running Fedora also but with X11, suspend works perfectly, and resuming also happens without any issues.
All my tests are done using the latest nvidia drivers available on Fedora 37 with GNOME, and on Ubuntu 22.10 with KDE 5.25, and all these devices have relatively recent Nvidia GPUs. So it's only 2 distros, 2 desktop environments, and 3 different cards from the same generation.
Support for older GPUs, like the RTX10 series, or older ones, might not be as good, and might require you to use older legacy drivers, which very probably won't support Wayland, and might have more issues. - Věda a technologie
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Can I get the wallpaper link please ? Nice vid btw keep it up.
My issue is my GTX-1660 likes to overheat and throttle (when gaming) under Linux. This doesn't happen under Windows. Gaming under Linux, I'll see a temp increase of +10c, pushing my temps to over 90c. In Windows, the same game never goes above 85c. This is with Wayland or Xorg.
Also, for some reason, under Linux, it will throttle my GPU when it goes above 83c, but I never see throttling occurring under Windows when it goes above 83c.
It seems the default fan curve with the current set of nVidia Linux drivers is way more conservative than it is under Windows. I still think this is a driver issue and it could also be an issue with my GPU since it's a GTX-1660.
I do use Green with Envy to create a custom fan-curve that seems to help sometimes. I can't use Wayland because setting a custom fan curve doesn't work and I don't feel like using the nVidia control panel to set my GPU fan to a constant high RPM. It gets loud to keep it below 83c.
I just wonder if it's a combination of the current nVidia drivers and my GPU being a GTX-1660? It's a shame as I want to make Linux my daily driver, but I can't since I primarily game on my machine. For all other things, Linux is great.
@@bolski6125 I don't know. I have no issues with 3070 on Linux. It's literally running at full speed for days, even weeks training AI and it like never thermal throttles. I'm going to go for 4070 soon and a new PC. Just waiting for nvidia to pull the plug and discount that b**** GPU
@@ksenchy Correct. I would expect that the latest drivers work great for the 30 and 40 series but the 10/16 series are kind of left in the dust. But as I stated, I have a GTX-1660 which I doubt much they're looking at trying to improve the efficiency of the drivers with that particular series. :(
I went through nvidia driver hell first hand. The incredible thing is that once I moved to AMD literally every single issue I had just disappeared. My biggest issue was multi monitor setups with x11. At the time nvidia had literally no support for wayland.
Things have improved a lot!
@@TheLinuxEXP yes I’m glad, but VAAPI still doesn’t work. But I heard of a project trying to make that work. But it’s still going to be a while until I touch Nvidia again XD
@@roccociccone597 vaapi works but, it brakes on suspend/wake for some reason, and I don't care (or know) enough to try and figure out why.
@@roccociccone597 Considering NVDEC has been out since 2012 - thus making it over a decade old at the time or writing - I don't think it's Nvidia the one that's to blame. Nvidia deprecated VDPAU over a decade ago. Worst yet, FFMPEG, mpv and gstreamer all have had NVDEC suport for over half a decade now. This isn't on Nvidian, it's on Google, Mozilla and VLC.
@@TheLinuxEXP No they really haven't. Nvidia driver hell is real, as i just went through the exact same thing as Rocco, your stuck on X11 on multi monitor and forget about VRR. Oh you want to use X11 on a multi monitor setup, even with force composition pipeline you still get screen tearing thanks to flip to sync, Nvidia is a nightmare. Oh and idk about 6 years ago with Nvidia you were still dealing with having to use nomodeset to even boot the damn thing.
Everytime I think about Nvidia I just remember Linus' flip off.
While there's been improvements, I think you are entitled to have an optimal computing experience given the prices Nvidia deals with.
That's what I remember Nvidia for too. Unfortunately, the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX wasn't out yet and I needed a new GPU for my new build, so...
And to make matters worse, Wayland worked, then didn't, and now sort of works but the screen emits seizure inducing flashes (so it may as well not work).
If Nvidia would just open source ALL of their drivers, imagine how many more Linux users and developers would support them... (Even with $1600 GPUs!)
You forgot about virtualisation! The proprietary NVIDIA drivers don't support OpenGL 3D acceleration using virtio in virt-manager. But the Nouveau drivers work with 3D acceleration using virtio in virt-manager. Which is the only issue.
Really good to know- I don't have a GPU right now, but when I do, I'll keep this in mind, because I use virtio in virt-manager.
Haven't looked at Looking Glass, though, that seems to fix it?
@@SyRose901 I believe you have to pass through the entrie gpu/vgpu for that.
So no Minecraft?
GOD DAMMIT
Uhm ... I use Nvidia-Open drivers with RTX A2000 and they Work great in SteamOS. On Point its Work great with RTX 20xx and newer. Old cards are difficult.
@@NetrunnerAT NVidia makes a very good move turning to "opensource official drivers" instead of the Nouveau or full proprietary driver. it's an necessary change for the driver development in ALL systems.
The biggest issue with NVIDIA on Linux for me after my full switch a few years ago was how poor the legacy drivers worked. Had the system "brick" two times due to this when kernal updates were pushed.
As for screen tearing, it is more common on older cards (5 years or more).
I just switched to windows after I tried ALL versions (Ubuntu, Fedora and their spins, mint etc. Gnome and KDE)
It just doesn't play well with my 1030.
On some there is some tearing present, on other after drivers install and reboot the system is bricked.
On mint, it worked ok, but it has old apps. I tried to install my printer driver and needed some newer dependicy for a package which of course I couldn't install because of the old kernel.
Issues with some steam games (like path of exile) that just wouldn't start. No error message.
Wasted a couple of weeks just trying every tutorial on the internet, no go.
On windows everything just works
I will give it another shot when I will replace my hardware.
@@okay4634 NVK is only for Turing+ cards
@@jaimiepotts7638 Nope. NVK supports Kepler and up, I personally tried it out with an old laptop of mine before.
It's more about backward compability isn't a thing of Linux kernel rather than the Nvidia driver. Vbox driver, vmware driver, and some wifi adapters's drivers were the were broken too
@@trandafirmarian5334 hey there, I'm also on a GT 1030, but I've been running Arch with it (though I'm using a window-manager only setup) for nearly a year now. Feel free to reply me if you want to dip into Linux with your current hardware again, I might be able to help.
Nvidia on Linux has gotten a long way in recent years. Proper Wayland support is a great thing. A big leg up that AMD and Intel have is the hassle free nature of running them. Getting those proprietary Nvidia drivers installed can be a pain. Luckily some distros (namely Pop) make this painless.
I'm hoping Nvidia's GPUs will work hassle free, out of the box one day. An Nvidia RADV equivalent would be a dream and a benefit for everyone.
Switching from a Nvidia 1060 to an AMD RX 6600 in 2021 fixed the random lockups I would have every couple months, and the need to unplug and plug the hdmi cable to get the picture back sometimes. I could also re-enable power saving. This was on Mint.
That’s the way to go if you want to shake off problems…
For years, I've had very little issue with proprietary drivers on linux. The issues have been more related to certain distros either making acquiring them complicated or not providing recent driver versions. Arch based distros seem be a breeze to install the latest nvidia-dkms drivers, so I'm happy. The only exception was with Wayland not so long ago but thankfully the major issues seem to be ironed out.
Nvidia Controlcenter on Linux is just a mess. It often doesn't save your config because the permissions are set wrong, and often it doesn't load the config, because the Desktop Environment just overwrites it and you have to disable this manually.
The nvidia-settings application needs to be run as sudo, and after checking the box, we need to save the config file so that it persists after reboots
I have been using Nvidia GPUs in Linux since 2008 at least... And it just worked. But before the distros packaged the non free drivers it was a pain. Now it is so much easier, completely trivial, and the performance / feature set is close to Windows driver.
I used a 1060 with various distros for years mostly with out issues. I even overclocked it, ran a custom fan profile, and maxed out the power limit. I used "Green with Envy" for that. (Needed to squeeze a little more life out of it because of ridiculous GPU prices.)
Just a few months ago Wayland was a huge problem on a mobile NVIDIA GPU for me. The biggest thing was flickering of elements in XWayland (As far as I could find, this was entirely an NVIDIA driver problem.) Between moving to a laptop that has NVIDIA Optimus instead of just the NVIDIA GPU and the software updates since then, everything is working basically flawlessly now. That said, I don't know how much of that is because of things going through the Intel GPU thanks to Optimus, but I'm pretty happy to not switch to fully-discrete mode to test at the moment.
Desktop here, RTX3060ti, nvidia proprietary drivers, Fedora, also had flickering on XWayland apps on Wayland just a few months ago
After that I swapped to X11 (on Ubuntu) and I had problems with Hardware Accelerated apps like Chrome (dragging around the window would introduce tearing to the whole desktop, videos had tearing, etc), which forced me to disable HW Accel, heavily reducing the performance of the app but at least making it more stable.
I ended up going to Windows unfortunately to have both stability and performance... Haven't tried Fedora 37 yet so I might give it another go, but I feel like it's still a nightmare to work with NVidia and Linux, I never had such issues with my old AMD card
Gaming still gives half the fps on Wayland with nviidia drivers
XWayland flickering/jittering with NVIDIA is definitely still a problem. From what I understand, it's a very fundamental issue with how GPU synchronization is handled (NVIDIA does it differently than everyone else), so a fix is years off at a minimum and honestly might never happen.
@@AndRei-yc3ti I haven't noticed anything like that, but I'm also running Optimus, so Intel is handling everything but the game rendering. I can switch over to the discrete GPU as my laptop has a mux switch, but Wayland has synchronization issues on NVIDIA, and in Xorg I haven't really noticed any better FPS than with Optimus on Wayland, so I just don't do it.
@@riskytiago rtx3050ti + ryzen 5600h(hp victus 16).
I'm using EndeavourOS + KDE Plasma(X11), literally 0 problems on GPU/Monitor side.
Also, after I discovered I can use type-c port as HDMI, and it will give signal on external monitor in any mode, I stopped using EnvyControl/OptimusManager for the HDMI.
I generally have had no issue with NVidia drivers that I have used on Linux with one recent exception. Gaming using Wayland causes glitching to happen when scrolling and moving around in a game. The glitching is less prominent and improved with the latest 530 driver but it is still noticeable. Very recent laptop. No issues using Xorg.
Recently I switched to a 30 series laptop and has to say I was pretty surprised that everything worked out of the box without any tinkering (on wayland!! as I switched exclusively to wayland for some time). Other than the driver I just installed Nvidia Prime to easily run apps on dedicated gpu. As somebody who's been using linux for more than 10 years on mostly nvidia laptops this is a welcome change. I'm eagerly waiting for the Nvidia Open GPU Kernel drivers as it supposedly going to support Advanced Optimus out of the box
I think the issue with suspend is related to video memory getting unloaded on suspend. There is a nvreg modprobe setting to disable that. That also fixes some other issues, such as programs being black after resume or cuda breaking
During the LTT Linux challenge, Linus did mention that the settings for the drivers were limited but I don't know how the same is in AMD side.
@hello yeah everyone knows that including himself, but he does a good job representing the common person in our space that is hesitant to plunge into Linux.
@hello not going to defend/attack Linus here regarding his technical abilities but I'm pretty sure that the Nvidia driver's configuration application in Windows is much more feature rich compared to the one we have in Linux side. (I just pointed out that Linus had highlighted this in his Linux challenge video.)
> "I don't know how the same is in AMD side."
It's worse. Unless you want to use Xorg.conf files, which is out of the question for 99.99% of people. I've been using Linux for 5 years and never once gotten those to work at all.
I encountered multiple issues with Nvidia already. Especially as graphics developer it is hands down a bad platform because you don't get reliable output from debug and validation layers to make sure your software will be cross-compatible.
If Nvidia GPUs would allow open-source drivers similar to RADV which do not leave performance behind because of some proprietary firmware limitations, this would be solvable. But currently AMD gpus provide a much better experience, especially with open-source projects.
well then start using the proprietary driver's problem solved.🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue I had these issues while using the proprietary drivers. So that doesn't solve the issue.
And since they are not open-source, there was no way for me to contribute any changes to fix it.
Personally I hope the current efforts with the open-source NVK driver in Mesa will help with issues like that. It seems like it will provide reasonable performance in the future. So that might make Nvidia GPU's a valid option again.
@@TheJackiMonster well you're not doing something that guy in the video is doing because he says he has no issues
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Well, I'm not the only developer who had issues with Nvidia GPUs on Linux because of the proprietary drivers. The point is that it's more difficult to properly debug and fix issues during software development with them and this leads to problems on user level which may not occur if you have hardware and drivers that allow developers to do their job.
We have seen compatibility issues with Wayland, with X11, with some window managers and desktop environments in the past. Simply ignoring those issues with Nvidia GPUs hurts users in the end. I still know people who use Linux distributions but struggle with some configuration details caused by the enforced Nvidia setup with proprietary drivers. It's just dishonest to say there are zero issues just because you don't have them.
I also wouldn't say that you don't miss out on CUDA or other features with AMD GPUs. Because I know open-source drivers are developed who try to compensate that. Accepting the reality is first part of finding a solution, not denying it.
I don't think any serious developer would act like that and I really hope that once we have competitive open-source drivers for Nvidia GPUs, most users finally realize how stupid it was to favor a proprietary requirement if they could have the option to choose between both.
My Nvidia experience (admittedly with an older card) did worsen a lot when I upgraded to a dual-monitor setup. Just because of how bad multi-monitor issues were in Linux with my Nvidia card, both in X and in Wayland, I started using Windows again for a while where multi-monitor just worked. Getting an AMD card all my Linux dual-monitor issues were istantly solved. I think you should do a new addendum video dedicated to multi-monitor support, for me at least it's been night and day. There's just a few issues left when I'm in Wayland (in another distro) on dual screen in a few apps, but Wayland's multi-monitor compatibility is getting better by the month.
Nice video. I use a fairly old laptop with a Quadro GPU, on a DE running X11, so I'm not completely sold on the idea of using NVDIA instead of nouveau, but it's good to hear that in more modern systems it's better than it used to be.
Completely off-topic question: would you mind sharing the model of that LG monitor shown in 12:46? I've been looking for an ultra-wide for some time now. Is it FHD, and if so how good is the display quality?
I have been utilizing a "hybrid" graphics configuration on a desktop using an arc dgpu and nvidia dgpu. The arc runs the desktop and applications while the nvidia kicks in only for games and utilize render offloading. It's been a great setup for getting my optimal linux experience.
So far there is only one problem I have run into with both AMD and Nvidia: There is no option to change between Chroma Subsampling/RGB and Full/Limited colour ranges. I have found some too complicated commands but not all of them worked and solved the problem.
Good video. One weird Nvidia thing I have in OBS is I see frames missed due to render lag at times.
I plan to start playing with DR on Linux soon. I have been using it on Mac.
I have had some weirdness with Nvidia at times but it has seemed smoother lately.
14:29 I have an RTX 2070 on my KDE + Arch machine (All current drivers) and Screen tearing is horrendous when using OBS. What's weird is that the tearing only appears on the "Title Bar" part of the window. Even when watching something in full screen, the tearing is present. The only way to get rid of the tearing is to disable "Allow Flipping" on the Nvidia Settings GUI.
One interesting bug is that Electron on XWayland and Nvidia (like VSCode and Heroic) seems to have an input lag. I type and there is a slight, but very annoying latency between pressing the keys and things happening. This does not happen on new Electron versions running under Wayland, but many apps won't upgrade. Also, Discord is a nightmare, unless you use it via the browser.
This jittering affects all XWayland apps in my experience. Electron seems to present frames in a way that really exacerbates the issue: sometimes it will hold old frames for multiple seconds and it makes typing infuriating. Other times, the window will be completely black or flicker really fast. I think it also affects games, but since they draw so frequently, it's harder to notice as it only manifests in stutters or occasional incorrect frame-ordering.
@@gnusenpai Furthermore, NVIDIA loses 10-15% game FPS in Wayland mode. This was tested by Phoronix. Better stick with X11, sadly.
There are way more "edge cases" that are way too common to still be a problem. X11 has basically no multi-refresh-rate setup to speak of (it defaults to the highest common denominator). But I can't switch to wayland, because suddenly the whole system becomes clunky: Discord has issues with mistimed frames: during typing a message parts of the message disappear, and reappear inconsistently. Why do I need to set an environment variable in a hidden file for e.g. firefox to work normally? Also, I need to delete it, when I inevitably have enough of wayland and want to use x11 again. It's just a pain to try to use a multi-monitor setup with today's linux versions
And no VRR with multiple monitors connected on X11 or Wayland.
installed endeavor os with kde x11 on NVIDIA ...running space engine fine no crash, but cannot use inbuilt game video capture ... it says operation not permitted ...
One question though, when installing nvidia on fedora, it set default to X11. Is there any step to follow to go back to Wayland?
I was waiting this video for so long! honestly i will just love to see a better control panel/settings app and properly g-sync support for wayland (really necessary for gaming when you don't get the same fps that your monitor hz) nvenc and all the rest are working pretty damn well for me on a 1650 super, and recently i get a rtx 2060 super that should be here on a few days, yes, for a linux desktop:)
How is going your experience with your RTX 2060 Super in Linux? Also, what distro you're using?
Hi, sorry for the time that it took me to answer this, I just saw the comment now, probably is not useful for you anymore but leaving it here anyways!
The experience with the rtx 2060 super is more than awesome, I use it in a lot of distros and desktops, kde, cinnamon, and ofc, gnome, rn I'm using fedora workstation as my daily distro.
Switched to Wayland even without the g-sync support yet since this gpu does really well in gaming, anyways I think that the gnome wayland experience with nvidia is probably the best one, kde was really buggy for me.
I keep my fps as stable as possible, so tearing is not a thing, also using things like resolve or obs with nvenc is just as comfortable as in windows :)
@@CrazySalieri
For Nvidia settings (ForceFullCompositionPipeline) to stick, did you save the config to your Xorg config file? If I do they stick.
iirc when applying the VSync composition pipeline thingy, you need to make sure that the Xorg config file is actually saved. I had to manually save to my home directory and then move the file to the correct place. After that, it was persistent after reboots
Great video. I'm gradually switching back to Linux. As someone who does 3D modeling, animation, and locally runs AI art/language models, I can tell you Nvidia is simply non-optional in that space. Happy to say everything has been working like a dream on Linux. Last time was fine, but there were weird "quirks" like nvidia-settings not saving, and GSync not working that I'm happy to say are gone now.
I have been using an RTX 2070 on my main PC and have had an overall negative experience, my multi monitor setup doesnt work on the boot screen but is fine after logging in, wayland caused artifacting and one of my monitors to flash off and on, and after suspending all audio cuts out. X11 doesn’t really fix anything either. I am 100% switching to an AMD Card once I get the money
Update: I bought a 6950XT a couple months ago and it quite literally solved everything
I've run into several issues with Nvidia, though. On my laptop with AMD integrated graphics and an RTX 3070, DaVinci Resolve will immediately crash if I try to use multiple monitors running on different GPUs (the laptop screen from amdgpu + an external display from the 3070). If I disable the integrated graphics in UEFI, the problem goes away. Maybe Xwayland issue? Not sure. The problem persisted until a month ago when I sold my laptop.
On my desktop with an RTX 3090, sometimes my third display doesn't get picked up. It is going through a DP to Type-C adapter so I'm not sure if it's the Nvidia driver's fault, but I never came across this situation under Windows.
Another issue comes up sometimes when I use Firefox (and Vivaldi,too, when I still use it). The monitor will flicker as soon as I move my mouse into the browser window. And it will continue to flicker until I violently shake my mouse like a mad man so that it flickers enough times I guess? Again, it's never a issue under Windows, so I'm kind of confident that it's not a faulty GPU.
Any recommendations for a distribution? I've tried several and none of them are playing well with my 3080. KDE neon didn't work with dual monitors and it wasn't obvious how to install the drivers. Mint made it easy to install the drivers but the multi monitor setup stopped working after a single reboot. I also most recently tried Nobara but GRUB broke and I couldn't figure out how to fix it.
Aaah the good old NVIDIA :)
the moment you think everything is just going to work
it doesn't :)
Thanks Nick.
I actually switched to AMD a good while ago because I liked the idea of the FOSS drivers and the better KVM support, however, I never understood the hate against nVidia performance under Linux.
Them being not cooperative with the community, sure. Their drivers are not on par with Windows either but that too goes for AMD and probably Intel now. For someone like me who just wanted to play games with his 1070FTW, everything ran fine.
have presentations been improved? last time on ubuntu it just made the projector screen a second screen so i had to awkwardly drag stuff to that screen
Hi im having issues with screen tearing and i went to options in Nvidia graphics panel, but i don't have g sync options there, btw i ha nvidia 4060 TI and mz monitor is dellS2721DS im using linux mint cinamon edition, can you tell me how to fix this?
My Main issue was vsync being locked to 60 fps even though I have a 165 hz monitor. It NEVER worked in 3 years and after many, many hours of trying to fix it.
When I switched to AMD, it was solved instantly without me doing anything.
6:00 I believe it might be the button there to save to X-config, which you need sudo permissions to do (which you need to launch the settings from the terminal using "sudo nvidia-settings")
Although I thought I had used this to enable free-sync, but it wasn't on. I just tried it, and will reboot after finishing the video to see if it sticks.
Edit: at least for me the g-sync part stuck, but didn't test the specific setting mentioned
I tried but it never worked for me
this video couldn't have come out at a better time, i just finished installing the drivers manually just to find out you can install them straight from the terminal LOL. great video!
Nobara gnome on Nvidia 1060 only desktop here, both screens go black for a few seconds when moving windows or I click in an electron app. People were blaming gnome+wayland at some point. I wouldn't mind moving to x11, kde or another distro, but I don't even know what's causing this. Any tips?
as someone with a Intel iGPU + NVIDIA dGPU on Xorg with no desktop environment, it's a true pain. I even had to buy a USB-C to HDMI adapter because I literally can't use both GPUs at the same time. This made me end up just not being able to use my RTX3060 AT ALL in any scenario, it just exists, but I can only use the iGPU.
You’re probably not in hybrid graphics mode? If the only enabled GPU is the Intel or the nvidia one, the other one is inaccessible
@@TheLinuxEXP well from what I read, Xorg can only use one GPU and not two of them at the same time, seeing as I don't use a desktop environment, I'd have to manually setup reverse prime which didn't work for me.
And even if it worked, it'd require me to reboot to fully power down the NVIDIA GPU, right?
EDIT: I read through the NVIDIA Optimus page on the arch wiki quite a few times, but couldn't find anything suitable that has all the advantages at once like windows does, some require a reboot, others tank the performance or just don't allow you to use both GPUs as outputs at once
Same here. Been using KDE Neon on my desktop for over 5 years and it's been flawless. Decided to put on on my laptop with Intel igpu + Nvidia dgpu and I've still been trying to get it to even boot to anything besides a black screen or stuck at the brand logo. The couple of times I have gotten the distro to install and set everything up and install Nvidia drivers, Im back on a black screen at the next boot. So I'm still stuck on crappy windows on my laptop.
Gotta disagree I have a 4070TI and a Samsung Odyssey G9 neo and have nothing but issues no matter what distro I try. If I use my AMD video card I have no issues at all. Issues I have are the monitor wont wake from sleep, depending on the disto it wont pick up the monitors correct resolution or refresh rate and will lock me to 60hz when it does 240hz. Just tried the new fedora and it says I have 2 monitors when I only have the 1. Just says unknown 13". Its a horrible experience. Maybe it is because the 40 series is newer. I do have a MSI laptop with hybrid intel/nvidia and I do not have issues with it with the nvidia drivers. Gotta be the newer graphics card with the drivers.
i have a problem with nvidia mvec codec so i can't use obs, any help? I'm using Manjaro KDE Plasma
For CUDA framework for AI usage, nvidia on linux used to be an absolute nightmare on linux (or even on windows), to make all the various versions of drivers work with each other. It seems they now have fixed that issue by installing the suitable CUDA and cudnn versions for the driver you're installing. or it seems that way. manual installation of official third party install of latest nvidia on debian testing has been working perfectly for everything else. except wayland on debian testing, that still has loads of bugs.
_Run this command in your terminal as root and everything will work_ is the Linux equivalent of _Just run this exe file and everything will work_ on Windows.
There HAS to be a better way to change these things.
I want more privacy and hardening videos please!
What about multi monitor different refresh rates because I tried pop os and I have a 60 and 144hz monitor and on the desktop the mouse was 144hz but moving the windows and scrolling was 60 hz.
Hi Nick! good to see and know this...I've just updated to Fedora 38 and have been some display issues. Anyway, the point is that i've done the Allow G-Sync but when exit asks me to save, but when i try to do that, it appears this error "Unable to open X config file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" for writing." :S any idea on how to solve this? Thank you.
Maybe try to run the nvidia settings app as sudo, so you can save the file?
@@TheLinuxEXP no idea how to do that, but i'll look into it, thanks :)
I just can't agree to say that Nvidia is a good experience in Linux when my Laptop that has an Nvidia 3050 laptop GPU is contently having tearing issue, a power draw even when idling the GPU (3W that can cost 1 hour easily) that literally 99.9% of my crashed (DE and Kernel) are related to the Nvidia driver and that it literally force me to shutdown my computer by pressing 10 second on the board and it's not related to my OS (same results on Arch Fedora Debian Ubuntu)
Also when I talk about tearing I talk about a tearing that makes frames going a bit wobbly like a jelly that stutter.
However I can agree that on a Desktop computer with a GTX 1070 I never encounter any issue (except some crashes)
I'm just ashamed that AMD GPUs doesn't seem to be easy to find in a Laptop. but on my laptop the situation is really just not good at all.
Also why can't we have Advanced Optimus like on windows so the GPU could finally turn off when not in use I mean come on Bumblebee was doing it way before (A shame that this project is dead btw...)
The 10x0 series GPUs were most of the issue I think. For me they had several problems.
I have been using nvidia 525 drivers with Ubuntu 22.04 LTS for 1-2months and worked stable for the most part; except my concern when gaming the cpu would running hotter than compared to Win11 (80-85C) and on Linux (90-92C). About a few days ago I upgraded from nvidia 525 to 530 (from settings> Update Software -> Drivers). After I upgraded to nvidia 530 the multiscreen doesn't work but for 1 monitor, so I wanted to revert back to 525.. but I can't cause now my ethernet interface is gone and can't use the internet to reinstall the 525 drivers. I'm not sure how to get the ethernet to be detected.... so for now I just use Win11 since it works and my laptop runs cooler. Kind of breaks my heart cause I thought Linux would be a better experience... that is just flakey goofy that when I upgrade graphics drivers my network is now not detected.... I have never had such problems with Windows 11 for many years.
05:15 Screen Tearing
You can also remove it without that command line, If you check mark the "force composition pipeline", and "force full composition pipeline" inside the nvidia-settings control panel. Instead of typing the whole thing out, if I remember correctly, though it has been a while since I did that. You can see the check mark boxes when it is described for the G-SYNC enable :) Just be sure to launch the control panel I believe with SUDO nvidia-settings? :P
6:42 Kidney Priced GPU 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Latest Nvidia driver (530.41.03 or 530.30.02) + Wayland + >120hz refresh rate = hard lockup
It's not good.
No problems here with 100hz
@The Linux Experiment What would be better for everyday life? I have an RTX 3060 and 2 FreeSync monitors and use Fedora and which desktop environment would be the best for X11 or Wayland (Gnome / KDE / LXQT / XFCE)?
really nice that this video is a thing, currently going to move to fedora+ passthrough VM for windows and try to use as much as I can on linux and will see how it goes. I remember having big issues with nvidia and linux in general when I had monitors with different refreshrates and stuff and also really basic stuff that you'd expect to work right off the bat, but seeing it works fine now is a good info
Nvidia hasn't given any problems either. Having said that, it is really annoying that even though it's an easy install once you know how, you do have to figure out how each distro let's you do it. And sometimes distros have multiple ways to do it. This can get confusing if you are new. So it's easy once you know, but you could say that about anything.
Not only that, flatpaks use their own Nvidia drivers and if it's not in sync with your system, it won't work. So many times I've had apps not start because I updated my system but not flatpaks. Also, flatpaks are really wasteful. They update AND install new drivers without checking if you'll still need the old driver after auto installing a new driver. This means you remove the old driver right after updating it!! Maybe not Nvidia the company's problem, but definitely a problem.
Still, Linux for life baby!!!!!!
I agree. Just a couple years ago, I clearly remember using a tiling manager and having GLARING tears while watching CZcams. Some other problems were Nvidia's stupid suspend bug and power usage. Now, on Wayland and all it's glory, I get perfect frames always. Also suspend problem has a workaround using Nvidia's systemctl service file. So yeah, now it's 👍.
5:58 You can save the settings with the "Save to X Configuration File" button. But you need to run the program as sudo.
How do you add commands to startup applications? It only lets me chose applications. There's nothing for commands.
I agree with you. Talk about issues with Nvidia drivers... I had the weirdest issues with Nvidia drivers on Windows 11. Despite the general narrative, my Nvidia card has been more reliable on Linux 😂
I feeling like using popos will sort out most of these things. You also have the option of select between hybrid, integrated and Gpu from the desktop itself, battery life is also very optimal. Nvidia on linux is just fine, I have 1050 on my laptop it works just fine.
Just I want to know is black screen after booting in arch linux using Nvidia RTX 30xx and intel 11th cpus is a real issue or not?
It's really nice to see hybrid graphics being natively supported like this. Way back in the day, I had created a Gnome extension specifically to be able launch graphical apps via right-clicking just like it's done now, using the good old Bumblebee project
Proprietary nvidia driver does not support hybrid graphics. EnvyControl can not shut down hybrid and Nvidia dedicated to only enable integrated GPU, only if proprietary driver is installed. Not working in latest Ubuntu, Fedora, Manjaro, Endeavouros.
Unfortunately if secureboot is a requirement for you (you need to dual boot Win11), than the NVIDIA proprietary driver install isn't so simple. Very doable, there are a lot of articles on it (some out of date so be careful), but it is a process. Though once you do it properly, you are good to go with every kernel update. I even upgraded to Fedora 38 and it was not an issue again. It's just not something that will be easy to resolve until the nouveau drivers can catch up.
Yeah secureboot is an issue
I run Fedora 37 on my desktop and have suspend issues. When I boot with the latest 6.X kernel, it uses NVidia drivers but when I suspend, 2 seconds later it wakes itself up automatically. However, when I boot with the 5.17 kernel, it successfully can stay suspended, but I get an error on boot about "falling back to Nouveau drivers". Can anybody suggest how to fix?
on Ubuntu running wayland on a laptop makes everything render on the intel gpu, even when there's only one external monitor plugged in to the hdmi connected to the nvidia gpu, which in turn makes everything run at like 10 fps. the "run app on dedicated gpu" context menu option doesn't do anything either. proprietary driver 525
Thanks for the tip re: nvidia-settings - but you might want to add some info for using it for a multi-monitor setup. I think/guess that your suggestion is only for the top/left-most monitor if you have more than one.
My only problem with nvidia is figuring out how to enable gsync on a freesync compatable display but with multiple monitors (only one of them being cpatible).
In wayland I cant seem to figure out how to enable gaync at all, and with x11 it just doesnt work with multiple monitors
I've just watched your rant at 11:50 about power management on Fedora, and I'd really thought I was the only one unable to wake my laptop after sleep.
I have an AMD+NVIDIA 3050 laptop running on X11, and every time its RAM gets >50%, it doesn't wake up anymore (same black screen). And it drains battery like crazy as well, like 3-4 hours in contrast to 24 hours you mention.
I also wasn't lucky with the NVIDIA drivers provided out-of-the box in Fedora, and I have to re-install the proprietary ones every time I do a kernel update and want to game.
So far Fedora has been able to replace Windows 100%, but these issues on a laptop in 2023 would definitely scare away any inexperienced user coming to the Linux ecosystem.
Thanks for raising the topic and sharing your experience, it's very valuable indeed!
I still need to use X11 on my laptop because I use NoMachine to connect to it remotely and NoMachine doesn't currently work under Wayland when the proprietary NVIDIA drivers are installed.
6:00 Using the "Save to X Configuration File" option allows this to save after each reboot, you might get an error while trying to save however (I've had this happen on Pop OS, but have also had it work fine on other distros), which can be fixed by using this command "sudo chmod u+x /usr/share/screen-resolution-extra/nvidia-polkit" (which may seem silly since you can just use a command to do it after each reboot but lol)
On my laptop nvidia settings after running the command just blanked for a second and switched to 2560... max resolution and tearing continued. Also in the GUI of nvidia settings it states gsync is not available nor active. I even switched to 120Hz, no changes of the availability of the gsync mode.
"Works just fine" - Wayland. I had issues with weird double buffering on xwayland apps that would cause flashing. This happened in multiple distros. 3070ti
Hey boss I'm planning on installing regatta os on my Samsung Galaxy s21 ultra through limbo PC emulator.
Do you think snapdragon is supported regatta os platform? I will be light gaming DC universe online and producing music
Two days ago I just wanted to install nvidia drivers for my GTX 1050 Ti mobile on my laptop, and I followed a tutorial that had two ways to install, by CUDA or RPM packages (I'm using Fedora), I used the CUDA tutorial and when I restart the pc, my 2nd screen was not detected :c I'm using wayland but I don't think thats the problem, because before I did this, when turning on the computer, the fedora logo was displayed on both screens, however now I dont. I was searching and in some forums they say that the drivers get fusioned with the kernel or something like that, I also reinstalled the kernel but the problem is the same, If I boot from an USB, both screens works well. I'm not sure if it was a fedora update, or the nvidia drivers haha :c
I want to ask a thing, how is possible that my kernel updated to 6.1.0-1008 OEM without installing the kernel headers?
As soon as you turn on fractional scaling on kde wayland everything breaks but just for the scaled monitor. That is the reason im still running windows because everything would be far to small to have no scaling. On gnome it works however fractional scaling breaks XWayland windows on gnome so that isnt a option either
I run a “PD70 Series Laptop” which I suspect is a Clevo design. The one I have was sold to me by a Dutch company called “NovaCustom”.
They as part of their service install GPU drivers for you (like Nvidia drivers) which makes things much nicer. For the ~10 months I’ve had this machine which sports an RTX 3060 6GB “Max Q” card it’s been great overall. No tearing issues or driver problems.
The only bad thing happened very recently (start of July 2023) when APT and “Software Updates” in Ubuntu brought in the new kernel it got a bit messy as new drivers and old had some conflict which I eventually resolved.
Another niche driver issue on Linux are drivers for RGB keyboards; in my case the seller has written a bash script which handles every step for you and can be run in case of the driver going missing or getting uninstalled which seemed to have happened when the kernel update happened.
Again; generally a great experience for myself which allowed me to focus on coding.
The NVIDIA driver for Windows has a "custom resolution" feature, but on Linux I could not find a replacement, and xrandr does not work. As a result my 100hz monitor only runs in 60hz mode
I had a very smooth experience using NVIDIA on Linux Mint with cinnamon. I now use KDE Plasma as my main DE but unfortunately I have alot of low fps stutter in kwin with x11. Wayland fixed the issues but its not quite ready for my use case. The good thing is that its always improving and what doesn't work for me might work for other people.
I used kmod to use the nvidia drivers with the planetccrma rt kernel. Kmod handles the kernel upgrade relinking the nvidia driver.
The only issue I ever ran into was X11 not rendering KDE animations at my monitors full refresh rate. After I switched to Wayland all of that went away and its been buttery smooth ever since.
Using Fedora, depending on the window manager, the screen tearing happens.
If I'm using the Gnome, there's no screen tearing at all, but if I often use I3wm as my window manager and the tearing happens everywhere. Scrolling In the browser, watching CZcams videos. Happens everywhere, and my monitor it's a free sync model. But fortunately is manageable. Just enabling the " force composition pipeline" fixes the issue.
Yes, I love --assing my CurrentMetaModfe :P
I do want to point out one annoying issue that I've had for a very long time with NVIDIA drivers on Linux, is that before I was having issues where NVIDIA Settings wasn't applying my proper refresh rate for my monitor, which is a AOC AG322FWG4, it's a 32" display that can run 144Hz, and I use DisplayPort instead of HDMI to run at its native 144Hz refresh rate, but the issue I was having previously was NVIDIA Settings would ignore the setting at 144Hz and instead run at a choppy 60Hz refresh rate, and I would always have to set it after login. Also Monitor resolution doesn't get applied to it's full resolution at boot until login screen, so when I see the GRUB Boot Menu it's displaying at a lower resolution than the preferred 1920x1080, even though I've set explicitly in the GRUB config to apply that resolution for the GRUB menu. Since I'm currently on Manjaro, they've recently done something in an update so that NVIDIA settings actually set to what they're supposed to be before logging in. Just not at boot time when it comes to the GRUB menu.
Also how were you able to get DaVinci Resolve to work for you? When I tried using it, it wouldn't accept any video files I put into it. MKV, MPEG-4, AVI, M2TS or even MOV files.
Is it actually possible to screen record screen tearing? Like it's not a rendering error it's something that messes up at your display and not at the signal
There is an exception to the need of reboot after chanigng GPU, Linux Mint just asks to log off and back on, which is much faster than a normal reboot.
My personal experience started right before proper Wayland support arrived (1050Ti Hybrid graphics on laptop). So had to endure for quite a bit weird behaviour - stuttering and low fps when external monitor was attached to HDMI which connects to dGPU. But now it's just works. Though having support for Nvidia Reflex would be nice. And probably not drivers fault, but on Wayland mouse isn't captured properly in full screen apps so on multiple monitors cursor just wanders
Have you tried using zen (or xen) kernel? Or any other kernel (real-time etc.)? I remember being unable to install nv drivers along side them. I don't have an nvidia gpu right now, but I'd like to know if things have changed in this regard.
No, you kinda need the official kernel your distro provides for the drivers to work well and not break
Can someone suggest best destro for hp pavilion notebook with Nvidia GeForce 840MX also Intel integrated graphics.
If your setting are not saving on the control panel every time you reboot then you didnt save out your Xorg.conf from with in the control panel, FYI Nvidia uses Xwayland (X11 running under Wayland) so you still have to configure all the X11 settings like the old school way.
I tried install Fedora 39 , it just coundlt start the instalation, the nvida grafic its the mainly suspect
Multi Monitor support is not really there yet for me, I use PopOS and the login screen always shows up on the left-most screen no matter which monitor you choose as your main one. Also the login screen always shows up in landscape mode even if you set a monitor to vertical.
5:58 This is an issue with how the config file gets saved, for me I have to run the tool as a super user and then it will save
I had issues with installing fedora 37 with wayland. I have a ThinkStation P620 with the 12 core Threadripper Pro and nvidia 3080 RTX. The screen was jumbled up everywhere like as if the cable was not plugged in properly. I could still see things, so installed, then installed nvidia drivers and works perfectly fine now too. Wish it was an option from install so I didn’t have install issues.
I have a 2015 GTX 960 from the Maxwell generation in my home Desktop. I have been daily driving Arch with GNOME 43.4 on Wayland for a couple of months now, since I have really started to use a Linux distro as the main Operating System in my PCs only recently, and I can report that it behaves just perfectly! GDM didn't really give me an option to use Wayland when I first installed the proprietary drivers, but with some thinkering I've been able to run GNOME on Wayland using the latest Proprietary Nvidia Drivers. Keep in mind that being an older card I can't really use the open source kernel modules so I should be in disadvantage, but again: it runs like a charm.
I've been using Linux on and off for literally no serious work for the better part of 10 years now (10 years ago though I was still a child I would say, so I really just distro hopped but still enjoyed exploring new experiences), and I can fully remember the struggles on X11 in 2017-2018, where for example my desktop was not really smooth at certain times for apparently no reason since the hardware it is rocking has no business in being choppy.
I can safely say that the Nvidia experience on Linux has made a huge step forward, at least for me.
I had some issues with running some games and the steam beta, where Nvidia drivers lack glamour support and the output becomes stuttery, but I could get around these by running the games at high fps and getting the triple buffered Mutter patch for Gnome. The stutteriness is still there it's just less noticeable.