New Year, Old Grind - 1984 Cub Cadet 782 Onan Repower Project
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2019
- To all my new subscribers, welcome to the channel! I wanted to start off the new year with a video of one of my smaller projects that I've been working on for the past month or so. Most people know my channel for featuring garden tractors and ag, so I have to stay true to my roots and stick to the old grind...this type of content has helped grow my channel over the past 7 years and I still gotta make videos for my long-time subscribers and friends. I plan to have a Peterbilt 359 update video pretty soon.
I picked up this post-IH era Cub Cadet 782 back in early December from a friend of mine in southern PA. It stayed in one area its whole life, as it was (technically) a one-owner machine. The owner had it serviced at the local dealer where it was bought new. He used it to mow and plow snow for about 34 years (and 850 hours) before its Kohler KT17 Series I engine broke a rod (they were notorious for rod failure especially when run on hillsides, because they lacked pressure lubrication. The connecting rod journals would tend to starve for oil when running on slopes). Surprisingly, the engine still ran decent with a broken rod. The owner traded in the 782 on a new Cub Cadet XT3. A fellow garden tractor collector friend of mine, who worked at that dealership at the time, bought the 782 and had plans to repower it, but his plans changed and he decided to get rid of it. I got first dibs on it.
The tractor itself is in great shape and the original paint on it was very well-preserved. It was built by the Cub Cadet Corporation (CCC) during the crossover period from 1981-1985. It came with a model 44C mower deck that I am currently trying to sell. It has dual hydraulics, so by CCC's standards it's actually a model 784. I'm assuming the original owner also used it to plow snow, because of that feature. Also, the rear tires are loaded with ballast, and the tractor had wheel weights on it when it was traded in.
Those of you who know me, know that I am a fan of Onan opposed-twin engines. For the past year or so, I had been tossing around the idea of building an Onan-powered 682 or 782 tractor (since the factory Onan-powered 982/1912/1914 are not easy to find). I happened to come across a good deal for a low-hour Onan P218G out of a John Deere 318, so I picked it up. It has a new carburetor, but hasn't been run since about 2005, so I figured it would need a good freshening up. I replaced all the gaskets and seals on the engine, and I replaced the plastic governor flyball spacer gear with a steel one to prevent any governor problems down the road. Also replaced the original P218 oil pan and starter with the earlier-style flat oil pan base from a B series Onan (used in the 982/1912/1914). A compression test showed 96 PSI on one cylinder and 107 PSI on the other, and there was very little carbon buildup on the heads, pistons, and valves. The cylinders didn't show signs of wear and the pistons had no play in them, so I could tell the rings weren't too worn (which is a huge plus). I also adjusted the valve lash to spec. I basically fixed, replaced, or adjusted anything that could go wrong in the future, so this engine should be ready to run. I plan to make a video of the first start. I had a custom CV-joint driveshaft built for it, which should be sturdier than the original straight-shaft it used. It has a special adapter to bolt the front CV joint to the Onan engine flywheel. The driveshaft has grease fittings, and everything is held together with Allen screws and countersunk bolts to eliminate vibration, so this driveline setup should last a very long time.
I want to do this project the right way and make it look like a factory-fitted Onan engine, not just some hack job. I'm planning to use a set of dual mufflers and manifolds from a 982, and I'm still trying to figure out what to do for a front PTO. The crankshaft is the wrong size for a 982 PTO to fit, and a 318 PTO may not fit with the dual mufflers installed, so I have to do some thinking. Also need to find an air cleaner housing and a few other odds and ends for it. I plan to make this a long-term build, and would like to keep the tractor for my collection. Eventually it's going to get rear ag tires, three-point/sleeve hitch for the plow days, and I also want to install power steering from a newer Cub tractor. I'll be making progress updates as I work on it little by little. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Having an Onan in that Cub is going to be sweet. Will give her a great sound. Nice work!!
Thanks!
Thx. for all the info. Love the tractors and looking for another...great video.
You know man, youre the one who made me want to get my grandmothers Weedeater Mower when she threw it away! Garden tractors are fun!
They sure are! Cheaper to own and easier to haul & store than farm tractors.
Man, it's crazy to look back and see just how far this thing has come since 2019
That's for sure. Still not 100% where I want it to be yet, but it's getting there. So far it's been a lot cheaper to build (and taken up a lot less time) than the 210 has.
@@MichaelTJD60 as clichéd as it sounds, it'll get there eventually, dual pedal swap waiting on the horizon
Tons of info in this vid, Great job, Thanks..!
Yep can’t beat those onan engines, the one that was in my tractor runs great after we put new wiring and new carburetor considering it was on fire. Thanks for the videos! Keep it up
Thanks man. Yours is a great runner, from the videos I've seen. I hope this one runs that good.
MichaelTJD60 thanks. Hopefully It is
That's a nice mower.
Looks great! Can't recall ever working on an Onan! Back in high school I remember scrapping like 4 or 5 new old stock Onan B43Gs, that were donated by Onan for demonstrations but never used.
Man that's a shame! The Onan long block engines bring big money. You can still buy an NOS short block too, it's cheaper than rebuilding one. Penn State gets new Honda and Briggs v-twin engines donated every year, but I don't have any interest in them.
That is looking awesome man! I can't wait to see that up at Plow days! I gotta get a 782/982 down the road. Thanks for the shout out by the way. I do really miss that 782 of mine but I don't miss that KT17! Lol
I wish you still had that thing lol
@@MichaelTJD60 too funny!!! LOL
Hi I found your channel like many others from the peterbuilt video however it’s the videos like this that made me subscribe. I’m from the uk where lawn tractors don’t seem to be such a popular thing but it’s great to watch your videos as you have such a good knowledge and understanding of what you’re doing and you are able to relay that in a way that for me at least makes it interesting and understandable so thanks and keep up the good work 🚜🛠👍🏻
Thanks for the nice comments Graham, always nice to hear from subscribers across the pond. I try to make my videos interesting for people who may not be familiar with the content. I figured this video would get a lot of disregard from people who were expecting a Peterbilt video.
Killer project! Thanks for the info last night on the 210s. I'm gonna binge watch today!
cute Little Tractor
Damn, big tractor, meaty ole Onan...makes me wanna get on and fix my ole 420!
I need the PTO clutch off of that. lol
Oh?
@@dannythedeerenut3897 Yep, it's the only PTO clutch that will work with the setup I am running. 318 clutch wont fit with the 982 mufflers installed and a 982 clutch won't fit this crankshaft.
Yes Another Cub, another year!
I just found your channel and this build this morning (9/5/22). I also just purchased a red 782 3 days ago. I didn't know that CCC made a Yellow 782 until now. At first I thought you made a error on the model number, but after doing a little digging I found out that there IS a Yellow 782. Awesome!! I also got the manual for my 782 tractor and the snow blower that came with it along with receipts from the original owner. He wrote on the manual the date that a brand new motor was installed. The tag reads 24303, although the last digit is very hard to read. But I think it's a "3". So, I believe mine is a Series II. Thanks for vid. I've learned a few things today. Thank you.
FINALLY ANOTHER VIDEO been waiting soooo long for a garden tractor update
Sorry for the long wait. I was trying to get a video done when I had the tractor home alongside the 210, but it just didn't happen.
Oh yeah! Waiting for the snow to come. Got my blade and chains on my '65 Massey ready to push snow out of my way!
I'm feeling pretty lazy this year, didn't even bother to change my JD 210 or 316 over to snow plow duty. They still have the mower decks mounted. But I'm away at school so it's not like I have time to plow snow anyway.
@@MichaelTJD60 Bless your heart! Ya know, you really work SO dang hard AND you put up these way nice videos that are not only entertaining, but informative as well. I've come to be "addicted" to your videos and am proud I subbed some time ago! It's been interesting and fun! Thanks so much from us all.
If I knew how, I would send you a couple pix! One of my oldie JD's sitting there waiting for me to put a new starter on it and that MF waiting on the snow. I've had a lot of plows over the years, but this lil tractor and blade has done as much, if not more than some plow trucks in the area! I've actually done my whole road AND the neighbor's drives!! You wouldn't believe the gifts I got just for doing something fun!! I..and I'm not even kidding...had people chasing me down the road, waving money just because I plowed their driveway!! Too funny!! Sweet of them though.
Please let us know how school is going. Some of us really DO care! 😀
@@billyboy3031 Thanks man I really appreciate the nice comments! Making and editing these videos is exhausting but I know how much everyone enjoys them. I've spent long hours plowing snow in my area, mostly because people see me passing by and would stop and ask me to clear them out really quick. I've even had to plow the streets in my neighborhood because the plow trucks did such a terrible job. Garden tractors are small but if you know what you're doing, you can push a lot of snow in a short amount of time.
@@MichaelTJD60 you're exactly right! Down "south" here (Shrewsbury), we get that weird snow! It's sometimes heavy and wet! Like plowing cement. My little tractors have done roads AND driveways, but I can also do sidewalks and people really like that!!
BTW, I have Onans on an old MONSTER Sears rider and a generator in an RV. Both run strong and have that sound! You know what I'm talking about! I have made it a point to collect Onans if I can find 'em because they are so strong and gobs of torque!!
Yer VERY welcome, but I say those things cuz it's true and there are THOUSANDS that'll back me on it! You are a man who will go far in this world. You are a "doer"!! A person not satisfied WISHING some things were better or different, you roll up your sleeves and get it done!! Kinda shows that us PA hillbillies aren't just about sippin shine and stickin our trucks in deep mud!! Although that's fun too!! Ain't it great loving trucks, yard tractors and livin in south central PA.!! Keep it comin our good friend, we're watchin!!
Great video. Try to keep the project, up to date, on CZcams. Looking forward to the next installment. Just this past fall, I finished a flyball spacer repair on a 1988 318 I acquired. Also have a Cub Cadet 1211 hydro with the magnum Kohler M12, that I just re-rebuilt. Looks very similar to the Cub your working on. Super clean. Love the old, solid tractors. On the p218, I was told don't forget the gasket to tin seal, on oil filter. Your probably more knowledgeable about that, than myself. Take care.
You bring up a good point Mark. That oil filter seal/gasket is very important because when not installed, it allows too much cooling air to escape the cooling fins. I have a new one in the package waiting to go on when I get the oil pan changed out and put oil in it. I wouldn't mind having a 1210 or 1211 Cub...never worked on a single-cylinder Magnum engine before.
Awesome cub!
Nice I'm just about to upload a winter drive of our C.C. XT1!
Nice video! You're doing an awesome job on that tractor!
Thanks man! It's coming along slow but steady.
MichaelTJD60 slow and steady wins the race haha.
Holy vanguard stash!!!!!
I was waiting for someone to comment that. lol. Half of those Vanguards are blown up.
@@MichaelTJD60
So.....stay away from the Vanguards?
@@mikejoyce3782 Depends on what you're using them for. They seem to be great engines for commercial mowers but I wouldn't want to put one in a garden tractor. They don't make torque like the opposed twin engines do. Same goes for a Kohler Command, Honda, etc.
@@mikejoyce3782 Those Vanguards probably weren't broken in and given proper maintenance by previous club members...I'm guessing they just took them out of the shipping crate, mounted them in their tractors, and ran the crap out of them from the get-go.
@@MichaelTJD60 I've got a vanguard in my cub cadet
Have a red 982 with an onan, almost 40 years old and still going strong. No engine rebuild either.
Love the 982's. Would like to add one to the collection someday.
Cub cadet is one hell of a mower but I ain't never had any luck out the hydrostatic ones
I think Deere built a better hydrostatic tractor back in the day, but the Cub hydro's aren't that bad...they even use the same pump. Someday down the road I would also like to build a 3-speed Cub with an Onan engine for pulling.
@@MichaelTJD60 I never knowed that the pumps would be the same. Thank you sir for the information. The older Cubs make the best garden tractor for pulling
Yeah it's funny how different brands share components. I have been into the garden tractor hobby for a number of years. Mostly older Sears and 80s & 90s Craftsmans and recently fell in love with the GE Elec-traks . The old GT6000 hydros from the 90s used a Hydro-Gear BDU-10 pump, which was also used on some of the 200 series Deere's of the same era. I just found out that Hydro-Gear still makes that pump and Cub cadet uses it on the top of the line Garden tractor! My family has a 94 GT6000 I fixed up to mow the hill that is too steep for the z turn. It's got 75lbs wheel weights and 50lbs of fluid in each rear and at almost 30 years old is still going with the original Magnum 18 engine. Now we have most companies putting junk k46's in an LT frame and putting 22" tires on it to fool uneducated consumers to think they are buying a GT, knowing full well that piss ant will give up right after the warranty is up.
Yes the aluminum rear ends have fine spline axles in them witch are a little but stronger. But since the it's aluminium it weighs a lot less. Witch weight is a key feature for doing really anything except mowing with the tractor.
I forgot to mention in the video, but the rear tires are loaded, and the tractor originally had wheel weights on it. I guess that made up for the lack of weight in the rear end. Having all the weight up front with the cast iron engine and aluminum rear wasn't one of Cub Cadet's better ideas.
nice to see and here from another onan fan have a 1862 with a p218 onan no hours on it and putting a loader up front have full hydraulicsfront and rear
That's awesome. I'm not a fan of anything newer than these 82 series Cubs but the 1862/1863/1864 series were nice tractors with the power steering and all. When I upgrade this 782 to power steering in the future I'm going to use the power steering parts from an 1862, if I can find one.
Love the suicide handle.....😄
A must-have on all my tractors! I hate steering them without one.
very nice job. and nice idea. I have a 1969 MTD 960 that I am putting a 10 hp yanmar clone into it.
Thanks. Sounds like a neat swap. I hope to get a diesel garden tractor one of these days...would really like to get a Cub Cadet 882 so my 782 has a companion.
@@MichaelTJD60 If you want to watch my progress, I do have a playlist on my channel.
Hey Michael.
nice update your from the JD 300-400 FB page, Onan FB page to and the cub fever FB page to I have seen that oil pan lol
Pretty much every JD/Cub Cadet page on Facebook actually. lol. I'm sure I've been driving all the guys on the Cub pages crazy with all my posts, but I can't learn without asking questions.
@@MichaelTJD60 i know you now we are Friends on FB never now I had you on CZcams until i seen your oil pan lol grate job keep it up
Thanks for the garden tractor video. That 782 is nicer than I thought! So what are you going to do with it? I'll have my 682 at PAPD 2020.
I bought a 46GT high-airflow deck to replace the 44" deck, so I will mow with it occasionally. But it will mostly be used for doing sleeve hitch work.
I worked on a tractor similar to that one. A check valve for the hydraulic deck lift broke and was dumping fluid everywhere. It was a big pain to get fixed
I'm guessing it was one of the relief valves on the hydro pump. I've had them leak before and yeah they do make a mess. You can take them out and ship them off to get rebuilt for around $40. There are a few private shops who can repair or rebuild them.
@@MichaelTJD60 ah I know what you're talking about cause i replaced those to but it was a check valve on the cylinder for the deck lift
@@shanerodgers1009 I wasn't aware they had a check valve on the cylinder. I'll have to look at mine and see if it has one.
@@MichaelTJD60 yes it was on if I remember correctly the front port on the cylinder. Yours might honestly be different
@@shanerodgers1009 I just checked, this one doesn't have any sort of check valve or lockout valve installed. I've never seen one on another Cub before either...I'd imagine someone put that on yours.
Ive always wanted to get an IH Cub Cadet but I have yet to see one on the west coast.
Yeah they don't seem to be too common out west. Garden tractors are all over Pennsylvania and the Cubs seem to be the most common here, so I was able to get this one pretty cheap.
I was lucky they guy I got my 982 from just put a new muffler on the left exhaust and I got the old one.
Definitely lucky there. The twin mufflers for these engines are not easy to find. I ended up having to buy a set of NOS mufflers from a Cub Cadet supplier for this engine as the used 982 mufflers I bought had a bunch of hairline cracks and couldn't be saved. I don't think there are any other NOS 982 mufflers out there anymore.
i used a jd driveshaft when i conected my engine
I considered doing that, but the only JD driveshaft that would have worked on the 782 would be a 317 driveshaft with the Onan stub shaft attached, and that stub shaft can be hard to find.
I recently bought a 317 for dirt cheap and it had the series 2 engine in it. Unfortunately the drive shaft had broke, but I was wondering if you had any tips or recommendations for me with that Kohler
Have you heard the engine run? I would try to get it running and see what condition it's in. If it needs a rebuild, I would suggest swapping in a Magnum 18 since it will be a direct bolt-in and all you need to do is run an extra wire or two. Same engine as the Series 2 but you get the solid state ignition which is a nice feature.
@@MichaelTJD60 I prefer solid state, points ignition can suck a straw
@@tinmanstavern Yeah points ignition can be a pain sometimes.
@@MichaelTJD60 does the 318 we was talking about have points?
@@tinmanstavern No, the P series Onan engines are electronic. But the B series used in the earlier 316/318/420 did have points.
MichaelTJD60 I have a onan question. I have a onan for a JD with electronic ignition. I want put it on my 982 cub. I know I have to change the oil pan & starter. But the fly wheel on it is to big as well. Can I take the smaller fly wheel off the original onan with points and put it onto the new one with electronic ignition?
An older B series flywheel will fit your P series engine, but you would have to change out all of the shrouds and tin work. You'd probably be better off just adding a spacer between the driveshaft flange and the flywheel. The flywheel does not protrude out as far on the newer engine.
@@MichaelTJD60 I can't use the bigger flywheel even if I wanted too. The P series starter with the solenoid on it will Not fit on my cub cadet. I should be done tomorrow with swapping everything from the one motor to the other. Thank you for responding.
@@MichaelTJD60 just wanted to let you know how it going so far. I just had it running for a minute. I put Rotella 15-40 Full synthetic oil in it. Being it's a Brand New NOS motor, how should I break it in? I had to use the new tin that came on the motor. The coil is different and couldn't use the older coil because of the metal block breather (not sure what it's called) that replaced the rubber ones on the P series. There's a gap around the smaller flywheel and the tin, but I wouldn't think that would be an issue. I also forgot to put the metal plate back on the outside bottom of the oil pan. Is the plate missing an issue?
@@speedbuggy7240 Per the Onan manual, it is recommended to get the engine hot by putting it under a good load for the first 5 hours of operation (enough to seat the piston rings and to properly "wear in" all of the new components), alternating between half throttle and full throttle - don't let it idle too long. Then change the oil after the first 5 hours, 25 hours, and 50 hours. I usually change the oil in this engine every 25 hours or so, but if you're not subjecting your engine to extreme environments all the time (hot/dry/dusty etc) then 50 hour intervals should be OK.
I never really liked the idea of the plate under the oil pan - it's supposed to help air flow between the fins on the bottom of the pan to keep the oil cool, but as soon as you change the oil for the first time and the oil drip residue sticks to the bottom of the pan (which is bound to happen anyway), it will attract all kinds of dirt and grease which will plug up those fins. Deere-spec Onan engines never used that plate under the oil pan - I don't think having one makes much of a difference.
Hmmmmmm... And I thought Tecumseh's were the big rod throwers.
I don't have much faith in Tecumseh's either. Was never crazy for them. This Kohler lasted 850 hours before the rod broke, so I'd say he still got his money's worth from it.
He did get his money for it. I have only ever seen one good Tecumseh engine, and I own it. This engine powers our old Craftsman pushmower, and the thing is a tank. It'll go through almost anything.
lol 6.1 million views on that ol peterbuilt video, nice.
Thanks, it's still pretty hard to believe.
Hey michael how do u feel about the cub cadet originals
I've thought about buying one just to mess around with, they're pretty simple tractors. The belt-to-shaft setup on them is kind of strange though....for that reason I'd probably go with a 70 or 100 instead.
How do you feel about the 1995 John Deere 345 series ?
I wouldn't mess with the 345's built before 1998...they had a plastic cam gear that was prone to failure between 500 and 1000 hours. They also had the fuel pump mounted above the muffler and because of that, were prone to fires. For the 1998 model year they changed from the 18 HP engine with the plastic cam gear to a 20 HP engine with a steel one, which is a much better design. And they relocated the fuel pump. So in my opinion, if you're looking for a 345, I would only consider the later ones.
2:42 What is that side panel almost hiding on the JD318?
Are you talking about the bent piece of steel behind it? That's the holder bracket for the snow plow angling rod. Lets you adjust the plow angle from the seat.
@@MichaelTJD60
I meant the engine side cover.
@@mikejoyce3782 Oh...I think you're just seeing the end of the muffler.
@@MichaelTJD60
This is a pic (not my machine) of the side cover that I have on my 318. Yours appears to be open on the entire end.
www.google.com/search?q=jd+318&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiP3NmVuu3fAhUObawKHeUrA-MQ_AUIECgD&biw=1385&bih=725#imgrc=mn532W3acMfxuM:
@@mikejoyce3782 The tractor is a 316 Kohler, not a 318. Side panels are basically the same ones used on the 300.
Hey mike do you still have the tins from the kohler ? If sitting on the machine i need the left side tin that mounts on the bottom and wraps around the front of the left cylinder .. there is one on each side it wraps from bottom upward and stops about halfway up..for cooling the cylinder in the front.. for some reason when JD installed this replacement engine , they didnt put that one on..dont know what their reasoning was but id like to have it ..so let me know if you have it ill pay ya with paypal for it and shipping ... maybe JD thought it cools better with out it dont know. Anyway let me know id really like to have it.. i live in central PA ...
I still have the KT17 but it's in my garage at home. Next week when I am home I will bring the engine back up to central PA with me. How far are you from State College?
MichaelTJD60 I am off exit 110 PA TP north on 219 about 30 miles , and 13 miles south of route 22 ... in Johnstown ,, how much are you asking for it ?
@@PhatboyHD88 Ah you're not too far from where I bought this tractor from. How about $35 shipped?
MichaelTJD60 sounds good email me your Paypal address and I’ll send it right away ,, my email is phatboyhd88@hotmail.com
Hey it’s warm here now. Should you not be outside dude
Where are you located? It's -5°F here in central PA with like -15°F wind chill.
MichaelTJD60 sorry forgot the “lol”. Your weather is like summer here. Northern Alberta Canada
@@MyFairbanks oh yeah I guess -5° is pretty warm for you guys up there lol. I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't for the wind chill.
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l'm so sieep
9:09 in Germany. Getting sleepy too
why power steering? keep it original :/
There's nothing really "original" about it anymore. The stock front axle and steering on this tractor are garbage. I'm trying to make it as close to a JD 318 as I can get it....power steering and dual brakes are on the list for the future.