Discharge: The Godfathers of Crust
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2021
- Historical overview of the classic UK hardcore band: Discharge! Along with some info on the Roberts brother’s side band Broken Bones and a few D-Beat recs and personal thoughts from yours truly.
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Background Music (all songs by Discharge unless otherwise noted):
“Protest and Survive”
• Discharge-Protest And ...
“Drunk with Power”
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“Missing Link” by Broken Bones
• Missing Link
“Hype Overload”
• DISCHARGE - Hype Overload
“The Broken Law”
• Discharge The Broken... - Hudba
I think Discharge has been such an influence on so many because they just have a very intense, original, and signature energy. Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing is one of the most energetic albums I’ve heard and it’s easy to see how theyve influenced so many great bands. That album never loses its energy no matter how many times I hear it. Great music, great lyrics/vocals, and very energetic vibe. Discharge is brilliant
But thats the only good one
@@californiapoontappa even if it was it’s the only good album they need. It more than makes up for a lack of good music in their later years
@@yaboyreege7158 Check out "DISCHARGE" from 2002 with Cal and the original band. It jams. "You Deserve Me' is killer. Non Stop. Cal did not want to tour so it went unnoticed by some. I like the last album with JJ on vocals. Big riffs and chaos! The metal years with Cal and even Rat I don't like at all. The new stuff is good.
well said, brother!
The band that opened the gates of extreme music. Thanks Historian
They were the building blocks of brutality and speed that lead to extreme metal/ thrash/ black/ grindcore/ death metal.
@@domr3753 what's cool too is you still can find the D-beat drum pattern in all those genres today
Yes, but only after Bodies by the Sex Pistols
You can't mention the origins of crust punk without meaning AMEBIX. I'm not knockin your video though, this was awesome!
Yeah I’ll definitely talk about them when I do a video on the overall genre
U gotta du it
Yeah, same thought. I never listened to discharge but the first Amebix album is the killer.
Yeah I second that Amebix is the true godfathers of crust
The godfathers of crust are Hellbastard,hence the “Ripper Crust” demo that coined the term and was a foundation for the sound to come. Discharge are the godfathers of D-beat.
D-beat is such a good genre
Anarchist lyrics, shouted vocals, literally 1 drum beat and pretty much 1 type of riff... also song lengths that rarely surpass 2 minutes
Does it get any more quintessentially punk than that?
D beat and eastern Europe HC is so sick svart framtid kill
I get what you're saying, but I don't think "quintessential" and "punk" go together well. That fits better with skinny tie or new wave scene. Discharge lyrics were more specifically anti-war than they were anarchistic. The uploader mistook d-beat hardcore punk for crust punk, which was more about anarchy, but there was plenty of crossover at the time.
@@doctorfeelfunny584 There's always that one guy who nitpicks everything, isn't there? lmao
Yes, obviously I know most of their lyrics were anti-war activism without explicit references to anarchism. They have more than enough explicitly anarchistic songs though to say "anarchism" is a part of what we know as Discharge (also supported by their continued use of the circle A)
Also, I was referring to the genre D-beat as a whole, which *very* often has explicitly anarchist lyrics and band members
@@Sergio-nb4hj So we're in agreement that there's definitely a lot of crossover (pun intended) in hardcore genres. It hadn't previously been obvious to me that you know Discharge (originators of D-Beat, hence the "D") are, first and foremost, an anti-war band. But now I know.
I'd assumed you were primarily thinking of Discharge when you made the comment, but that's only because it appeared on this video.
We're now on the same page.
Ironically D-beat bands are way better than discharge themselves
No other band had such an influence on my ear for punk like Discharge. When I really started playing around late 82 all I wanted was to play hard and fast like Discharge. I saw Discharge several times in the 80s and with the exception of the "Grave World" era gig, we Final Conflict played with them, they were fucking awesome. Lyrics, guitar and bass tone and the drums............I'm still a huge fan today. The lyrics are still scarily relevant today in 2022. "Discharge 2000" is a fucking scorcher. Your little screen flash of FInal Conflict gave me chills. After all these years it so cool to see.
The current line up of Discharge is brilliant, I go to see them every chance I get.
I saw them in Carlisle in January.
@@barnabyhoofer8044 I saw them again last thrursday, they were amazing
Slayer cites them as an influence. That’s a badge of honor in my book. They may have been metal, but slayer kept the punk attitude of not giving a fuck longer than most punk bands. The Discharge influence on hardcore is undeniable in my opinion. That’s why I don’t even care about the less than good stuff they put out. They made a serious contribution to a lot of different, but fast/heavy music.
Discharge>Slayer. Slayer should be honored to be influenced by the grand daddy's of it all, Discharge.
Lombardo was very vocal in early days about being influenced by DRI too. theres a couple of live vids from 84-85 and hes wearing a DRI t shirt onstage
Slayer had a racist thing going that didn't fit with Discharge, but a lot of American bands wrongly assumed punk in the UK was all racist skinheads (which WAS a problem, but most of the actual bands were openly opposed to white supremacy).
@@doctorfeelfunny584 Slayer racist? Araya is Mexican and Lombardo is Cuban lol
@@pogoramone Yes. Did someone tell you there are no Hispanics who are racist towards black people? That person was messing with you. Hispanic/black violence, especially in L.A., is infamously common. Apologies if you were only pretending to be stupid for comedic effect.
love ya work (and that genre- those bands -skitsystem, disrupt, doom, ,totalitär, wolfpack, warvictims) please keep going on. cheers
Thankful i was able to see Discharge back in 1982,1983,1986
I hope you bottled Kisscharge off the stage in 1986.
Good informative video.Lotsa great footage.My favorite Discharge album is of course-Hear/see/say nothing.A wall of sound so crushing and relentless.
Thanks for the upload,Discharge is new to me and so far i keep going back
Once again - so refreshing to see a "Punk Historian" that actually knows his stuff :)
Yeah, the *Fight Back* EP is were it all started for me, as well. And though I cannot confirm it, I also happen to think it is where my favourite crust/d-beat band of all-time *Kōchi City, Japan* legends *Disclose (Forever Rest in Noise, Kawakami)* got there true musical inspiration from, as well. And much like every other *Discharge* fan out there, I also dig the *Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing* LP, as well. But for me, it was not until the release of the bands - *The Nightmare Continues* Live LP that truly sold me (hook, line & sinker) as to just how damn good *(great)* this band truly fuckin’ was.
Yessss nice to see someone who also ranks that live LP high
Love the channel dude, subscribed!!
I have yet to get that far into crust punk in general (only into a couple bands so far), but goddamn I love everything I’ve heard from Discharge. Killer band, and this video was really interesting! Love hearing the history of bands I never really looked that far into, keep it up. And congrats on 1k!
Cheers! Yeah I have a video planned about crust punk. gonna start work on it pretty soon!
@@thepunkhistorian6397 Hell yeah, looking forwards to it!
Great video man! As a punk rock freak I'm following everything you post. Keep it up bro. Cheers.
How delightful as I'm currently getting more into crust. Also: Finland mentioned, I'll meet y'all at the market place
I still have all my discharge vinyls still play them too .. crass and subhumans too I miss the ancho punk scene in the UK 😐 ..... The crass vinyls have great anarchism posters and leaflets
Love the content! Subbed
The black and white gig footage is from a gig at Stoke Victoria Hall in March 1983. GBH and English Dogs supported. I was there. Great nite.
Another great video!
Been a Discharge fan since '82. Big influence on my stuff too(have lots of my various bands clips on my channel). I also liked Grave New World a lot, though it was different. Canadian punk band Decade play in that style.
Italian band Reclose too.
Congrats on 1k subscribers my guy!
Thanks!! I’m about to do a few 1000 subs celebration videos in the next couple weeks lol
@@thepunkhistorian6397 looking forward to it!
I would say Never Again. Excellent job!
Nice call out with Disgust! 🔥🔥🤘
favorite band overall besides Discharge would be English Dogs likely
Fucking love the English Dogs
My favorite band and broken bones as well.
Saw English Dogs support Discharge a few times on tour in March 83, plus many more times later on with many different line ups.
Dystopia was the band that sent me on my way
Men! Tu playera está genial! "Doomed from the start" y "Greatest invention" son los mejores trabajos de DooM. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
being born in 1976, got into the early US 80's hardcore by my older brother and sister who "grew up" and gave me all their old music around 1985. Bands like, Black Flags Nervous Breakdown 7" a handful of Dead Kennedy's LP's and an EP along with UK Anarcho punk/D-beat punk stuff like Crass, Subhumans, GBH(which I didn't like) and a slew of other American and UK/European punk rock.
Around 89-91, we moved and where I ended up was a very, very small town so I was the only kid that listened to this music.
Luckily, and by accident I found and was able to tune into a college radio show every Wednesday from 11pm til 3am coming from East Lansing MI, about 45-50 miles from where I lived that had a 2 hour punk show followed by a syndicated MRR Radio for another 2 hours, that was amazing and I found MANY new bands, something I was unable to do because of where I lived, tho I would write to labels and get catalogs etc
Around this time, courtesy from the DJ, he gave me the address to a few other records lables Tribal War Records, Profane was a much needed lifeline as was MRR at the time, got into tape trading from them when MRR still covered a lot of crust to as did the radio show, depending who DJ'd anyway, but now I am getting off topic..
Profane, God what a lifeline. It used to come in newspaper form before they switched to how MRR did theirs. Around 16 I left home
and got connected to a small punk scene that grew as we all got older and hooked up with other kids from surrounding cities, going to each others shows etc.
Between 94-2005 was such an awesome time for me, I was able to see a lot of bands that where just amazing. Dystopia, Aus Rotten, Los Crudos (their first time around) Anti-Product, Disassociate, Mankind, Submission Hold, Vivisick, Exclaimed, Drop Dead...
I could go on and on. The only down side is that some of these shows I cannot even remember half of them because of old age and my heavy drinking at the shows. Dystopia tho is one that I completely remember as it is easily one of my top 5 live punk shows I've seen. I saw Johnny Cash when I was around 19 when he played at "Michigan Fest" in East Lansing and I do not even remember what he said, looked like or songs he did, which sucks TBH.
Do you remember what songs Dystopia played when you saw them? I’d imagine they probably played a lot from Human=garbage? You’re really lucky to have seen them.. They were such a great band
@@yaboyreege7158 They opened with Stress builds character which is forever seared into my brain because not only was this the first time I've seen them, I was also surprised that they played ALL the samples from songs that had them.
But yeah it was the "Human" era cuz they had the EP version on vinyl while the CD had extra tracks on their merch table.
Edit: I can't really recall EVERY song they played but the ones that stick out where Stress, Hands that Mold, Self defeating, Backstabber
@@JaymeSplendid thanks for the response! You are very lucky to have witnessed that set! It’s great that you remember. It sounds like they played all of their best songs at that show. I’ve been listening to Dystopia for a long time but never got a chance to see them live. It still blows my mind that they were a three piece, given the intensity of the music and knowing that all the vocals were put out while also playing their instruments. Dino had one of the most intense and easily recognizable voices in any punk/metal music that I’ve ever heard. To know he did that while also playing drums is just mind blowing. Thanks for all the info! I love talking old punk/crust/sludge bands!
@@JaymeSplendid Human=Garbage is an important album to me because I was listening to it a ton when I was detoxing off of opiates at a point in my life where I was just out of touch with reality and in a dark place. That album was the only thing that I could relate to during those months of being physically and mentally tortured
G.B.H ARE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM CRASS G.B.H ARE HARDCORE PUNK SUBHUMANS ARE BRILLIANT BUT G.B.H ARE THE NUMBER ONE OUT OF THESE THREE BANDS PROVIDING YOU LIKE HARDCORE PUNK
Legends … can’t wait to see them live for the first time @Bournemouth (UK) in October!!! As a thrash/death/brutal metal head, Hear Nothing, See Nothing has been one of the most influential album ever!!! Metallica, Slayer, Sepultura, Obituary, Machine Head, Napalm Death, Hatebreed, Agnostic Front and many more were strongly influenced by Discharge !!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Aint no feeble bastard or no fucking scapegoat. The lyrics that have stood with me all my life. Favourite song along with Decontrol and the Why? ep.
A blinding light, winds and firestorms agonized crying
Never never never again
Unanswered cries of help, panic and desperation
Never never never again
Dazed and stricken survivors search for lost families
Never never never again
Choking dust, crazy with thirst, drinking from poisoned pools and streams
Never never never again
Saw them live around 30 times in the early 1980's, just brilliant. Realities of War was ground breaking at the time, never heard anything like it at the time so I was on board. From Warning onwards they sucked though.
Yeah mate, their early stuff was great. I dunno why he keeps thinking punk bands were influenced by metal tho? Last thing ld wanna be was a banger ffs.
Discharge, Blitz even Sparrer went a bit dopey.
You think everything sucked? Even their S/T?
You don't even like the song Warning?
@@APAL880 The last time I saw them live was at the 100 club, London 27th October 1983 (yesterday, 39 years ago). Think it was maybe just the vocals I could never get into.
HEAR NOTHING,SEE NOTHING,SAY NOTHING is a crucial album in my developement as a punk/hardcore maniac, i listened to that shit all the time, they were crude, fast and direct, and they looked great! I wanted to die when i heard GRAVE NEW WORLD! What was Cal thinking when he switched to metal vocals? His performance on Hear nothing... was legendary! One of the best HC vocals ever
Sometimes I can't believe how effin great that Fight Back EP is.
Love this band and if I’m still alive I have tickets to see them in February. I say this as I was told today by my cancer dr today that I might not see Xmas. But I hope to prove them wrong
Realities of War EP is unstoppable. Some of the greatest punk music every recorded
Love Discharge also Varukers, One Way System great bands
Seeing Discharge wit Varukers this weekend. Really curious and excited how it will be.
Lovely guys.
The bassist borrowed some of my gear at Punk Rock Bowling.
Killer wrap sir
Bones also went on to play with San Diego's Battalion of Saints in the 90s. Great stuff.
Discharge fan since 81.
Love Discharge. Was exposed to them around '84 but didn't really get into them until after '90. Sepultura was heavily influenced by them as well. The Never Again compilation is my favorite. The more I see, the less I believe!
I used to have a patch of that doom shirt. I subbed over it
Opened for them in LA at florentine gardens in 1982
Discharge was my gateway band. fuckin' love 'em, makes me wanna start a d-beat band.🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿🤘🏿
Can you do a mini doc about Minor Threat and straight edge music?
Eventually yes!
Dude, can we get a rundown on His Hero is Gone? After Discharge, they are, in my estimation, THE most influential band in the crust genre bar none, and THE most influential crust band that was actually a crust band (unlike Discharge) of all time. They set the stage for melodic crust and neocrust, paved the way for the melodic downtempo work of bands like Fall of Efrafa, made genre crossover desirable within the crust scene due to their own crust/sludge/d-beat/grind/metal/hardcore/punk polyphony, and made lasting marks on pretty much every other heavy genre as well. The fact that the final album from Swedish melodic crusties Acursed thanked only two bands in the liner notes, "Discharge and His Hero is Gone," sums up my point concisely. As far as I'm concerned, melodic crust (later dubbed neocrust) became a thing because of HHIG. When people ask me, "What's crust?" I play Like Weeds. Not because it's my favorite song. But because it's the best representation of the genre I can think of.
Disrespect was a great MPLS super-dbeat-group and of course gotta show love to Disclose. RIP Kawakami 🙏
Tupa TuTupa🥁
Good video!
Thanks man! Love your drum vids!
@@thepunkhistorian6397 Awesome, thanks!
Awesome
Proud to say I'm cool with their current vocalist 'JJ'...his band here (Dead Heroes-NJ) were a favorite of mine and I'd catch em every chance I got. Find it damn ironic that an old friend never liked his vox in D.H., yet he loved Discharge...who JJ now fronts. Too funny.
Unsure if anyone has clocked this mistake BUT the drummer on WHY? is Dave Ellesmere (also of The Insane, Flux of Pink Indians, Dr and Crippens, Blitzkreig, Disgust and later a producer of dance music). It is is his style of drums that takes the inept "can't play my ride cymbal and not do the bass drum at the same time" and gives it serious WOLLOP - presumably because he was actually a by defnition "good drummer", which is not to say bad drummers aren't great... they are. Point being is that UK "hardcore" drums sound tremendously slow un until a certain point when they became the fastest and tighets by the mid/late 80's. Dave had power rare for the thyme.
Yep. Though isn't the 'inept' drumming, the origin of D-Beat, and Bambi just made it sound better? Haha! Anyway, 'Why' is my favourite Discharge record.
As it happens I read an interview with him recently and he was himself at this time a novice. I love inept drumming. Namaste.@@sim3otto
Definitely! Just awkwardly played sped-up versions of Buzzcocks' You Tear Me Up. Haha!@@sirsirdrone
Hear nothing... Album is easily in my top five all time favs. Made me who I am.
Nice work on the video.
Hell ya
Going to a Discharge gig tonight
Tez spent the 90s in San Diego with Battalion of Saints (check out their “cuts”) record. Specifically “I Don’t Like You” killer stuff… if ya know, ya know
Back to back lp playlist. Grave New World then Celtic Frost's Cold Lake.
Discharge is amazing
Wolfbrigade from sweden absolutely rips, straight up d-beat
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I read, and Kurt Cobain’s biography that his favorite Bad Brains album was rock for light. Learning that it was produced by Rick Ocasek makes so much sense
Played with them once, they nicked our cymbal stand!
i saw them way back on thier 6th gig in leicester england we just called it hardcore thats 6th gig with call , they were great and its what we needed at the time this term crust i dont get it really
Anybody was able to keep up with the member switch? Asking for a friend.
Best Discharge track, in my opinion, Religion Instigates
I prefer pre-Hear Nothing as there was more of a prominent D-beat sound. Fight Back & WHY are my personal faves.
I thought that too at first, but Why actually has more songs that feature the beat prominently (only 2 don't) and multiple of those songs don't even have fills for the most part, so they're literally carried by the power of the basic d-beat
Deveria ter legendas em português. Fiquei só na curiosidade do q era falado no vídeo.
I always thought that Hellbastard and Amebix were the genitors of crust/stenchcore.
you are way too good at making these videos.
Great video, cheers. How about a GBH vid?
Hell yeah that would be gnarly
I had one Discharge album called WHY? It had some hardcore artwork, dead bodies etc, it shocked me but I loved the sound of the album, around that time I tried subhumans too, I was in a punk ska crust band at the time....Self inflicted!!!!! Still got a tattoo lol🤣
Never been a big fan of theirs, but you can't negate their influence on punk and thrash. The guys in Anthrax and James Hetfield from Metallica cite them and influences on their early sound.
Discharge are going as strong as ever today.
I wish you could do a Turbonegro Deathpunk video someday, but not sureif you like them.
Why/ Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing = The building blocks of brutality and speed that lead to extreme metal/ thrash/ black/ grindcore/ death metal.
Dude just today I found your channel! You have a new Mexican follower!
Also I'd like to ask you to talk about Amebix and Doom (those two are my favorite crust punk bands) lml
Also it would be cool to see a video about crust punk lml
Keep it up!
Yes siege is a D-beat band. I been next to Rob when he's playing 10s of times. He is not really a blast beat most of the time but a fast D-beat that's locked up. You can hear the slight lag in the kick drum which gives them such a unique rhythm vs other fastcore bands from my home town
i never see anything about siege, such an underrated band.
You mean SIEGE who released DROPDEAD arguably proto grind but essentially just really fast hc punk but not really d-beat per se
Waay off the mark there pal
nice
my mate took his album grave new world back to the record shop he thought they had given him the wrong disc inside the cover waheyyy true dat
I had that shirt as a hoodie
Fuck yea
Why? was recorded with Dave Ellesmere on drums, not Gary Moloney
D-beeeeeeeeeaaattt
It's weird to me , I was born in stoke on trent , a pretty deprived area , I saw discharge loads, as a young kid, then I moved away from the area, I thought nothing of it , it was just great music, now I'm in my late 50s, it's cool to look back and think I was in a way there seeing a band that was so pivotal in music , and influenced so many bands.although they were terrible when they left hard-core for a spell.
Don’t forget Anti-cimex
Dave ellesmere drummed on why not Garry
I was that kid, that saved up his money mowing lawns, to buy his first Discharge record.
That first record was "Grave New World."
Disappointment was an understatement. This album tainted my opinion of this band forever.
I bought it when I was 15 and wasn't into it...years later I wished I didn't sell that one
I prefer their early stuff to the metal sound. Not that I dislike metal.
I saw them unveiling their new Hair metal sound when they first came back from the USA and apart from the 'heartbroken ex-' attitude that was vented via the venues internal decor, the really funny bit was the tube ride home with a train full of heart broken punks who were all behaving like love had just been stolen for eternity, Discharges new soft metal sound was really bad and they didn't play a single non-hair song, the gig ended early.
Yeah, a bad night all in all with a few surreal, funny moments. lol.
As a long time Discharge fan, when I first heard 'Grave New World', I hated it and dismissed it as bandwagon jumping, lazy Hair Metal shit.
Then a while later, I gave it another chance and realised that I was right the first time.
But having said that, nothing can take away the crushing brutality and sheer influence of early Discharge. Kudos!
hell yeah dogg! Love yr history lessons. I've given u a couple cheeky shoutouts on my channel ;) I forget in which videos tho. lol
Thanks!! If you ever remember which ones I’d love to see hahaha
Their thematics are current than ever.
Fuckin love DISCHARGE
What happened to Kalvin Morris?
Supported Doom the first time my band played live... was unreal. Such a crazy night.
That’s a hell of a first gig
@@thepunkhistorian6397 One of my favourite bands and I just meet them like that, love how casual they were. Awesome down to earth guys. By the way would you make a Powerviolence video? Just subbed
Long live Discharge
G. B. H. "The Clay years" records best iv ever heard, darkly melodic, never heard much like it. Wasn't just noisy.
You talk like we took speed decades ago! Slow down its worth taking the time to reflect on that band. I met Rocky from Wrathchild shortly after he replaced Cap on vocals at a Wrathchild show in Brum. He was buzzing about Discharge and raging about my Iggy and the Stooges paint job on my leather jacket. I winced with embarrassment about how crowd pleasing he was, nevertheless I am told that there are recordings of Rockies Discharge c/o Mr Wainright. One day we may have the misfortune of hearing that... Incidentally I was at a Discharge show in Hammersmith, Varukers supported and believe me They blew Discharge off the stage, who were outstandingly appalling and disrespectful to their long suffering fans. I raise my hat to Tony (Rat) for being the inevitable successor of the shadow that Cal became.
Your stuff is good dude. I'd say slow down on your delivery a little.