Crass Course: New York Hardcore
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- History Lesson and overview of the New York Hardcore Scene of the 80’s and 90’s along with a rundown on the impact it had on Hardcore forever. Plus a few added thoughts from your’s truly
Spotify playlist:
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Crossover Thrash Video:
• Crass Course: Crossove...
SelloutClub videos:
Background Music
“California Pipeline” by Murphy’s Law
• California Pipeline
“World Peace” by Cro-Mags
• World Peace
“Cheap Thrills” by Killing Time
• Cheap Thrills
“Two Sides” by Gorilla Biscuits
• Two Sides
“Ashes, Ashes” by Sheer Terror
• Ashes, Ashes
“New Ethic” by Earth Crisis
• New Ethic
“No Remorse” by Crown of Thornz
• No Remorse
“Fallen” by Irate
• Fallen - Hudba
It's nice to see somebody talk about the underground bands. So often these CZcams Punk documentaries only mention Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Religion and NOFX, as if these were the most underground bands out there.
Urban Waste FTW! My band just did a small tour with them a few weeks ago
My top 3 are Sick of it All, Cro-Mags, and Agnostic Front
Cryptic Slaughter, Wehrmacht,S.O.D….are my favs
warzone?
killing time, gorilla biscuits, and denied
Sick of it all.
Madball.
Agnostic Front.
My all time fave is GB
Mike Score was my history teacher in sophomore year of high school. He told me a lot about the punk scene back in the early 90s here in NY.
bro they weren't playing punk shows not even back then, they formed in what 1992? have u ever seen em live??? Mike goes just as hard on stage as he did back in the 90s and early 2000s it's dope AF!
I wish I could see em at a hometown show in a more intimate setting. they used to have hatebreed opening for THEM back in the day like at The Chance and at NYC shows a lot too tho 😅 the scene was super violent back then, virtually no cops EVER at shows back in the 90s haha 😅 That's crazy....
@@eatassonthefirstdate I’m not taking about them playing punk shows. Just about the scene in general and the bands he used to see play back then, I was a crusty little punk and he was into a lot of punk and hardcore so we talked a lot. This was back in 2003-2004 so it’s been a long time. And yes, we used to go see them play in Poughkeepsie when they would play shows on the weekends.
@@calicojakk9974 yeah That's the city the chance is in right?
but AOW is technically from Newburgh though right aren't they a little bit upstate from NYC?
I mean they played all those venues in the NY are like Philly at the Unitarian Church n shit, the jersey venues, Webster hall way up north , then which venue is the big one in Connecticut, it's a club where like ALL the shows are at in CN I don't remember it's damn name though!! the acacia strain always plays there. is it the Palladium? or is that place is Mass?? im from the Pittsburgh/Erie/Cleveland/Youngstown area so im not super proficient in all them venues over there lol
@@eatassonthefirstdate One doesn't have to be from NYC or upstate to have been to shows there.
Queens, NY is huge influence on sound of NYHC...it was nicknamed "Heavy Metal Queens" before hardcore. It's bc so many metalhead kids happened to be from that borough and they brought it into hardcore. (FYI..majority of NYHC bands were from Queens)
One Second Thought
SO glad you mentioned Sick of it All! That was my first NYHC band I really got into, I was in Jr high lol back in the 90s. It was so awesome 🤘🏼
New York Hardcore is super influential on so much modern aggressive music. I’m a fan of the metallic hardcore stuff and old school NYHC bands. But as we grow older I’m beginning to love the youth crew stuff a ton. Congratulations on two years of sobriety by the way! My top three bands are Cro Mags, Madball and Shelter
No matter what, NYHC is always my go to music to feel good. And workouts. And housecleaning. Shits just dope, and I’m not even saying that because I’m from NYC.
So glad I grew up in the 80s hanging out in the LES seeing all these bands and being in the scene
jellly
LUCKY bro..,... lol I wasnt born early enough lol I came out to play in 84😅
were you really at CBGB matinee shoes n shit, seriously?
@eatassonthefirstdate yes...damn near every Sunday man. There was a paper called "the village voice" and it would have listings in the back of whqt bands were playing at what clubs etc. So me and my buddy George would check and see who was playing where, hop on the LIRR train and head into Manhattan, grab a subway from 34th down town to Houston Street, and walk over. We were both 16 at the time. I also played there once too with a hard-core band (nutjob). Great times man. Now I'm old and broken and can't wait to get out of NYC. Times change and politicians combined with technology ruin everything
in my humble opinion the best hardcore scene by far, and one band to mention is candiria. Great video again 👏👏👏
Only recently found your channel and loving it 🙏 Being from Australia I’ve witnessed the local scene evolve/dissolve and rehash itself. Love NYHC as it was my introduction to hardcore. My brother returned from the USA in 1997 with SOIA’s Built To Last, California Takeover (Snapcase; Strife & Earth Crisis Live) and Rev Records In-Flight Program… changed my life forever. 44 this year and still love hardcore, punk and all it’s branches
No mention of Kraut?! They were a huge part of the creation of the NY hardcore scene at the very start of the 80s. With guitarist Doug Holland later joining Cro-Mags and appearing on their first 3 albums.
Fuck yeah.. knew those guys. First met after they opened up for The Clash at Bonds .One of the best early HC shows was their Adjustment to society release show at The Cadillac Club. Opening up was Antidote...fucking awesome. I think they set the definitive sound for NYHC musically.Louie was awesome front man his vocals were more aggressive, less whiney than other early HC especially LA scene bands. We got them to come out to Jersey a few times playing at Patrix's in Brunswick and other long gone venues. Nunzio gave me a huge stack of Thou shall not kill 45s . I handed them out to friends in other bands like candy. Who knew that they would be like gold for collectors years later.
I grew up in this music scene and am now in my 40s. You did a great job covering the bases.
Props for mentioning Krishnacore. That stuff is awesome.
Dope vid! Ur list there was like the sound track to my teens. Nice one for the Knuckledust mention, shout-out from the UK ;)
bravo dude - as a kid who grew up watching NYHC shows at CBs it was fun catching your recap
Earth crisis is the fuckin SHIT!!!! I remember sitting in my homies room in high school and being introduced to them. Absolutely stunning! I listen to them almost every day still!
Got me into veganism in 96, when I was 16 years old! Been on that flex ever since, over 25 years n goin strong :)
Big respect for mentioning Knuckledust and showing live footage. I've been involved in UKHC since the mid 90s
Stampin ground underrated as fuck. They were copied allot
Special Move were fantastic as well. Top lads with a very wicked sense of humour.@@davidemmons4670
Great video! Very spot-on evolution, and the old show footage really has me missing my B.C. Rich NJ.
Really awesome video,man. Can’t wait for the Horror Punk video and would love to see a video all about Beatdown Hardcore.
Cool video. I got to see Youth of Today and Gorilla biscuits when they toured the U.K. in the very early ‘90s. Great gigs. My band also got to open for Slapshot in around 1990 in Liverpool.
You're doing a bangup job, kiddo. Keep pumping these videos out 🤟🤟🤟
Awesome video Jack. Also great to meet you at the Kraken a few weeks ago!
I’m more of a metal person who has been getting really into punk (pretty much all I’ve been listening to the past few months), so while I’ve heard many good things about the NY hardcore scene, I have yet to listen to more than a couple bands from it (I absolutely love Reagan Youth, Gorilla Biscuits and Agnostic Front though). I now have a massive list of bands from this video to check out, thank you very much!
Cheers! Enjoy!
Bro I same I more of a metal fan specially thrash but hardcore goes really hard specially the Cali Scene you should check out gulch , drain and sunami all great bands
@@mr_newvegas4084 I love all three of those bands, especially Sunami
Discharge, broken bones, English dogs, the exploited , charged gbh
Deadheat , mindforce, section h8 are also really good
Iwas lucky enough to meet (and got to record their vocals on our album) Vinnie and Roger when we toured with them here in Australia and man when Cro mags came that was amazing, John gave me his book and bout 3-4 other books on Krishna and veggie diets. I didnt get into those but his book is amazing.
Just Subscribed!! Been looking for a channel like this!
Happy to see Sheer Terror getting some love.
My top 3 NY Hardcore bands is Earth Crisis.
Really cool to see Knuckledust getting a mention. The LBU scene in London was/is super interesting and I love when people outside the UK recognise it.
Another superb video
Great videos man!
Hey congrats on your sobriety. Also, I saw Avail w/ Act of Faith in the 90s, so this really brings back memories! I still miss Bow bopping around the stage contributing his occasional screams. Also, you mentioned Bouncing Souls on another episode. I lived in Richmond when they were a thing. Wish I'd seen 'em. I was lucky enough to the the Eskalators in Richmond though. This video got me kind of emotional actually.
Saw Madball last week, they f-ing rocked!
1)H2O
2)Life of Agony
3) Helmet
4) Madball
Spotify playlist to go along with a vid is such a great idea
Great video youngblood! You got a lot of the early New York stuff correct! My name is JR and I grew up in Jersey. I was there for a lot of the early stuff from about '83 on. I used to go to those Sunday matinees at cbgb's. if you never heard of lethal aggression and crucial fun those are two pioneering Jersey bands from that era. Check them out they're really good! anyways, keep up the good work! some of us old timers appreciate seeing you youngsters appreciating and paying tribute. ROCK ON! BLOOD CLOT AND L.E.S CREW FAWEVVVAAAHHH!
Great job on this video!! I was there and you paid respect
Many people love to harp on any NYHC videos attempting to tell the history. and they'll criticize these videos. I grew up in NYC and I still live in the LES. And personally, I love when people bring attention to the scene and bands to a wider audience. Giving people a chance to hear bands that they maybe would've never heard before. For that, I give much kudos and props to you, my Man. Cheers.
Man, I grew up on Agnostic Front, Madball, SOIA, Biohazard, Carnivore, Life of Agony, Murphy's Law, etc. And speaking of Murphy's Law, I'm seeing em next Thursday with Ignite. Will be my 7th time seeing Jimmy and Co. Always a fun time! Great video, dude! I subscribed, so I'll definitely be checking out more stuff. Awesome hearing from a guy 20 years younger than me who's so into this stuff. I envy how easily accessible this music is to kids these days. I had to take the bus to downtown Denver to go to Wax Trax to find this stuff! But then again those were great memories.
Excellent research. You hit everything from clubs/venues coming and going. To the bands, flyers and most importantly that music was the focus through all that.
. NJHC/NYHC
The Youth Brigade you mentioned in the beginning was the Los Angeles band that founded BYO records. The other Youth Brigade on Dischord Records are from D.C.
That's my favorite ST shirt I've ever seen! Need it!
Crass Course! I like it
Youth Brigade album cover screenshot is from the LA /BYO Youth Brigade. Youth Brigade DC was different band
Noted. if necessary I’ll have a pic of the DC bands album/7” next time.
I’ve never been huge on either Youth Brigade tbh. Nothing wrong with them just seemed like nothing substantial
Grew up in the early 90s and was into metal at first. I found out about hardcore around 1993.
My top 3 NYHC : Life of agony ,Biohazard and Agnostic front
I'm 44 years old and still live in the past man. Just threw down at the free madball show in thompkins square park last month in NYC. My old man back can still windmill boi
Nice drop mentioning Chain of Strength
THIS is the scene that I cut my teeth in! Too bad D9 wasn’t mentioned. But a good 15 minute crash course in NYHC. Good on ya!
Congrats on giving Judge ONE WHOLE SECOND of coverage in your mentions. Nice work.
25talife live in japan, a fun listen
Great channel. Finally someone who actually likes punk and hc speaks about it
SOIA was the first punk band I fell in love with besides the Ramones. As a the diehard nu-metal kid I was a few years ago it was so different, so cool, so I hold them very close. Although many Though Hardcore guys despite H2O I really love them, IDK they make me feel like the happiest man on earth even if I had a bad day. Madball may not be my favorite one, but I really dig some of their stuff. There's a lot of band among the ones you talked about I didn't know, well I guess I've got some work to do, I'll surely dig the melodic stuff you talked about if they sound similar to H2O. Awesome video man.
Yeah definitely check out CIV and Lifetime if you fuck with H2O. Good Riddance and 88 Fingers as well.
Tbh Shelter (the krishnacore band I mentioned) is another great melodic hardcore band too
@@thepunkhistorian6397 Thanks man, I'll check them up. Keep the great job moving
Murphy's Law don't get much love, probably because of dominant straight edge culture in hxc/punk. I enjoy them a lot, fun band.
They got mad love back in the day. Jimmy is a good dude funny as fuck. I have good memories of him both on and off stage. The early scene was small you'd see same 40/50 ppl at shows through the years whether was A7, CBGB matinee or Ritz shows. Things started changing late 80s early 90s. Some old school dudes left the scene when shit got stupid with newbie crews started ratpacking others and brandishing weapons in the pit. No one picked u back up or caught you when stagediving.The camaraderie was gone. Turned into high school hallway poser drama.
Hearing someone saying "Sick of it All and Biohazard".... It brings back memories!
Gonna need a full Reagan Youth video, they were like RKL's counterpoint in terms of skill from the east coast. Paul Cripple ripped it up on Pop Classics!
In the future definitely !
Cool vid kinda bummed didn’t touch on Snapcase but u did mention VOD! Soooo many amazing bands from that time probably so hard to put all in a 15 min vid. A band from philly but kept up the horror core of the misfits was Ink and dagger such a good band. Thanks again.
I'm from upstate. But made it to many cb matinees. So much fun. Everyone was really super cool. I never had a bad time. Just NYHC !!!
Fantastic memories and great people in the NY/NJ scene
You said a line about a 'sound' spreading pre-internet. It was all about the Postal service - Zines & tape trading was our internet. Even, as I was, living in England you were in touch with like minded Hardcore nuts all over the world. Most of my music at that time was from trading tapes or buying tapes, flexis, or 7 &12 inches directly from bands..
This channel is pure gold and a godsend for music history nerds thank you sm
I saw Cro-Mags in Berkley in the mid-80s it was one of the best punk shows I ever went to...
What venue?
@@dobermadd It was at Gillman St.
@@milomenard8189 damn noice!
FUCK earth crisis is my shit. so happy this channel exists and I discovered it
I appreciate your cold as life mention.
Madball!!!!
The only NY hardcore band I dig and know is 25 ta Life I had the split with Spazz and check them out after that ep I do use some hardcore break riffs in my guitar playing I dig your channel and your knowledge of these kick butt bands. You keep rocking man 😎🤘
Sworn Enemy is great just listened to them earlier. I discovered all that stuff in the late 90s/early 2000s
I was in my preteen/teen years during the late eighties and early nineties and I loved the hardcore scene and even though I was young and small I'd get in the action and the OGs would pick me up off the floor in the mosh pit, pat me on the back and it was all so much fun. The Boston and greater Massachusetts scene was small but loyal and super tight I felt like I was with family with many if those guys.
Very good video! Have you thought about doing a video on the SoCal hardcore scene? (Bands like Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, TSOL, etc)
Yeah I definitely will talk about CA hardcore at some point. DK and Black Flag will both get stand alone vids of their own as well.
Love the knuckledust shout out
Thanks for making all about NYHC video! I'm Indonesian and I started to listening to hardcore all thanks to my high school friend. I listened to Agnostic Front and then Madball. There are lots of hardcore bands in this country.
Just asking, what are your opinions about getting relate the NYHC culture without getting involved to violence and gang stuff? Peace upon be you, guys.
Think it’s a mistake to include Earth Crisis. Earth Crisis were from Central New York and did not come out of the NYC scene. They took influence from the Youth Crew scene, but also a lot of Thrash and Peace Punk. I remember Karl walking around Syracuse with huge liberty spikes, skating and listening to Slayer. I just don’t see them on a family tree with Sick of All, AF and so on.
Correct.
When you got into the 90s hardcore scene.
It would be cool if you did something on screamo.
Cause even tho, as documented online, it started in San Diego, and that is true. But for some reason bands like Saetia and angel hair and a few years later PG99 etc.
But it’s cool that somehow such an extreme genre that is very much an acquired taste somehow blew up on one side of the country and spawned others on the other side without ever hearing one another for a few years. I don’t know how that happened. But would be interested
Oh yeah, this me lol My City does it like none other. I'm a little more Nausea than Cro-Mags in a lotta ways, but NYHC had such an influence on me. Coming from the hood, poor asl, raised on hip hop, soul, and a little reggae, being "mixed", etc, but getting into punk mad young, it just fit. Aggression, often political, gangs, gritty and real, street af, groovy riffs that most anybody can appreciate, it just had it all.
1 Biohazard
2. Sick of it All
3 Youth of Today
4 Gorilla Biscuits
5 Judge
6 Bold
7 Agnostic Front
8 Sheer Terror
9 Helmet
10 Slapshot
Honorable Mention: 7 Seconds
Biohazard has always been my favorite (I have a Bio-Tat on my chest), but I play more Sick of it All more than anything.
3 of those aren't nyhc
Biohazrd wasn't either actually . That was more metal , but I'd give em a pass, even though they had racist origins.
@@MyMiserableLife complete bullshit
@@MyMiserableLife lol
Youth Of Today are from Connecticut, Slapshot are from Boston and Helmet aren't even hardcore in the slightest.
Cavity Creeps, Adrenalin OD, Even Worse, Virus, The Abused, Kraut, Nihilistics, No Thanks, Heart Attack: I was in the thick of it early. An out of towner early to mid 80's.
You're only 24? I sure wish you could've left that part out. Just made me feel really old. These bands were ALL before your time so it's really cool that you like them.
Agnostic Front, Murphys Law, Cro-mags Warzone, Gorilla Biscuits and Crumbsuckers... You can't go wrong with these bands though Roger Merit From Agnostic Front can be an acquired taste, especially live, these days but I still love that voice of his, been a fan since 1985.
Love ur vids
awesome
YoT, GB, and ExC are my three favorite bands from the northeast. long live hardcore
VOD first album was SO heavy!
And again, zero mention of NJHC who gave everyone One4One, NJ Bloodline, Faction Zero, Distress, etc. Just to name a few...oh and IDK who could have been huge but Red got hired by PSE&G and still there, played on almost every hardcore show at The Pipeline & Studio 1 in Newark, Down Under in New Brunswick, Maxwell's in Hoboken and thousands of VFW halls. NJ shows in the early to semi later 1990's were so good and never got the recognition they deserved!
Please do more on Reagan Youth. They are my favorite band.
Upstate hardcore is also an interesting topic mostly because no bands ever blew up. But the sounds is a hybrid of New England thrash and NY×HC. I grew up in the Albany area and you still see a resurrection of this weird hybrid every couple years.
Sick of It All 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Best show we ever played was with Murphy's Law
No love for Snapcase? I did appreciate the Deadguy mention, basically the inspiration for the entire djent scene.
There’s a clip of snapcase but I didn’t mention them by name. Sometimes I’ll do that when the scripts get too long and I don’t have enough room to squeeze everybody in.
Deadguy was tight, been a while since I sat down with “Fixation on a Coworker”. Not a djent fan myself, but I respect what it’s about. Thanks for the view
That same urban hardcore style was it in the nineties in Boston. We wore A shirts, Dickies, hoodies etc...it was like punk meets skater meets hip-hop.
We paved the way for modern hardcore and to an extent modern metal
I found the scene in the 90's so it's vod, mad ball, 25 ta life, but my personal favorites lihc: neck and overthrow I really liked e town concrete and hate breed too
Can’t wait to see the horror punk video!
Hell yea dude that one’s gonna be a banger
Great work man! And me just being picky I wouldn't put Earth Crisis as part of the NYHC scene. Killer band, very influential in the birth of what later be known as metallic hardcore.
true story. earth crisis was syracuse ny. and honestly they werent even good. it was all about the tough guy mentality and overcompensating. if you are at all familiar with syracuse ny you would realize it was so foolish and silly these suburban kids could ever think they were actually tough, hence the overcompensating.
@@pimtool9351 ?? then what about all the beatdown bands? earth crisis still had a message, non of the beatdownbands did
@@asfdse9706 I don't understand your point. Mine was that earth crisis was not a nyhc band and that they sucked and we're shitty fake tough guys from the suburbs. Of central NY. They used to have this gang of beatdown kids as "security" at their shows hanging out with baseball bats and brass knuckles threatening anyone they thought didn't "belong" there
@@pimtool9351 i would also argue from this vid, that he said what followed earth crisis was bands like Integrity when Integrity pre dates earth Crisis by like 4 yrs
Agree they are upstate ny which you could do a whole video for buffalo, cuse, alb/Troy and newburgh
Discharge heavily influenced east coast hard core
Best comps for NYHC imo: Where The Wild Things Are on Blackout Records and New York City Hardcore - The Way it Is on Revelation Records
Named them around 8:50
There’s a couple clips of them in there too.
@@thepunkhistorian6397 okay, the Together 7 inch. Go get that one ; ) a few tracks that didn't make it onto the way it is, are found only there, Bold, Side by Side are two.
Too many favorites from late 80s, all influenced by nyhc:
Bold
Side by Side
Turning Point
Upfront
Wide Awake
Unit Pride
Youth of today
Chain of Strength
No for an answer
Inside Out (rage against the machine was a song of Zack's before he named a band that)
Uniform Choice
Verbal Assault
Gorilla Biscuits
Judge
Warzone (rip Ray)
Brotherhood
Powerhouse
Mouthpiece
And never forget Project X !!
gorilla biscuits -new direction,still to this day my favorite song from the new york hardcore scene ,not to mention raised fist made an aw(e)some cover,as well the seel stamp of nyhc warzone ,which are not mentioned enough now of days ,was fun ,one thing hardcore had that punk did not was,somekind of discipline ,at least keeping some muscle strenght
Blood for Blood vid sometime please ! ( & you got the poster, DAYGLOW )
My top 3
Reagan Youth,Beastie boys and Agnostic Front
The hip hop influence is apparent if you listen to KRS ONE endorse Sick of it all on Blood sweat and no tears album from 1989. I'm not far from NYC and it's definitely it's own thing I can listen to some of the classics once in awhile still like Gorilla biscuits hold a special place in my heart along with Agnostic fronts early stuff and that sick of it all e.p I mentioned. I enjoy your videos even though I kinda moved on from punk and don't listen to as much. Video suggestion do a video on The Dead Milkmen nobody talks about this Philadelphia punk oddity and they were great. Saw them live on acid when I was a kid it was great.
Keep it up
My top 3 - Dylan, Dylan and Dylan. He spits hot fire
Can you do a video about goregrind?
you should do a segment on Revelation records