5 Tools I Would NEVER Buy Again!
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Made my own mobile bases. Just get the wheels from AMZ and used angle iron and welded them up. Also have some made of wood for my small equipment like table saw and mitersaw
Bear crawl from Grizzly is a good option. I have this for my cabinet saw and have no issues.
FYI Incra makes a set of screws that have handles on it for the 1000SE and I replaced them years ago. NO complaints now and it is BY FAR the best miter gage I have ever used and is SUPER accurate. I am 73 and have had a cabinet shop hobby for 50yrs now and this is a massive improvement and there is a ton of accrssories for this gage.
It would be really nice if they included the screws and handles you mentioned, with the miter gauge without having to spend a few extra bucks.
I have the Incra 1000SE miter gauge and use it all the time.
I really like my Incra fence. When you adjust the stop block, just push with your thumbs to get it to clear the 32-tpi alignment strip.
Shop Fox mobile base is the way to go. I use it on my full-height Jet drill press, and zero issues.
Great video I see your points on each one of those tools. I like that you weren’t down on the brand you were just down on their particular tool. I have been involved in making tools in the machine industry and sometimes the tools I make just don’t work very well. I throw them out and I start over. Even the best companies come up with a dud every once in a while
It's awesome to see how much your shop has grown from a humble garage with cobbled together shelves to this.
I have a Incra 1000SE in fact I have two incra miter gauges. I think you're using the 1000se incorrectly. Yes, it could be a bit cumbersome to move the shop stop but with the SE I set one stop on the fence extension and the other on the main fence. ***side note*** I'm using the SE on my Incra Miter Express. If I need to create a stop I usually will ONLY loosen the single screw on the main fence to slide the extension in or out. Maybe it's just not for you but, I find them to be very nice for my workflow. I can't disagree with you on the clunkiness of moving the stop though, Best of luck 👍
I agree that he is not using it correctly. I don't know why all the screws on the top were loosened to move it. The screws on the top of the stop are normally not used unless extreme accuracy of less than 1/64" is required and that is not usually the case in woodworking.
I use the Incra 1000 and love it. A bit cumbersome at first for the reasons you stated. After some use it became quite easy to set. Also have the V27 and switch between the two. The 1000 is incredibly accurate for repeat cuts. I keep an L shaped allen wrench in one of the heads on top, so it's always there.Your opinions are valid and well presented.
The incra 1000 hd was actually cheaper than the se price when i bought mine. I like the price and the product
I bought the Bora PM-3550 mobile base. I wanted one in which all 4 wheels pivoted. It has a 1500 lb capacity. I use mine for an old 900 lb bandsaw. It works great. I built a 2.25" thick wooden platform inside the base for the saw to rest on. The Bora is kind of expensive at $232, but it's worth it to me to eliminate the headaches of the cheaper ones. Having 4 pivoting wheels is key to being able to navigate the base to exactly where you want it located.
I have what must be a cheaper version of the Bora base for the same Rikon saw. Two wheels pivot. It works well. Looks kinda like that Jet base.
@@willameredith I mounted a Bora base (3/4" ply) under my Euro style 14" Delta band saw. dual pivot. Love it.
You may want to revisit the instructions for the Incra 1000. The fence extension doesn't work like you showed. Also, if you need an odd angle that is immediately repeatable, nothing is better. You can go back to any angle or length with no guessing no matter how many times you've moved the fence. Granted, most don't do work that fine or exacting, but for repairing handmade antiques it's perfect. Or remaking a piece you messed up doing angled, double dovetails.
@@donhill1825 Like most precision tools, it's tedious until you're used to it. Incra has some old videos that do a decent job of explaining how their tools work. The extension ruler should slide out shortest to longest measure and reference to the edge of the main fence.
@@donhill1825 the part that he does wrong is he removed the two bolts to slide the extension out when he should have just removed the one bolt that attached to the main body. And I have a magnet on the bottom of the saw stop rail and that's where I keep my hex key dedicated to the Incra 1000. How often do you need to cut long pieces that the extension will need to be readjusted again and again? I love mine and use it on every project. He just need to learn how to use it properly lol...
@@Madebyduc Well, he could learn the complicated tool, or he could find a simpler one that meets his needs. Same with any tool, whether it's a kitchen appliance, a vehicle, lawn care tools. Some folks do work that requires special capabilities from our tools, others just need the basics.
@@Kurgosh1 who buys an expensive tool only to find out he doesn't read the manual to find how it works...? and no, it's not like with any tools or vehicle. You buy a car and don't know how to drive? That's just plain lazy to be honest... he just lose credibility by doing "reviews" like this b/c it's going to convince others to not purchased it when he haven't done his due diligent and test it out/learn how to use it properly first
@@Madebyduc lol, he wasn't doing a review he was explaining why "he" doesn't like it. What you need to do with a tool and how it was designed don't always work together. He doesn't like it an he explained why. YMMV
For the incra, get some “lever bolts”, that’ll give you tool-less adjustment. Incra should just provide those with the tool.
Thank you. Have mine coming on Tuesday, this is super helpful.
Do you have a link for the ones you mentioned?
Absolutely, but get metal ones, or make some. The plastic stuff strips. For some reason manufacturers put plastic lever nuts on circ saws and they strip out on every one, requiring you to find a way to lock your saws depth setting. It really sucks in the middle of a work day to have to stop and fix a tool.
There is only one bolt that needs a tool on that fence to extend it. This guy did every wrong that could possibly be done wrong. His idiocy is discouraging people from buying one of the best miter gauge systems on the market.
Good video, Matt. Appreciated the way you qualified your opinions. Not everybody’s use case is the same, so the same tool can perform differently for each of us. But you provided good information to make an informed purchase decision. Love the content.
He literally did everything wrong when trying to adjust the incra miter gauge. He is an idiot!
I have had the JDS Accumiter miter gauge, the predecessor to the Jessem version for over 25 years now. Absolutely love it. It is heavy, but repeatably locks rock solid and is very easy to adjust. As it was the first of its kind, it didn't come with the miter bar, so I measured my saw slot and dug around in the selection of bars until I found one that accurately fit my saw - no adjustment needed,
My favorite mobile base is the Rockler All- Terrain base. It has larger wheels than most mobile bases and rides very smoothly. It is used on my 500+ lb Grizzley jointer and you move it with one finger. Set the locks and it is stable. Love it.
I just bought and downloaded the instructions. Very nice job putting them together. I've been wanting to build a crosscut sled, but have not found one that I like. This one is a clear winner. Especially the Safer Cross Cut Sled. I'll be building it this coming weekend, and this will replace my need to use my compound miter saw for most of my cuts. While my CMS is a solid tool, Bosch, I don't find I need to make compound cuts that much. In fact, I am kicking myself for selling my Delta/Rockwell Radial Arm Saw. It was perfect for working with larger material, and you didn't have to worry about making changes. I know a ton of woodworkers consider the RAS to be unsafe. That was not my experience. With any power tool, you must be vigilant and careful what you do with it. I'm back to looking for a RAS so I can sell my Bosch CMS.
Incra Miter 1000SE, fantastic device, had mine twenty years, set it only twice, as I dropped it once and knocked it off a bit.
Mine is ultra-reliable, super accurate versatile and bombproof.
My only complaint is the sharp edges on the extruded parts could have been tumbled or de-burred.
Bora's base works well. It uses four corner fixtures with wheels and a sheet of plywood (not supplied). I have found these and similar bases to be quite functional.
Great review, Matt! My two cents about the mobile base, I don't recommend the Bora mobile base. I got one for my new Jet bandsaw. It's okay, it didn't collapse like the one in your shop and when you engage the wheels it rolls okay. But when you lock it down it's very spongy and causes the saw to wobble a lot. Let us know if you find a better one.
I have the Incra 1000HD love it my tool is in a holder at the end of table. I don’t adjust it that frequently for using the wrench to make a difference.
I use Harvey's mobile base. It's basically the four corners where the wheels etc are and you provide a piece of plywood anywhere from 3/4" to 1-1/2" thick. I used to 1/2" pieces that I laminated together to make a 1" ply for my 300 lb. bandsaw. Works great.
I bought the Grizzly mobile carts for everything in my shop (bandsaw, 10" tablesaw, 8" jointer ect) and I've been very happy with them. They are rock solid and pretty easy to get set up, even by myself. They are still going strong even though I bought the first one about 7 years ago. I highly recommend their stuff.
I bought several Grizzly mobiles bases and have been extremely disappointed! The do not roll smoothly, especially when pushing, I think because the wheels are undersized. Also, due to the size of the wheels, they catch and get caught up on the various cracks in the cement, that are in the floor of my workshop. Waste of money and very frustrating to try to use. I replaced them all with the Rockler All Terrain Mobile Base. I am so happy I did! I even use one, with extra extensions, for my twine Unisaw setup, and it still rolls flawlessly. The only drawback I have found with the Rockler All Terrain Mobile Base is when changing the blade on my Grizzly G0513ANV 17" bandsaw. The wheels, unfortunately, partially block the lower bandsaw blade door from opening all the way. It is a compromise as I can roll my Grizzly 17" bandsaw easily anywhere I want. I also have one for my Grizzly G0634xp (a tool I highly regret buying) my 1959 1HP Unisaw and 1983 3 HP Unisaw twin setup, my 1948 Dewalt MBC Radial Arm saw and my Kitagawa drill press on a stand. I have been extremely happy with them. They really do work well off the pavement. For several years I had the Dewalt RAS in a shipping container at the Back to Natives Nursery, a nonprofit charity I worked for. And would pull it out to build projects in various locales at the Nursery, which was not paved. No problem on sand or gravel. And smooth on Cement. Rockler even sent replacement bolts for the adjustment side bars, when I was building the extensions for the twin Unisaw setup!
I have Grizzly mobile bases and I tolerate them. I agree about the casters. I will say they work and they are stout enough.
I use a Grizzly base under my cabinet saw. About 25 years old now...never an issue.
BORA bases are GREAT! Very happy with mine. Just make sure to get the right one for your use, both as far as weight, size and if it’s 2 wheel or 4 wheel (I believe they offer 2 or 4 wheel flip options for all models, but at least for some). I did not want the 2 wheel flip for my table or mitre saws since I did not want to risk pushing some lumber and the tool rolling. But it would not matter on something like a band saw since it’s heavy and you don’t push on the wood much. They also offer extender struts to lengthen the side(s) if needed which I had to do for my rectangular shaped Evolution mitre saw (also a super tool BTW).
The Kreg setup blocks are gold. Best recommendation you’ve ever made!
We all have regrets about something we purchased. Thanks for the info.
I have the Bora PM-1050 from Rockler and it works great. Holds my porta-cable bandsaw nicely.
I build my own mobile bases out of plywood using dual locking casters. This way I can control the table height (I try to make all my tools have a 36" table height so I can use any work surface I have as an infeed or outfeed table), and give the base a little extra width to ensure extra stability. I think some folks think casters would make the tool move when using it, but I usually only lock one, or two at the most of the wheels to have a perfectly stable base.
I recommend the Grizzly Bear Crawl for a mobile base. Have one for my table saw and love it.
I like and agree with your points of issue with the products. Great Review. Thank you, Sir.
Shop Fox (Grizzly) makes a really nice mobile base for heavy "stationary" tools. I have my 14 inch Jet band saw on one, and my Reliant 6 inch jointer on another. I have zero issues with them buckling like your Wen did, and they shipped with all parts needed. In fact, I had a few nuts, bolts, and washers left over. I am constantly moving both of these tools around either for use, or because I need the space to do something else, and I have NEVER had any issues with them.
I love my Incra miter gauge, and I believe you are not using correctly. For instance, the stop block setting does not require the screw driver at all... and the extension of the fence is only one screw away... no two. Nice to see that we are all different, and have different experiences... to each their own, I guess.
agreed, i have the unit and it is the 3/16 allen on the right that is loosened for the extension. once you have done the initial set up/calibration for extension bar, you don't need to touch it again. just loosen the bolt, pull it out and read the scale and tighten it up. the stop block is simply the two white twist knobs. i like the tiny indents or teeth that they lock into which means it won't move as you tighten it. i don't use this everyday or that often, but it is a good go to when needed like a lot of tools are
I love mine as well. Was definitely worth it for me. I also use the clasp as a stop block so I can repeat smaller cuts.
I agree 100%! Mine has been great and I don't even use a crosscut sled anymore because it's just more of a pain to get out and my Incra is so accurate.
I agree with the others. I love my Incra miter gauge. It’s one of the best purchases I ever made for my table saw. Maybe a close second to my Microjig Grripper pushblock.
I do think Incra could provide a fastener that doesn't require a tool for extending the fence.
I have a Grizzly mobile base under my band saw. Have been using it over 7 years and have never had a problem with it. Was easy to assemble and remains rock solid.
Probably it's just because I'm a lot older than you and have been dealing with problems a lot longer, but I could solve a bunch of those problems you're having. Mostly it goes to show that expensive isn't always best. Great video, thanks.
Some of my tools have custom mobile bases, I hadn’t moved them in several years (partially due to illness) very high quality urethane wheels the tires came off or shredded, unless you move your heavy tools often stay away from these wheels. I’m replacing them with a hard rubber or hard plastic. The HTC bases were quite good 15 - 20 years ago don’t know now they were modified for my lathe using perforated angle or heavy duty shelving uprights and bolting the bases to the machines.
Matt I just found your You Tube videos and I have learned a lot about woodworking from you.There is always something to learn from watching You Tube videos and yours is one of the best. As far as this video portion on mobile bases I have a Grizzly 1023 table saw and a Rikon 17" band saw both on the Grizzly mobile base for over 10 years and have absolutely no issues at all.
Thanks 👍
The mobile base from Grizzly is what i have for my cabinet saw. Im sure it works for other tools, its adjustable. Works super so far.
I also use the bases from grizzly on cabinet saw plus drill press and band saw. had 5 years and no problems.
I have the Grizzly mobile base on my cabinet saw from Grizzle and I ordered a set of the just the base corners for my CNC router setup.
I have my 5 hp jointer/planer combo, about 600 pounds, on the Grizzly mobile base. Works great.
I use a sliding combination square instead of setup blocks, if need be drill bits are another option saving me 20-60 bucks. I ended up going with the incra v27 instead of one with a for flexibility of different things but I find a sled to be the best choice.
That Incra mitre gage is great. I've been using it accurately for 15 years
Don't confuse user error with a bad tool.
see 0:20 again
@@731WoodworksNo. The tools don't work differently, you are just stupid and doing EVERYTHING wrong. This is 100% user error.
Hey man just wanted to say thanks, picked up a new jobsite saw and the Incra V27 today (both on sale!), starting a (very) small weekend warrior level shop out of the garage, and your videos have been super helpful so far. You just got a new subscriber, cheers!
Glad the videos help, Adam. Thank you
That was a great video.
The frustration of missing parts. I know it well.
The thing I'm looking for is being able to quickly select an angle. If I used a sled then I might as well use the basic gauge that came with the saw. Adding tape made it snug in the slot and I can use a tool to check the angle. Presumably I'd have to do the same on a sled. But with something like the Incra I'd be able to quickly move to a number of common angles.
Almost my entire shop is on a Bora mobile base it’s awesome Bora Portamate Mobile Base Kit PM-1100. My workbench is on the bora workbench casters and I have no problem moving it. The only problem I have had is if the base gets super big, with alot of weight the 3/4” plywood I used will bow. Then it will drag but this can be fixed by adding a brace of 2x across it to beef it up.
For the Rikon bandsaw just get the Rikon mobility kit for your aw model. , super easy to put on, is simple, it fits and works well
You don’t need the Allen wrenches to adjust the stop block, I always get great results with the knobs only. I admit that’s not the greatest process, but for all of the other benefits it’s a trade-off I’m OK with
Exactly. I'm not sure if he didn't read the instructions or just went with his gut but he is using the whole thing wrong and making it way more complicated than it really is. The 2 screws on top are specifically for the micro adjustment. You only need to do the thumb screws to move the stop block itself. Plus the 2 screws he used to move the fence extension were not the right ones. Those 2 screws only hold the extension fence onto the end of the slider bar. Its the third screw in that you loosen to allow the slider bar to move the extension out. When tightened, it holds that extension bar in place either extended out or slid in tight. The only real issue that could make the whole thing easier to use, is that the microadjuster does need that hex key to loosen those 2 bolts on top. I don't often use the microadjust but when I do use it, I just loosen them both to start with but only tighten one down to make adjustments. Once I'm done with the microadjust altogether, then I tighten them both down.
It looks like he included the 1000SE in the list mainly so he could feature it in the thumbnail for the video and attract more views. In other words, it’s clickbait. As you point out, he uses both the flip stop and the fence extension completely incorrectly, so that they seem complicated when they’re not. He admits up front that including the 1000SE is controversial; if he had a valid criticism, he’d have done a better job explaining it.
I think on the 1000 se is you need to learn how to use more. I make a lot if mutton and you sneak up on it. Add a good sacrifice fence flip this stops and none netter if you need precise minute adjustments. Loosen plastic thumb screws push in and macro adjustment a snap. Use the driver and you can micro adjust down for perfect fit. I have rare earth magnet on side of fence and it stays out of way. If you don't require that precision it is overkill. I make panels and the 5000 is great as well. That one would drive you insane. Cheers.
I agree completely with this video, I own the Incra Miter 1000 SE, I had the same complaints about the need for the hex tool. Went and picked up the ratchet lever knob kit package to replace the every day adjustment screws with easy ratchet lever knobs. Ideally the fence/miter gauge should include this kit from the factory. That would take this from a good upgrade from the factory gauge to one of the best possible upgrades out of the box.
Have the Grizzly mobile base for my bandsaw, and table say, and had a different one for my prior table saw. Been happy with all of them, and one was bought scratch and dent off the back room. All have held up well.
I made my own mobile bases for my band saw and my drill press. The band saw base is made of 2x4s and 3/4" plywood and a caster kit. My benchtop drill press base is a cabinet made of 3/4" plywood that rolls around on a Bora Portamate Mobile Base Kit model PM-1100. My table saw is on a Shop Fox mobile base kit. My only complaint with it is that the wheels fall apart and the Steelex hard rubber replacement wheels fell apart eventually as well. I ended up replacing them with red polyurethane wheels. So far, so good, but what a PITA.
JLR Workshop-- Matt, I use the Grizzly Bear Crawl Jr on my 300+ pound table saw. Its rated for almost 600. Plan on transferring to a cabinet saw when I get one. Rolls nice and is sturdy.
I have the Rockler All-Terrain Mobile Base which is GREAT!! I had other mobile bases under my table saw, but this one is the best with the larger 5" wheels, it rolls very easily . . . I recommend it!
I have three. Under cabinet table saw, 14" bandsaw and planer/joiner combo. The table saw and planer/joiner are around 600# each and moving them is a breeze. Love the 5" polyurethane wheels. My vote.
Love the honesty. I have the Borla base which I supplanted with 3/4" plywood no flex for Ryobi band saw. I was ready to add side skirts for added rigidity if needed.
Which Bora? There appear to be several. Thanks.
I have Grizzly Bear Crawl bases under all my tools, including my 800lb 20" helical planer. They are ridiculously solid and easy to move. Changing direction is always a little wonky on any movable base since the wheels have to swing around in the new direction.
Came here to recommend this. Have one under my table saw and it has no trouble holding everything attached (got to be over 500 lbs).
The first one I bought worked so good I bought a second one. When it came the only change on it was the fox shop label. Still love them.
If it is a good base, it will not be wonky if changing directions. I had and then trashed or gave away all of my grizzly bases. They wouldnt change directions easily and would catch on every little crack in my workshop floor. Final straw is when I almost tipped over my G0513ANV 17" bandsaw! The only thing that saved it from going over, from the crazy wonkiness of the miniscule tiny wheels on the grizzly base, was my huge rack of wood stuffs. It was just luck that the bandsaw didn't smack the ground! Everyone I know with a concrete floor has cracks in it. And the tiny wheels of the grizzly base were never designed to roll over cracks in concrete, period. They are too small. And the bearings in the hinge points do not allow for the wheels to change direction smoothly and tend to become tippy, very easily. I could not roll the G634XP jointer/planer at all! Completely immobile with the so-called mobile base by grizzly.
The Grizzly mobile bases are fantastic for the price! Beefy and glide across the floor very smoothly. Have had one for a few months now on my table saw and love it!
Seen the video Agree on blast gates, I have two. On the mobile base. I use the Rockler all terrain mobile base #42365. I have a powermatic 15HH planer & 54HH jointer on mine. The one thing i didn’t like is the hardware supplied. Threw it out, went to hardware store bought my own nuts and bolts. Drilled all parts to new size, and added one more hole on each side for the rails. 16 nuts and bolts instead of only 8 puny ones. My tools glide across my garage floor
I'm not sure if they updated the blast gates or not, but my woodpecker blast gates do not swing all the way around. They open just past half way (which keeps them from closing because the air continues to push them open, but they are stopped. Same when they are closed. They have a stop to close them. Also, mine are not loose, I can partially open them and they stay in that position. I'm using a Harvey dust collector, so it has power. Maybe over time they will loosen up and I'll hate them, but for now I really like them.
Fumbling around trying to make it appear that a tool is poorly designed or not usefully is only a reflection on you not the functionality off the tool.
see again 0:21
Pure gold. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have the Woodpecker blast gates...THEY ARE WONDERFUL. I've tried many blast gates over the year, they all leak except these Woodpecker gates. Also, I can cut down the air flow from my Dewalt 735 planner. Between the planners blower and my 2HP dust collector, they would blow the dust bag off the collector. The Woodpecker blast gates solve that problem.
Mobile base: Bora PM 3500. Works great for my use. Very well built. I have the Incra 1000SE and would agree with your assessment regarding the janky setup screws. I don't like using it for that reason.
As for mobile bases, I built my own out of 2 layers of 3/4" ply, some 2 x 2 around the edge to hold the legs on and small rollers rated to carry the weight. At this point I have my band saw, thickness planer, benchtop drill press and benchtop jointer on these bases. It's been a couple years and nothing has failed. Easy to move and 2 wheels per base have locking mechanisms so they stay where set. But that's just me.
Regarding bandsaw mobile bases: my 14Bx came with a horrible 3 wheel system that was a PAIN to use. I couldn’t find a 4 x360° wheel system… so I actually just put on 4 360° locking casters from Rockler. The thing moves like a dream. I highly recommend.
I have used the Bora mobile base on my Jet band saw and I have had no issues with it at all.
I have the Rikon mobile base for my Rikon band saw. Love it. It works great.
The Hongdui HD-KS22 Mitre Fence mounts to the V27, no modifications. Killer combo! Probably the best fence you can buy.
I have the bora mobile base with that exact saw. Cheap and works really well. Can highly recommend
Regarding the Incra, I find that using the stop and extension with an Allen wrench acceptable. When I lock it down I know it is rock solid and repeatability is assured. I do agree that what works for me might not work for others as you expressed. I find that what works for me is the Incra 1000 SE. Thank you for your excellent channel, I am a subscriber and enjoy your content and presentation. Lets just say I agree to disagree on personal preference rather than a flawed tool. Cheers!
Bora has a mobile base that I purchased for my Rikon 10-324. Works well. same concept as the one you have but side bars don't drag.
I have had a Shop Fox mobile base now for about 5 months for my Grizzly Drill Press. Works great, same as the Grizzly mobile base I assume since they are the same company.
I just bought the INCRA V27 today and yes I'm very happy and can't wait to use it.
Refreshing to see someone not afraid to call out issues or just bad tools by some of the big name companies! I think most of the time, they are making great tools, but there are some that I look at and wonder why they did that! Great job Matt!
I have that same WEN mobile base under my Shop Fox jointer. I havent had any problems with it but, I added a modification to mine. I have a bad back and I can/will NOT be slumping or bending over to use any of my tools. (They seem to make woodworking tools for midgets, and Im only 5 foot 6) I wanted my jointer beds a certain distance from the floor and the jointer wasnt tall enough for me to use it comfortably without bending or stooping. So I build a 2x4 or 2x6 box, or platform to raise it up to the height I wanted. So the jointer sits on the platform box I made and the platform sits down inside the fame of the mobile base. I suppose the use of the platform caused the weight of the jointer to be more distributed across the whole footprint and components of the mobile base, thus the reason I havent had any problems with mine.
I use a bora mobile base for my workbench. I had to but extenders to get it to cover the 56” x 30” base and they too sagged and dragged on the floor. I’ve adjusted them a couple times. My workbench weighs around 300 lbs
Harvey actually makes a sturdy module base that uses 3/4” BB as the substrate (you supply the plywood). I have it on my Harvey Alpha table saw and it works beautifully
Jason, Same here and it rolls super smooth. I doubled up the plywood to max the thickness at 1.5 inches as I added weight with the cast iron extension both left and right. Just ordered one to use on my Laguana 14" Bandsaw too.
I have several of the Bora bases that are similar to your Wen. They have worked great. The only issue with that type of base is there are two fixed wheels and two casters in the front. Personally it is a dance to park a tool with the two fixed wheels. So anymore I buy will be 4 wheel caster models which cost more but are more versatile. The Bora may be the Portamate which some of mine are but they are identical. I have had several Wen lathe stands and they are great for the price. The Wen is identical to several of the OEM ones at half the price. I suspect the Wen lathe stands are made in the same factory as Grizzly, Rikon, Nova and others. The Wen is powder coated and is of a good build quality. I buy basket case lathes and sandblast them and paint them with replacing the bearings and belts. So I buy the Wen and it helps me sell the lathes.
I heartily disagree with your review of the INCRA mitre SE…it’s a great mitre gauge… most other woodworkers agree. It is extremely accurate and easy to use.
My Shop Fox mobile base under my cabinet saw has performed flawlessly for 20 years.
I think if you're building say, a nuclear submarine , Woodpecker's tools make sense.But there is just no universe that justifies their prices. People made beautiful furniture before they came along and beautiful furniture can still be made without them. Frankly I find their pricing a source of humor.
Woodpecker tools aren't made for people who need to make things precisely. They are for people who want a luxuriously visual and tactile tool to use. And also brand recognition.
This couldn’t be more true. There is a reason super high end machinist tools don’t come in a soothing red color.
If you have the money, Woodpeckers does make nice capenter’s squares, but for everything else I think Starrett provides a superior product for those purely interested in extreme accuracy.
They’d be a hell of a lot cheaper if they didn’t give every jackass with a tablesaw and a CZcams channel an entire wall of tools.
@@MMWoodworking I have Starrett gauges dating back to the early 40's in my shop that I use daily. Simple and right on helpers.
They are ridiculously priced and I’ve never bought one…yet
I have a Bora base on my Shop Fox band saw and have been pleased with it.
JET JMB-UMB Universal Mobile Base, 18" x 18" to 28" x 28" (708118) is a beast! I bought this for my Jet Jointer/planer!!!
Hate to say it but I've been using the Rockler mobile bases for years. These are the ones that come without side rails and you provide wooden rails cut to size. Rockler specifies hardwood but I've ripped 2x4s and have had no issues with even the heaviest tools (8" jointer, 15" planer, 14" bandsaw).
For a mobile base for your Rikon (I have the same model) I’d say build your own. I purchased the mobile base kit when I purchased the saw. It’s made by Rikon (I think) and advertised to fit into the base cabinet. Spendy little guy it is. However it comes with 3 wheels, 2 in back one in front center. Rolls well in a straight line but watch out for the cement joints as front wheel gets stuck in them and talk about wobbly. Don’t turn it to quickly as it wants to lean and threatens to fall over. Someday when I get a little extra time I’m going build a mobile base that incorporates 4 wheels and fits the cabinet base. If I get this done this summer I’ll send you my design and pictures. There’s got to be something better.
Enjoy your channel and your message.
I love my Incra V120.
Shop Fox mobile bases are cheap, and super tough. I have a 1200lb shaper with a 200lb feeder on one. Moves relatively easily and has help up over several years of heavy use in a professional shop . Guessing I’ve had around a dozen or more over the years and have never had an issue. Shop Fox isn’t exactly known for quality, but their mobile bases are well worth the price.
Shop Fox model D4666 mobile base has rectangular rails and it works great.
Thanks you so much for saying the defect of the incra: I wanted to buy one and I had not understood the need to unscrew to extend the fence. So for the price it's not possible. thanks
The 14" bandsaw in my shop came with a similar mobile base to yours. It had the same problem. After taking it apart and cleaning the mating surfaces I reassembled it and made sure the bolts and nuts were TIGHT. Zero issues after more than 2 years. If the bolts break when tightening them, use grade 8 bolts. Tractor Supply has them at a great price. Get the grade 8 nuts and washers at the same time.
The Jessum height gauge is a fail to me as well. The notches align everything parallel but that induces a second problem, common with all of the setup tools including the nice ones like the Kreg. Since commercially produced lumber in the US may or may not be precisely 3/4" thick and virtually no plywood is any precise measurement, fixed Imperial units devices are becoming more and more useless. Even so-called metric dimensioned plywood is not usually a whole number of millimeters thick. Ply sold as 3/4" is often .688" which is a little more than 17mm and 18mm ply is almost never 18mm/0.708" thick. Unfortunately (I prefer dial indicators as they don't ever have dead batteries) the digital height gauges with adequately sized bases are few and far between but seem to be the best option with the ever changing sizes of sheet goods.
The Woodpecker corner rule is one of the best tools in my shop.
This is my miter gauge w/fence solution - Incra Miter V120 (Rockler #26537) with the Rockler Miter Gauge Fence (Rockler #61967). Super accureate with 1 degree increments and the Rockler fence is easy to adjust. The pair wil set you back $160, but well worth it in my opinion.
Rikon has their own "Mobility kit" that bolts right up to their bases without the need for the extra bars around the perimeter. I haven't used it personally, but that's the one I would get if I had a Rikon bandsaw.
You’re using the incra wrong. You shouldn’t have to loosen the bolts on top to move the stop. Only the white knobs. Those bolts are for initial setup. Also, for the fence extension, you only need to loosen the single screw and not the two screws on the extension part. I too was frustrated when I started using it only to find out I was using it wrong once I read the instructions. Maybe check out the instructions and have another go at it and maybe you’ll like it.
Its ok to have opinions on not liking a particular tool but I think if it isn’t being used properly that may be why some may dislike it. Its a very accurate and handy gauge to use and cuts to precise measurements!
Good grief, read the instructions before comment on why you don/t like it. You obviously do not understand how this jig works as you made several major errors in trying to explain how it works. This is a great jig and the on with the sliding support table is even better in my opinion.
I've had numerous Incra products, never had a problem with any, and they all work very well and as designed. Mobile bases, especially "adjustable bases" are generally made with steel that is not of sufficient gauge and strength. They flex. The weak point is where the "adjustment" bolts hold the segments together. After I saw that I built my own using 3 x 3 x X oak, lag bolts, and Gorilla glue. For heavy machines like 900 a pound jointer I may double/laminate the wood then use commercial casters that hold 400 - 500lbs. each. (Don't be so stupid as to buy cheap casters or those that each carry exactly 1/4 of the capacity you need.) Nothing flexes and they roll fine. If I had to do it again I would set a jointer and planer directly on a wood base/mat without casters, level them, and leave them there. I moved my jointer once to a better spot with an engine puller crain. I never moved it again. Kreg gauge blocks are not cheap or free. Years ago I made a mutlple height gauge block from a single piece of maple. Set the various heights accurately on scrap once, make the slots in your block, and off you go.
i have the bora portamate mobile base with an old delta table saw sitting on it for 2 years and have no sag or issues with moving it around
I have a huge issue with my woodpecker rules from a durability standpoint. Let me say I love using them and I reach for them every day but for the price I would never recommend them to someone else because they are not a lifetime tool. I had one fall off my workbench and the cheap material it was made out of immediately dented right on the corner. Their warranty of course doesn't cover dropped tools which I understand but it would be nice to see them stand behind their product more as the customer service response was too bad so sad.
I agree. I love my Woodpecker rules, I have the Paolini Pocket rule set. the PRECISION WOODWORKING T-SQUARES set. and the Woodworking Rules set and even the Mini Square, and I have dropped at least one of each set. Concrete is unforgiving I get that. But one drop ruins any precision for their aluminum precision layout tools. Because I am so afraid of ruining any more of my Red Stash, I just reach for vintage Stanley steel combo square. If I need something smaller, I grab the 4" iGauging double square. Sadly, my Woodpecker tools look great on the wall, but only randomly see service in my workshop. I wish I had the green cash, sometimes, instead of the red wall art. I do love the T-squares though. I do put those to work when building cabinets. But the Woodworking rules only come out to measure cut-off lengths to setup stop-blocks for my radial arm saw. The Paolini's get dropped almost every time I take them from the rack they came with. So I hardly ever take them down. Sigh.
I actually really love the woodpeckers hook rule, but it is very expensive and I wouldn't consider it a general-purpose rule. It does work better, and is more precise, for certain measurements in very specific situations. It's not my only measuring tool, and is not the one I reach for the most often.
I wish the kreg blocks were available in metric.
I've got 4 of the WEN Heavy Duty Machine Bases. They are on large, now mobile, tools such as Contractor Cast Iron Table Saw, Large Cast Iron Table Jointer, 14" Band Saw. I love 'em. They work great. I have never seen an issue like you are showing. Of course, I am at the mercy of the camera man, and you say there are two bolts on the left end of the bracket. Are there also 2 bolts in the right end of the short bracket on the left? It looks to me like the joint on the right end of that bracket is cockeyed and not that the bracket is bent. I know that the brackets are a heavy gage steel have 90° bends with extensions on the top and bottom running the whole length of the bracket. You would have had to really over stress them to get it to bend like you are showing. I would go back and check the assembly and RTDM about connecting them. Possible even switching placement of left and right brackets. (wheel, taller bracket, shorter bracket, wheel. Instead of wheel, shorter bracket, taller bracket, wheel) The first one I put together was interesting (trial and error). Just glad I had an erector set as a boy. The other ones went together fine. MHO, they are super for only about $56.
I love the Bora Portamate PM-3500 by far the best mobile base out there
Grizzly bear crawls mobile base. Got one for my band saw and one for my 6” Jet jointer. LOVE EM.
That's what I needed up buying. Works great!
I bought a Bora mobile base from Rockler for a Grizzly table saw. So far so good.
Ive had very good luck with Bora bases. Very sturdy.
I use the Bora mobile bases under my machines. Very solid and I'm quite happy with them.
Awesome. Thank you
I have the Shop Fox extreme duty under my powermatic 1500. It works great. Originally, I tried the base you didn’t have all the parts for and it was not something I would recommend.
Rikon sells a mobile base for that saw.
I’m using a king Canada base, looks very similar to your wen.
On the same band saw as yours it has held up fine.