*NEW* Gyeon Wax V Autoglym UHD V Bilt Hamber Double Speed | Review
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I've been trying so many products, and I'm a Gyeon fan when it comes to many products, but I have to admit so far I was most amazed with Double Speed. It stuck on a *lot* longer than I expected from a paste wax this winter.
just ordered some, i find wax keeps the "detailing enthusiast" in me alive. as much a i love the ceramic coating on my mrs car, i miss going out on a weekend and tinkering with my own. Looking forward to my new vehicle arriving and giving it the once over.
Another well structured review Jon.
I've been recently long term testing the TW Graphene Wax and after its initial "boost" for chemical resistance on my test panel, on a real car its failing miserably after only a couple of months.
It's now cementing my belief that we should be (and I know it's not always possible) testing out products longer term.
On the Gyeon, I'm actually liking the presentation of it, very different, kinda reminds me of when Soft99 Glaco came out.
defo there is a big difference with chem testing and real life. more to come on all these products comparing them in different ways. durability is a big thing for lots of people... but others like its about the buff or some its just about price...
Great and detailed reviews as always Jon thank you so much.
Great to hear about plans to test on a panel that's not buffed to perfection to better see what the product can add more than what gloss it can lose. Great honest and open review, very informative as 7sual. Thanks Jon.
My delivery from BH turned up today so I currently have an anti rust bath, with two claipers and carriers bubbling away on my kitchen table. I love BH products and these new ones I haven't tried before are just as good. This wax is great too, bought on Jon's recommendation a while back. So much great knowledge shared here, thank you.
I also like the idea of this new product too. I'd have the most hydrphobic arm pits in the Midlands.
Love your unbiased approach!
The branding on the new tins looks really nice, loving my double speedwax that just arrived, thanks for the reviews!
All of your videos are incredible. The way you help us make more productive purchases is amazing. Thank you so much for all your hard work, effort, and dedication. I will be donating to your Patreon account today. -JE
Guys like you make this possible thank you for being awesome and positive. Rgs jon
Oh boy been waiting for this one!
Interesting to see just how similar these products are. Been a big fan of Auto Glym HD wax for sometime now as it is just so easy to remove. Greate video and content in general keep it up !!
Nice review,
I have been using Autoglym UHD Wax for years now, I am very satisfied.
Greetings from Belgium.
Great review again John!
Have you tried the bilt hamber hydra wax?
Thanks for the video Jon. That was very interesting. I'm a big fan of Bilt Hamber products and wasn't surprised to see it win.
The Gyeon product would look even better if they made the cylinder out of a clear see through plastic to follow on the theme of their beautiful bottled range. Don't mind the Gyeon stuff.
Yasss. Been waiting patiently for this 👍😎
very clever formulation from geon, usually the more hydrophobic products they put in the wax, the harder they are to use in my experience. UHD is a classic and their R&D is evident.
Used dsw for the first time on my car at the weekend. Had debated about a ceramic coating or a more fancy branded wax. Mega impressed by how well it came out for the money it cost.
I have been waiting for this.
Bilt Hamber is unreal value and bang for your buck! Great product!
Like always great and absolutely honest test 👍, thank you
love this Gyeon wax easy to apply a little goes a long way and so easy to remove and the water beading is crazy .
Great comprehensive review.
Bilt hamber FTW. Love bilt hamber products.
Great review
Me too. Furthermore, for me it’s not just about the product. It’s about the after sales service too, and from my experience they are just pluperfect. Always had a reply from Peter, no matter I’m just an enthusiast.
@@yeldaRooBTKAM what? It’s just car wax! What after service does it require? Rub it on, rub it off!
@@grahamlake9728 I think you have misunderstood what I was saying. I have been cleaning my cars for the last 45/50 yrs. I know a reasonable amount about detailing but I’m not an expert on chemicals. For that reason I might have to call on the experts at BH to help, and every time I have, BH has always replied. What I did not make clear to you, it seems, is that it’s not just about their product. It’s also about how responsive their reply is to people like me and I guess to professional detailers/companies when they want to know something that they may have come across that their not sure of. That is what I was saying in my post. Not very clear it seems. Have you understood my point now? Keep safe.
@@grahamlake9728 further to what I have just posted. You may or may not know but I use to own an i8. Even though I have been using detailing products for many years, I still need to ask question before I’m sure in my mind I would not damage certain materials within the car, or what percentage of chemicals would be safe to use on the particular material/area that is not listed within the products instructions. Rather contact then then damage the car i love/loved.
I think Gyeon have made a great job of the packaging… looks ace 👍🏻
Great review John, I might try this new wax as I find the BH double speed wax to cause the dirt to stick to the car!
Once washed it performs really well, but it doesn’t appear to repel the dirt, more like a magnet and you end up with dirt lines up the bonnet etc
Another great comparison thanks Jon. I too like experimenting with different products. I use double speed AG UHD but I also have several Meguiars
It’s interesting comparing them all
An interesting video which I would like to see you do would be a similar video on the three paste waxes from meguairs
Ultimate vs Gold vs NXT vs Mirror bright
I think there’s only one decent video where they compare some of these. There are others but they don’t do anything like as good a good a job as you. They throw it on, spray some water and pick a winner. I always think it’s great when you do something on the high street brands
Ive had a play with all of these and the differences are interesting. In particular I found the mirror bright really dusts up (not good) may have been my application but I honestly don’t think so
You could use double speed as a control 😀
I also agree with your view on ceramic. I have thought about it. But I enjoy washing my car. Trying different products including waxes. Applying a long-standing ceramic would likely be a waste for me. Great products, just not for me
Cracking review Jon, I love dsw, I just wish it was a little smoother to the touch compare to others no issues other than that, I always apply outside with a damp applicator. Really keen to try the gyeon wax, always been put off by the price point of the HD its a non starter when there are so many from soft99 and bilt hamber at bargin prices that last months.
What pen you using on that panel tho Jon?? I assumed it was chalk but it doesn't come off is it a paint pen?
noice!! Thanks for the info. Bilt Hamber just does the job for me, every time, except in the rinseless wash category.
Great vid 👍 I've just got back into detailing my car after the max power years many moons ago. I used to use super resin polish and ultra gloss protection together is this still a good way to do it I also have purchased auto gym ceramic spray not sure when to apply after what process? I already snow foam and wash .
Im still using the TAC Systems Shinee Wax you recommended last year. Its very good value. Superb results. And about the easiest product to apply for a novice.
its good stuff isnt it but its kind of a different genre, detail spray/spray wax perhaps its more of a topper but yer shinee wax if you use it every wash will also give you some protection. This is the beuty of all this, you can take a very very simplw approach if you want or you can literally have like 13 layers of protection. I think 13 was the amount of potential layers you "could" have on your car with a genuine brands system :)
As you mentioned companies like Gyeon missed a trick by not selling wax's. Now wax's are all good! I'll never use a ceramic coating except for the wheels for all the reasons you mentioned. I'm not bothered too much about longevity reckon it's overated if you're washing your regularly with a drying aid. Great video!
John I absolutely love the structure of your videos and the fun that you have! Could you please review the Bilt Hamber Finis wax in the future? I just picked some up here in the US and it is by far for the money the most impressive wax I’ve tried yet
Thanks m8. I talk about finis in the bilt Hamber brand review
i do love that geon tire ceramic stuff, works great and lasts very long.
I'm a big fan of Bilt Hamber, but I'm currently using Autoglym HD Wax on my car. As the car is white, I top up with Bouncers Done and Dusted to boost the shine. Great combination 👍
Looks great but i think I’m sticking with autoglym, love the smell and it feels like a quality product 👍
I’ve just swapped over from the tw ceramic range to this new gyeon wax and all I can say is it’s fantastic. I completed a full decontamination and clay then machine polished with gyeon primer the topped with the wax the colour and the 3 stage pearl in my focus rs mk2 in ultimate green just popped amazing the look is fantastic highly recommend. Just don’t know about how long it will last for. Mind you the rs is in the garage most of the time great review once again mate cheers from Aussie
Im in the same boat as you. if you full prep the car and the car is garaged the durability is less of a problem. some people are reporting 1 month durability which I find hard to believe. mines been on about 3 weeks and 3 washes and its still performing well.
@@ForensicDetailing I may use with wet coat on the next wash or the quick detailed spray I don’t want to Take away the look of the wax as it’s awesome may invest the ceramic spray over the top later on. Great channel mate has to be one of the best if not the best on CZcams keep it up 👍
Would love you to do a review on BH liquid wax. If it performs as well as the double speed (its actually more expensive than the double speed) then it should be a great product. Useful for machine application when it's a liquid wax.
I'm testing it atm, 9 weeks in and it's still going strong. Blown other liquid waxes out of the water
@@jamesgillespie9000 so much handier for application! Need to try it out next.
Is this the hydra wax from Bilt Hamber?
@@kwl189 yeah that's the one!
@@rflood impressive durability. Thanks for replying and confirming. CZcams didn’t inform me. Wonder how it stacks up to the cheap stuff from
Turtle wax that gets a really good reputation in parts. Or how does it confirm to polar seal from
AG for instance. Super easy to apply in a canon.
Exelente contenido!. Saludos desde Uruguay!
Great review. I have to stick with my Soft 99 Fusso Coat, there is no reason to not finish the can before buying something new.
I'm thinking about what polish I should buy, have the Autoglym super resin in my thoughts but don't know if there is other one step hand polishes that could compete with it. I'm not looking for perfect finish when my car is a 23year old beater with som small rust bobles and stone chips.
Very helpful, thanks! 👍
Really good fair review - very detailed. I find the best wax I've used for gloss - hydrophobic - durability is old school collinite 845
Hi , I've recently purchased a das 6 v2 which i intend to dip my toes into machine polishing with using auto finesse tripple ( mainly as i have some on the shelf). Following that i will be looking at using a wax on a regular basis to maintain the finish. All these waxes have been done by hand in this test. Is there one which lends itself more to using a machine polisher?
I am going to buy some and try it out myself 😜
Another banger!!
Great content again John , if you have a second hand car how do you know if it has a ceramic coating on it already.
ask the guy your buying it off is best way (not being funny). Otherwise you can only guess what material is on there. although if its been recently coated you could go looking with workshop lighting for high spots and signs etc..
I've got dsw and collinite 476..i keep thinking about using them but then see GT 2 Sigma sitting there and just go with that every 2nd wash.. Quick, easy, great results
I use the BH with a damp applicator. Do you reckon if I dampen the applicator with Koch Chemie FSE quick detailed rather than water it would be better ?
I have been using Gyeon wax for a few months as a topper. The hydrophobic behavior is insane but the durability is only about a month at the most. Still I like the idea of using a wax over ceramic to help with water spots.
How did you manage to get it so early? 😲
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Both of those products are great and worth using. I’m just curious about how the Gyeon wax holds up as a ceramic topper. After three hard months the product is holding up better than expected. This is comparable to the original fusso.
@@neilwalker5041 I’m confused re: the durability? You mentioned earlier it was only a month?
I think the kicker for the gyeon product is that it can be used on coatings, be it Si02 or Graphene based.
Thanks for explaining the reason for Gyeon adding Flourine. I finally understand the difference between pure carnauba vs additives. Because a lot of these companies advertise a high % of carnauba as if that’s the golden ticket 🎫 to protecting your car.
Now if they can keep their ease of application and removal and have the durability of original fusso coat it would be amazing.
Orderd mine today
I wonder how Fusso speed barrier would work to maintain gyeon wax? considering speed barrier is fluorine based as well
Is the gyeon durable enough to last a british winter 3-4months or is the double speed a better option
I like this video alot. I eventually removed my ceramic because it wasn't me. With this video however, I think using a different brand APC may have been better. Bilt hamber would have ensured their products were compatible
Waxes tend to leave a warm finish. Which of the 3 was the warmest? I tend to wax show cars versus ceramic sealants or coatings as they don't see weather and leave the best finish. Thanks!
I’ve gone round in circles on coatings. Spend 2 days doing a ceramic properly. 2 hard days too. More days if you need it to cure and keep out the rain. If you have only one car there’s a lot of downtime with that method. If you don’t have cover it’s much harder. Or you go hybrid. Use CP lite as your base then wax a few times a year. Much easier to put on, if you mess it up you don’t risk much and can take an afternoon not days. Do half a car one week half the next. It’s not all critical. If you need to add wax you do. You don’t need to machine buff with precision. And go through the whole process.
I think going ceramic hard core makes it a a science step. I find myself bot enjoying the process. Where a good wax or temp coating lets you enjoy the process and take your time without pressure.
John can you add gyeon wet coat on top of waxes like bilt hamper double speed Thanks
I think bringing a wax in the range is a great idea. They now cover all bases. It’s a pity the Turtle Wax 75th wax wasn’t in the comparison to compare a wax with ceramic/graphing in and see if this makes a difference. DSW never lets you down and is so cheap.
i have some comparison coming soon with the TW 75 one as well soon chris.
Hi Jon, great review as always. I’ve got a question for you. I use the auto glym polar series (snow foam, contact, seal with hydrophobic wash) when I wash the car. I wanted to know when I should be applying one of these wax products to the car? Is it after the polar series wash in full or before the hydrophobic coat? Thanks in advance!
so with a paste wax you wash the car with pre wash and pure shampoos. decon/clay if required (if contamination is present). machine polish the paintwork if its swirly or dull. then do like a panel wipedown to degrease the paintwork. And apply a wax or sealant etc.... then in a months time if you want to boost hydrophobic and add protection you can wash and top up with polar seal for example. polar seal is more like a booster top up than a base line protection product if you get me.
@@ForensicDetailing thanks Jon. Will you need to reapply the paste wax after every wash?
A great revue! The interesting thing for me was if you remove the cost score, Autoglym scores 11 winning by one point over the other two that scored 10 points each.
Great in-depth review as always John. 😊 Can you please do a comparison of the Bilt Hamber Finis Wax vs the Double Speed wax..? 🤔
finis wax is twice the price and less hydrophobic, but smoother to buff.
Cheers John
@@ForensicDetailing Peter Hamber has said that Finis Wax has greater 'mechanical' durability, but DSW has greater 'detergent ' durability. So if you aren't able to wash your car as often as you'd like, then Finis may be the better option if trying to decide between the two.
yes and we measure by looking at hydrophobicity so waxes with hydrophobic polymers in the blend have an advantage even though the less hydrophobic based waxes might last longer its harder to see it.
Good video. You do make me laugh... bead tastic 😄
Great review, have you reviewed Collinite 476, I use this and find it is easy to apply and reasonably priced at around £25 for 200g
Not review ee it but used it m8
Having taking into account the performance characteristics of BH Double Speed against the other two on test and then factoring in the price BH DS is in a different league:)
Nice one Jon! Have you ever used Dimond Brite products K2 ceramics etc be interested to see how you think about them as I been using the for about 8years now! Maxwax Finland🤔
Not used m8 they are not so hot over here but that does not mean they are bad
Lovely upload on eid. Eid Mubarak to those celebrating. Hope everyone else has had a good day 🙌
Eid Mubarak to you Jubair
Been interested in this product since the launch, but disappointed in its durability. Great video
i wonder how gyeon wax slots into your tac moonlight and wet coat system is it over kill or dose it prolong the time inbetween the big wash an wax detail with confidence an awesome beading more of the time, surely gloss would be amazing and we allready know carrier systems will be fine together
Im sort of thinking 1 or the other. but you could top moonlight with gyeon wax, not the other way around though.
A great video as always
I tried the gyeon wax it fantastic
But I notice some ghosting on some panels
Is that because I applied it thick
How can I remove the ghosting
Yes m8 get clean cloth final wipe down bit of qd as well the deliver final finish
Love bilt hamber products, but having issues with double speed wax, when applying it, one pass will be dry and stick while other passes will be smooth and oily, any ideas john
Had this issue myself ... not impressed at all by it more so on a black car !
I use the autoglym uhd and i find it very good, and find it easy to put on and get off.
buffs really nice no greasey trails. top draw product
It'd be great to see this long term up against fusso coat since they're both in the PTFE category. 👍
stay tuned :)
@@thephantomarse I agree yhat fusso will probably win, but you never know
Can’t wait to use this, the wait has been to long
How do these waxes compare to the Fusso months wax?
So you can put the gyeon wax over a ceramic eg can coat or wet coat. But what would you use at the end of a maintenance wash stage? Gyeon qd or cure or there new ceramic spray detailer, or would these not ‘sit’ right over the wax?
Suprised they dont have a spray wax alternative to accompany the wax stick.
Is it solvent heavy do we know?
You’re not using a drying aid or a qd after the wash.
You apply a hard coating like Moh’s. but now you want a high contact angle - Wax.
When the car stops beading the way you want slather on more wax. 1-2 punch
Hi Jon, really liked this video as thinking of buying the Gyeon wax as already have the others.
Can you tell me if paste waxes have a shelf life as my UHD has a symbol saying once opened its good for 18 months but I do keep my waxes indoors so there not exposed to extreme fluctuations in temperature. Thanks
old school wax/oil/solvent ones could last for yeasr. modern ones with other materials mixed in.. some polymers can expire after 1-2 years so it varies product to product. generally you are good though for 2-3 years.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks for that Jon, so my UHD wax should be good for more than 18 months. How would i tell if it is no longer any good to use.
Also some products say they will give you 6-12 months protection so you might only use them a few times before they expire or are they just saying that so you go and buy more.
Thanks
Gyeon states the shelf life of Wax is 5 years once open
Can you do one short video for Nu-finish car polish please?
Quick question Jon, 'As a tube wax, I am guessing it can be machine applied with a soft pad? Is there any word on that. It would be interesting to know, just I am tighter than a nun's chuff. Seeing it takes 30 mins to cure, reckon it would be worth a try
Yeah and cuz it’s in a deodorant stick it’ll be easier to get into the pad than using a spork
Good vid Jon, really wish the durability of the Gyeon wax was more than a claimed month or so
I find it really refreshing I recal gyeon cure claiming 6 weeks and stuff. It makes me trust a brand on their products ratings more.
Jon is it a detailing Faux Pax to use a machine polisher with a solid wax? I’m getting horrible results and feel like I’m breaking unwritten rules.
Liquid wax goes on better, with da, some paste waxed go on ok with da on low speed. But by hand is generally better m8
Dors anyone remember Blitz wax? It is a carnauba wax which was popular about 20 years ago; I still have two tins of it. I wonder how it stands up to all the modern products.
nice a fusso-style sniff, jon we can tell its strength from how cross-eyed you go
what about the new rupes da pads set and using that with Koch Chemie set of 3 H9 F6 M3 on an 8mm da I would say it's ok. Maybe zvizer or merenza is better I would be learning and doing a ceramic coating of carpro UK 3.0 2 coats I have a 7x8 roof so its shade and in a couple of weeks it's going to be waterproof but no sides, please write any tips because it's going to be first time polishing and coating and best way to take care of a ceramic ?
so rupes pads with Koch on DA8 ml polisher will be fine (in theory). No zwizzer or menz not really better as such but both high quality. I would suggest if your going to use rupes pads and your starting out. then pair them to the rupes new DA abrasives because they are tested and designed to work with those. results are guerentee'd then (kind of). degrease and then go in with the coating.
@@ForensicDetailing sadly I can't get them in small size but the Koch I can I would say they have good quality so I shouldn't have problems
This week a bird dropping ruined my BMW black paint on a door. It was in the car for no more than 8 hours, but it made a hole through the clear coat into the paint! The door had a 2 weeks old layer of Meguiars hybrid ceramic wax and a 3 days old layer of ADBL synthetic spray wax on it. Unfortunately, they didn't protect the paint at all, so now I had to switch to a ceramic coating :(. Bird droppings have a PH of 3~4.5 and Cquartz has a PH resistancy of 3~13, so I hope next time this won't happen! I was in shock. I was an adept of paint sealants/waxes in spray or paste, but unfortunately, I now had to switch to ceramics that are way more time-consuming and expensive.
if that bird dropping sat there and ate through to the paintwork it will go through that coating rapidly as well. theres real advantages to coatings dont get me wrong but generally they are not for me on my main car. and my family car gets smashed up so its pointless "protecting" the paint. bird crap is the least of my worries with the way my missed drives into things.
Thought it was Gyeon launching into the Ann Summers world at the start....
Given the fact I have UHD and its my go to summer /Autumn protection then I dont see me going out to buy the Gyeon but another good review as always John 👍
they are kind of similiar actually.
@@ForensicDetailing The only issue I seem to have John is with Surfex HD, it seems to blitz any of my LSP. As a pre wash prior to foam what rate would you recommend it at?
Hi bud, I have a black vw passat 2013 pretty sure never had any detailing done, swirls and holograms are awesome...plus even after a wash paint looks dirty and dull absolutely zero shine. In one video you talked about complete decontamination which would be a wash followed by clay but you never touched upon the chemical ratios and what chemicals you'd use before actually going in with the claying. I will be attempting to polish when the weather allows as doing it outside and then wax to seal the deal. For now have you any video explaining the chemical uses before claying or is it unnecessary? Already ordered korrosol for my awful wheels so that'll be arriving shortly but not sure how much use it'll be to use on the body prior to claying. Cheers 🍻
so wash it down mate with pure shampoo loads of brush work. clean it twice if need be.. rinse it off. go over paintwork with BH korrosol and let it react purple on the paint for 3-4 mis then agitiate it with wash mitt like you are shampooing the car again.. then pressure wash it off. Then dry car... then clay it with BH white clay and soapy water as clay lube in trigger sprayer. then dry off car. and machine or hand polish and wax. I have lots of content in the detailings fudamentals playlist on my channel homepage on all this but also you should check out my Detailing Fundamentals training course with discount code applied which covers the lot in a structures online course.
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@@ForensicDetailing what a legend of a man, thanks alot mate I am watching every single video you release and you're the reason I am getting into detailing, again thanks big man
Interesting one 🤩
Would you be able to leave that panel, outside for 4 weeks and then see how well the application lasts. I have a vehicle that's outside all the time and keen to see which would provide a longer lasting effect.
DS will last the longest no doubt about that this video is a few months old. AG and gyeon theres not much between them in real world conditions. people are reporting 1 month with gyeon which I think is way under estimating it. I use the word "think" because ive had it on my red peril for about 3 weeks and its going strong still. I suspect im going to get like 2-3 months at least. But durability is always subject mate. products I see last 8 months for me in real life other people claim only last 2 weeks.
purchased it right after watching this.
I think you gonna like it dave, with full prep the car is a water magnet repellening beast for a while. its no fusso or DS durability but its very impressive.
beautiful product presentation and highly desirable.
Where can we buy this from Jon? Thankmyou for another great video
no where right now but it will be going on sale with all the UK gyeon stockists tommorrow. So polished bliss, clean and shiny, clean your car etc..
Another great video, thank you,, on a different topic, have you already done a debadging video, can't seem to find it if you have,,
Cheers,,,,
yer cut if off with fish wire or dental floss. clean up the debry of rubber with a detail brush and apc to remove grit... pick off any thick bits.. tar and glue remover to soften and rubber wheel on drill to knock it off or just pick it all off, then polish.
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Thanks, there's tons of CZcams videos, I just wondered if you had done one, as I respect your information 100%., keep up the good work and I'll keep working my way through your back catalogue,, lol.. Atb,, John.
Can you use a drying aid such as Ammo hydrate over the gyeon wax.
yes mate
I can describe AG UHD as Farecla G3 wax on steroids, though application of G3 is the easiest in the world.
Would be interesting to see some PolishAngel spray products on the channel.
Bilt Hamber is a fantastic brand. Fantastic old fashioned customer service too, took the time to help with a query. Miles better than Auto Glym
If you like waxing your car then for the price I think the gyeon is worth a try. The half an hour cure is a bit of a pain. Maybe some will throw a bucket of water over the Mrs daily whilst waiting. I wonder how it performs in hot weather? Enjoyed the review John, thanks:)
I would like to know about mega hot weather as well.. i applied it in the sun but it was only say 17 deg. how does it far at 30 deg days, does it go greasey does it melt in the tube etc.. these are good points.
@@ForensicDetailing now it's officially made "the shelf" and with summer approaching I'm sure you will give it a fair go this year. Thanks again
No mention of its branding..... and design. Do it's ' stick nature ' have advantages for application over the regular pot/tins?
yer more to come on this. its not like an "advantage" in application. Its just like a neat/clever application idea. and implementing this idea requires that extra bit of work and cost that most companies dont do and this can seperate gyeon from the hurd. the down side is the bespoke application method is a tad slow because the applicator is smaller but you can just load onto a bigg appliocator I guess. stay tuned.
Do this provide a better gloss/shine than the Qyeon quick detailer?
you need a slight tweak to your mindset or your thought approach to detailing products. if you think of products "providing" gloss in varying extent your in the wrong place. Think of machine polishing your paint as a way to install gloss by maximising the condition of the paintwork. And then its all about cleaning carefully and using less products to maintain the condition. If you can get into that mindset you will get better results really. enjoy these type of products for what they are. pick one that provides what you need. be more mindfull of how easy they are to help you maintain your excellent finish rather than rely on them to provide that finish.