Why hasn’t cyclocross taken off? It’s fun, better for spectators and families, it’s only an hour and if you’re fit, you can do multiple races. Love gravel, but not everyone wants to do a 4-6hour day. Just curious
I always think cyclocross should be more popular than it is. I’d much rather do a cross race than a criterium. However it is very competition based. It’s not that much ‘fun’ if you’re not seriously racing. I’ve never done a gravel race (it doesn’t exist really in Europe) but it looks like an enjoyable experience for anyone.
@@dopamethyldopa I'd agree on the Regional thing. VC lives in NorCal, which is not wet enough for CX to be "fun". It is very popular on the East Coast of the US.
@TheVeganCyclist is the real deal. He is who he is, on social, and real-life. I got to meet him and ride with him at the Eliel Shake-Out ride at Unbound this year. He rolled up next to me and chatted me up asking about my story I told him I used to weigh 400lbs and decided to make a change and his videos are great motivation and inspiration. He was generally interested and I felt like he showed genuine interest. Thanks for this interview.
Tyler is awesome. Im a Veteran and have been through a lot of trauma and he his videos has got me through some really hard times and ultimately, gave me motivation and resilience to keep going in life and stay alive. Thank you so much Tyler!
Chris, just want to genuinely thank you for the content you produce. Your Nero show is the best thing on CZcams. You and Jesse are brilliant together. Your hard honesty , humor, and the willingness to just say the truth without worrying about what “others” say makes it brilliant. You guys are brilliant because you are totally authentic. Vegan cyclist (who i like) is good because he’s totally genuine. But, different personalities get different responses. I’d rather watch you and jesse - enjoy your sensibilities more. And the worst thing about Tyler’s stuff is his partner. That guy is completely unlikeable. You Jesse, and Tyler should do impossible. Just my 02. Love you from USA.
Gravel is taking off here because riding on the roads in the most of the country is absolutely nuts. Who wants to get coal rolled then run over by a soccer mom?
Yep. I'm an infrastructure professional and there is real momentum to get protected bike lanes and trails so that e-bikes get affordable and replace car trips for more families for groceries, school run etc. I care about that more because of our climate and the 44K Americans who die on roads every year. But, traditional, recreational road riding? Unprotected and on arterial roads, or rural roads with no speed enforcement? Recreational road riding is a young man's game -- which is to say, very limited possible audience. Average vehicle sizes are getting bigger and higher. EVs are heavier than ICE vehicles. The insurance liability and police/EMS costs on road races has got to be insane. It's insane for road running races, too, but those are road closures and little chance of fatal traffic crash.
That is one of the major reasons I retired and moved to the Philippines. Cycling here feels so much safer than anywhere I've ridden in the US. When drivers are used to (from birth) sharing the roads with mopeds, slow motorbikes, goats, carabao AND bicycles , it becomes a much better experience. There is traffic, but I can ride for hours and never go through a traffic light and many times only unclip when I decide to stop at a 7-11.
Another great video guys. I started watching Tyler during lockdown and the quality of some of his videos, especially the impossible route trips which are truly a different class. They deserve to be on Netflix and Tyler deserves the big bucks.
Tyler, your December Daily Vlogs are my favorite thing you do! (And I like it all). I think a month is perfect for that. You couldn’t do it all year, but I appreciate that you do it.
That was the best interview ever. I really appreciate you putting him on the spot. I love Vegan and I think the method you focus him down to simple facts is beautiful. awesome work. keep it up.
My two favorite cycling personalities on CZcams! What a treat to have 2 hours of you guys. Thanks for doing the Nero show, I genuinely look forward to it every week!
I really enjoyed this episode with Tyler Chris, it’s put a lot of things in perspective for me and made me evaluate my goals as a cyclist. I’m 50 next month and I think the days of me being competitive are behind me now certainly don’t see myself on a podium anyway. I still enjoy the odd Crit but I really just want to enjoy riding my bike now and make the most of what time or physical ability so to speak I have left. Tyler makes some good points in your interview. #loveyourwork
I'll be 60 next month and I'm feeling the best is yet to come, there's a strong masters race scene in many countries and also UCI masters worlds in the various cycling disciplines. You can remain competitive at the highest level at any age, with a bit of luck if the desire and ability to sustain consistent training and focus is strong. I know of a few riders who are still racing well into their 70's and can finish ahead of riders 20 years younger.
I don’t think Tyler knows that no one cares about his results. It’s just fun to be a part of his races and rides. You root for him in his triumphs and relate in his losses. I really liked when he raced crits and road races and took us along. I could relate in many ways. The impossible route stuff was ok, but it’s the OG stuff that I loved about VC
Tyler's The Impossible Route series reminds me of The Fifty by Cody Townsend. Long form series, big adventures, not on a channel of the series name, but just as epic with great filming and production. Neither of these properties get the views they deserve. Dustin Klein's Everything's Been Done falls into this adventure/endurance cycling category. He's got a cool style, produces shorter form content more often and seems to be more about riding bikes then winning races. Maybe Tyler should try team up with either, or both, of these other creators.
I’ve watched DK videos. I like his quirky style. Something I’m going to pick up from him for my videos is “Tell me about your bike” he does that often during his epic rides as he comes up on a rider with a cool bike. Watching videos exclusively focused on racing the event don’t interest me all that much. I’ve raced enough ultras at or off the front and sadly off the back too 😂 I don’t really care about watching someone else do it.
as a person who loves to compete - this is why I just race short track MTB and cyclocross - no real team tactics, just racing, which is why I love it - great pod!
Tyler: if you read this... I loved the OG VC content. I can't get into the "cinematic" VC (I thought the original one in Hawaii was cool but after that they became more and more absurd and tedious). I would love to see you chronicle challenging, unusual but actually accessible one day rides/routes in 10-20 min format. Kind of like you've done in the past in and around Yosemite, but elsewhere.
Good content as always Chris. You are one of the few subscriptions I watch every time something new comes out and am genuinely excited to watch/listen. My desire to post a comment on your videos with some regularity is in stark contrast to all of the other content I watch or listen to on CZcams. Looking forward to your continued growth in this space. I appreciate that your videos aren't a big advertisement, but honestly I wouldn't care if you included ads during videos if it allowed for continued/more content.
Not sure how I missed this, but really enjoyed the discussion relating to how you pivoted your channel and also the discussion as to the different options in respect of developing a differentiated business model based on personality, storytelling vs insight and brand support. Based on how well Dan Lloyd has done transitioning from bike racing to GCN to commentator on Eurosport - I’d say that VC would be more than compelling at making the transition to TV / Netflix with the right advice and support. Well done on the really compelling interview style enabling VC to elaborate and open up .
If you have not seen it, I recommend you give a watch to Joe Goetti's chest cam video of his participation in the BWR Cedar City Race. Joe was in the front of the race almost the whole time. His coverage was excellent and the event itself was massively tele-visual. Just an excellent video of a gravel event.
As a brand Tyler: i have and do watch every single impossible route/gravel race and never think they are one and the same. You tell stories very well. The clothing, meh probably wouldnt buy a t shirt or a hat, but if you made some kit with it on...for sure, the colours/logo/message are great and unique
RR is norcal isn't dead , struggling yes but not as tyler portays We actually had good fields in pescadero, Berkely, cats hill, ect.. Also Snelling had good turnout considering it was literally freezing temps. Permits and effects of our late winter/rain effected roads which caused repairs to roads like Winters RR for example. Also, the game playing in races happens everywhere, it's called tactics and racing your bike. This why pros yell at each other every race
Third place at Snelling P12 this year has an FTP that starts with a 2 while VC just did 440W for 10 minutes. Why he thinks he’d be uncompetitive is a great mystery. And yep you’re right, most of these cancellations are due to permitting difficulties and has little to do with turnout. Giro di SF cat 4/5 has 75 registrants (sold out.) The P12 races this season have been very tactical and very fun.
Nearly 2 hours bud. Epic interview. And frankly you have your niche. You are the "Parkie" of cycling. I love the way you draw out frank answers where most interviewees would hedge around and avoid the answers. And Tyler what a legend. Nice to see he has found the balance for his family which is of tremendous value. He hit the nail on the head when he said his relationship with his son would get better but there are only a few golden years for his daughter. Some people miss that window so it is great he has noticed it is a valuable opportunity to grab a hold of something precious.
I wonder if Tyler would ever entertain the idea of creating a narrative for someone else. For instance, what if Keegan’s team came to him and asked if he could create a story around the next race that Keegan participates in? It could be the best of both worlds in that we get to experience the front of the race with a world class rider, but still with Tyler’s storytelling abilities at the forefront.
That's probably where he's headed, whether he knows it or not. He's saying his calling is story telling, doesn't have to be his story, and if he can't find big funding for his stories, there are deep pockets that have stories to tell.
I'm 69 and I love VCs content. VC content is about human drama IMO. The drama of finishing is important to more people than who won. He's about the everyday Joe who rides with a passion and loves riding for just ridings sake. Tyler I like your content because it's so heartfelt and personal. Don't stop keep it up please. Chris, you're doing some real good content too. You're becoming more down to earth with cycling. It's finally not all about crits, fondos, and all that other 2 percent cycling sh.t. I see you cycling and picking up more of VCs passion. Press on with pride. I ride everyday, 69 and feeling fine.
58 and feeling great - the racing stuff and the stuff Chris and Jesse cover such “top selling bikes” blah blah is so not interesting to me. Content about people rather than gear is far more relevant to most people. Everyone feels despair, doubt and pain but not everyone owns or wants to own the latest and greatest equipment.
I’m no expert, but I have some thoughts why road racing is suffering in the US… 1. Cost. A recent regular road race promoter had to cancel his entire series because he could no longer afford the city cost (ie police/traffic control)… 2. Racing itself. Some promoters have relaxed the Cat upgrade process. Once you needed at least ten races before you were allowed to upgrade. Now it’s very few. So you have some racers jumping into a Cat 2/3 race that don’t have the technical skills. That’s a turn off racing with inexperienced riders. 3. Bike costs. Despite sometimes using a second bike, the cost to replace it, or the parts are becoming costlier. One racer who didn’t race this past season cited as much and said it wasn’t worth it to win a sport bottle. Lol 4. Race entry fee. $50 or more to enter one race, plus an additional cost if you’re entering two is for some people, cost prohibitive when you factor in gas and travel time. Just a couple of thoughts.
Seems to me that about 8 years ago I knew heaps of people that rode a lot of road events here in NZ, big turn outs, then gradually more and more of the people I knew were riding Zwift and more and more were spending less time on the road, I noticed they were riding less and less (even in online platforms), event numbers went down and then started to disappear. Yeah it might be a stretch but in my circles I'm blaming the indoor riding platforms for at least dropping the numbers of participants, of course costs, road management have had a factor as well but if I could go back 8 years there were no lack of events, now there is nothing, I repeat, nothing! Then gravel events became more popular and they were laid back but competitive at the front of the field and even a guy like me in my 50's could pull off a win. Then the roadies started to show up in their groups wearing the same kit and they would actively work to eliminate you from their front group, so road tactics made an appearance. I mean they are working to drop a near 60 year old guy (and others of course). I don't bother even entering the gravel events now, the fun has gone and I get more enjoyment in riding from home and doing all day missions that don't involve driving for hours only to get teams working to drop you from the front of the race.
In Ontario gravel is taking over. Road is dead, we used to have fields of 100, last time i raced a big crit we used to have 15 guys showed up and half were masters and the other half were visiting from NZ. Everyone can do gravel at their own pace, unlike a road race where your race is over as soon as you get dropped.
I must say, I’ve found this video very informative and while I had nearly no experience of VC’s channel or videos, I really like how he came across and found him very interesting and articulate. Great video guys.
8:08 competently makes sense! Gravel is getting traction because there are less elite races currently. The day current(no retired) worl tour rides show up to these events they will be like, people are "ruining gravel!" 20:20 Another example. Just imagine Tour of France with age division.
Its already happening, current tour racers were at Unbound this year. The problem isn't European pros showing up. Its that they are complaining about the format/rules trying to bend a distinctly American approach to racing to fit their baggage. Example; aero bars at Unbound. They can say all they want, its got shit to do with safety. They got the axe because Laurens ten Dam threw a bitch fit after losing the 200 to Ivar Slik (who was on aero bars) on camera that got pasted all over YT. When Ted King won on aero bars and a lefty suspension (he argued the susp allowed him to stay aero through more of the race), everyone thought it was awesome. Then Europeans show up and bitching about everything, and the rules get changed. That's the problem.
I've been a cyclist for a couple decades, I've done epic events, road races, I'm an occasional mountain biker/racer, an avid ex-cyclocross racer, and I just don't get gravel. I have a couple friends from my cyclocross days that gravel race. However, I can leave my house and ride various terrain for as long as I like, to find more than an occasional gravel road I would have to drive hours. Cross is intense and a blast, however I don't want to ride a cross bike for 5+ hours, not sure I would want to ride a gravel bike that long. I do get the car free aspect, but once you get outside most cities, country roads seem to be relatively quiet. As for growing the sport, road racing has died in the midwest, criteriums seem to be doing ok, cyclocross and mountain biking are hanging on, and I've noticed a couple gravel races (although not close). The problem I see is the novice/beginner classes. My son did a cyclocross race last year, and the CAT 5 were sporting skin suits and $8k bikes (not exactly beginner friendly). He's started doing some criteriums as well and the CAT 5 are almost always mixed in with the CAT 4's and Masters. It would be really nice if he could race against similar competition. I think to build the sport and get more people participating, we have to make it enjoyable on many levels.
Seems like gravel is the modern cross country mtb’ing. It’s a bottom up response to the conditions in the United States. I like it (from what I know) because it looks enjoyable (sorry, amateur criteriums are pointless) and it’s still close enough to the blue ribband event of cycling (the roads of Europe) that you could imagine a kid ‘coming through’ gravel and making it on the road. The issue with what happened mtb is is became its own thing with very little crossover to the road, other than the occasional 56kg cross country guy.
Team racing in amateur road cycling is incredibly toxic. It's absolutely a huge portion of the current demise of the sport. What used to be something an individual could easily enter and enjoy is immediately gone. Team racing tactics ruin the race. Spending hundreds of dollars and travelling to do a race, only to have the race neutralized by some random team with 8 riders is ridiculous. I will never race a road race with teams again. It needs to be removed from the lower tiers of the sport. If not, it will only more rapidly kill the sport.
Svein Tuft won the Canadian nationals because there was only one pro team in the rac e(his team) and 8 guys working for him. It was a joke, he won with out trying. Granted he was the strongest guy, but the strongest rarely wins Canadian nationals because everybody marks them.
Some teams are ruining the sport by making racing too dangerous. Bro you weigh 100 lbs more than me why are you elbowing me into the curb and then posting a brag video about it? Racing isn’t worth the risk to me of getting wrecked by a 250 lb dude or the ensuing fist fight. Perfectly happy as a no drama solo rider
Thats why I like gravel. I can drop those dudes over the course of a race. Anyone can do 45 mins in the office park. Give me a climb or two and they are gone.
great content (again from you two) especially liked the real talk about the payment side. as a photographer, editor and co i found that you need to find multiple uses for your content. the more usages, the better. back in the day we sold travel stories to a magazine, sometimes 15 mags, to producers etc. you can guess which story was moneywise more interesting.
I think the future of road in the US, are fondos with timed segments (GFNS). The front of fondos are road races (super fun) and if you get dropped there's another group behind to ride with.
@@tadaias8540 In a lot of gravel races there is a "gentleman's agreement" to stop at aid stations for food, water, to pee etc. It's one of the nice things about gravel that appeals to people over road racing. In the last Lifetime Grand Prix series one of the riders talks about how other riders blew past the agreed aid station. It made it more like a cutthroat road race and less "gravel spirited" so to speak. Most other sports have some sort of halftime, timeout, inning, etc. I realize it's a race, but a set timeout in gravel might help even the playing field a bit and make it more enjoyable. Probably safer too.
@@zorcycle People at the front of the race have been skipping aid stations for a long time. The issue isn't the aid station. The issue has been male riders shuttling female racers. If you want to even the field its not about mandating stops. Its about getting rid of teams. No they aren't wearing the same jersey necessarily, but there are teams in gravel.
You are a poison that needs to be stamped out. Your thought process will destroy this country, let alone racing. Some people will never win a race. It's OK. That's life. Let's just put everyone in robot bodies and make everyone equal, right?
@@roadcyclist1 No, males drafting female racers has not been "part of the dynamic" until recently. But given your username, I'm going to assume you fall on the statistical mean and are a beer fueled trog that doesn't actually own a bike, let alone race.
You should become the new Phil Liggett of gravel. Get a couple of ebikes and follow the lead pack and give commentary and do an interview on the bike. Then produce the race edit. I bet every race would allow that for the footage and promotion they'd get.
Yeah, my first bike was a Canyon Roadlite (under $ 1000), so mostly a road bike with flat bar (!), and I turned it into a gravel bike simply by switching the original 28 mm road tires to 38 mm gravel tires.
Maybe it's arrogant because I live in Germany and my whole riding takes place here or in the Netherlands, but if you ask me the reason why everybody moves to gravel in America are the roads, the infrastructure and general traffic culture. Whenever I see footage of riding in America, it basically looks like the worst place the ride a bike with an infrastructure and a society that is 50-60 years behind compared to Europe
I disagree with the society part. But the road infrastructure was designed for cars. You are correct. However, we have had huge bije racing booms (80’s, late 90’s - 2000’s). Armstrong hurt racing after 2012. Then covid and we never recovered. Also, promoters lose money, they don’t break even. It’s definitely dead. Gravel is fantastic.
@LyfeisByke what changed in the USA since the 1970's regarding the traffic? Okay, cars are more modern sure, we have a lot of tesla's... but at the end of the day especially when you get out of the big cities, everybody drives around in a huge ugly pick-up with a trucker cap on, driving skills are very low in general, infrastructure is build around cars, roads are bad, the highway system is a bad joke compared to a German Autobahn...
@@MS-bw7yt you already said you were arrogant but you’re also just falling into the stereotypes of what you think an American is. But ya the autobahn is great for cycling. Have fun with that 🤦🏻♂️
@LyfeisByke Well, indeed from time to time a segment of the Autobahn gets closed down for cyclist. I always enjoy this. I also enjoy traffic, where people can actually drive and had proper training on how to drive a car. Most Americans struggle with super basic thinks like driving a manual. Or holding a straight line on a road that is big enough for an aircraft carrier
Great video. Enjoy your content. To VC on his questions about what content he should produce, I think he is doubting himself too much. We just like the content and stories, it doesn't matter if he wins. At least that's my view as a subscriber. I always enjoy watching The Gravel Cyclist, when he does race videos, even though he is back of the pack. I think for a lot of us that haven't done all these events it's just awesome to see any footage of them. VC produces great footage of gravel events that not all of us can travel to, so after any gravel event I'm always searching CZcams to see if anyone made a video, no matter if they were a back of pack racer or a competitor in the Life Time Series.
When Tyler has a Rode USB mic plugged into his Mac, you know cycling is the wrong sport to make money. 😘 Enjoyed the podcast lads, was great to see you boys again.
You're looking at it all wrong. What happened is a bike standard was developed that allows to road ride where there is hardly any cars. Slack geometry + 40mm tubeless tires with sealant = millions of miles of ridable road with no traffic just opened up all over North America. And the scenery is way better! Yes you could do it before, but it wasn't reliable enough of a bike that felt stable enough for enough people for it to create a critical mass to become a thing. Now that I have a gravel bike, why in the world would I choose to ride or race where there's traffic (injury or death), pollution, crime, whatever's nasty when I can ride someplace nice? Think about it - you're biking for sport, not need. You're going to make your enjoyment as enjoyable as possible. And now that gravel bikes exist, All the gravel roads that were off limits before are now usable and cars hate being on them. It's like if the ability to fly by flapping your arms was suddenly figured out, you two are sitting around wondering what happened to all the stores that sold walking shoes.
American motorists say they view cyclists with helmets on as less than human. That’s why gravel is the future. I did a race recently where my closest calls were with Amish buggies.
Tyler@ love your stuff. Would love you to do more adventure rides in different States. Would be a great way to promote great routes we would never had thought of.
A bunch of people (and myself) got shelled off the back of a super-hard 75 mile road race on a brutal acceleration during a tough climbing section. Except once the climbing was done, a group of 5-10 of us totally could have made it back on-except for the “guys with teammates” who felt it was their duty to not assist. They were actively trying to thwart our chase efforts. This was a Cat3 race. Shit, I had guys from my CLUB in the race, but it certainly wasn’t my duty to not be able to race. Fuck team tactics if you are a weekender. It’s not worth putting in the training time if you’re not trying to also win.
Incredible podcast. I love both of you and the content you produce. One thing that I think is misleading, from my perspective, is that people are starting to think the best riders in the world are racing gravel....they're still racing road. I believe that WVA, MvP, Pidcock, Roglic, Kung, Ganna, Evenepoel, etc. could win any one of these gravel races by a decent margin (barring mechanicals/flats).
The reason Tyler doesn't get big contracts is the same reason why we all want to see top riders making Tyler quality content. There's a piece of the puzzle missing in both cases. But forget contracts grow your brand yourself like the other big social media celebrities, then you don't need outside investors but inevitably they would be sure to follow. The question is how do you get that mass appeal in such a niche space.
It depends on the location: in & around Paris 0 Gravel Races. Dozens of proper, traditional Road Races with old school Local Clubs with teens and masters. All ages, all levels
Yeah this confused me when he was talking about promotors and making money. All amateur races are run by clubs in the UK...doesn't sound like that's the case in the US, like everything it's got to be commercialised...
part of the problem in the us is that shutting roads is a much bigger deal. Logistically and cost wise. Even if a club put the race together it would be so much more expensive than an equivalent event in most of Europe
@@Martin-ls9bz most of the races I’m talking about are non profit. They are organized by cities / and or club themselves. Usually in smaller cities, not big ones. Imagine a 10,000 inhabitant town that’s been hosting a local bike race for the past 25 years. Zero media coverage, zero advertisement but the Clubs know and send their riders… there are different racing leagues according to the levels. Dozens of riders each time, about 50 usually.
I run Ultegra DI2 on my road bike and SRAM Eagle AXS on my gravel bike. Tyler, you indicated that you liked changing out the battery on SRAM, but I find on the Shimano, I need to charge the battery every two or three months. On the SRAM I have to charge the battery or swap it about every two weeks. I think you'll end up liking the Shimano. Just don't forget to periodically check your charge....
Chris Miller still exudes this vibe of " I'm desperate to find my CZcams niche and become an influencer". Not trying to be a dick but this vibe is always there, sometimes closer to the surface than others but always there and ironically, he's closer than ever to accomplishing that so Chris, if you see this, chill out FFS.
True. I like this channel but it's often more about being a CZcamsr than being a cyclist. The content creator stuff gets nauseating to hear about all the time.
Alot of people are still doing fondos. And even more would if it were not for greddy promoters charging over 200 dollars us and dont even have closed roads or full timing
I agree with Vegan on the racing politics with Gravel. They should definitely grow the sport in a way that promotes the amatuer pros. as well as the full time pro's. The racing is equally as exciting in the amatuers. I film my group rides with 30-50 yr olds and those rides are hard + fun to film. When my channel grows to more than a 1 rider camera, I will def. try and do my part in helping the amatuer races get a good chunk of that prize money by filming them more. I feel like more road events would be pick up once the vids start filming amatuer pro's. I would suggest to Tyler to get himself a couple race camera teammates that could domestique him to stay in the front group of some of these races. I'm sure he trains with fast guys; maybe he can hatch a different approach by getting more film footage + some horsepower to compete with the teams.
hood feel. The shifting, the braking is similar enough to where Id never leave Sram for Shimano but as soon as you handle a set of Dura Ace levers you never want to ride Sram again. Their hoods just feel dead compared to Shimano.
UK road racing is almost dead. We had a great crit scene, but that’s starting to die and we had a town/city centre, series, (The Tour Series) fully televised on terrestrial tv that was cancelled this year because of money. Elite men and women’s teams smashing around the UK all through May.
Why hasn’t cyclocross taken off? It’s fun, better for spectators and families, it’s only an hour and if you’re fit, you can do multiple races. Love gravel, but not everyone wants to do a 4-6hour day. Just curious
It's pretty big in Europe. But that might be because all types of cycling are big here
I always think cyclocross should be more popular than it is. I’d much rather do a cross race than a criterium. However it is very competition based. It’s not that much ‘fun’ if you’re not seriously racing. I’ve never done a gravel race (it doesn’t exist really in Europe) but it looks like an enjoyable experience for anyone.
It is regional thing...
It's boring! You know who wins after the first lap.
@@dopamethyldopa I'd agree on the Regional thing. VC lives in NorCal, which is not wet enough for CX to be "fun". It is very popular on the East Coast of the US.
@TheVeganCyclist is the real deal. He is who he is, on social, and real-life. I got to meet him and ride with him at the Eliel Shake-Out ride at Unbound this year. He rolled up next to me and chatted me up asking about my story I told him I used to weigh 400lbs and decided to make a change and his videos are great motivation and inspiration. He was generally interested and I felt like he showed genuine interest. Thanks for this interview.
Tyler is awesome. Im a Veteran and have been through a lot of trauma and he his videos has got me through some really hard times and ultimately, gave me motivation and resilience to keep going in life and stay alive. Thank you so much Tyler!
Chris, just want to genuinely thank you for the content you produce. Your Nero show is the best thing on CZcams. You and Jesse are brilliant together. Your hard honesty , humor, and the willingness to just say the truth without worrying about what “others” say makes it brilliant. You guys are brilliant because you are totally authentic. Vegan cyclist (who i like) is good because he’s totally genuine. But, different personalities get different responses. I’d rather watch you and jesse - enjoy your sensibilities more. And the worst thing about Tyler’s stuff is his partner. That guy is completely unlikeable. You Jesse, and Tyler should do impossible. Just my 02. Love you from USA.
Thanks for the kind words mate. So delighted you “get” what we are doing.
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Gravel is taking off here because riding on the roads in the most of the country is absolutely nuts. Who wants to get coal rolled then run over by a soccer mom?
many soon realize how difficult it is to stay with the pack. and then you are going solo around a parking lot as tyler says.
Yep. I'm an infrastructure professional and there is real momentum to get protected bike lanes and trails so that e-bikes get affordable and replace car trips for more families for groceries, school run etc. I care about that more because of our climate and the 44K Americans who die on roads every year. But, traditional, recreational road riding? Unprotected and on arterial roads, or rural roads with no speed enforcement? Recreational road riding is a young man's game -- which is to say, very limited possible audience. Average vehicle sizes are getting bigger and higher. EVs are heavier than ICE vehicles. The insurance liability and police/EMS costs on road races has got to be insane. It's insane for road running races, too, but those are road closures and little chance of fatal traffic crash.
That is one of the major reasons I retired and moved to the Philippines. Cycling here feels so much safer than anywhere I've ridden in the US. When drivers are used to (from birth) sharing the roads with mopeds, slow motorbikes, goats, carabao AND bicycles , it becomes a much better experience. There is traffic, but I can ride for hours and never go through a traffic light and many times only unclip when I decide to stop at a 7-11.
Only problem with gravel is the occasional bear or bull that wants a piece of you :)
dont live in a major city?
Another great video guys. I started watching Tyler during lockdown and the quality of some of his videos, especially the impossible route trips which are truly a different class.
They deserve to be on Netflix and Tyler deserves the big bucks.
Tyler, your December Daily Vlogs are my favorite thing you do! (And I like it all).
I think a month is perfect for that. You couldn’t do it all year, but I appreciate that you do it.
That was the best interview ever. I really appreciate you putting him on the spot. I love Vegan and I think the method you focus him down to simple facts is beautiful. awesome work. keep it up.
My two favorite cycling personalities on CZcams! What a treat to have 2 hours of you guys. Thanks for doing the Nero show, I genuinely look forward to it every week!
I really enjoyed this episode with Tyler Chris, it’s put a lot of things in perspective for me and made me evaluate my goals as a cyclist. I’m 50 next month and I think the days of me being competitive are behind me now certainly don’t see myself on a podium anyway. I still enjoy the odd Crit but I really just want to enjoy riding my bike now and make the most of what time or physical ability so to speak I have left. Tyler makes some good points in your interview. #loveyourwork
I'll be 60 next month and I'm feeling the best is yet to come, there's a strong masters race scene in many countries and also UCI masters worlds in the various cycling disciplines. You can remain competitive at the highest level at any age, with a bit of luck if the desire and ability to sustain consistent training and focus is strong. I know of a few riders who are still racing well into their 70's and can finish ahead of riders 20 years younger.
I don’t think Tyler knows that no one cares about his results. It’s just fun to be a part of his races and rides. You root for him in his triumphs and relate in his losses. I really liked when he raced crits and road races and took us along. I could relate in many ways. The impossible route stuff was ok, but it’s the OG stuff that I loved about VC
Great chat, love watching Tylers stuff.
Tyler's The Impossible Route series reminds me of The Fifty by Cody Townsend. Long form series, big adventures, not on a channel of the series name, but just as epic with great filming and production. Neither of these properties get the views they deserve.
Dustin Klein's Everything's Been Done falls into this adventure/endurance cycling category. He's got a cool style, produces shorter form content more often and seems to be more about riding bikes then winning races.
Maybe Tyler should try team up with either, or both, of these other creators.
I’ve watched DK videos. I like his quirky style. Something I’m going to pick up from him for my videos is “Tell me about your bike” he does that often during his epic rides as he comes up on a rider with a cool bike.
Watching videos exclusively focused on racing the event don’t interest me all that much. I’ve raced enough ultras at or off the front and sadly off the back too 😂 I don’t really care about watching someone else do it.
as a person who loves to compete - this is why I just race short track MTB and cyclocross - no real team tactics, just racing, which is why I love it - great pod!
Tyler's gravel racing footage is legit best in class.
Tyler: if you read this... I loved the OG VC content. I can't get into the "cinematic" VC (I thought the original one in Hawaii was cool but after that they became more and more absurd and tedious). I would love to see you chronicle challenging, unusual but actually accessible one day rides/routes in 10-20 min format. Kind of like you've done in the past in and around Yosemite, but elsewhere.
Good content as always Chris. You are one of the few subscriptions I watch every time something new comes out and am genuinely excited to watch/listen. My desire to post a comment on your videos with some regularity is in stark contrast to all of the other content I watch or listen to on CZcams. Looking forward to your continued growth in this space. I appreciate that your videos aren't a big advertisement, but honestly I wouldn't care if you included ads during videos if it allowed for continued/more content.
Not sure how I missed this, but really enjoyed the discussion relating to how you pivoted your channel and also the discussion as to the different options in respect of developing a differentiated business model based on personality, storytelling vs insight and brand support. Based on how well Dan Lloyd has done transitioning from bike racing to GCN to commentator on Eurosport - I’d say that VC would be more than compelling at making the transition to TV / Netflix with the right advice and support. Well done on the really compelling interview style enabling VC to elaborate and open up .
If you have not seen it, I recommend you give a watch to Joe Goetti's chest cam video of his participation in the BWR Cedar City Race. Joe was in the front of the race almost the whole time. His coverage was excellent and the event itself was massively tele-visual. Just an excellent video of a gravel event.
As a brand Tyler: i have and do watch every single impossible route/gravel race and never think they are one and the same. You tell stories very well. The clothing, meh probably wouldnt buy a t shirt or a hat, but if you made some kit with it on...for sure, the colours/logo/message are great and unique
RR is norcal isn't dead , struggling yes but not as tyler portays We actually had good fields in pescadero, Berkely, cats hill, ect.. Also Snelling had good turnout considering it was literally freezing temps. Permits and effects of our late winter/rain effected roads which caused repairs to roads like Winters RR for example. Also, the game playing in races happens everywhere, it's called tactics and racing your bike. This why pros yell at each other every race
Third place at Snelling P12 this year has an FTP that starts with a 2 while VC just did 440W for 10 minutes. Why he thinks he’d be uncompetitive is a great mystery. And yep you’re right, most of these cancellations are due to permitting difficulties and has little to do with turnout. Giro di SF cat 4/5 has 75 registrants (sold out.) The P12 races this season have been very tactical and very fun.
Nearly 2 hours bud. Epic interview. And frankly you have your niche. You are the "Parkie" of cycling. I love the way you draw out frank answers where most interviewees would hedge around and avoid the answers. And Tyler what a legend. Nice to see he has found the balance for his family which is of tremendous value. He hit the nail on the head when he said his relationship with his son would get better but there are only a few golden years for his daughter. Some people miss that window so it is great he has noticed it is a valuable opportunity to grab a hold of something precious.
I wonder if Tyler would ever entertain the idea of creating a narrative for someone else. For instance, what if Keegan’s team came to him and asked if he could create a story around the next race that Keegan participates in? It could be the best of both worlds in that we get to experience the front of the race with a world class rider, but still with Tyler’s storytelling abilities at the forefront.
That's probably where he's headed, whether he knows it or not. He's saying his calling is story telling, doesn't have to be his story, and if he can't find big funding for his stories, there are deep pockets that have stories to tell.
I'm 69 and I love VCs content. VC content is about human drama IMO. The drama of finishing is important to more people than who won. He's about the everyday Joe who rides with a passion and loves riding for just ridings sake. Tyler I like your content because it's so heartfelt and personal. Don't stop keep it up please.
Chris, you're doing some real good content too. You're becoming more down to earth with cycling. It's finally not all about crits, fondos, and all that other 2 percent cycling sh.t. I see you cycling and picking up more of VCs passion.
Press on with pride.
I ride everyday, 69 and feeling fine.
58 and feeling great - the racing stuff and the stuff Chris and Jesse cover such “top selling bikes” blah blah is so not interesting to me. Content about people rather than gear is far more relevant to most people. Everyone feels despair, doubt and pain but not everyone owns or wants to own the latest and greatest equipment.
Exactly
I like your perspective on road racing vegan. That's why I gravel, mountain and cyclocross race, I hate team BS
2h with guys that I watch every video. Pure pleasure
I’m no expert, but I have some thoughts why road racing is suffering in the US… 1. Cost. A recent regular road race promoter had to cancel his entire series because he could no longer afford the city cost (ie police/traffic control)… 2. Racing itself. Some promoters have relaxed the Cat upgrade process. Once you needed at least ten races before you were allowed to upgrade. Now it’s very few. So you have some racers jumping into a Cat 2/3 race that don’t have the technical skills. That’s a turn off racing with inexperienced riders. 3. Bike costs. Despite sometimes using a second bike, the cost to replace it, or the parts are becoming costlier. One racer who didn’t race this past season cited as much and said it wasn’t worth it to win a sport bottle. Lol 4. Race entry fee. $50 or more to enter one race, plus an additional cost if you’re entering two is for some people, cost prohibitive when you factor in gas and travel time. Just a couple of thoughts.
50 I wish. Most are close to 100
$50 was 15 years ago in Canada. No idea what is now, once it went over $50 it was no longer worth it.
Seems to me that about 8 years ago I knew heaps of people that rode a lot of road events here in NZ, big turn outs, then gradually more and more of the people I knew were riding Zwift and more and more were spending less time on the road, I noticed they were riding less and less (even in online platforms), event numbers went down and then started to disappear. Yeah it might be a stretch but in my circles I'm blaming the indoor riding platforms for at least dropping the numbers of participants, of course costs, road management have had a factor as well but if I could go back 8 years there were no lack of events, now there is nothing, I repeat, nothing!
Then gravel events became more popular and they were laid back but competitive at the front of the field and even a guy like me in my 50's could pull off a win. Then the roadies started to show up in their groups wearing the same kit and they would actively work to eliminate you from their front group, so road tactics made an appearance. I mean they are working to drop a near 60 year old guy (and others of course). I don't bother even entering the gravel events now, the fun has gone and I get more enjoyment in riding from home and doing all day missions that don't involve driving for hours only to get teams working to drop you from the front of the race.
This guy is the man. Best show yet
Can't agree more about the sleep contest for alot of these ultra events. And definitely not healthy
@@MrSpecialized75 mike Hall?
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In Ontario gravel is taking over. Road is dead, we used to have fields of 100, last time i raced a big crit we used to have 15 guys showed up and half were masters and the other half were visiting from NZ. Everyone can do gravel at their own pace, unlike a road race where your race is over as soon as you get dropped.
you two put together some great content. i hope for some more colabs in the future!
I must say, I’ve found this video very informative and while I had nearly no experience of VC’s channel or videos, I really like how he came across and found him very interesting and articulate.
Great video guys.
8:08 competently makes sense! Gravel is getting traction because there are less elite races currently. The day current(no retired) worl tour rides show up to these events they will be like, people are "ruining gravel!"
20:20 Another example. Just imagine Tour of France with age division.
Its already happening, current tour racers were at Unbound this year. The problem isn't European pros showing up. Its that they are complaining about the format/rules trying to bend a distinctly American approach to racing to fit their baggage. Example; aero bars at Unbound. They can say all they want, its got shit to do with safety. They got the axe because Laurens ten Dam threw a bitch fit after losing the 200 to Ivar Slik (who was on aero bars) on camera that got pasted all over YT. When Ted King won on aero bars and a lefty suspension (he argued the susp allowed him to stay aero through more of the race), everyone thought it was awesome. Then Europeans show up and bitching about everything, and the rules get changed. That's the problem.
@@cjohnson3836 so true!
@@cjohnson3836wut, Ivar is European. It seems to mostly be Americans talking about the spirit of gravel and all that stuff
@@Martin-ls9bz No shit, Sherlock. Ivar's nationality is fucking irrelevant. Christ I wish people had the basic ability to reason...
Love the mic setup.
I've been a cyclist for a couple decades, I've done epic events, road races, I'm an occasional mountain biker/racer, an avid ex-cyclocross racer, and I just don't get gravel. I have a couple friends from my cyclocross days that gravel race. However, I can leave my house and ride various terrain for as long as I like, to find more than an occasional gravel road I would have to drive hours. Cross is intense and a blast, however I don't want to ride a cross bike for 5+ hours, not sure I would want to ride a gravel bike that long. I do get the car free aspect, but once you get outside most cities, country roads seem to be relatively quiet. As for growing the sport, road racing has died in the midwest, criteriums seem to be doing ok, cyclocross and mountain biking are hanging on, and I've noticed a couple gravel races (although not close). The problem I see is the novice/beginner classes. My son did a cyclocross race last year, and the CAT 5 were sporting skin suits and $8k bikes (not exactly beginner friendly). He's started doing some criteriums as well and the CAT 5 are almost always mixed in with the CAT 4's and Masters. It would be really nice if he could race against similar competition. I think to build the sport and get more people participating, we have to make it enjoyable on many levels.
Nice chat guys👍🏼 so glad to see you together. Great collab🔥
Love TVC. Tyler is hella strong, but somehow relatable to us mere mortals, because he is always authentic and humble.
Seems like gravel is the modern cross country mtb’ing. It’s a bottom up response to the conditions in the United States. I like it (from what I know) because it looks enjoyable (sorry, amateur criteriums are pointless) and it’s still close enough to the blue ribband event of cycling (the roads of Europe) that you could imagine a kid ‘coming through’ gravel and making it on the road. The issue with what happened mtb is is became its own thing with very little crossover to the road, other than the occasional 56kg cross country guy.
Great interview, it's always nice to see the human side of content creator's and you two are some of my favorite to watch in the cycling genre.
Team racing in amateur road cycling is incredibly toxic. It's absolutely a huge portion of the current demise of the sport. What used to be something an individual could easily enter and enjoy is immediately gone. Team racing tactics ruin the race. Spending hundreds of dollars and travelling to do a race, only to have the race neutralized by some random team with 8 riders is ridiculous. I will never race a road race with teams again. It needs to be removed from the lower tiers of the sport. If not, it will only more rapidly kill the sport.
Svein Tuft won the Canadian nationals because there was only one pro team in the rac e(his team) and 8 guys working for him. It was a joke, he won with out trying. Granted he was the strongest guy, but the strongest rarely wins Canadian nationals because everybody marks them.
Needing to spend a few hundred for a random RR sounds like a bigger problem than some team tactics
Fantastic interview! Thanks to you both for the thoughtful content!
Some teams are ruining the sport by making racing too dangerous. Bro you weigh 100 lbs more than me why are you elbowing me into the curb and then posting a brag video about it? Racing isn’t worth the risk to me of getting wrecked by a 250 lb dude or the ensuing fist fight. Perfectly happy as a no drama solo rider
Thats why I like gravel. I can drop those dudes over the course of a race. Anyone can do 45 mins in the office park. Give me a climb or two and they are gone.
great content (again from you two) especially liked the real talk about the payment side. as a photographer, editor and co i found that you need to find multiple uses for your content. the more usages, the better. back in the day we sold travel stories to a magazine, sometimes 15 mags, to producers etc. you can guess which story was moneywise more interesting.
I love this, and i quote:"It shifts amazing" but really, the best shifting is #fixed
I think the future of road in the US, are fondos with timed segments (GFNS). The front of fondos are road races (super fun) and if you get dropped there's another group behind to ride with.
Agreed. 10 years ago I would have never even thought about doing a grand fondo but now I’m really drawn to the exact idea you’re talking about.
Banging episode lads. Keep them coming!
Random thought: Would be interesting to see if they implemented a mandatory 2-5 minute stop in gravel races.
@@tadaias8540 In a lot of gravel races there is a "gentleman's agreement" to stop at aid stations for food, water, to pee etc. It's one of the nice things about gravel that appeals to people over road racing.
In the last Lifetime Grand Prix series one of the riders talks about how other riders blew past the agreed aid station. It made it more like a cutthroat road race and less "gravel spirited" so to speak.
Most other sports have some sort of halftime, timeout, inning, etc. I realize it's a race, but a set timeout in gravel might help even the playing field a bit and make it more enjoyable. Probably safer too.
@@zorcycle People at the front of the race have been skipping aid stations for a long time. The issue isn't the aid station. The issue has been male riders shuttling female racers. If you want to even the field its not about mandating stops. Its about getting rid of teams. No they aren't wearing the same jersey necessarily, but there are teams in gravel.
You are a poison that needs to be stamped out. Your thought process will destroy this country, let alone racing. Some people will never win a race. It's OK. That's life. Let's just put everyone in robot bodies and make everyone equal, right?
@cjohnson3836 part of the dynamic and always will be. Deal with it
@@roadcyclist1 No, males drafting female racers has not been "part of the dynamic" until recently. But given your username, I'm going to assume you fall on the statistical mean and are a beer fueled trog that doesn't actually own a bike, let alone race.
You should become the new Phil Liggett of gravel. Get a couple of ebikes and follow the lead pack and give commentary and do an interview on the bike. Then produce the race edit. I bet every race would allow that for the footage and promotion they'd get.
Also, just imagine how juicy almost everyone at a big gravel race is if they take it seriously.
Juicy??
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Yeah, my first bike was a Canyon Roadlite (under $ 1000), so mostly a road bike with flat bar (!), and I turned it into a gravel bike simply by switching the original 28 mm road tires to 38 mm gravel tires.
Maybe it's arrogant because I live in Germany and my whole riding takes place here or in the Netherlands, but if you ask me the reason why everybody moves to gravel in America are the roads, the infrastructure and general traffic culture. Whenever I see footage of riding in America, it basically looks like the worst place the ride a bike with an infrastructure and a society that is 50-60 years behind compared to Europe
50-60yrs behind? 😂. From someone who has actually ridden in America I can tell you it’s great.
I disagree with the society part. But the road infrastructure was designed for cars. You are correct. However, we have had huge bije racing booms (80’s, late 90’s - 2000’s). Armstrong hurt racing after 2012. Then covid and we never recovered. Also, promoters lose money, they don’t break even. It’s definitely dead. Gravel is fantastic.
@LyfeisByke what changed in the USA since the 1970's regarding the traffic? Okay, cars are more modern sure, we have a lot of tesla's... but at the end of the day especially when you get out of the big cities, everybody drives around in a huge ugly pick-up with a trucker cap on, driving skills are very low in general, infrastructure is build around cars, roads are bad, the highway system is a bad joke compared to a German Autobahn...
@@MS-bw7yt you already said you were arrogant but you’re also just falling into the stereotypes of what you think an American is. But ya the autobahn is great for cycling. Have fun with that 🤦🏻♂️
@LyfeisByke Well, indeed from time to time a segment of the Autobahn gets closed down for cyclist. I always enjoy this.
I also enjoy traffic, where people can actually drive and had proper training on how to drive a car. Most Americans struggle with super basic thinks like driving a manual. Or holding a straight line on a road that is big enough for an aircraft carrier
Great video. Enjoy your content. To VC on his questions about what content he should produce, I think he is doubting himself too much. We just like the content and stories, it doesn't matter if he wins. At least that's my view as a subscriber. I always enjoy watching The Gravel Cyclist, when he does race videos, even though he is back of the pack. I think for a lot of us that haven't done all these events it's just awesome to see any footage of them. VC produces great footage of gravel events that not all of us can travel to, so after any gravel event I'm always searching CZcams to see if anyone made a video, no matter if they were a back of pack racer or a competitor in the Life Time Series.
When Tyler has a Rode USB mic plugged into his Mac, you know cycling is the wrong sport to make money. 😘
Enjoyed the podcast lads, was great to see you boys again.
Why? I don't know anything about mics. Sound was good I thought?
Every cycling club in my area is now hosting gravel rides and gravel races. It’s appealing to XC MTB racers and to roadies sick of the traffic
You're looking at it all wrong. What happened is a bike standard was developed that allows to road ride where there is hardly any cars. Slack geometry + 40mm tubeless tires with sealant = millions of miles of ridable road with no traffic just opened up all over North America. And the scenery is way better! Yes you could do it before, but it wasn't reliable enough of a bike that felt stable enough for enough people for it to create a critical mass to become a thing. Now that I have a gravel bike, why in the world would I choose to ride or race where there's traffic (injury or death), pollution, crime, whatever's nasty when I can ride someplace nice? Think about it - you're biking for sport, not need. You're going to make your enjoyment as enjoyable as possible. And now that gravel bikes exist, All the gravel roads that were off limits before are now usable and cars hate being on them. It's like if the ability to fly by flapping your arms was suddenly figured out, you two are sitting around wondering what happened to all the stores that sold walking shoes.
Great video Chris and great insight. Two very nice and interesting guys 👍
Matteo Jorgenson just did a race in Maryland. I am sure Jumbo will be paying him more than a gravel race will.
Great video. I've really got a better perspective on VC.
Definitely your best podcast so far.
Glad you think so!
Such a great chat with VC.
Golden State Race Series…always a great NorCal race weekend
This episode made me subscribe. Please keep them coming. Cheers
American motorists say they view cyclists with helmets on as less than human. That’s why gravel is the future. I did a race recently where my closest calls were with Amish buggies.
Ha I know a couple guys with brain injury from being kicked by a horse.
This was awesome, basically unpausable.
Sorry - repeat commenter - it timestamp 1:02:28 is astounding. Little do we know. Props for the honest reveal
I get a feeling of a really cool cross continental respect between you two. Great stuff gentlemen.
Took me 4 days to get thru all that, but enjoyed every minute of it.
Chris keep it up … the videos are dope
Tyler@ love your stuff. Would love you to do more adventure rides in different States. Would be a great way to promote great routes we would never had thought of.
I switched over to gravel because of Vegen cyclists videos. ❤
A bunch of people (and myself) got shelled off the back of a super-hard 75 mile road race on a brutal acceleration during a tough climbing section. Except once the climbing was done, a group of 5-10 of us totally could have made it back on-except for the “guys with teammates” who felt it was their duty to not assist. They were actively trying to thwart our chase efforts. This was a Cat3 race. Shit, I had guys from my CLUB in the race, but it certainly wasn’t my duty to not be able to race. Fuck team tactics if you are a weekender. It’s not worth putting in the training time if you’re not trying to also win.
Incredible podcast. I love both of you and the content you produce. One thing that I think is misleading, from my perspective, is that people are starting to think the best riders in the world are racing gravel....they're still racing road. I believe that WVA, MvP, Pidcock, Roglic, Kung, Ganna, Evenepoel, etc. could win any one of these gravel races by a decent margin (barring mechanicals/flats).
Excellent interview/discussion.
This was awesome!
ohhhh yess!!! mah man is back!!
Thanks!
You guys are great together. Very interesting conversation.
The reason Tyler doesn't get big contracts is the same reason why we all want to see top riders making Tyler quality content. There's a piece of the puzzle missing in both cases. But forget contracts grow your brand yourself like the other big social media celebrities, then you don't need outside investors but inevitably they would be sure to follow. The question is how do you get that mass appeal in such a niche space.
you can plug an external battery into a shimano di2 system and charge it while riding. Not sure what he's on about.
Hello from Poland :)
Thanks for this! Awesome work.
Glad you liked it!
SOLID interview!!
It depends on the location: in & around Paris 0 Gravel Races. Dozens of proper, traditional Road Races with old school Local Clubs with teens and masters. All ages, all levels
Yeah this confused me when he was talking about promotors and making money. All amateur races are run by clubs in the UK...doesn't sound like that's the case in the US, like everything it's got to be commercialised...
part of the problem in the us is that shutting roads is a much bigger deal. Logistically and cost wise. Even if a club put the race together it would be so much more expensive than an equivalent event in most of Europe
@@Martin-ls9bz most of the races I’m talking about are non profit. They are organized by cities / and or club themselves. Usually in smaller cities, not big ones. Imagine a 10,000 inhabitant town that’s been hosting a local bike race for the past 25 years. Zero media coverage, zero advertisement but the Clubs know and send their riders… there are different racing leagues according to the levels. Dozens of riders each time, about 50 usually.
I run Ultegra DI2 on my road bike and SRAM Eagle AXS on my gravel bike. Tyler, you indicated that you liked changing out the battery on SRAM, but I find on the Shimano, I need to charge the battery every two or three months. On the SRAM I have to charge the battery or swap it about every two weeks. I think you'll end up liking the Shimano. Just don't forget to periodically check your charge....
Great interview!
Chris Miller still exudes this vibe of " I'm desperate to find my CZcams niche and become an influencer".
Not trying to be a dick but this vibe is always there, sometimes closer to the surface than others but always there and ironically, he's closer than ever to accomplishing that so Chris, if you see this, chill out FFS.
True. I like this channel but it's often more about being a CZcamsr than being a cyclist. The content creator stuff gets nauseating to hear about all the time.
@@charliedillon1400 Yes it does!
VC's RPM rates for his videos sound crazy low wtf. Especially as majority of his audience is surely North American
Excellent interview. I'm an even bigger fan of both channels now.
Alot of people are still doing fondos. And even more would if it were not for greddy promoters charging over 200 dollars us and dont even have closed roads or full timing
I think teams are more important at certain levels of racing. They keep people in the sport more as they’re more social maybe?
I agree with Vegan on the racing politics with Gravel. They should definitely grow the sport in a way that promotes the amatuer pros. as well as the full time pro's. The racing is equally as exciting in the amatuers. I film my group rides with 30-50 yr olds and those rides are hard + fun to film. When my channel grows to more than a 1 rider camera, I will def. try and do my part in helping the amatuer races get a good chunk of that prize money by filming them more. I feel like more road events would be pick up once the vids start filming amatuer pro's. I would suggest to Tyler to get himself a couple race camera teammates that could domestique him to stay in the front group of some of these races. I'm sure he trains with fast guys; maybe he can hatch a different approach by getting more film footage + some horsepower to compete with the teams.
I ride gravel because I won't get hit by some driver watching tik toks
Next impossible route ride from crit to crit one in each state
hood feel. The shifting, the braking is similar enough to where Id never leave Sram for Shimano but as soon as you handle a set of Dura Ace levers you never want to ride Sram again. Their hoods just feel dead compared to Shimano.
Great interview.
Gravel has jump the shark.
UK road racing is almost dead.
We had a great crit scene, but that’s starting to die and we had a town/city centre, series, (The Tour Series) fully televised on terrestrial tv that was cancelled this year because of money.
Elite men and women’s teams smashing around the UK all through May.
11-34 smart cyclists cassette of choice
VC doesn't like cadence control and efficient chain lines though, therefore 1X is better.
Loved this