THE MAGNUS ARCHIVES #71 - Underground
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2018
- MAG071 - Case #0172501 - Karolina Górka
Statement regarding a brief period trapped on the London Underground.
The Magnus Archives tells the tale of a late night journey that becomes somewhat oppressive despite the lack of usual transport bustle.
Starring: The Archivist - Jonathan Sims; Karolina Górka - Perdita Stott
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That train straight up said “it’s no fun when they accept death, you can go.”
Yeah it just went “bro ewww just go you ruined the fun :(“
Imagine you're some nightmare creature that has its fun scaring people and crushing them and then this one person just lays down and falls asleep.
"Okay, since I'm going to die, lemme just... lie down..." - I aspire to have this level of chill when breaking down in terror.
Well technically laying down was the smartest thing to do, as she occupied less space by that, but yeah looking at this from a different perspective is quite interesting 😂
i mean id kick her out too
at that point i'd kick her out too
considering I have the opposite of claustrophobia and can only sleep in small spaces to the point I had to put a tent over my bed I might be her
This girl is up there with dude who refused to open the casket in terms of memorable statements. She really said “guess I just die then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ “
Jon should have offered her a job then and there.
@@grogdocr no she seemed nice why would he do that
Who was the guy who refused to open the casket?
@@lepjagman episode... 2, i think? it was called “do not open,” one of my favorites. that guy was so big brain
@@lepjagman how could you forget the great and intelligent Joshua Gillespie. He the most intelligat person in this podcast
This girl's chillness was borderline supernatural."Do you still take the tube?" "Of course! I live in London" YeAh JoN of cOurSE
the absolute essence of a true londoner: no ghost train is gonna keep her from taking the tube
Her still taking the tube doesn't surprise me. I remember the 7/7 bombings, and being baffled by everyone using the tube the next day.
Pretty sure they said something similar when interviewed too
Being that she was covered in dust I think her acceptance of her entombed end may have changed her froma victim to a servant of the thing. The person with the shovel is likely to have had something to do with it too.
@ianmaier9563 I don't know about that. Specifically because all the entities we've met so far appear to not play nice with one another and there's some hints so far that the Magnus Institute is affiliated with one or maybe a couple of them based on their patrons, the tunnels, and the archiving team being unable to quit their jobs. Other than Jane, who gave a statement when she was halfway enthralled, and Mary Keay, who says she's not fully affiliated with one or another entity, we haven't seen any statements from anyone who claims full affiliation to one of the entities. I think this lady was really just that unlucky and then brushed it off like nothing lol
If you live in london you know there is almost no other way to get ariund except the tube haha
Im here relistening bc i now take this same line everyday lmao
Jon saying he shouldn't go back down to the tunnels until he asks for help made me so proud. Even if it's just one person, asking for help is a great step towards him TRUSTING people again.
Ask Tim! He’s a capable guy!
And he really could use some help.
I just hope he doesn't ask not!Sasha
Hope whoever he asks doesn't fuck things up irreperably
@@DrMDHyde he's bi!! He swings both ways! Violently! With an axe!!!
Ugh, I hate it when I accidentally take the ghost train whenever I go on the tube during those rare times I'm in London. Super annoying and really messes up my look. :/
oh same, it just ruffles your hair,, its really annoying
i love this girl and her matter of fact attitude its SO funny
Say what you like but She has got chill
I love that her reaction was: Ok, I'm just gonna lay down and die then
Honestly I thought the same thing. No way out. No way forward or back
Just lay down and save energy.
I was surprised when a second after thinking it she did the same.
"She left the place rather dusty" in the end after giving her statement. Yeah so this means that whatever happened to her is either permanent on some level or she isn't actually alive anymore.
I thought she just went to Magnus immediately after it happened
@@katemystery3788 but jon asked her if she still takes the tube and she replied of course it's london. so it can't right after...
Is she an avatar now?
It could be metaphorical, she left it dusty as in she hardly moved or disturbed anything there
@@katemystery3788 Statement was made on 25th January while the incident occurred on the night of the 6th January.
Carolina was all like, insert "guess ill die meme.png" here
she may not have been the smartest of all the speakers, but she is probably the Smartest one when it comes to seeing a hopeless situation
@@eliwhite6159 i don't think she did anything dumb, tbh? what else could she have done in that situation
I mean, sometimes struggling just makes things worse
this story really chilled me to the bone when jon asked "did you fall asleep?" and when he comented the place was rather dusty when she left. Because then all I could think was holly crap she died down there.
Maybe she's a ghost and not Martin lmao
Martin... are you a ghost?
Damn it I typed that before looking at the other reply
homegirl really went "well what tf am i supposed to do anyways" and took a nap huh
She's the type of apocalypse character we long for. Smart, blunt, kind and actually does what you're supposed to for the situation (even though she didn't know about it at the time) I love her.
Her and the guy in the second episode who didn't open the spooky coffin
@@eclipsicalbluestocking1182 omg, yes
Also that guy who just straight up moved to New Zealand
Yeah, remember what Jane said about how the hive hated the Archive because it stole fear from it?
Sorry, my brain cells are barely functional, but would you care to elaborate on that?
@@moonevangelista If you listen to her statement, Episode 32: Hive, she says she came to the Institute thinking it could help her because the Hive hated it. Hated how it diluted fears by compiling information about them.
@@belindaluna2067 I guess this is also the reason why worms were slower at the archive than in the tunnels
@@MarkWaner bro you are a genius
Karolina is the very epitome of our generation
What an absolute badass. "It appears that eldritch forces beyond human understanding have taken me away from normal reality and are now about to crush me to death. Hmm, okay. Do your worst."
Must have experience with long term illness. It's kind of a skill you pick up when you face helplessness, true helplessness, regularly.
I know many people have pointed out that Karolina is like that "guess I'll die that" meme but all I could think about that one John mulaney quote "you know, some days you're like this might as well happen, adult life is already so goddamn weird"
"WHAT KIND OF COKE HEAD RELATIVE ARE YOU? YOU SPENT IT ALREADY?"
I wonder if it was her bravery that kept her alive, or her dignity in facing her end that did it. Either way, it's hope. Or, as I edit after fully finishing the episode, if it was because she was "marked."
That not so much bravery as much as it is a complete lack of emotion
Yeah I'm sure this woman's in a similar situation to the one who got taken back to the hallway by Michael.
How do you know she was marked?
@@Somajsibere I don't know for sure, but she sees someone that might be it's avatar beforehand, she's not afraid afterwards and she leaves a lot of dirt behind. That all feels like marked and half taken to me.
@@matthewstephenson5781 I kinda think it let her go because she wasn t afraid to die and it lost interesr. She left dirt because, I assume, it just had happened at the time of the recording.
her delivery of "of course i do. I live in London" is delightful
Oh poor man.. Last thing he did was fight with his son. :(
Lol my first thought when I heard there's a person living in the tunnels was "Jon, you should leave some food out for that person".
I mean, regardless of whether it's safe or not to try to befriend an ominous tunnel presence, I think leaving homemade sandwitches every now and then as a sign of peace might in best case earn you this person's gratitude or trust. In worst case, I dunno, they might not like cheese in their sandwitches and not eat it. Bribe them with food and earn yourself an ally for once, Jon.
Lol I love this idea! 😄
In general, I like the idea of Jon just leaving little snacks out for some unknown tunnel being, hoping to curry favor with it.
But also, having knowledge of who’s in the tunnels makes this even funnier somehow. 😆
Lol yeah
I'm further into the series now and I know what happens
But my point still stands
Leaving food would still be a good idea
Błękitna Kotka Agreed. A friend never hurts. And he might have gotten that crucial information a little sooner if he did! lol 😊
This is some next level thinking right here
ANIME FRIENDSHIP !!!!
Kinda feels like whatever trapped her down there got bored because she stopped being scared? In which case I'd be... Well, not dead. Still trapped. Ugh.
idk though, could be misinterpreting
(and no spoilers please, first listen)
a lot of these things feel like entities playing with their victims, i think you might be right
@cak01vej
I mean there are often two people (or more) in these stories, and usually only one dies (like with the cave-diving sisters or the urban explorer photograph and her brother-in-law)... They need a witness, otherwise the fear dies with its victim
Macabre Citrus all the statements we have require someone to survive long enough to give them so there’s also a survivorship bias. I’m sure there’s plenty of times no one escapes, just that we don’t hear of it.
Polish name. No surprise she was so chill; she's got badassery in her veins, even if she grew up in Britain, judging by the accent. Plus this episode is a rather accurate description of how public transport works in Poland, so yeah. Nothing new.
I was looking for this comment xD
@@kostusia
Oh no it really is that bad ?
@@macabrecitrus2127 yes xD we have really good net and very awful buses and other vehicles. U never know if its haunted or simply just like that xD
@@kostusia
Oh my xD
In France they're just almost always late and overcrowded, but no haunting for the moment lol
Typowa jazda PKS'em
Anyone else feel like it might be Not!Sasha living in the tunnels? Jon's mention that she's been staying later than necessary seems pretty conveniently timed, and there is also the fact that she just happened to find him when he was lost down there after hours. I also think Jon is too meticulous to have left the trapdoor open like she claimed.
This lady is the single most composed statement giver we’ve witnessed so far. The guy with the coffin also mantained a level head, for sure, but this woman is even composed in giving her statement and living her life normally afterwards. I love that she just lay down and accepted her death-that’s probably me in such a situation, lol. Tube lady for the win !!
i really like her she was just so calm and even after it all happened and john asked if she still took the tube she was like yeah of course.
Well, going by the comments, even though this girl is probably 'Marked' by whatever trapped her because of how Dusty she is when she gives her recording, it does somewhat confirm that most of these things gain power from fear. She's one of the few who have just accepted her fate with no fear and apparently it allowed her to survive.
Karolina passes the gen z vibe
"guess I'll die"
fr she realized it seemed like a hopeless situation so she just takes a nap
Everyone else: would try to escape until they die
Karolina: I’ll just lay down and *die*
broke my heart to hear that the poor old man was not only claustrophobic he also died before he could make up with his son
The buried really been flexing these last few episodes.
The buried?
this one hits differently when you’re listening to it whilst on the tube 😭
Ah, the deepest horror for any London commuter; having to get on the sorts of trains we have up north
Wow she really just said
"Guess I'll die😗✌"
when jon said that he is sure that something is living in the tunnels the first thing i imagined was not!sasha just living there,,,
Not!Sasha: emerges post-nap from the tunnels, covered in dirt, ready to start the workday
Jon: Oh, hello, Sasha. Aren't you looking very unsuspicious this morning, as usual.
@@Amalgemotion damn
same
I bet she sneaks into the tunnel to meet up with her ✨bOyFrEnD✨ 😅
i have a feeling that these monsters are actually beings who crave for fear, maybe they’ll leave someone if they have no fear.
I think they are embodiments of fear. Which begs the question, are there embodiments of other instincts or modes of existence?
SEASON 5 SPOILERS
Oh my god you just predicted Georgie how did you do that
I love her. She just didn’t care and accepted it. Though it seems like she’s still affected. I don’t know what entity followed her but I know it has something to do with claustrophobia. The fear of being buried and fear of tight spaces. She didn’t even care that the train was getting compressed. I wonder....
Finally a non-hostile fresh statement taken on sight
This is one of the scariest ones. Can't help thinking about the poor man, he must've been terrified to death.
When I realized that the tunnel was literally caving in on the car I started screaming in my head for her to go back
I think that her lack of fear was why she survived.
Entities like fear and she just simply accepted her Faye in the most logical was.
She gave them no food
So now we've had a dude getting lost in the air, one nearly getting lost in water and now a girl more or less getting lost in earth. I don't remember if anyone got lost in fire although there have been those fire-y incidents but if not, then there's probably gonna be one right?
Also the fact that, according to Jon, she left the place "dusty" is quite ominous
These monsters seem to give up whenever someone goes/acts unconscious 👀👀👀
I think it’s due to the lack of fear in those moments. As soon as the victim finds a calm state of mind, the entities lose interest since they’re not being fed anymore. :)
I got the impresstion she actually died down there or something.
@@TheNitpickChick yep once they throw everything they got at you and if they didn't feel like killing you, no point in continuing
I believe this episode is slightly out of order in the "The Magnus Archives - The Complete Collection" youtube playlist. Its at position 69, instead of 71. [Nice!] Just in case anyone hadn't caught that, and wanted to fix it. :)
Thanks for spotting that! We've updated it now and the play order should be fixed. Dang gremlins...
Skablins...the mischievous, but well-meaning cousin of the gremlin
@@RustyQuilli think it's still out of order ^^'
Love this girl, she realized that she'd probably die and she went "snnnrnrrrr mimimimi"
homegirl really went "guess I'll die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
At 6:51 rn and I love this girl with all my heart
karolina is the embodiment of the gen z spirit
I've never related so hard to a statement giver before haha
The whole time I was like, "same"!!
I love Karolina.
Also: Jon, Thank You for FINALLY admitting you need help -even if it's only in regard to the tunnels-
That moment when you fall asleep on a supernatural train so relatable omg yes I do that too
Previous guy was afraid of death. This girl straight up accepts her fate. Ironically, he's probably dead, while she lives.
huh... she "Guess I'll Die"d so hard that the thing just let her go... fascinating.
Wasn't there something else underneath St Pancras? I need a pin board to keep track of everything
A lot of people are acting like she is the guy from Joshua from episode 2, but consider the fact that unlike nearly everybody else she is completetly damn near unfaced by it and Jon comments that she is dusty. Which is weird considering that its nearly three weeks since it happened to her.
She has been marked by her experience.
(no spoilers, please, first listen)
This episode is furthering my theory that these entities crave fear, and those who don't fear it survive, but not in the regular sense... Jane P was scared at first, but it slowly turned to fascination, and eventually, she became one with it. Mary is the same way. She never feared any of it. She was fascinated, but she didn't become one with any particular entity because she said she didn't like to be tied down. I feel like the girl from this one might become one with the claustrophobia soon or something because from the vibes of it all, she isn't one with it yet. The ones who combine with the entities or become agents of it somehow have this unnatural understanding of it, more so than any regular person. Her statement doesn't have any noticeable obsessions with claustrophobia, nothing that gives the impression she's interested in the topic philosophically.
She just got wrapped up in it somehow, with no real connection.
Perhaps this is how Mary is allowed to be, she doesn't have an obsession with any fear or entity in particular, she just isn't afraid of any of them, allowing her to survive and encounter more of them. Though I have another theory that she is actually an agent of whatever the eyes are.
All in all, this episode is really making me think about why certain people survive and others don't.
aW, THIS WAS RECORDED on my birthday :)
the buried really has a hard time killing people with the coffin guy who refused to open it and this lady
Honestly the freakiest thing abt this statement is that there's so much dirt and grime, I'm so glad I carry a mask and hand sanitizer with me now, I'd hate to get stuck on a train like that just breathing in that stale dirty air 🤢
Nice little detail, the very quiet cracking when she mentioned him looking up and his neck making noise, I almost thought I was hearing things until I went back a few seconds. The level of detail on these audios is incredible and I can definitely see why this series is so well-liked
St. ... Pancreas?
England be like that
Perhaps a callback to Mr. I Remember The Feel Of A Pancreas
No, It's a St Pancras, actually.
She is so detached that I suspect she might be one of not!them somehow
Maybe not cuz when the not!them records their voices, like Not!Sasha and Michel, there was always a static in it.
@cak01vej I just reached the latest update and oh boy I was wrong, thanks btw
@cak01vej I'll keep my mouth shut, for now. Oh but do tell me if you've finish listening to it, I wanna share my thoughts with you. Happy listening (≧▽≦)
Nah she's just typical gen z
Goddamnit, St. Pancras was one of G.G. Scott’s works, no wonder it was a Buried domain.
Holy crap, that's some really good detail!
GAWD
THIS SERIES IS JUST SO SMARTLY WRITTEN
EVERYTHING JUST TIES SO NICELY TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING IS CONSTANT FORESHADOWING AND JUST
GHAAAAW
I LOVE IT
Carolina: Guess I'll just lay here and die.
Creature: Wut. Where's the fun in this? >:/ LEAVE!!!
Also, I'm happy Jon is accepting help. :D
A guy with a shovel at 2:58? Could it have been?
DIG
polish girl, haunted train... god, why does this sound like something that happened to me.
im a student, and in winter last year i took a train to my hometown as winter break started. i woke up too early and had nothing to do that day so i just decided i'd arrive at the station early and chill there. i checked the board of arrivals and saw that my train was to arrive at a different platform than normal. granted, changes in schedule are not uncommon in poland, so of course nothing out of the ordinary here. i headed for the platform 40 minutes before i needed to and as i reached the top of the stairs, i saw a train very slowly arriving. it was my train, as indicated by the electronic display on the door. just 40 minutes early.
suffice to say i was very confused. it was probably its first stop but why 40 minutes? maintenance in the middle of the station?? i was alone on the platform, save for one seated person that appeared unbothered by the early arrival. probably waiting for another train then. i decided to wait inside my car to sit without having to worry about the time. so i entered. there was no one inside, obviously, but it didn't help my growing confusion. that's when i noticed all of the electronic displays indicating the passenger's destination were turned off... save for mine. my display was occasionally blinking while displaying only "boot V4 57:24:22:39:92".
now that... was unnerving. combined with the rest of the picture even more so. but what a good story it was! i took a picture of the electronic error/boot message, sat down in my seat and shared the story with my friends. not only because heck yes ghost train but also... so they would know where to look for me if anything happened. better safe than sorry, heh. but soon enough other passengers began to arrive and i reached my hometown without delays :) (yes, yes, i know, the most unrealistic thing - timely polish transport. my cities have probably the only connection in the entire country that works reliably istg)
anyway so yeah i totally get the statement giver's uneasiness around the time of boarding.
I'm so proud of Jon for actually waiting until he gets help this time, good on him
Jon: someone's living down in the tunnels, I wonder who it could be
Gee, I don't know Jon, maybe it's the girl that's been super fucking weird for weeks right under your nose, who you MET in the tunnels where she weirdly shapeshifted, I wonder if it could be her Jon
I don't have claustrophobia at all, but while being sick and having a blocked nose this hits twice as hard
Oh this is where the polar express goes in the summer
So like is she possessed? She just seems so chill "oh yeah lemme just lie down and die- oop somehow i'm alive! That wasn't traumatic at all- Imma keep riding this train." and just dragging around dirt still??
The way out of a lot of this liminal places seems to be kind of just calming yourself in some way (sometimes by accepting death). Like the dude stranded in space, or the traveler in the crowd-market or even customs person in the box. Just don't fight it, calm yourself until the thing is tired of you. They sure be grey-rocking them supernatural spaces.
i loved her matter of fact attitude.... told statement so quick n neat ...
Tma goal achieved : listen to this episode while in the tube
I think about this episode every single time I get on the Victoria line 😢
if jonathan meant it literally when he said she "left the place dusty" i think she definitely didn't manage to just "escape" the train without any consequences, it sounded like she's been marked or smt
"Someone is living in the tunnels."
Oh if only you knew Jon.
scuse me
scared first time listener noises
first time listener, i am so scared and hyped
Oh honeys....
The first time listener are all on edge. You are all making it sound like satan is down there. Knowing this podcast though it's probably worse
Moral of the story: sleep if a demon tries to crush you
1:30 " (saint) pancreas "
that made me giggle for some reason. xD
My theory from this episode and what we know so far:
So umm I guess there were more entities than what I listed in a previous episode's comment section.. This episode is about the underground, about basically being buried alive, so it sounds like this entity is the same as the one with the two sisters going cavediving. Only difference is, how the witness survived in each case. In the cavediving episode, I don't really get how the witness survived. I think it's most likely because of the "take her not me" phrase being said over and over again, though we don't know which one of the sisters was shouting it, since the witness said she could hear her sister somewhere so they were in a distance that both could be heard in the video if they were shouting. In this case, the witness escaped by not letting her being controlled by her fear and just accepting that what is to come will come. Now, this makes me think abit about two cases:
1) in the episode were we learn first about Prentiss, the witness was a male who slept with the woman who was attacked by Prentiss and in the end the woman dies and he burns his apartment. Now, after his statement he disappears, the Institute can't find him for a follow up, but in the episode where Michael contacts Sasha about helping them, the hive/worm person that Michael shows to Sasha and lets her kill on her own so she'll know that the CO2 is the one way to kill the worms is that man witness from the first episode of Prentiss. Which means that, originally, he was meant to be a victim of the worms, like the woman he slept with, but something happened in his case and instead he became a host of the hive entity himself.
2) Michael and that real estate woman who left the spiral maze but then was lured inside of it again. If we take in consideration the (1) I mentioned above and what happened here, I believe that Michael was once a human who was lured into the spiral maze in order to be a victim of it, but because, just like our witness in this episode, he decided to let it all be what it is and accepted his fate of dying there and didn't even try to do anything to protect himself from it anymore, he in the end became a part of the spiral entity itself.
And I think that is what happened right here too. The witness didn't escape it, but instead "passed" a test of the ground/buried entity that she is compatible with it in order to become a part of it. And this theory does make sense for alot of cases were the witnesses are facing the entities alone but survive; in some cases it was hope but in some it was acceptance that made their supernatural journal end. And now you think about the cases before and see some tiny differences between them that make a big difference for the end result: the astronaut who stopped drinking and eating in order to die and the guy in that container ship that was left alone until a fog took him and his corpse being found 6 months later while his body was in the water for only 5 days; they were both encountered by the loneliness entity, and in first case the victim tried to die, which led to him escaping it, while in the second case the victim was found dead instead of just missing, so maybe he failed the test and was killed or he decided to take his life in order to end his torture. So, there is a difference between accepting the death that is coming your way and wanting to end your torture so much that you end up trying to end your life yourself. This theory though does make me worry about the witness in the "do not open" episode, Joshua.. did he also "passed" the test and became a part of an entity..? I mean, he mentioned alot of times that all that was happening to him became his everyday routine and he became used to it and kinda numb about it, something like he got used to the fear so it wasn't anymore something for him he couldn't handle.. is he, umm, is he okay..??
This girl was so funky lmao she just straight up accepted her death and fell asleep bahahaha. Also… could it be Sasha living in the tunnels??? Idk it’s a hunch that’s probably wrong, but I can’t think of who else it could be
Remember that one cult episode where the girl's friend said the girl was 'feeding it very well' and the only notable thing was how scared she was? And the Jane Prentis 'it steals fear'? Im guessing these events are at least some of them feed on distressing situations for people.
I hope we get another episode with her in it.
I think I have claustrophobia now 😃 always gotta trust tma to give you new fears 10/10 highly recommend
I knew even though Karolina has polish name, the actress isn't, bc I can always clearly understand my ppl speaking English, while British natives are a challenge to understand
shes so chill about the fact she was going to be crushed to death
Idk why I decided to listen to this while on the train 😂
hey this statement was given on my birthday! :D
Edit (vague spoilers i guess): I think i would have survived this too. From the moment she said she couldn't get out of there, i thought "just lay on the ground, close your eyes and try to relax! Stop feeding it, that's the best way to get out of there alive!" This might seem suspiciously specific to you, but i swear this is exactly what i thought. It's my first time listening, i just knew about the feeding thing.
this lady gives zero shits and I deeply respect that
Weird theory but what if it is Sasha living in the tunnels? It would make a little sense
This girl has no fear. Just chill.
We need more if her in horror movies.
"He was holding a shovel". Hezekiah Wakely?
My audio driver broke mid-sentence (did that BVVVVVVVVT sound), got spooped for a second there o.o
Mysterious comment of the day
Buried
the buried. i guess thats also lost johns cave. Originally i thought that was the spiral or the fairchild thing of distorting space, but it make more sense as an opposite force, making space smaller.
Y'all in London really have a station named Pancreas?
Yep.
It's not Pancreas, it's Pancras.
I'm hungry
People saying K is brave, but it could just as easily have been a Bury your head in the sand reaction. ;)
"Only last night I found myself lost
by the station called King's Cross
Dead and wounded on either side
You know it's only a matter of time"
Tessa and Karolina just like
Like this happened to me and it paranormal ig bye